Severance [Evening Four]

[MacDougall]

The Robyn wagon was 4 or 5 for ages. Its only now that the POE decided to join it that its 8. I don't think the size of it is indicative of its purity or credibility if you read the context.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Look how quickly the close wagons became very unclose wagons.

Truly legendary science

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Truly I am the greatest scientist of all time

[WindwardAway]

Ted is not really a good choice today I think and like I don’t know what to do with Robyn but if we’re being forced into resolving it on our terms then oh well

Are there actually better options than these two, though?

Eh i xunno

I meant like if you thought there were scummier players, not if a wagon shift was in order (please don't do that lol)

[tedxtr]

Look how quickly the close wagons became very unclose wagons.

Truly legendary science

great read

[MacDougall]

At any rate if talking about chance and probability I see more long dick day 1 wagons flip mafia than most day 1 wagons tbh.

[tedxtr]

if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

[MacDougall]

I think these wagons somewhat imply Rondo is mafia too though because if he was town I think the mafia would have tried to put emphasis on him by now.

[MacDougall]

if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

What do you you mean due to how it came to fruition?

[MacDougall]

I think these wagons somewhat imply Rondo is mafia too though because if he was town I think the mafia would have tried to put emphasis on him by now.

Could also apply this logic to Bereft and to a lesser extent Pyxxy.

[leetic]

if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

If large wagons form very quickly with little resistance, that's usually not a good sign. But since there are only two wagons with little hope of a counterwagon, that logic may not apply in this case.

[MacDougall]

Which when looking at the Ted wagon. Lol.

[tedxtr]

if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

What do you you mean due to how it came to fruition?

simple

there was no case, and they are among the top posters

but im kinda confbiasing cuz i saw a dizzy vote on them that makes like 0 sense, so ymmv

[MacDougall]

if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

If large wagons form very quickly with little resistance, that's usually not a good sign. But since there are only two wagons with little hope of a counterwagon, that logic may not apply in this case.

It was an average size wagon with a fair amount of resistance for quite some time. It has just recently become rather apparent that the backbone of it has no intent to move.

I actually look at these wagons and think the wagon is provably quite pure even still though. Ted looks like the impure wagon of the two.

[MacDougall]

if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

What do you you mean due to how it came to fruition?

simple

there was no case, and they are among the top posters

but im kinda confbiasing cuz i saw a dizzy vote on them that makes like 0 sense, so ymmv

Homie first and foremost, I did make an argument as to why they were mafia. So did a few others including WWA. So your idea it came to fruition off no case is invalid.

Second, cases are overrated and rand anyway. If what you're looking for is some grand prosecuteur to have spelled out and persuaded the room that's not actually something that happens much.

[leetic]

if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

If large wagons form very quickly with little resistance, that's usually not a good sign. But since there are only two wagons with little hope of a counterwagon, that logic may not apply in this case.

It was an average size wagon with a fair amount of resistance for quite some time. It has just recently become rather apparent that the backbone of it has no intent to move.

I actually look at these wagons and think the wagon is provably quite pure even still though. Ted looks like the impure wagon of the two.

I suppose it's possible. robyn ain't voting, so that just means that two voters on tedxtr need to be wolves for the wagon to be pure (assuming most likely scenario of three wolves)

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

[leetic]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

[WindwardAway]

I think these wagons somewhat imply Rondo is mafia too though because if he was town I think the mafia would have tried to put emphasis on him by now.

Could also apply this logic to Bereft and to a lesser extent Pyxxy.

That thought about Rondo also occurred to me when I was looking at the votes
Idk though, he's a bit chaotic to read so I'm not totally sure. But I think leetic is the only one who's put pressure on rondo so far, and leetic is almost definitely town, so you might be right. In fact, iirc more people put pressure on dubz before rondo subbed in. I wasn't really buying it at that point and idk what that says about me and my dumb reads, but the change in sus levels on rondo is something to note.

[MacDougall]

That is to say that if I was a mafia teammate of Robyn and had some intent to save them by voting out a viable town miselim I'd be looking at the likes of Ted, Bereft, Rondo, Pyxxy and maybe even Abigail and well... look at the Ted wagon.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Guys can you get off Robyn and get on ted? You really think getting a +1 vote is scum indicative?

[WindwardAway]

Guys can you get off Robyn and get on ted? You really think getting a +1 vote is scum indicative?

As of right now, it's not indicative of alignment unless someone wants to claim putting the vote on Robyn.

[MacDougall]

Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

[MacDougall]

Guys can you get off Robyn and get on ted? You really think getting a +1 vote is scum indicative?

I have no evidence to suggest that has even happened.

[leetic]

If the secret votes are a wolf power, why would a wolf use it when it spews the victims as town? Sure, a wolf could lie about it, but that lie will most likely be exposed when the wolf role flips

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

Youve looked at me?

[tedxtr]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

so can we vote this guy now? Cuz it has been incredibly hard for some reason

[MacDougall]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

Which 3 are pushing you sorry?

Also their pushes are clearly fairly timid given your present vote count.

[RondoDimBuckle]

That is to say that if I was a mafia teammate of Robyn and had some intent to save them by voting out a viable town miselim I'd be looking at the likes of Ted, Bereft, Rondo, Pyxxy and maybe even Abigail and well... look at the Ted wagon.

oh lol

[tedxtr]

why tf are you sheeping a gimmick poster who i can hardly understand what he’s saying and why does there NEED to be a wolf in people pushing you?

what a load of bologne

[MacDougall]

Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

Youve looked at me?

Literally within the last five minutes I've been talking about how you look sus via the vc.

[RondoDimBuckle]

If the secret votes are a wolf power, why would a wolf use it when it spews the victims as town? Sure, a wolf could lie about it, but that lie will most likely be exposed when the wolf role flips

well I know I am town and I know I have a +1 vote so I am less likely to vote on a fellow +1er

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

Youve looked at me?

Literally within the last five minutes I've been talking about how you look sus via the vc.

how? I literally just sat down can you quote?

[WindwardAway]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

Look, I'm happy to buy the read that Bereft is town and possibly right on Ted, but I don't necessarily think that means Robyn is town. I think both are suspicious, Robyn a bit more so from my own reasoning as well as what others have said (whatever suspicion I have on Ted is honestly sheeped from multiple people I believe to be town, with little to no reasoning of my own), and I think they also have partner equity. So I'm fine with killing Robyn today and recalibrating on Ted tomorrow to see if my opinion holds.

[MacDougall]

That is to say that if I was a mafia teammate of Robyn and had some intent to save them by voting out a viable town miselim I'd be looking at the likes of Ted, Bereft, Rondo, Pyxxy and maybe even Abigail and well... look at the Ted wagon.

oh lol

Tbh I think you are in a fairly hard difference check with Ted atm.

And I don't think that bodes well for you given the wagon state.

[pyxxy]

Spoiler: show

Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dubz
2
14%
Voters: tedxtr, leetic
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: None
leetic
1
7%
Voters: pyxxy
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
7%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Ranmilia
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
5
36%
Voters: Ranmilia, WindwardAway, Dyslexicon, Gira, MacDougall
tedxtr
2
14%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Bereft
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
WindwardAway
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
1
7%
Voters: robyn

after this

*is the shadow vote +1 modify in effect

I moved from leetic (1 -> 0) to ted (2 -> 3)
WWA moved from robyn (6* -> 5*) to ted (3 -> 4)
leetic moved from RondDubz (3*->2*) to robyn (5* -> 6*)
ted moved from RonDubz (2* -> 1*) to robyn (6* -> 7*)
Abigail voted for ted (4 -> 5)
WWA switched back from ted (5 -> 4) to robyn (7* -> 8*)
tsp moved from Abigail (1 -> 0) to robyn (8* -> 9*)

because I can see certain people already trying to pre-flip robyn and hey, I just want to help y'all do the work, because I'm a nice person

[WindwardAway]

If the secret votes are a wolf power, why would a wolf use it when it spews the victims as town? Sure, a wolf could lie about it, but that lie will most likely be exposed when the wolf role flips

well I know I am town and I know I have a +1 vote so I am less likely to vote on a fellow +1er

Ok, and if the +1 vote happens to be from a wolf, and wolves would be aware of it in this case, couldn't a wolf just claim a +1 vote on themself to obfuscate?

[RondoDimBuckle]

why tf are you sheeping a gimmick poster who i can hardly understand what he’s saying and why does there NEED to be a wolf in people pushing you?

what a load of bologne

Because if you look into the gimmick it has logical consistency and it matches what I have been low key thinking up until I posted it so Bereft is seeing the game close to me so why wouldnt I join him on someone I think could be a wolf?

[tedxtr]

just kill this guy asap after robyn and give me all cred

and if robyn is wolf, kill dizzy

[WindwardAway]

Spoiler: show

Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dubz
2
14%
Voters: tedxtr, leetic
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: None
leetic
1
7%
Voters: pyxxy
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
7%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Ranmilia
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
5
36%
Voters: Ranmilia, WindwardAway, Dyslexicon, Gira, MacDougall
tedxtr
2
14%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Bereft
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
WindwardAway
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
1
7%
Voters: robyn

after this

*is the shadow vote +1 modify in effect

I moved from leetic (1 -> 0) to ted (2 -> 3)
WWA moved from robyn (6* -> 5*) to ted (3 -> 4)
leetic moved from RondDubz (3*->2*) to robyn (5* -> 6*)
ted moved from RonDubz (2* -> 1*) to robyn (6* -> 7*)
Abigail voted for ted (4 -> 5)
WWA switched back from ted (5 -> 4) to robyn (7* -> 8*)
tsp moved from Abigail (1 -> 0) to robyn (8* -> 9*)

because I can see certain people already trying to pre-flip robyn and hey, I just want to help y'all do the work, because I'm a nice person

Thanks for this

[WindwardAway]

just kill this guy asap after robyn and give me all cred

and if robyn is wolf, kill dizzy

LOL

[RondoDimBuckle]

Guys can you get off Robyn and get on ted? You really think getting a +1 vote is scum indicative?

I have no evidence to suggest that has even happened.

I dont care? Team based game. I am sharing my thoughts

[MacDougall]

Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

Youve looked at me?

Literally within the last five minutes I've been talking about how you look sus via the vc.

how? I literally just sat down can you quote?

You literally just quoted it. My point is that you not being a third c/w of any significance is relatively indicative the mafia either don't want to vote you or have given up on trying.

Given you and Ted are kind of diametrically opposed to each other and Robyn is the main wagon , plus the rest of the viable miselims are sat on Ted, it looks to me like the mafia attempted to make Ted the miselim and have come up short due to town cohesion.

[MacDougall]

just kill this guy asap after robyn and give me all cred

and if robyn is wolf, kill dizzy

If Robyn is wolf Rondo looks much worse. If Robyn is town I think he looks quite decent.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

so can we vote this guy now? Cuz it has been incredibly hard for some reason

lol, mate, you obviously dont know me. I am obviously not suspicious to other people, maybe take a moment and think that maybe I am in my normal town range?

[WindwardAway]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

so can we vote this guy now? Cuz it has been incredibly hard for some reason

lol, mate, you obviously dont know me. I am obviously not suspicious to other people, maybe take a moment and think that maybe I am in my normal town range?

Leetic didn't seem to think you seemed normal earlier, lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

That is to say that if I was a mafia teammate of Robyn and had some intent to save them by voting out a viable town miselim I'd be looking at the likes of Ted, Bereft, Rondo, Pyxxy and maybe even Abigail and well... look at the Ted wagon.

oh lol

Tbh I think you are in a fairly hard difference check with Ted atm.

And I don't think that bodes well for you given the wagon state.

I dont see how but ok you go off

[MacDougall]

Rondo explain why you're sheeping Bereft on Robyn and ignoring myself, Gira and WWA being on them? What makes Bereft the better authority on this matter?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

so can we vote this guy now? Cuz it has been incredibly hard for some reason

lol, mate, you obviously dont know me. I am obviously not suspicious to other people, maybe take a moment and think that maybe I am in my normal town range?

Leetic didn't seem to think you seemed normal earlier, lol

I dont know leetic? Leetic doesnt know me? Literally the 3 people who dont know me have been on me since I entered. Gira, Leetic and Ted. I am 0 surprise 0 pikachu face. I saw the player list and knew I would have to deal with them constantly. what ever. its Mafia, theyll learn for next game