Landlord Legacy Listing - Day Six (6)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think we don't have the slightest idea of how or why the extra vote mechanic happened or occurs since there were also random fuck off votes on wagons that weren't going over no matter what. so explain that part to me and maybe we can get somewhere without jumping to ginormous conclusions about how the mechanic works

I think there is a penalty on not voting and I think scum can abuse that penalty tbh.

This feels like a logical leap when vote manip ability is just like more likely

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like just a standard vote manip having nothing to do with non voters

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I just realized the person I mainly signed up to play with is no longer playing.

Or I had a fever dream and thought she signed up but she didn't

Who knows

Low key, kinda same and if she's town I'm gonna regret that horribly.

But legit wasn't sure.

I signed up to play with Rem.

I go cry now

Oh wait you're talking about Rem.

I was talking about Porscha.

Ye I thought there was something lost in translation there

I meant like the person I signed up to play with is literally just not playing at all and I only now or well rather than realized it

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

am I being gaslit for real right now? if the mechanic *were* to work as boq explains it, the wolves say to themselves "oh we want scotty over. and then porscha also looks bad. win win." and that's that. like are - we ???? i'm stuttering

Hmmm Porscha might actually be town lol. This just feels like well A. How I feel generally speaking why put your teammate in this spot here day 1 seems much more likely to be a frame

B. This post just feels towny tonally in its frustration

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Okay guys here's a fun deal I'm running with.

Since Scooter is dead I'm just going to consider him mafia, and that Lily is spewed town because of him trying to shade her for having no progression when she just started playing the game.

So Lily town and I won't be voting her this game.

Brilliant I'm gonna blindly follow this idea

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

porscha does seem wolfy here and the mech at eod seems bad for her but i dunno

???????????????? how do I seem wolfy?????????????

you seem very like "im town trust me bro im doing the things i do when im town" which I don't rly agree with?

but at the same time i think as a wolf you'd be more self aware of how you're coming off which is why idk

okay? what part do you disagree with? do you think I am not confident? do you think I haven't made reads? do you think i'm afraid of confrontation? I think that's all I listed. so feel free to point out where you aren't seeing that.

i don't rly see u as not afraid of confrontation or specifically confident

Porscha may not be afraid of confrontation.

But I am.

Please help me.

Hot

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

you seem very like "im town trust me bro im doing the things i do when im town" which I don't rly agree with?

but at the same time i think as a wolf you'd be more self aware of how you're coming off which is why idk

okay? what part do you disagree with? do you think I am not confident? do you think I haven't made reads? do you think i'm afraid of confrontation? I think that's all I listed. so feel free to point out where you aren't seeing that.

i don't rly see u as not afraid of confrontation or specifically confident

Porscha may not be afraid of confrontation.

But I am.

Please help me.

do you want me to confront you brad

I would love that.

Brad, you are being a very bad boy. We both know that you are wasting posts and clogging the thread with nonsense and emojis because you are choosing to act out for attention. That is not how good boys act. I will ask politely the first time: Please correct your behavior. Be the good boy I know you can be. <3

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

we should just kill robyn because robyn is either

a) a wolf

or

b) a villager that would be hilarious to kill

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.

I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Someone post so I can make 3 more posts

[WindwardAway]

Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.

I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting

You think all three top wagons were town, yeah?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.

I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting

You think all three top wagons were town, yeah?

No I voted Scotty

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm not confident in that anymore but I voted him cause I thought he was woofin

[robyn]

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

i would strongly prefer nook to die over scotty for sake of content

also nook, given your content what do you think about lily’s tr on you?

i would strongly prefer nook to die over scotty for sake of content

also nook, given your content what do you think about lily’s tr on you?

Idk if she trs me or not but atp it's entirely reasonable if she does imo

what have you done for someone to get a town gutread on you

Either Nook or Porscha to me I don't feel like voting Scotty.

go porscha imo

(this is my implicit response to u nook)

this shit makes 0 sense if robyn is town

like

idk

in a setup where ur vote is final how can u possibly vote nook then ask nook probing questions to discern alignment? it just seems entirely fake

and the last post is just awful lol

gives me the vibe of a wolf who is going through the motions

what the fuck are you even saying

in a setup where porscha and nook are still viable why wouldn't i ask nook probing questions

also the last post isn't bad, AND ALL YOUR POSTS CONTINUE TO SUCK

[robyn]

Oh yeah, wolf!Robyn would definitely want Scotty to die over Nook based on that
Yikes

what the fuck have you even read the game? i literally pushed nook and got every vote on him so that scotty doesn't die??????

[robyn]

@robyn you said in the midst of Porscha talking with me that she is town. What made you come to that conclusion?

read her posts, she was combative and wasn't limp, helps that lily is fucking bonkers this game and wwa is being an opportunistic vulture with 0 understanding of what has happened and randomly agreed with lily when she literally should not have, who has previously townread me before

[WindwardAway]

Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.

I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting

You think all three top wagons were town, yeah?

No I voted Scotty

Yeah but Scotty died despite not even being the top wagon
I'm talking about now, post-Scotty-death. If he were scum then why tf would he die?

[WindwardAway]

Oh yeah, wolf!Robyn would definitely want Scotty to die over Nook based on that
Yikes

what the fuck have you even read the game? i literally pushed nook and got every vote on him so that scotty doesn't die??????

Yeah, that's exactly my point, as a wolf you'd know someone on your team could manipulate votes so that you could look like you were trying to save Scotty when he was doomed anyway. I've been reading the game, go be rude to someone else.

[WindwardAway]

Oh yeah, wolf!Robyn would definitely want Scotty to die over Nook based on that
Yikes

what the fuck have you even read the game? i literally pushed nook and got every vote on him so that scotty doesn't die??????

Yeah, that's exactly my point, as a wolf you'd know someone on your team could manipulate votes so that you could look like you were trying to save Scotty when he was doomed anyway. I've been reading the game, go be rude to someone else.

Actually maybe I should reword this. I'm not saying that it makes you a wolf. I'm saying that if you ARE a wolf, you're well aware that town!Scotty is more of an asset to town than town!Nook because of their activity levels and contributions.

[WindwardAway]

@robyn you said in the midst of Porscha talking with me that she is town. What made you come to that conclusion?

read her posts, she was combative and wasn't limp, helps that lily is fucking bonkers this game and wwa is being an opportunistic vulture with 0 understanding of what has happened and randomly agreed with lily when she literally should not have, who has previously townread me before

Then stop whining about it and give me reasons to hold onto my earlier townread on you. Why shouldn't I agree with lily? Give me actual reasons, don't just gripe about being scumread.

[robyn]

Oh yeah, wolf!Robyn would definitely want Scotty to die over Nook based on that
Yikes

what the fuck have you even read the game? i literally pushed nook and got every vote on him so that scotty doesn't die??????

Yeah, that's exactly my point, as a wolf you'd know someone on your team could manipulate votes so that you could look like you were trying to save Scotty when he was doomed anyway. I've been reading the game, go be rude to someone else.

Actually maybe I should reword this. I'm not saying that it makes you a wolf. I'm saying that if you ARE a wolf, you're well aware that town!Scotty is more of an asset to town than town!Nook because of their activity levels and contributions.

now see if what i've said d1 was fake or not, choose a side and read my posts closely. i hate that you've been doing nothing but pushing dichotomies between me and lily and me and porscha. it's pinging me like mad and is gross

[WindwardAway]

Oh yeah, wolf!Robyn would definitely want Scotty to die over Nook based on that
Yikes

what the fuck have you even read the game? i literally pushed nook and got every vote on him so that scotty doesn't die??????

Yeah, that's exactly my point, as a wolf you'd know someone on your team could manipulate votes so that you could look like you were trying to save Scotty when he was doomed anyway. I've been reading the game, go be rude to someone else.

Actually maybe I should reword this. I'm not saying that it makes you a wolf. I'm saying that if you ARE a wolf, you're well aware that town!Scotty is more of an asset to town than town!Nook because of their activity levels and contributions.

now see if what i've said d1 was fake or not, choose a side and read my posts closely. i hate that you've been doing nothing but pushing dichotomies between me and lily and me and porscha. it's pinging me like mad and is gross

Because I am DEAD CONVINCED that there is a wolf in the three of you, and actually in the four of you including boquise (I just think he's most likely town and haven't seen a reason to reevaluate).

If you think it's gross then tell me why I should believe that all four of you are town and the wolves are elsewhere.

[WindwardAway]

Basically it's gone like:
Boq and Porscha think each other is scum.
Lily has been pointing fingers at Porscha and then Robyn.
Robyn has been pointing fingers at Porscha and lily.

And you're going to tell me you're all town just being bad at reads???

[WindwardAway]

Don't be ridiculous

[WindwardAway]

You can't actually say it's bad that I'm pushing a dichotomy that there's scum in you four, but think that one of you is scum anyway. That doesn't add up. Either you think I'm wrong and you're all town, or you agree with me.

[robyn]

i know you agreed with lily on me, i know that it was for bad reasons because lily is not playing well, being convinced that there is a wolf in us three helps the shotty and opportunistic reads fmpov. i know that porscha has towntold and i have no reasons to suspect boq. that leaves me and lily. i do not suspect lily explicitly but what and how she's playing the game is not good. i don't need much to know that every post of hers has been backwards. i do know that porscha has towntold, that lily has a good porscha read normally (which i have said in my original porscha read) so lily getting porscha wrong is pinging me. lily getting me wrong is pinging me. but i don't want myself or lily to die right now because holy fuck that's terrible. you still look extremely fucking opportunistic to me and "DEAD CONVINCED" based off that logic and not gut is bad. can you explain reasons to tr me and to sr me, cause i don't know what your independent read on me is?

[WindwardAway]

i know you agreed with lily on me, i know that it was for bad reasons because lily is not playing well, being convinced that there is a wolf in us three helps the shotty and opportunistic reads fmpov. i know that porscha has towntold and i have no reasons to suspect boq. that leaves me and lily. i do not suspect lily explicitly but what and how she's playing the game is not good. i don't need much to know that every post of hers has been backwards. i do know that porscha has towntold, that lily has a good porscha read normally (which i have said in my original porscha read) so lily getting porscha wrong is pinging me. lily getting me wrong is pinging me. but i don't want myself or lily to die right now because holy fuck that's terrible. you still look extremely fucking opportunistic to me and "DEAD CONVINCED" based off that logic and not gut is bad. can you explain reasons to tr me and to sr me, cause i don't know what your independent read on me is?

Ok, I think I get what you're saying now, thanks for explaining. My independent reasons for TRing or SRing you are that I thought your posts during N0 were decent but wasn't ready to lock in a townread at that point. During D1 I thought your posts improved and you felt like you were genuine in some of your reads (I don't remember which posts they were exactly but that's the impression I got). I still haven't read like 2 pages of D1 but I'll get to it after work probably.

For scumcasing, I actually thought people saying they thought you were wolfy on D1 were being opportunistic because I remember seeing you get easily wolfread even when you were town before, but I don't remember who other than lily seemed to think you were wolfing. I haven't had much of a strong opinion on lily but that one post she made where she quoted your posts kind of brought them to my attention again. I was not actively scumreading you earlier, as I said, but I did very openly say that I was considering reevaluating my read on you before I decided to agree with lily, the reason behind it being that I didn't like the way you were pushing on lily and porscha for a while there. Not because I disagreed (I did agree on the porscha take at that point at least, before she continued the debacle with boquise), but because of the way you were insistently and consistently pushing that they were scum and it didn't feel like you were adding to the discussion so much as fanning the flames in the background of the boq vs porscha thing.

[Boquise]

I think we don't have the slightest idea of how or why the extra vote mechanic happened or occurs since there were also random fuck off votes on wagons that weren't going over no matter what. so explain that part to me and maybe we can get somewhere without jumping to ginormous conclusions about how the mechanic works

I think there is a penalty on not voting and I think scum can abuse that penalty tbh.

This feels like a logical leap when vote manip ability is just like more likely

Explain why certain singular votes ended up on singular people tbh

[Boquise]

@robyn you said in the midst of Porscha talking with me that she is town. What made you come to that conclusion?

read her posts, she was combative and wasn't limp, helps that lily is fucking bonkers this game and wwa is being an opportunistic vulture with 0 understanding of what has happened and randomly agreed with lily when she literally should not have, who has previously townread me before

"read her posts" I have done that already, which you know.
I think you are putting way too much stock in "combative", as if scum cannot be that tbh.

[robyn]

i know you agreed with lily on me, i know that it was for bad reasons because lily is not playing well, being convinced that there is a wolf in us three helps the shotty and opportunistic reads fmpov. i know that porscha has towntold and i have no reasons to suspect boq. that leaves me and lily. i do not suspect lily explicitly but what and how she's playing the game is not good. i don't need much to know that every post of hers has been backwards. i do know that porscha has towntold, that lily has a good porscha read normally (which i have said in my original porscha read) so lily getting porscha wrong is pinging me. lily getting me wrong is pinging me. but i don't want myself or lily to die right now because holy fuck that's terrible. you still look extremely fucking opportunistic to me and "DEAD CONVINCED" based off that logic and not gut is bad. can you explain reasons to tr me and to sr me, cause i don't know what your independent read on me is?

Ok, I think I get what you're saying now, thanks for explaining. My independent reasons for TRing or SRing you are that I thought your posts during N0 were decent but wasn't ready to lock in a townread at that point. During D1 I thought your posts improved and you felt like you were genuine in some of your reads (I don't remember which posts they were exactly but that's the impression I got). I still haven't read like 2 pages of D1 but I'll get to it after work probably.

For scumcasing, I actually thought people saying they thought you were wolfy on D1 were being opportunistic because I remember seeing you get easily wolfread even when you were town before, but I don't remember who other than lily seemed to think you were wolfing. I haven't had much of a strong opinion on lily but that one post she made where she quoted your posts kind of brought them to my attention again. I was not actively scumreading you earlier, as I said, but I did very openly say that I was considering reevaluating my read on you before I decided to agree with lily, the reason behind it being that I didn't like the way you were pushing on lily and porscha for a while there. Not because I disagreed (I did agree on the porscha take at that point at least, before she continued the debacle with boquise), but because of the way you were insistently and consistently pushing that they were scum and it didn't feel like you were adding to the discussion so much as fanning the flames in the background of the boq vs porscha thing.

i am convinced that if you iso thoroughly me you'll either death tunnel me or find me town (you aren't the death tunneling type)

so do that.

i have to go to work for the next 4ish hours

your read on me is too memory based and other stuff that isn't intimacy with my actual posts

i believe i've done enough for you to get a read on me even if you ignore my valiant attempt at saving scotty

[robyn]

@robyn you said in the midst of Porscha talking with me that she is town. What made you come to that conclusion?

read her posts, she was combative and wasn't limp, helps that lily is fucking bonkers this game and wwa is being an opportunistic vulture with 0 understanding of what has happened and randomly agreed with lily when she literally should not have, who has previously townread me before

"read her posts" I have done that already, which you know.
I think you are putting way too much stock in "combative", as if scum cannot be that tbh.

scum can be, mac taught me how to read polarized porscha

[robyn]

(i’d have responded with a lot more thoughts to ur last post wwa but i have to leave unfortunately, cause i see a few things i can dissect)

[WindwardAway]

i know you agreed with lily on me, i know that it was for bad reasons because lily is not playing well, being convinced that there is a wolf in us three helps the shotty and opportunistic reads fmpov. i know that porscha has towntold and i have no reasons to suspect boq. that leaves me and lily. i do not suspect lily explicitly but what and how she's playing the game is not good. i don't need much to know that every post of hers has been backwards. i do know that porscha has towntold, that lily has a good porscha read normally (which i have said in my original porscha read) so lily getting porscha wrong is pinging me. lily getting me wrong is pinging me. but i don't want myself or lily to die right now because holy fuck that's terrible. you still look extremely fucking opportunistic to me and "DEAD CONVINCED" based off that logic and not gut is bad. can you explain reasons to tr me and to sr me, cause i don't know what your independent read on me is?

Ok, I think I get what you're saying now, thanks for explaining. My independent reasons for TRing or SRing you are that I thought your posts during N0 were decent but wasn't ready to lock in a townread at that point. During D1 I thought your posts improved and you felt like you were genuine in some of your reads (I don't remember which posts they were exactly but that's the impression I got). I still haven't read like 2 pages of D1 but I'll get to it after work probably.

For scumcasing, I actually thought people saying they thought you were wolfy on D1 were being opportunistic because I remember seeing you get easily wolfread even when you were town before, but I don't remember who other than lily seemed to think you were wolfing. I haven't had much of a strong opinion on lily but that one post she made where she quoted your posts kind of brought them to my attention again. I was not actively scumreading you earlier, as I said, but I did very openly say that I was considering reevaluating my read on you before I decided to agree with lily, the reason behind it being that I didn't like the way you were pushing on lily and porscha for a while there. Not because I disagreed (I did agree on the porscha take at that point at least, before she continued the debacle with boquise), but because of the way you were insistently and consistently pushing that they were scum and it didn't feel like you were adding to the discussion so much as fanning the flames in the background of the boq vs porscha thing.

i am convinced that if you iso thoroughly me you'll either death tunnel me or find me town (you aren't the death tunneling type)

so do that.

i have to go to work for the next 4ish hours

your read on me is too memory based and other stuff that isn't intimacy with my actual posts

i believe i've done enough for you to get a read on me even if you ignore my valiant attempt at saving scotty

You haven't seen how terrible my death tunnels are tbh, they're rare these days but they're pretty awful xD

But yeah, I'm going to reread your posts for sure, I'm not set on you being scum, I'm just way less certain of my reasons for townreading you earlier so I'd like to reevaluate. But I will do so with full context to make sure I'm not missing things.

[Boquise]

My smol conclusion here (tho havent really read all of page 16) is that:
1. people are way too generous when reading strong emotions. Which is odd, considering we are all veterans here tbh.
2. The language is both intense and strong. It seems like there is a sort of idea that people will stop pushing you if you swear enough at them tbh

I realise that I have a bias here, considering I have played many games were wolves take control of the conversation and narrative by being the loudest in the room and yelling at others. I suggest to the town that is participating in that rhetoric to chill. And I suggest to town who aren't participating yet to be aware so you don't get dragged down into a shouting match tbh. Hostility will not solve the game.

[Boquise]

@robyn you said in the midst of Porscha talking with me that she is town. What made you come to that conclusion?

read her posts, she was combative and wasn't limp, helps that lily is fucking bonkers this game and wwa is being an opportunistic vulture with 0 understanding of what has happened and randomly agreed with lily when she literally should not have, who has previously townread me before

"read her posts" I have done that already, which you know.
I think you are putting way too much stock in "combative", as if scum cannot be that tbh.

scum can be, mac taught me how to read polarized porscha

Tell me how to read polarised Porscha.

[WindwardAway]

(i’d have responded with a lot more thoughts to ur last post wwa but i have to leave unfortunately, cause i see a few things i can dissect)

I'm in a meeting lol, I should also get back to work
But you have my word I'll iso you and also finish backreading for full context after that

[Boquise]

Wait wait wait, so... I'm on page 11 but there were more votes on porscha than on scotty? Or so it looks? Is that why boq said porscha is outed? Cause if so, I can totally see that, yeah.

I think svs's vote on lily is a poor excuse but I think it's so abrupt and bad that it's towny

And I'm not sure why scotty said he was trying something and voted me, but I'm not done reading yet. I should actually check what the vote count at EoD was but all I paid attention to was my own lack of vote lol, I gotta get back to work but at least I have a little more context now on what went down.

well I didn't vote scotty so I'm not sure what made up mechanic we are fake applying to scotty's wagon that isn't confirmed that surely must have been all my doing while I wasn't here, yup lmao

This feels rand>wolfy

Uh... why?

Already explained.

[Boquise]

wwa's posts and general vibe have been incredibly towny, handling of porscha is S+

boq seems towny but boq can post like this as town and is most likely incorrect in his sus on porscha, if he continues wolfsiding prolly kill

"continues wolfsiding" means I am wolfsiding right now. Consider my arms crossed with a big :really: face tbh

i just said i think porscha is town and you're misreading her thus you're "wolfsiding"

my point is that when a good player pushes a town, especially a more lhf-y town that doesn't mean they're a wolf. If it continues throughout the game it's more likely they're a wolf. I don't see what's the problem with this take or why you would have any issues unless you're misreading it

You think that all my posts here regarding this subject is about "pushing Porscha"?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.

I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting

You think all three top wagons were town, yeah?

No I voted Scotty

Yeah but Scotty died despite not even being the top wagon
I'm talking about now, post-Scotty-death. If he were scum then why tf would he die?

Well see I don't buy that the vote manip is inherently wolfy

[WindwardAway]

Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.

I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting

You think all three top wagons were town, yeah?

No I voted Scotty

Yeah but Scotty died despite not even being the top wagon
I'm talking about now, post-Scotty-death. If he were scum then why tf would he die?

Well see I don't buy that the vote manip is inherently wolfy

But would town do it for shits and giggles? Or you mean you think it could be a townie who thought Porscha was towny and Scotty was wolfy?
If the manipulation only affected the top wagons then yeah, I might reconsider that stance, but then why would town want to throw votes on Robyn, Wilgy and me when none of us were top wagons? Or do you think it's possibly a game mechanic that isn't a role?

[WindwardAway]

Scotty's legacy claimed virgin sheriff, right? I've never heard of that role before but I don't really know that scum would make it up, for that matter. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the role description that Scott gave, though, so that's a bit confusing (but not unbelievable).

Anyway, role claim aside, when i was catching up earlier I didn't think Scotty was that scummy. At the point of the last post I made during D1 I didn't have any particularly strong opinion on him, but I had mostly only seen his fluffposts from N0 and he really ramped up activity on D1. I know maybe it's a case of hindsight 20/20 (granted, we still don't have solid confirmation of his alignment) but I can pretty easily believe he was town. Although he did remind the thread to update their legacies, it looked like he expected to survive the day, so whoever nuked him with vote manipulation was definitely not on a scumteam with him.

[DrWilgy]

I mean him/marmot/wilgy are just kind of there

Boqs reads feel eh, but I also understand that like he really hasn't been here long. Highlight is the WWA read but nothing else stook out

Yeah, this is my bad. I thought I had another day and was planning on getting to it now.

[DrWilgy]

Before I get to it, can someone iterate why Scotty went over?

[WindwardAway]

I mean him/marmot/wilgy are just kind of there

Boqs reads feel eh, but I also understand that like he really hasn't been here long. Highlight is the WWA read but nothing else stook out

Yeah, this is my bad. I thought I had another day and was planning on getting to it now.

Same here tbh, but also I didn't think I'd be asleep at the deadline time anyway.

Before I get to it, can someone iterate why Scotty went over?

VC was 3 on Scotty, 4 on Porscha, 3 on Nook, but Scotty flipped with a VC of 3 public votes and 3 hidden votes. We're all assuming vote manipulation, most of us think scum manipulated the vote, but that's not a unanimous opinion. We've spent most of the day so far talking about and with Porscha to determine whether Scotty's death implicates her, but again, mixed opinions.

[Boquise]

Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.

I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting

You think all three top wagons were town, yeah?

No I voted Scotty

Yeah but Scotty died despite not even being the top wagon
I'm talking about now, post-Scotty-death. If he were scum then why tf would he die?

Well see I don't buy that the vote manip is inherently wolfy

I have never seen a vote manip like this be a town role. Manipulating other votes is a scum role.

[DrWilgy]

I mean him/marmot/wilgy are just kind of there

Boqs reads feel eh, but I also understand that like he really hasn't been here long. Highlight is the WWA read but nothing else stook out

Yeah, this is my bad. I thought I had another day and was planning on getting to it now.

Same here tbh, but also I didn't think I'd be asleep at the deadline time anyway.

Before I get to it, can someone iterate why Scotty went over?

VC was 3 on Scotty, 4 on Porscha, 3 on Nook, but Scotty flipped with a VC of 3 public votes and 3 hidden votes. We're all assuming vote manipulation, most of us think scum manipulated the vote, but that's not a unanimous opinion. We've spent most of the day so far talking about and with Porscha to determine whether Scotty's death implicates her, but again, mixed opinions.

Well, immediate thoughts on that in isolation would indicate one of two situations.
1. Wolves were at risk, Porscha and lesser Nook fits this criteria.
2. Wolves were not at risk at all, null and afk slots to be explored in this situation.

Would middling (players at 1-2 votes) pull the trigger on that when it's not needed but may be needed later?

[Lilypetal]

i know you agreed with lily on me, i know that it was for bad reasons because lily is not playing well, being convinced that there is a wolf in us three helps the shotty and opportunistic reads fmpov. i know that porscha has towntold and i have no reasons to suspect boq. that leaves me and lily. i do not suspect lily explicitly but what and how she's playing the game is not good. i don't need much to know that every post of hers has been backwards. i do know that porscha has towntold, that lily has a good porscha read normally (which i have said in my original porscha read) so lily getting porscha wrong is pinging me. lily getting me wrong is pinging me. but i don't want myself or lily to die right now because holy fuck that's terrible. you still look extremely fucking opportunistic to me and "DEAD CONVINCED" based off that logic and not gut is bad. can you explain reasons to tr me and to sr me, cause i don't know what your independent read on me is?

I've been tring porscha

[Boquise]

Anyone who takes up spacing as typing style will receive a free town read from me tbh

[Lime Coke]

Anyone who takes up spacing as typing style will receive a free town read from me tbh

What if spacing is your language would you townread then as well?

[Boquise]

Anyone who takes up spacing as typing style will receive a free town read from me tbh

What if spacing is your language would you townread then as well?

I don't think anyone is an astronaut here so no tbh