Guitar Mafia [Day 3]

[Justplayingitcool]

SVS can you tell me your other reads other than Long Con? Sorry if you mentioned them already (I am being lazy)

[S~V~S]

Let’s say LC is just Big Ole Town Clown(tm)
Who’s your next scumread up?

Probably you tbh. I see Halyn is taking some sus but they are relating to me the way town Halyn usually does. jpic and Falcon jumped right in when they arrived, and Roxy is playing an open game, which I associate with her.

You seem a tad more “throwing shit and seeing what sticks” than I usually associate with town you.

@Justplayingitcool this is a reads post from earlier today.

[Long Con]

Long Con
falcon45ca
Scotty
Roxy
Justplayingitcool
hal
S~V~S

Roughly where I stand right now. Could be hal and S~V~S. Roxy and S~V~S is fun. JPIC, I'm just not sure about you yet. You'll be the first I reread ISO on.

[Justplayingitcool]

Let’s say LC is just Big Ole Town Clown(tm)
Who’s your next scumread up?

Probably you tbh. I see Halyn is taking some sus but they are relating to me the way town Halyn usually does. jpic and Falcon jumped right in when they arrived, and Roxy is playing an open game, which I associate with her.

You seem a tad more “throwing shit and seeing what sticks” than I usually associate with town you.

@Justplayingitcool this is a reads post from earlier today.

Thank you

Can you elaborate moreon the hal read?

[Scotty]

Vote: scotty

Feeling dangerous

Tell me about your tinfoil on me and why you’re wearing that hat

Honestly there’s nothing more to it other than the timmer and seanzie thing which i know you explained so i just wanted to mildly explore it probably will change my mind and hard tinfoil someone else

What makes my head tilt is that you said you have tinfoil, proceed to directly follow falcon with a vote on me, and then here you’re noncommittal with your explanation and even willing to jump off. I’m having trouble finding this more than opportunistic

[Justplayingitcool]

Vote: scotty

Feeling dangerous

Tell me about your tinfoil on me and why you’re wearing that hat

Honestly there’s nothing more to it other than the timmer and seanzie thing which i know you explained so i just wanted to mildly explore it probably will change my mind and hard tinfoil someone else

What makes my head tilt is that you said you have tinfoil, proceed to directly follow falcon with a vote on me, and then here you’re noncommittal with your explanation and even willing to jump off. I’m having trouble finding this more than opportunistic

nah im just scatty

[Justplayingitcool]

Anyway, one of the things that I like to do is build potential teams and i know i know it's not a great idea without a scum flip, but humour me:

From my perspective, I feel like the potential words atm are Scotty/Long Con vs SVS or X/X. I feel like X is either Roxy or Hal. Don't really have a read on either. Thought it was weird for roxy to show up out of the blue to say the timmer vote was bad like a few minutes before the phase ended without there being much chance to change the course. but eh, don't hard to find any mafia intent in that really as probably best for them to stay quiet

[Scotty]

Hal/Roxy

T-T. T-W. W-T. Fine....I don't buy W-W for them. If they are, then I'll applaud politely.

I stand corrected; THIS was your first mention of Timmer:

My guitar is frikkin' SICK, wow! I am the best role. Timmer, what do the evil guitars look like?

A "jokey" implication he was evil.

Your SECOND post you mentioned Timmer was the list, where you had him as bad, and the third was your vote for him.

Not sure what "outright lies" I'm telling here.

The "evil" guitars thing, meh, I could call that just Day One trashtalk, but seriously, go look at your own ISO.

Obviously saying my first mention of Timmer being bad was the list... was the lie.

You still don't have it right.

“Lie” is extreme, overlooking an OT post was more like it.

Open your iso, and search it for “Timmer”. The first time you yourself mentioned him was in the evil guitar post.

This is a silly thing to be arguing.

Maybe. Maybe it's a telling thing to be arguing, probably better to think that way in a game like this. And you obviously didn't search for "Timmerman", Miss Read the ISO... I accused him earlier than even the evil guitar comment.

Like, maybe a silly thing to be arguing, so why is it happening? It's a silly thing altogether, but you made it a thing and then neglected due diligence on my ISO, and Y'KNOW, when I'm searching for clues in an ISO, I READ the posts because context is ESSENTIAL when trying to understand the subtleties of a wolf's deception. Typing in a search term is NOT the way that one looks through ISOs when they're doing detective work, it is how a Wolf looks for a gotcha.

You are that Wolf, and you are caught.

Idk seanzie kill reads to me that mafia are trying to musdy the waters as much as possible. One one hand it’s good because that’s a potential misyeet gone but the other we have about as much as info as day 1

I thought it was kind of a 'generous to the spirit of the game' move by the baddies, and I respected that. But now I've read these alternate perspectives, and maybe they killed a non-player because they like the way the winds are blowing. They like the gamestate as it is. Which could mean quiet Wolves, or it could mean confident Wolves.

Devil’s advocate for SVs here that that is how I usually isohunt, so I wouldn’t hold that as a smoking gun.

I think she’s being slippery for other reasons tho

“But now I've read these alternate perspectives, and maybe they killed a non-player because they like the way the winds are blowing. They like the gamestate as it is. Which could mean quiet Wolves, or it could mean confident Wolves.”

This just made me laugh because I think we’ve run the gamut with possibilities: ‘it could mean constipated wolves’ ‘It could mean wolves don’t like men’ ‘it could mean wolves don’t like people associated with gen “z”’ ‘it could mean the wolves are drunk and aren’t ready to come home from the bar’

[Justplayingitcool]

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

[Scotty]

wowee there's actual content without my involvement, time to muck things up.

The muck:

[Justplayingitcool]

hal you need to be townie for me

[Scotty]

SVS can you tell me your other reads other than Long Con? Sorry if you mentioned them already (I am being lazy)

She thinks I’m the opposite of good, which i guess doesn’t necessarily mean I’m bad

[Justplayingitcool]

wowee there's actual content without my involvement, time to muck things up.

The muck:

cute gif

[Scotty]

Long Con
falcon45ca
Scotty
Roxy
Justplayingitcool
hal
S~V~S

Roughly where I stand right now. Could be hal and S~V~S. Roxy and S~V~S is fun. JPIC, I'm just not sure about you yet. You'll be the first I reread ISO on.

If svs is good, does that do anything to Roxy? Or is Roxy a separate read for you?
If svs is bad, does that automatically make Roxy jump to the top of the pile?

Fwiw I think my read list is pretty similar to yours
I could vote either of ham or svs at this current juncture. Hal is just asking to be scrutinized and yeeted

[Scotty]

Vote: scotty

Feeling dangerous

Tell me about your tinfoil on me and why you’re wearing that hat

Honestly there’s nothing more to it other than the timmer and seanzie thing which i know you explained so i just wanted to mildly explore it probably will change my mind and hard tinfoil someone else

What makes my head tilt is that you said you have tinfoil, proceed to directly follow falcon with a vote on me, and then here you’re noncommittal with your explanation and even willing to jump off. I’m having trouble finding this more than opportunistic

nah im just scatty

That’s just my name in a terrible milwaukee accent

[Long Con]

Right now, my vague Roxy read is separate from my SVS read.

[Scotty]

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

This is a legit tinfoil in a traditional sense because I have felt him rather towny in that he’s been so carefree and it could read as a defense

On the flip side, I’m not traditional (except that I *do* hold the door for a lady). I think I would be more inclined to obstruct or bus a teammate

[Scotty]

hal you need to be townie for me

That is the goal, but not the result.
It’s not even the lack of presence. It’s the *promise* of more

[Scotty]

I would like to hear more from Roxy (and Hal) today. Because I think both offer a better perspective to me on Svs and Hal, respectively.

And timmer, who is still on the poll

[Justplayingitcool]

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

This is a legit tinfoil in a traditional sense because I have felt him rather towny in that he’s been so carefree and it could read as a defense

On the flip side, I’m not traditional (except that I *do* hold the door for a lady). I think I would be more inclined to obstruct or bus a teammate

yeah im not really super sold on long con as a baddie because i thought he was slightly townie in day 1. The only minor eyebrow raise was his list in day 1 having me as a scum read when I had 0 posts at the time. His new list today is a bit better though

[Justplayingitcool]

and yes I do want to hear more thoughts from Roxy and Hal

[Scotty]

Anyway, one of the things that I like to do is build potential teams and i know i know it's not a great idea without a scum flip, but humour me:

From my perspective, I feel like the potential words atm are Scotty/Long Con vs SVS or X/X. I feel like X is either Roxy or Hal. Don't really have a read on either. Thought it was weird for roxy to show up out of the blue to say the timmer vote was bad like a few minutes before the phase ended without there being much chance to change the course. but eh, don't hard to find any mafia intent in that really as probably best for them to stay quiet

I don’t usually do comparative teammate analysis but the playerlist is small enough that it might be useful.

If Roxy is aligned with anyone, it’s much more hidden. Her main gripes have been keyed in on LC and Hal. I doubt either of those would be her partner. Literally anyone else could be partnered.

Let’s look at the d1 votes:

hal (1):
Voters: falcon45ca

Long Con (2):
Voters: S~V~S, Roxy

timmer (4):
Voters: Scotty, Long Con, Justplayingitcool, hal

We know thanks to Seanzie dying that both wolves voted on d1. That’s huge actually.

Svs and Roxy voted together. I HIGHLY doubt the timmer wagon is clean with all 4 of us mislynching.
That, to me, tells me both of svs and Roxy are not bad.

I think there’s at least 1 in the timmer wagon

[Scotty]

Yeah I think I’d rather focus on the timmer wagon because I think that is a hit. Not ready to believe both wolves are on that wagon. Gut says no, but I want a wolf flip

[Justplayingitcool]

Anyway, one of the things that I like to do is build potential teams and i know i know it's not a great idea without a scum flip, but humour me:

From my perspective, I feel like the potential words atm are Scotty/Long Con vs SVS or X/X. I feel like X is either Roxy or Hal. Don't really have a read on either. Thought it was weird for roxy to show up out of the blue to say the timmer vote was bad like a few minutes before the phase ended without there being much chance to change the course. but eh, don't hard to find any mafia intent in that really as probably best for them to stay quiet

I don’t usually do comparative teammate analysis but the playerlist is small enough that it might be useful.

If Roxy is aligned with anyone, it’s much more hidden. Her main gripes have been keyed in on LC and Hal. I doubt either of those would be her partner. Literally anyone else could be partnered.

Let’s look at the d1 votes:

hal (1):
Voters: falcon45ca

Long Con (2):
Voters: S~V~S, Roxy

timmer (4):
Voters: Scotty, Long Con, Justplayingitcool, hal

We know thanks to Seanzie dying that both wolves voted on d1. That’s huge actually.

Svs and Roxy voted together. I HIGHLY doubt the timmer wagon is clean with all 4 of us mislynching.
That, to me, tells me both of svs and Roxy are not bad.

I think there’s at least 1 in the timmer wagon

hmm this helpful

From the underlined, do you mean they aren't bad with each other?

[Justplayingitcool]

Christ I type like a caveman now

[Scotty]

Anyway, one of the things that I like to do is build potential teams and i know i know it's not a great idea without a scum flip, but humour me:

From my perspective, I feel like the potential words atm are Scotty/Long Con vs SVS or X/X. I feel like X is either Roxy or Hal. Don't really have a read on either. Thought it was weird for roxy to show up out of the blue to say the timmer vote was bad like a few minutes before the phase ended without there being much chance to change the course. but eh, don't hard to find any mafia intent in that really as probably best for them to stay quiet

I don’t usually do comparative teammate analysis but the playerlist is small enough that it might be useful.

If Roxy is aligned with anyone, it’s much more hidden. Her main gripes have been keyed in on LC and Hal. I doubt either of those would be her partner. Literally anyone else could be partnered.

Let’s look at the d1 votes:

hal (1):
Voters: falcon45ca

Long Con (2):
Voters: S~V~S, Roxy

timmer (4):
Voters: Scotty, Long Con, Justplayingitcool, hal

We know thanks to Seanzie dying that both wolves voted on d1. That’s huge actually.

Svs and Roxy voted together. I HIGHLY doubt the timmer wagon is clean with all 4 of us mislynching.
That, to me, tells me both of svs and Roxy are not bad.

I think there’s at least 1 in the timmer wagon

hmm this helpful

From the underlined, do you mean they aren't bad with each other?

Yea, they’re not *both bad*

This is all assuming there’s 2v7 but lol it’s gotta be

[Justplayingitcool]

ngl this makes me more inclined to vote hal

[Scotty]

Christ I type like a caveman now

Pretty revolutionary tbh
You’ve got that over the one that invented fire

[Scotty]

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

This is a legit tinfoil in a traditional sense because I have felt him rather towny in that he’s been so carefree and it could read as a defense

On the flip side, I’m not traditional (except that I *do* hold the door for a lady). I think I would be more inclined to obstruct or bus a teammate

yeah im not really super sold on long con as a baddie because i thought he was slightly townie in day 1. The only minor eyebrow raise was his list in day 1 having me as a scum read when I had 0 posts at the time. His new list today is a bit better though

A departure from this:

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

Is this still a thought? I feel like a disparity exists with your reads

[Justplayingitcool]

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

This is a legit tinfoil in a traditional sense because I have felt him rather towny in that he’s been so carefree and it could read as a defense

On the flip side, I’m not traditional (except that I *do* hold the door for a lady). I think I would be more inclined to obstruct or bus a teammate

yeah im not really super sold on long con as a baddie because i thought he was slightly townie in day 1. The only minor eyebrow raise was his list in day 1 having me as a scum read when I had 0 posts at the time. His new list today is a bit better though

A departure from this:

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

Is this still a thought? I feel like a disparity exists with your reads

It's still a thought, what I meant by that is I don't think one of you is town and the other is mafia. It meant you are either mafia/mafia or town/town

[Scotty]

I just remembered I hate mountainous and I literally can’t stop posting when I get an idea

Posting like a damned jack russell

[Justplayingitcool]

my main town read falcon is voting hal huh

[Scotty]

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

This is a legit tinfoil in a traditional sense because I have felt him rather towny in that he’s been so carefree and it could read as a defense

On the flip side, I’m not traditional (except that I *do* hold the door for a lady). I think I would be more inclined to obstruct or bus a teammate

yeah im not really super sold on long con as a baddie because i thought he was slightly townie in day 1. The only minor eyebrow raise was his list in day 1 having me as a scum read when I had 0 posts at the time. His new list today is a bit better though

A departure from this:

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

Is this still a thought? I feel like a disparity exists with your reads

It's still a thought, what I meant by that is I don't think one of you is town and the other is mafia. It meant you are either mafia/mafia or town/town

ah ok. It sounds like you’re currently on the thought that we’re T/T since you’re leaning towards a hal vote.

Exactly what my partner LC wants you to think
(For legal purposes this is a joke)

[Justplayingitcool]

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

This is a legit tinfoil in a traditional sense because I have felt him rather towny in that he’s been so carefree and it could read as a defense

On the flip side, I’m not traditional (except that I *do* hold the door for a lady). I think I would be more inclined to obstruct or bus a teammate

yeah im not really super sold on long con as a baddie because i thought he was slightly townie in day 1. The only minor eyebrow raise was his list in day 1 having me as a scum read when I had 0 posts at the time. His new list today is a bit better though

A departure from this:

Part of me though does feel like scotty/LC have been aligned together for most of the game and it's been mutual to each other. I don't think either are different alignments to each other

Is this still a thought? I feel like a disparity exists with your reads

It's still a thought, what I meant by that is I don't think one of you is town and the other is mafia. It meant you are either mafia/mafia or town/town

ah ok. It sounds like you’re currently on the thought that we’re T/T since you’re leaning towards a hal vote.

Exactly what my partner LC wants you to think
(For legal purposes this is a joke)

Indeed because you've simply been townier than Hal this phase lol

[Long Con]

Also, pocketing exists.

[Long Con]

I would have no problem believing in an SVS Hal team.

[Justplayingitcool]

Also, pocketing exists.

yes but i don't think that's the case here

[Long Con]

Also, pocketing exists.

yes but i don't think that's the case here

Neither do I. But if this is the final break of Scotty's town streak, then he is doing a great job.

[Justplayingitcool]

Would mafia!scotty kill seanzie

Still find it a weird kill

[Justplayingitcool]

Vote: hal

[falcon45ca]

I find it hard to believe that, with likely 2 Maf, they were both on timmers wagon. That's just bad policy.




Hal is the best chop today IMO. They've done literally no hunting this RD, and I'd argue they did very little last RD. They were around for EOD, but it purely seemed to thread monitor for self pres.




I'd like to hear thoughts on JPIC from @Scotty @Long Con

[falcon45ca]

@Roxy Where are you?

[Long Con]

I'd like to hear thoughts on JPIC from Long Con

I just read over his ISO and I feel pretty towny about him. He'd be shaded a notch more green than Roxy and hal if I remade my list.

[S~V~S]

Let’s say LC is just Big Ole Town Clown(tm)
Who’s your next scumread up?

Probably you tbh. I see Halyn is taking some sus but they are relating to me the way town Halyn usually does. jpic and Falcon jumped right in when they arrived, and Roxy is playing an open game, which I associate with her.

You seem a tad more “throwing shit and seeing what sticks” than I usually associate with town you.

@Justplayingitcool this is a reads post from earlier today.

Thank you

Can you elaborate moreon the hal read?

Just a warning, I'm going to actually elaborate lol.

The second game I played when i came back from break was LGM, and it's the first time I saw Robyn. They were splashy, drew alot of attention from those of us that didn't know them. Then they did one thing, made one comment, that was my hook, I KNEW they were bad. But it was like having info you can't dump; it was a hard sell to the rest of town.

In a later game when they were bad, I forget which (Holes, maybe?) , their team was them, Neon and Mac, I found out post game that Robyn wanted to kill me night one as I read them well. I watched several of their games that I didn't play, and spent time focusing on them specifically. I've played several games with them, including one as a bad teammate.

Halyn and i kinda circle each other pretty much every game. You'll notice they interact alot with my reads, and ask me questions relevant to my read on them. I like to know where they are, relative to me, and I *think* they do as well. I think I read Robyn pretty well, and I think THEY think I do, too. As a caveat, last game we played, the Landlord game, they were a bit more overtly slick than I associate with their town game, and I was thinking they could be bad, but they were town.

When i wrote that post ^^ Halyn had not done or said anything I would specifically call out as their wolf play, as I interpret it. HOWEVER, since that post, rereading them, and this is a big however, they are being too passive to really fit in what I think of as their town game either. In short (and it's with love, Robyn) they're not in here telling us what to do, lol, or being annoyed that we don't agree with them.

So while I don't have any reason to actively believe them to be wolf, I would not argue against yeeting them, since I don't have any active reason to believe them town, either. It's a nine player game, I think I've made it clear I believe the wolves to be LC and Scotty. In general, if I strongly think someone is town, I'll defend them. There are two, maybe 3, people I feel that strongly about here and Halyn isn't one of them.

[S~V~S]

Looking at their ISO, the majority of their posts are from the extended pregame. They were pretty engaged the first part of Day One, then they kinda fell off Saturday PM.

The first half they felt clearly town to me, or at least not bad. The one discussion they had with Rox about my reads felt clearly town Robyn to me, even if I didn't like the way they were speaking to Rox, it was a very townie Robyn discussion and tone. They seemed clearly annoyed and it didn't feel faked to me. They were actually annoyed imo.

Then they kinda fell off; if anything they read like they lost interest rather than that they are bad. The only time I recall Robyn doing an active baddie "give up", they outed themself on the way out, they didn't just fade away.

So yeah, I won't be voting there myself, but i won't argue against it either.

[falcon45ca]

Roxy and Hal are our swing voters currently, and neither one has done anything this RD

[falcon45ca]

I'd like to hear thoughts on JPIC from Long Con

I just read over his ISO and I feel pretty towny about him. He'd be shaded a notch more green than Roxy and hal if I remade my list.

Is there something specific you're reading in their ISO that gives you the towny vibes?





Ditto Roxy & Hal plz

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

[Roxy]

sorry I have had a sick dog to deal with (he ate candy when we went to the vet he was given meds so it was coming out of both ends - quite the nightmare yesterday


But it did give me time to think.

I *know* I really disliked the Timmer elim.

LC showing up and suddenly people followed him for bs reasons (imo) and elimmed him even after he had at *least* shown up and posted.

Scotty felt the worst then Hal followed closely by LC himeslf.

[Roxy]

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

You have never read me right in any game unless you were bad and I was town.

So for that I do think you are town here.