Landlord Legacy Listing - Day Six (6)

[WindwardAway]

@EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?

I'll do the legwork for you, I'm town. Bereft is probably town off his N0 posts still, but it's a very memory-based read.

[WindwardAway]

(this is a joke to prove that telling people you're town does not convince them at all that you're town)

[EnderWiggin]

I will stubbornly continue to assume lily is a wolf and I'm kind of past caring whether anyone agrees with me or not.
And I think the way Brad has played is consistent with how he plays when his wolf partner dies. He could fake it for longer because lily didn't flip, sure, but he does run out of steam pretty fast when he wolfs, and that's something I doubt has changed in his meta because I've seen him make a real effort to try to change that, but to no avail.

He doesn't run out of steam as much explicitly when he wolves with a subset of players.

I've had to be careful of games Alexa is in not just because Alexa is a good wolf herself but because Brad on the same team doesn't suffer any of the burnout (Guy carried it to F3 and managed to get me killed when we domed at F3).

But otherwise yes

[EnderWiggin]

(this is a joke to prove that telling people you're town does not convince them at all that you're town)

Omg wwa is town.

[WindwardAway]

I would not care so much about who did or didn't leave a legacy if I were a wolf, I'd just tell scumchat to get their shit together and make up a legacy to fool town. That much should be apparent. Everyone should be writing legacies to benefit their wincons.

[WindwardAway]

I will stubbornly continue to assume lily is a wolf and I'm kind of past caring whether anyone agrees with me or not.
And I think the way Brad has played is consistent with how he plays when his wolf partner dies. He could fake it for longer because lily didn't flip, sure, but he does run out of steam pretty fast when he wolfs, and that's something I doubt has changed in his meta because I've seen him make a real effort to try to change that, but to no avail.

He doesn't run out of steam as much explicitly when he wolves with a subset of players.

I've had to be careful of games Alexa is in not just because Alexa is a good wolf herself but because Brad on the same team doesn't suffer any of the burnout (Guy carried it to F3 and managed to get me killed when we domed at F3).

But otherwise yes

He lasted pretty long in a game where he wolfed with me on a team of 4 or 5, so I know what you mean, but we had a very strong team of all active wolves controlling the thread, with theatrics and no slankers. And Brad ran out of steam as soon as he got pressured with a wagon, then made a pretty ballsy attempt to bounce back, but ultimately I bussed him because he lurked too much.

[WindwardAway]

I would not care so much about who did or didn't leave a legacy if I were a wolf, I'd just tell scumchat to get their shit together and make up a legacy to fool town. That much should be apparent. Everyone should be writing legacies to benefit their wincons.

Fwiw i think this is just a personal problem of mine, that I can't believe people would sign up for a flipless game with legacy in the title where the main mechanic is that you write legacies to "prove" your flip, and then not even do that.

[robyn]

wwa and ender and others

i’d like discussion on svs and boq, i feel like they’re simultaneously both in wolf range and flying ubder the radar enough for alarm bells to go off

[WindwardAway]

wwa and ender and others

i’d like discussion on svs and boq, i feel like they’re simultaneously both in wolf range and flying ubder the radar enough for alarm bells to go off

I think boq is town because I understood his case against Porscha perfectly well on N1, even if I reached a different conclusion.
I'm probably not changing my mind on that read, but if you have evidence to suggest I should rethink it, I'd like to hear it anyway.

Svs I'm open to voting. I definitely think she's gone under the radar. I only had one reason to townread her and it wasn't a hard clear (the lily vote), and she hasn't produced enough content since then for me to feel entirely comfortable continuing to rep a townread on her, so I've rescinded it. I asked yesterday when I was deciding whom to vote, if anyone had thoughts about Svs and I don't remember anyone saying anything, so I went and voted Brad because, again, nobody said anything (except for Abbi who just said she didn't think lurking was scummy for him, which, yeah I know, but it's within his wolf range and so was everything else).

For that matter, I couldve placed my vote on Svs instead of Brad to see how eod went down, too. I just wanted to force a discussion on a slot I thought was going UTR, and it sort of worked!

Back to your question, though. I'd have to go through svs's interactions (and make more assumptions on which wolves, if any, died) and hope I'm on the right track, and while I feel fairly confident in my dead reads, I'm not absolutely certain, which could lead to some massive errors in association reading.

[Bereft]

Would preflip Lime Coke w and JOH, (S)yxxy v easily.

Why do you think Lime Coke is w?

In my past experiences playing with Lime Coke, he has been very aggressive when sussed as v, and yet he had no fire at EoD. It was a complement appeasement show towards Porscha, which, ignoring any supposed meta, is a very bad sign. But the kicker was that Lime Coke had no legacy when he was well-aware that he was going to die, and this is a player who normally tries very hard to defend their townreads, and is often theatrical about it. You saw this with how he was claiming that Porscha was town to dead players. So then it is incongruous that he did not make a legacy proclaiming anything to this effect.

[Bereft]

@EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?

You said I would self-resolve. This is disappointing behavior from you.

[Bereft]

I was operating under the assumption that WWA was just theorizing about the two slankers having died for not voting but it's been confirmed by the OP now.
I would assume that Marmot had saved themselves by voting me randomly N1.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

wwa and ender and others

i’d like discussion on svs and boq, i feel like they’re simultaneously both in wolf range and flying ubder the radar enough for alarm bells to go off

I'm pretty sure boq is town in part because I dont think he has many partners

I'm not sure I've read a single svs post

[robyn]

who would people vote out right now?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?

You said I would self-resolve. This is disappointing behavior from you.

Yeah you self resolving requires me to read your posts which I haven't done yet

Or you posting a lot more which also hasn't happened so

Who's really to blame here

[S~V~S]

wwa and ender and others

i’d like discussion on svs and boq, i feel like they’re simultaneously both in wolf range and flying ubder the radar enough for alarm bells to go off

I'm pretty sure boq is town in part because I dont think he has many partners

I'm not sure I've read a single svs post

There are 48 of them. Not hard to find. 49 now.

who would people vote out right now?

Following up on Capes legacy is important to me. So one of Marmot or Long Con I guess. Personally I think people w/r him due to his tone, which I guess I don’t notice really anymore, and don’t particularly find him bad, so I’ve been leaning Marmot, but with no flips, I could go LC as well I suppose.

Marmot prolly has no legacy, while LC prolly does.

If Marmot doesn’t vote tonight it might be a moot point.

[WindwardAway]

who would people vote out right now?

Myself, so I don't have to keep up with this game

[WindwardAway]

wwa and ender and others

i’d like discussion on svs and boq, i feel like they’re simultaneously both in wolf range and flying ubder the radar enough for alarm bells to go off

I'm pretty sure boq is town in part because I dont think he has many partners

I'm not sure I've read a single svs post

There are 48 of them. Not hard to find. 49 now.

who would people vote out right now?

Following up on Capes legacy is important to me. So one of Marmot or Long Con I guess. Personally I think people w/r him due to his tone, which I guess I don’t notice really anymore, and don’t particularly find him bad, so I’ve been leaning Marmot, but with no flips, I could go LC as well I suppose.

Marmot prolly has no legacy, while LC prolly does.

If Marmot doesn’t vote tonight it might be a moot point.

Why are you so certain cape's legacy is a good lead?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

wwa and ender and others

i’d like discussion on svs and boq, i feel like they’re simultaneously both in wolf range and flying ubder the radar enough for alarm bells to go off

I'm pretty sure boq is town in part because I dont think he has many partners

I'm not sure I've read a single svs post

There are 48 of them. Not hard to find. 49 now.

who would people vote out right now?

Following up on Capes legacy is important to me. So one of Marmot or Long Con I guess. Personally I think people w/r him due to his tone, which I guess I don’t notice really anymore, and don’t particularly find him bad, so I’ve been leaning Marmot, but with no flips, I could go LC as well I suppose.

Marmot prolly has no legacy, while LC prolly does.

If Marmot doesn’t vote tonight it might be a moot point.

Yeah I'm not saying you haven't been posting, just that I haven't read the part of the thread where you have, so I have no opinion on your alignment!

[Bereft]

@EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?

You said I would self-resolve. This is disappointing behavior from you.

Yeah you self resolving requires me to read your posts which I haven't done yet

Or you posting a lot more which also hasn't happened so

Who's really to blame here

Based on your answer, you.

[Porscha]

@EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?

You said I would self-resolve. This is disappointing behavior from you.

Yeah you self resolving requires me to read your posts which I haven't done yet

Or you posting a lot more which also hasn't happened so

Who's really to blame here

Based on your answer, you.

I think that was the joke

[Porscha]

Anyway I am officially on vacation so I'll be here when I'm here

[Porscha]

That being said, I am currently passenger princess feeding the driver french fries

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk doesn't seem like it could possibly be my fault

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyway I am officially on vacation so I'll be here when I'm here

Heck yeah where are you going

[Boquise]

Ok so anyway, I'm not entirely sure whether Brad was town or scum. Again, he didn't leave a legacy, but he did talk in the thread while trying to save himself for a while. Porscha is town for actually trying to solve Brad, I'm not rescinding that.

I got mixed signals from Brad when he was replying to Porscha and I think he could realistically be either alignment, which is unfortunately not such a valid conclusion.

The other two who died didn't place votes, and if you look at the VC, marmot didn't vote either, but a ghost vote landed on him and he didn't die. So I'm thinking it's a game mechanic that punishes people for not voting, with the random chance that if a ghost vote lands on you, you might not die.

Anyway, I don't think that's important, other than pointing out that everyone should place a vote during the day if they don't want to die.

smh and Abigail slandered me for having this thought about the vote manip smh

[Boquise]

Vote Count
Lime Coke - (5) - EnderWiggin, Boquise, WindwardAway, robyn, Bereft
Marmot (3) - DrWilgy, S~V~S, Lime Coke
Long Con (2) - ☆Princess Abigail☆, Porscha
robyn (1) - Long Con
Porscha (1) - +1
Bereft (1) - +1


Invalid - (3) 1+ Marmot, (S)yxxy, Jackofhearts2005, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

This is one of the most confusing VCs I've ever read

I think yesterday's was worse

It's the seemingly random pluses that don't correspond to anything as far as I can tell that are sending me

There were 6 of them on D1
At least there's only 3 now
5 people didn't vote on D1
3 people didn't vote on D2
So it's almost, but not exactly, correlated by the looks of it.

Ok, back to this.

5 votes on Lime Coke, 5 names. Checks out.
3 on marmot, 5 names. Checks out.
2 on Long Con, 2 names. Checks out.
1 on Robyn, 1 name. Checks out.
Now things get weird.
1 vote on Porscha, no name.
1 vote on Bereft, no name.
3 invalid votes, 4 names and a +1.

Lime Coke, marmot, Long Con, and robyn were unaffected by ghost votes this time. Porscha and Bereft each got one ghost vote.

The tricky part is parsing the invalid votes. 4 players did not vote for anyone, and one ghost vote seems to have counted as invalid as well, but only 3 of those votes actually counted as invalid. Meaning that 2 of the invalid votes probably had no vote whatsoever (more invalid than invalid, if that's even possible). Or at least that's how I understand it. It could be because two of the nonvoters were (presumably) slank-killed for no activity, and they retroactively don't count as having vote power.

And all of this is speculation as if the ghost votes are a game mechanic and not a role mechanic. It's possible that *some* vote manipulation could be from a role, too, though. The D1 numbers didn't really add up, either (5 invalid votes and 6 ghost votes).

I feel like this means that the vote manip had the numbers to save brad?

[Boquise]

I agree with the reasons to scum read Brad.
So could assume that Lily was the vote manip role.

We'll see how wolves play next day's wagons.

I feel like these fellas are town:
Nanook, Porscha, WWA,
with a maybe on Bereft and Long Con

[Long Con]

Vote Count
Lime Coke - (5) - EnderWiggin, Boquise, WindwardAway, robyn, Bereft
Marmot (3) - DrWilgy, S~V~S, Lime Coke
Long Con (2) - ☆Princess Abigail☆, Porscha
robyn (1) - Long Con
Porscha (1) - +1
Bereft (1) - +1


Invalid - (3) 1+ Marmot, (S)yxxy, Jackofhearts2005, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Where did the votes on Porscha and Bereft come from?

Why are there 3 invalid vote, but four names, +1?

[Long Con]

Oh, lol, I am still catching up on a page I skipped earlier. Looks like it is already in discussion.

[Long Con]

I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy

How's that?

[robyn]

I agree with the reasons to scum read Brad.
So could assume that Lily was the vote manip role.

We'll see how wolves play next day's wagons.

I feel like these fellas are town:
Nanook, Porscha, WWA,
with a maybe on Bereft and Long Con

what made me drop for you?

[Long Con]

Nope, just reacting to Robyn's ridiculous statement.

Excuse me, sorry, I meant I was reacting to Porscha's ridiculous statement, not robyn's. I was still groggy.

[Long Con]

Nope, just reacting to Robyn's ridiculous statement.

Excuse me, sorry, I meant I was reacting to Porscha's ridiculous statement, not robyn's. I was still groggy.

LOL never mind. It was robyn. I need glasses.

[Long Con]

This is a list for before I go back and dive into any ISO reading. Just how I think I feel about the game right now. Probably some will change. It's a 'Before' pic.

Long Con
Boquise
☆Princess Abigail☆
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Bereft
EnderWiggin
Porscha
WindwardAway
DrWilgy
Marmot
S~V~S
robyn

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy

How's that?

She's super polarized + I'm really good at reading her

[Long Con]

I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy

How's that?

She's super polarized + I'm really good at reading her

What do you mean by 'super polarized'?

[Porscha]

Anyway I am officially on vacation so I'll be here when I'm here

Heck yeah where are you going

San Diego

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy

How's that?

She's super polarized + I'm really good at reading her

What do you mean by 'super polarized'?

Noticeably different as town vs mafia

Anyway I am officially on vacation so I'll be here when I'm here

Heck yeah where are you going

San Diego

Nice!! Enjoy!

[Long Con]

I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy

How's that?

She's super polarized + I'm really good at reading her

What do you mean by 'super polarized'?

Noticeably different as town vs mafia

I see. I never really played with her before; she struck me as an experienced player.

[WindwardAway]

I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy

How's that?

She's super polarized + I'm really good at reading her

What do you mean by 'super polarized'?

Noticeably different as town vs mafia

I see. I never really played with her before; she struck me as an experienced player.

I think she's experienced, but yeah, ive always heard lots of talk about polarized Porscha. I've also witnessed it, but I also played in one counterexample where everyone said she broke her wolf meta (iirc she was wolfy for a while and then somehow did something that made people rethink her slot, myself included, and we all incorrectly concluded that she was town in that game).

Idk though, I never heard of it happening again lol.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

She is both experienced and easy for me to read, they are not mutually exclusive

[WindwardAway]

I'm not convinced that voting at night does anything at all, but just in case:

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Porscha]

I'm sorta experienced but yeah I'm not great at wolfing lol

Still get misread a lot though so it's cool I'm just kinda wolfy a lot

[WindwardAway]

I'm sorta experienced but yeah I'm not great at wolfing lol

Still get misread a lot though so it's cool I'm just kinda wolfy a lot

I can totally relate lol

[Long Con]

Porscha, I value your input on the discussion surrounding your capabilities.

[Long Con]

Nm

[Long Con]

I'm not convinced that voting at night does anything at all, but just in case:

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

?I hope this doesn't show my intense wolfiness, like when I voted with Marmot , but I'll follow that vote.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Porscha]

Porscha, I value your input on the discussion surrounding your capabilities.

Did you want more?

[Long Con]

Porscha, I value your input on the discussion surrounding your capabilities.

Did you want more?

No, I was typing that since before your post, two earlier. Crosspost, and so then 'nm' aka nevermind.