leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:18 am
A couple of meta questions about Dyslexicon:
- Is it typical for them to completely dip like this?
- Do they typically bus/distance their partners or are they more willing to openly defend them?
1. not really, as either alignment
2. in the dizzy wolf games I remember it was a mix of all three, distancing, some bussing, some open defense. A lot of forcing hard dichotomies like "we simply must resolve [town on town fight]" although that's a common wolf tactic regardless.
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
I won't trust your read on Dubz, as you townread NANOOK for doing nothing in Beans Mafia and look where that led you. But I might be more willing to listen to your read on RDB, so can you explain why they're town?
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
Here for your viewing pleasure
Talk to me about Rondo, Ted, Pyxxy? Well you have already talked about Rondo/Dubz but. Why are those your bottom two?
Wagon movement when Ted was brought close to Robyn looks atrocious
I have no conceivably valid reason to town read pyxxy. They've been providing much info but no analysis and largely doing nothing that isn't as wolfy as it could be towny
The way I read the game is to look at posts from a player and internally analyze "how does this benefit town? How does this benefit wolf? Would town do it and why? Would wolf do it and why? Which is more likely?"
After doing that analysis internally I draw a conclusion.
I am much better at finding town than scum statistically so I look for town and than poe the people I find least likely to be town
Hm. Talk to me about Bereft, actually. That's the lynchpin there, because my view on Ted currently is relative to my view on Bereft and Rondo. I see how from your point of view this worldview makes sense.
Berefts gimmick could be used to hide behind as a wolf however I think it's possible to read into gimmicks pretty easily generally
The way Bereft is presenting information is readable and you can follow progression
His read on me follows a progression that I find extremely towny and devoid of TMI
Robyn starting to hedge on Bereft being always wolf also makes me more comfortable town reading them
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You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:18 am
A couple of meta questions about Dyslexicon:
- Is it typical for them to completely dip like this?
- Do they typically bus/distance their partners or are they more willing to openly defend them?
1. not really, as either alignment
2. in the dizzy wolf games I remember it was a mix of all three, distancing, some bussing, some open defense. A lot of forcing hard dichotomies like "we simply must resolve [town on town fight]" although that's a common wolf tactic regardless.
Their only significant interactions were with you (hard distancing/bussing) and tedxtr (hard defense), so those would be the only real leads if Dyslexicon flips wolf
Dizzy wolfgame (and wolf sweep) I specced closely. In this particular game he mostly hid behind Hally claiming a godread on him but still a great game for analysis.
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
I won't trust your read on Dubz, as you townread NANOOK for doing nothing in Beans Mafia and look where that led you. But I might be more willing to listen to your read on RDB, so can you explain why they're town?
Oh no I got 1 out of 100s of these reads I do wrong
I also read Wilgy right
Bubbly Magical Girl who loves Caitlin more than anything in the world!
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
I won't trust your read on Dubz, as you townread NANOOK for doing nothing in Beans Mafia and look where that led you. But I might be more willing to listen to your read on RDB, so can you explain why they're town?
Oh no I got 1 out of 100s of these reads I do wrong
I also read Wilgy right
Yeah, a 50% success rate of a sample size of two ain't good enough. Especially when it should've been obvious that Epi was town, but water under the bridge I guess
I don't see how this changes my right process at all
okay
Thank you for this amazing insight
If my point is that when Ted got close there was a massive wagon formation change even if I'm wrong about the numbers you've corroborated the concept no?
right
and I helped make ted close
But you also finished on a vanity wagon no?
is that part of why you're sussing me? I thought it was more about the robyn wagon popping off after ted got close, and so I wanted to point out that I don't fit that narrative
Your vote is meaningless if I think it's a potential distancing vote and you bounced off wagon as soon as it was safe
true and literally not true
and that's literally why I posted my summary of the vote movements, which I made in real time knowing that someone would want to do analysis
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:10 am
Ain't no need to neg people about past games. We learn and move on, gg go next.
Not gonna potentially follow a mistake that led directly to an easily avoidable town loss. Abby could've just explained why they felt RDB was towny, but no. This is even dumber than that last game because Dubz can't even come back, meaning it's literally just based on a few posts that weren't even in D1
Basically, Dubz shouldn't even be a topic of conversation when their contributions to the slot were so minimal. Any arguments for or against the slot should be based on RDB alone.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:21 am
Good morning
A bit busy again today but I'll be around for a while before eod regardless
Also I have an extra vote on me, lol
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:21 am
Good morning
A bit busy again today but I'll be around for a while before eod regardless
Also I have an extra vote on me, lol
Curioser and curiouser
My guess is that it's actually coming from the other thread
I mean, lots of people said they think Rondo is scum and then voted Dizzy.
I said I changed my mind overnight, Rondo's ISO was not scummy yesterday, and then I voted Dizzy to put pressure there.
Dunno what everyone else's explanation is. Has Dizzy shown up yet?
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:21 am
Good morning
A bit busy again today but I'll be around for a while before eod regardless
Also I have an extra vote on me, lol
Curioser and curiouser
My guess is that it's actually coming from the other thread
Yeah the current going theory is that they indicate pairups with people who were wagoned or killed somehow in the other thread. TSP has one and reports illario is dead and in a mason chat with him, same as with abigail/porscha. No one else has reported one today.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:21 am
Good morning
A bit busy again today but I'll be around for a while before eod regardless
Also I have an extra vote on me, lol
Curioser and curiouser
My guess is that it's actually coming from the other thread
Yeah the current going theory is that they indicate pairups with people who were wagoned or killed somehow in the other thread. TSP has one and reports illario is dead and in a mason chat with him, same as with abigail/porscha. No one else has reported one today.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:27 am
I mean, lots of people said they think Rondo is scum and then voted Dizzy.
I said I changed my mind overnight, Rondo's ISO was not scummy yesterday, and then I voted Dizzy to put pressure there.
Dunno what everyone else's explanation is. Has Dizzy shown up yet?
He has not. I've moved there because TSP now has an illario in his head.
ilario doing not a damn thing seems to be indicative of a wolf not wanting to spew. I suppose that situation should resolve on its own by the next day though.
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:10 am
Ain't no need to neg people about past games. We learn and move on, gg go next.
Not gonna potentially follow a mistake that led directly to an easily avoidable town loss. Abby could've just explained why they felt RDB was towny, but no. This is even dumber than that last game because Dubz can't even come back, meaning it's literally just based on a few posts that weren't even in D1
I had agreed with Abbi on her Dubz read at the time she made it, and I commented on it. At this point I don't think it holds as much weight as I thought it did at the time, but I still see decent reasons why Rondo can be town for his own posts, not Dubz's.
I'm just chiming in on this because I made a read on both of the slotholders and think it just points to Rondo being town. He's definitely not my strongest townread by far, though.
Also I disagree with ignoring the previous slotholder when making reads on a sub. I mean, yeah, I always try to evaluate the sub on their posts as well because if I detect a disparity it obviously means my read is wrong somewhere, but that's kind of why I think it's important to evaluate both (granted, Dubz didn't have many posts in total and I believe only one of them was AI - I went through their ISO overnight and double-checked this, as well as reading Rondo's ISO).
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:37 am
ilario doing not a damn thing seems to be indicative of a wolf not wanting to spew. I suppose that situation should resolve on its own by the next day though.
You mean he has access to this thread like Porscha did, but hasn't posted?
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:44 am
Also I disagree with ignoring the previous slotholder when making reads on a sub. I mean, yeah, I always try to evaluate the sub on their posts as well because if I detect a disparity it obviously means my read is wrong somewhere, but that's kind of why I think it's important to evaluate both (granted, Dubz didn't have many posts in total and I believe only one of them was AI - I went through their ISO overnight and double-checked this, as well as reading Rondo's ISO).
Their posts are a bunch of meaningless drivel and they weren't present for any real game events. Even when someone subbed out has a substantial ISO it's better to focus on the person who can respond, but in this case focusing on Dubz is nothing but a smokescreen. I seriously hope that this is the last post in the game that mentions their name.
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
I won't trust your read on Dubz, as you townread NANOOK for doing nothing in Beans Mafia and look where that led you. But I might be more willing to listen to your read on RDB, so can you explain why they're town?
Oh no I got 1 out of 100s of these reads I do wrong
I also read Wilgy right
Yeah, a 50% success rate of a sample size of two ain't good enough. Especially when it should've been obvious that Epi was town, but water under the bridge I guess
Nobody has ever got a read wrong omg
Bubbly Magical Girl who loves Caitlin more than anything in the world!
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:10 am
Ain't no need to neg people about past games. We learn and move on, gg go next.
Not gonna potentially follow a mistake that led directly to an easily avoidable town loss. Abby could've just explained why they felt RDB was towny, but no. This is even dumber than that last game because Dubz can't even come back, meaning it's literally just based on a few posts that weren't even in D1
My snap reads at game start are legendary
Also I did explain that Rondo is doing nothing to change that read he's been towny more than wolfy
Bubbly Magical Girl who loves Caitlin more than anything in the world!
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
I won't trust your read on Dubz, as you townread NANOOK for doing nothing in Beans Mafia and look where that led you. But I might be more willing to listen to your read on RDB, so can you explain why they're town?
Oh no I got 1 out of 100s of these reads I do wrong
I also read Wilgy right
Yeah, a 50% success rate of a sample size of two ain't good enough. Especially when it should've been obvious that Epi was town, but water under the bridge I guess
Nobody has ever got a read wrong omg
At that point, it's not even a "read" but a refusal to read. How 'bout you actually tell me about RDB.
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:44 am
Also I disagree with ignoring the previous slotholder when making reads on a sub. I mean, yeah, I always try to evaluate the sub on their posts as well because if I detect a disparity it obviously means my read is wrong somewhere, but that's kind of why I think it's important to evaluate both (granted, Dubz didn't have many posts in total and I believe only one of them was AI - I went through their ISO overnight and double-checked this, as well as reading Rondo's ISO).
Their posts are a bunch of meaningless drivel and they weren't present for any real game events. Even when someone subbed out has a substantial ISO it's better to focus on the person who can respond, but in this case focusing on Dubz is nothing but a smokescreen. I seriously hope that this is the last post in the game that mentions their name.
Just cause you suck at reading early game shit posts doesn't mean I do
Bubbly Magical Girl who loves Caitlin more than anything in the world!
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
I won't trust your read on Dubz, as you townread NANOOK for doing nothing in Beans Mafia and look where that led you. But I might be more willing to listen to your read on RDB, so can you explain why they're town?
Oh no I got 1 out of 100s of these reads I do wrong
I also read Wilgy right
Yeah, a 50% success rate of a sample size of two ain't good enough. Especially when it should've been obvious that Epi was town, but water under the bridge I guess
Nobody has ever got a read wrong omg
At that point, it's not even a "read" but a refusal to read. How 'bout you actually tell me about RDB.
No it's a read.
DubZ was pure as snow.
Bubbly Magical Girl who loves Caitlin more than anything in the world!
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:44 am
Also I disagree with ignoring the previous slotholder when making reads on a sub. I mean, yeah, I always try to evaluate the sub on their posts as well because if I detect a disparity it obviously means my read is wrong somewhere, but that's kind of why I think it's important to evaluate both (granted, Dubz didn't have many posts in total and I believe only one of them was AI - I went through their ISO overnight and double-checked this, as well as reading Rondo's ISO).
Their posts are a bunch of meaningless drivel and they weren't present for any real game events. Even when someone subbed out has a substantial ISO it's better to focus on the person who can respond, but in this case focusing on Dubz is nothing but a smokescreen. I seriously hope that this is the last post in the game that mentions their name.
Just cause you suck at reading early game shit posts doesn't mean I do
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:44 am
Also I disagree with ignoring the previous slotholder when making reads on a sub. I mean, yeah, I always try to evaluate the sub on their posts as well because if I detect a disparity it obviously means my read is wrong somewhere, but that's kind of why I think it's important to evaluate both (granted, Dubz didn't have many posts in total and I believe only one of them was AI - I went through their ISO overnight and double-checked this, as well as reading Rondo's ISO).
Their posts are a bunch of meaningless drivel and they weren't present for any real game events. Even when someone subbed out has a substantial ISO it's better to focus on the person who can respond, but in this case focusing on Dubz is nothing but a smokescreen. I seriously hope that this is the last post in the game that mentions their name.
Just cause you suck at reading early game shit posts doesn't mean I do
No, but your track record does mean that
No it doesn't lol.
My track record is pretty fucking good
I wasn't in the game your referencing at game start
I didn't go early game snap reads. So kindly get over it thanks.
Bubbly Magical Girl who loves Caitlin more than anything in the world!
You are Zenon, Town 1-shot Desperado. You’re known for posting a lot (namely in anime gif form), playing a lot, and, most importantly, making snap decisions – particularly in the endgame. In a recent game, Wild West FM, you were taken to final 3 and immediately voted the last wolf, resulting in a LyLo that was strictly speaking over in four minutes and two posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to accomplish a similar feat.
High-Risk High-Reward (Day 2+, 1-shot, Immediate): Spend 6 Snapvote Charges, post Fuck it we ball glgl in bold red text, and ping a player. (When you use this ability, you should also inform the hosts privately.) If they are Town, you will strongman die. Otherwise, you will strongman kill that player. This action resolves instantly.
Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?
I won't trust your read on Dubz, as you townread NANOOK for doing nothing in Beans Mafia and look where that led you. But I might be more willing to listen to your read on RDB, so can you explain why they're town?
Oh no I got 1 out of 100s of these reads I do wrong
I also read Wilgy right
Yeah, a 50% success rate of a sample size of two ain't good enough. Especially when it should've been obvious that Epi was town, but water under the bridge I guess
Nobody has ever got a read wrong omg
At that point, it's not even a "read" but a refusal to read. How 'bout you actually tell me about RDB.
No it's a read.
DubZ was pure as snow.
It's just complaining about activity. AKA the easiest thing ever for wolves to post. I'm not even gonna push that because as I said RDB is far more relevant but come on. This same logic from you has thrown a game and I will not let it happen again as long as I'm alive.
