Severance [Evening Four]

[Gira]

i've begun to find the Bereft gimmick extremely amusing even if i don't have the patience to actually puzzle out what his posts mean

[WindwardAway]

i've begun to find the Bereft gimmick extremely amusing even if i don't have the patience to actually puzzle out what his posts mean

I do think it's entertaining
I just wish I had more time to put together which reads were which, lol

[Gira]

obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

when the fuck did you show up in this game

[Gira]

@Ranmilia are you around? You said you had something to ask me

Yes. Gun to head take on pyxxy chop chop town or wolf?

Without looking at his iso I would shrugyeet him without remorse.
I think his responses to leetic earlier looked kinda towny but maybe that's just because I don't think it looked like theatre, but I townread leetic way more than pyxxy so it's not a great standard for comparison.
But he townread me fairly early, I don't think he gave any explanation for it, and he also knows that I have caught him twice almost immediately in games where he was wolfing and that if he is a wolf, I will catch on and not let him escape.
So yeah, it's an ego-based read for sure, and probably paranoia plays into it but that is my current thought. And I think that part is more important than his discourse with leetic.

interesting

[Gira]

my towncore is the same as mac's, uncertain how i would order names below that but i think the game is in a fairly good place. i have different reasons for locktowning ran than him but the sentiment is the same regardless

[Gira]

i'm guessing the other thread shrugyeeted porscha for being afk, been there before but also lolthem
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Maybe the other thread didn't have a N0? That's the only explanation for Porscha being dead now besides a nightstart or daykill

my assumption all along has been that the 24 hour day 0 was put in place to desync the threads. i had guessed we were gonna end up soul linked with the people in the work thread although i guess that's not the case
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if people lunched in here become treestumps to the other thread

then please. kill me.

sick poast
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Is it time to tell you why I was entertaining Robyn and voting Bereft? Or should I save it for later?

fuck yeh it's time

Ok so I was asking earlier when Robyn was wavering on their Bereft take, and then Bereft seemed to have listed Robyn as a scumread. I didn't want to force a dichotomy between them because it would go terribly if I was wrong, but I wanted to poke around and see what people's reasons for scum reading Robyn were (the reasons for people scumreading Bereft were very clearly that he was gimmick posting).

Robyn claimed that they could solve both Bereft and me within the first 24hours, which resulted in them expressing a townread on me and what seemed like a throwaway scumread on Bereft,which is why I was trying to gauge their confidence in that read (and unfortunately, I was unable to gauge how confident Bereft was in his read on Robyn but maybe someone else picked that up).

I did actually think, once Bereft posted about the objects and put down the first 3 votes, that he was slightly towny for doing so solving under the gimmick. I believe Robyn picked up on this and decided to commit to the bereft push because it would be pretty easy for others to follow without much convincing. The real hindrance to that would be the dissenters who thought Robyn themself was a wolf, however.

Earlier in the game, I did think Robyn's read on Ranmilia was satisfactory enough that I wasn't going to question Robyn right away. I decided it was mildly towny enough and that I could probably leave their slot and see how it goes, so I took to responding to the scumreads on Robyn to figure out what their logic was (or at least, I tried to). So then when Robyn was trying to butter me up and also ask for my readlist, I decided to be sneaky and just not give it (but also because I was too lazy to type it up) and see what behavior I could observe.

I expressed low confidence in my current reads and no real scumreads. This was true enough, and as you pointed out earlier in someone else's case (TSP?), Robyn went straight for pocketing me after I said that. I decided I would vote for Bereft to force the dichotomy between them, correct or not, but without saying that's what I was doing. I downplayed my interpretation of bereft's posts in order to do this, and made a paranoia post that allowed Robyn to amplify it (TSP picked up on this, but thought I looked bad for sowing paranoia in saying that highposters contained a wolf). What I said in response to his vote on me after I caught up was that he should look for who reacted to that post. The answer should be Robyn, because Robyn immediately echoed that sentiment and told the thread that I was "correctly" voicing concern that there was an active wolf. In my opinion, if Robyn is a wolf, then they ARE the most active wolf commenting on my post. If I were more accurate and someone who was a wolf with Robyn was more active than them, they would not want to amplify that.

Sorry this is so longwinded, and also I'm not voting Robyn right now because I don't want to encourage a hammer until closer to the voting deadline. So I just voted pyxxy so that I'm voting somewhere, lol (sorry pyxxy).

god ur such a villager

[Gira]

i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

[WindwardAway]

i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

Why's that?

[Dyslexicon]

i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

You don't <3

[Dyslexicon]

I thought I had a point about Ted, since he has votes. It's just that he very quickly asked Ran about stuff as he was going, as in, there was no delay in the questioning, it was rapid fire, so I think that's good and shows actual thinking. It was about her Rondo read.

Also, @TonyStarkPrime are you setting up a dichotomy between me and Ran? If so, why?

[Gira]

Spoiler: show

imagine a ted/leetic/robyn team. tough rand if true

leetic would be crushing it tbh

i'm based toward townreading insomnia because of his posting style, which i think always hits the surface level indicators i look for, and would have to actually look deeper into him to catch him but haven't really been that concerned and i keep liking when he posts

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i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

Why's that?

thread feels towny as fuck, have a hard time finding scumreads, and i decided in my meditation chamber that the long post that made people back off him was actually kind of scummy because it was manipulative.

i think in terms of reads now i'm at like

{mac, wind, ran, leetic}
{abigail, pyxxy, tsp}
{tedxtr, bereft, dizzy}
{rondo, robyn}

in terms of the second tier townreads - i think pyxxy has certain towntells and over the last few pages he's been hitting them. i know mac is sussing tsp but i keep feeling the way he's posting is towny - i guess if i had cause for concern it's that he's displaying what i read as a towny thought process but has been trying to vote people i think are likely town.

that leaves me with a very narrow suspect pool, and what namse there do i go with? do tedxtr or bereft seem more likely? eh. there was that one ted post about robyn but that is kind of thin evidence.


relatedly, i kind of think that is what happened with robyn - the thread is hella towny and they are having a hard time finding a push so they threw in the towel. a townie who is getting run up, in most cases, will start flailing a bit - they get paranoid, they start accusing people wildly because the world is out to get them, so they end up suspicious of a lot of people. i didn't really get that feeling from robyn, i think they should have been able to name more scumreads

[Gira]

i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

You don't <3

ahh dammit you're so good at pocketing

[TonyStarkPrime]

I thought I had a point about Ted, since he has votes. It's just that he very quickly asked Ran about stuff as he was going, as in, there was no delay in the questioning, it was rapid fire, so I think that's good and shows actual thinking. It was about her Rondo read.

Also, @TonyStarkPrime are you setting up a dichotomy between me and Ran? If so, why?

No I don’t have any mental notions about a dichotomy between you and Ran

[TonyStarkPrime]

Not quite sure where you’re seeing that

[WindwardAway]

Spoiler: show

imagine a ted/leetic/robyn team. tough rand if true

leetic would be crushing it tbh

i'm based toward townreading insomnia because of his posting style, which i think always hits the surface level indicators i look for, and would have to actually look deeper into him to catch him but haven't really been that concerned and i keep liking when he posts

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i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

Why's that?

thread feels towny as fuck, have a hard time finding scumreads, and i decided in my meditation chamber that the long post that made people back off him was actually kind of scummy because it was manipulative.

i think in terms of reads now i'm at like

{mac, wind, ran, leetic}
{abigail, pyxxy, tsp}
{tedxtr, bereft, dizzy}
{rondo, robyn}

in terms of the second tier townreads - i think pyxxy has certain towntells and over the last few pages he's been hitting them. i know mac is sussing tsp but i keep feeling the way he's posting is towny - i guess if i had cause for concern it's that he's displaying what i read as a towny thought process but has been trying to vote people i think are likely town.

that leaves me with a very narrow suspect pool, and what namse there do i go with? do tedxtr or bereft seem more likely? eh. there was that one ted post about robyn but that is kind of thin evidence.


relatedly, i kind of think that is what happened with robyn - the thread is hella towny and they are having a hard time finding a push so they threw in the towel. a townie who is getting run up, in most cases, will start flailing a bit - they get paranoid, they start accusing people wildly because the world is out to get them, so they end up suspicious of a lot of people. i didn't really get that feeling from robyn, i think they should have been able to name more scumreads

To add to your pyxxy take, yeah I think his responses to me after I aired my paranoia on him were pretty ok, they weren't panicky wolfy responses.

And yeah, the biggest thing for me with Robyn was that they withdrew their push on Bereft under pressure, rather than either sticking to that read or flailing around and looking for wolves that might be pushing them, as you sort of said above. I had asked Robyn whether they thought any wolves would be leading a push on them on D1 and basically they just said, nope, usually all town, so yeah. I haven't verified whether they always react like that to pushes (nor do I feel like going to the effort of digging through past games to prove or disprove this) but it does just kinda point to them having no real scumreads. I guess other than bereft, you were also in their list, but I no longer have you in my PoE lol.

[WindwardAway]

But the question is then, if Robyn does flip scum, who's partnered with them?
I'm pretty solid on my townreads now that there's actually a consensus on them, at least from what I can tell (not unanimous but at least majority) and as I said before, I do not think pyxxy is partnered with Robyn so I'd clear him on a w!Robyn flip for sure. Maaaybe would reconsider pyxxy as PoE if Robyn flipped town.
TSP is also never partnered with Robyn and probably just town in all cases, for reasons I elaborated earlier. Robyn's alignment doesn't really affect this read, just seals TSP in as locktown if they flip wolf.
I would highly, highly doubt Bereft is partnered with Robyn. Would reconsider if Robyn is town but not really feeling like Bereft is scummy rn.
Ted I guess is a possibility but I'm not sure yet, since he didn't really give a definite read on Robyn. I'd probably have to go back and like through Robyn's iso but I don't feel like doing that before I see a flip.

Is it too early to preflip? I'm not sure what else to do, and tbh all of these are coming from association or anti-association reads I formed without looking for them, so even if Robyn were to flip town I think they're worth some consideration.

[Dyslexicon]

Not quite sure where you’re seeing that

Me neither. Maybe it was someone else

[WindwardAway]

I should work on solving the rest of the game tonight before I sleep since I'll miss deadline

Also I've had no Internet at home for like a day so there's no way I'm going to do ISOs on a computer or anything (not like I do that often, but now you're REALLY stuck with my mobile posting)

[Dyslexicon]

Or we vote someone from the other list \o/

[WindwardAway]

Or we vote someone from the other list \o/

The other list?

[tedxtr]

ghanna keep my vote on rondo, tho it's not a lock one

but the reason i wanted him to be strict on wolfy in general vs wolfy this game is cuz i didn't feel like he was trying to be wolfy, actually i had the opposite view

i dunno why the thread seems stuck on robyn, but given the callout for them being a wolf and the frozen wagon on them, maybe they're spewed wolf somehow (push on this, wolves - sounds wolfy!)

dunno what to make of bereft. or dizzy. gth running up a wall on ran then swapping for no reason given you've read like only 2 posts for them seems weird.

the game feels incredibly boring to solve in and it feels PoEable. there's nothing like ~obvious wolf, but there are villagery villagers

[tedxtr]

Also Ted and maybe others asked me about why I'm voting Robyn. I only saw that they wrote a really long self meta-ish monologue, and that is what I've seen them do as wolf before. And also, I don't think they have tried to interact with me and Robyn is like actually scared of me when they rand mafia (although this last point isn't very meaningfully actually none of them are).

ngl, don't really like this poast. doesn't feel real to me

legit chance it could be w/w /shrug

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

Mmmm yummy fruit from the lowest tree

[tedxtr]

mostly cuz the context was that robyn was replying to ran's request, but more that he expected robyn to interact with them when dizzy's being awol most of the game

seems like random stuff to bus off of. and i still don't get why he shifted from ran with relative ease

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

Rule it out, Robyn never self voted and I explicitly told Abbi there was no self voting before she could try it

True

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

ran saying good words

Ranvilla amIrite?

[pyxxy]

ran saying good words

Ranvilla amIrite?

I guess it do be like that

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

eepy as the kids say. see y'all tomorrow.

@Porscha Hello fair maiden. If thou be town truly, I would ask of thee a great boon: look upon the Princess Abigail's iso, well and truly, and deliver thine holy judgment as to whether she be a werewolf. Thank you for your time <3

Porscha will never betray me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

when the fuck did you show up in this game

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

ran saying good words

Ranvilla amIrite?

I guess it do be like that

Frfr

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Maybe I should vote

[leetic]

Maybe I should vote

Do it

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Maybe I should vote

Do it

Nah

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Maybe later

[leetic]

i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

If people are paired between threads, then the Porscha situation should've affected somebody, yet no one has claimed anything of the sort. Although robyn claimed their vote at 9:41 EST, 41 minutes after EoD in the other thread (assuming they didn't have the 24 hour N0) so perhaps there is a connection with the other thread

[leetic]

If people are paired between threads, then the Porscha situation should've affected somebody, yet no one has claimed anything of the sort.

I guess there is the possibility of Porscha being the fourteenth player who isn't paired with anybody, then again that's a one in fourteen chance from our perspective

[leetic]

i dunno why the thread seems stuck on robyn, but given the callout for them being a wolf and the frozen wagon on them, maybe they're spewed wolf somehow (push on this, wolves - sounds wolfy!)

Can you clarify what point you're trying to make here?

[Gira]

maybe porscha is supposed to be like petey and she got fired from work but still exists in the outside world

[leetic]

If robyn ain't gonna show up, they are basically a dead slot, so I suppose getting rid of them isn't the worst idea in the world.

[Gira]

ghanna keep my vote on rondo, tho it's not a lock one

but the reason i wanted him to be strict on wolfy in general vs wolfy this game is cuz i didn't feel like he was trying to be wolfy, actually i had the opposite view

i dunno why the thread seems stuck on robyn, but given the callout for them being a wolf and the frozen wagon on them, maybe they're spewed wolf somehow (push on this, wolves - sounds wolfy!)

dunno what to make of bereft. or dizzy. gth running up a wall on ran then swapping for no reason given you've read like only 2 posts for them seems weird.

the game feels incredibly boring to solve in and it feels PoEable. there's nothing like ~obvious wolf, but there are villagery villagers

i wouldn't really call the wagon frozen, it wasn't really a thing until like, last night when mac moved his vote, prior to that was mostly just me sitting there

and historically if i'm syncing with mac on a read on day 1 that has a very good success rate

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

If people are paired between threads, then the Porscha situation should've affected somebody, yet no one has claimed anything of the sort. Although robyn claimed their vote at 9:41 EST, 41 minutes after EoD in the other thread (assuming they didn't have the 24 hour N0) so perhaps there is a connection with the other thread

Are you sure about that

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like are you really REALLY sure about that

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'd go reread things around Porscha entering the thread maybe

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[leetic]

Like are you really REALLY sure about that

You supposedly have one of the secret votes, so you'd know better than I

[WindwardAway]

Also Ted and maybe others asked me about why I'm voting Robyn. I only saw that they wrote a really long self meta-ish monologue, and that is what I've seen them do as wolf before. And also, I don't think they have tried to interact with me and Robyn is like actually scared of me when they rand mafia (although this last point isn't very meaningfully actually none of them are).

ngl, don't really like this poast. doesn't feel real to me

legit chance it could be w/w /shrug

I could maybe see that tbh
But I liked some of Dizzy's earlier posts
I think

[WindwardAway]

Oh finally my internet is back!!!

Probably don't have the time/energy to do ISOs before EoD anyway but feel free to ask me for reads or opinions or just bounce stuff off me if you want

[WindwardAway]

Oh finally my internet is back!!!

Probably don't have the time/energy to do ISOs before EoD anyway but feel free to ask me for reads or opinions or just bounce stuff off me if you want

...as soon as I posted that, the network died again
Fml

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like are you really REALLY sure about that

You supposedly have one of the secret votes, so you'd know better than I

Mmm but that's not how people are connected no

[Bereft]

Right, the morning. I can't exactly rely on being mentally present in the morning, can I?

I take some of the objects and turn on a desk lamp. Maybe shining a light on them will help.

Lets start with the disco ball.