Severance [Evening Four]

[leetic]

the fact that we're ~all voting him is either really good, or really bad

#usefulthoughts

Hoping it's the former. Do you agree with me that Made/RDB is the most likely pairing?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Allright! This is what I like to see. I was hoping to get back to some wagons to do some analysis but this is also helpful.

I have been in the emergency room all night (Not me a friend) so I have had zero sleep and I am running on energy drinks. I dont really want to catch up so if anyone can summarize who pushed me, why and who followed after that would be appreciated.

I wont put much effort into defending myself other than to say I love snowing Mac so I dont kill him night 1, I was the person who helped WWA get TSP over by being the second vote making his wagon viable and then securing him later after doing some waganomics. WWA had me as IC do not push even in lylo and no one pushed me yesterday but after she is well in the ground now I am pushable. Lastly which I think is the most evident, If I am wolf I do not leave the 3 people pushing me ALL FUCKING GAME, who dont know my playstyle, who I am lease likely to be able to understand or snow and no meta on (leetic/ted/Gira) alive.

[RondoDimBuckle]

But now I am here and no longer being treated like a lock town I can finally wake and do my job of finding wolves

[leetic]

I was the person who helped WWA get TSP over by being the second vote making his wagon viable and then securing him later after doing some waganomics.

Weren't you trying to get me to vote pyxxy because "waganomics"?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I was the person who helped WWA get TSP over by being the second vote making his wagon viable and then securing him later after doing some waganomics.

Weren't you trying to get me to vote pyxxy because "waganomics"?

Yes, but that was so that I could ensure a drawn wagon for longer and to see if you would do it. I was always going to end the day with WWA the claimed PR who wanted TSP, in my head I still was second on the wagon even while jumping around to see what people did

[leetic]

I was the person who helped WWA get TSP over by being the second vote making his wagon viable and then securing him later after doing some waganomics.

Weren't you trying to get me to vote pyxxy because "waganomics"?

Yes, but that was so that I could ensure a drawn wagon for longer and to see if you would do it. I was always going to end the day with WWA the claimed PR who wanted TSP, in my head I still was second on the wagon even while jumping around to see what people did

What are your thoughts on DizzyMade?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Day 1 Vote:

leetic - Voters: pyxxy
robyn - Voters: leetic, Ranmilia, Dyslexicon(Made), MacDougall, Gira, TonyStarkPrime, WindwardAway, tedxtr
tedxtr - Voters: RondoDimBuckle, ☆Princess Abigail☆
No vote / Unvote - Voters: robyn, Bereft

Day 2 Vote:
Dubz / RondoDimBuckle - Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon(Made) - Voters: pyxxy
pyxxy - Voters: tedxtr, ☆Princess Abigail☆
TonyStarkPrime - Voters: Bereft, RondoDimBuckle, Gira, WindwardAway, leetic, Ranmilia

Day 3 Vote:
Dyslexicon / Made - Voters: pyxxy, Ranmilia
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Voters: Bereft
pyxxy - Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, Made, leetic, Gira, tedxtr

Current State of the game:
Dubz / RondoDimBuckle - Voters: tedxtr, Ranmilia, Gira, leetic, ☆Princess Abigail☆
Gira - Voters: Dizzy/Made



Lets start off with the easy option: Dizzy/Made. Two worlds

Dizzy/Made - Wolf off wagon who they know is going to flip down
Made - Town who is not fooled by whatever push is going on I am going to operate under the second one here because he and pyxxy were counter wagons with TSP so just locking Made town and moving from here

We have left the trio of Gira / Ted / Leetic - Leetic and Ted are both unresolved from D1, how did we get this far without resolving them? They both called PR, they are both unable to prove it. I believe Leetics more than Teds. So I would chop Ted > Gira > Leetic just off how I feel about the state of the game and how Leetic has been treating me all game and honestly been pushing town agenda fmpov when ever I am in thread.

Leaving Ranmillia and Abbi. I dont know any meta on Ranmillia, when ever I have seen them they have been kinda a blob for me but I was happy to just run with Abbi's plan. Abbi is the one who I do know and she has been happy to push a Mason between herself / Ran / Me and when Gira decided to attack that Masonry she decided to throw me under the bus which gave me huge ick feels.

So that leaves me with Made / Leetic as my town core Ran as lower town and a solve of ted /gira / abbi. If I was going to sort them it would still be the chop order of (ted > gira > abbi) or (gira > ted > abbi) atm. Considering Made is on Gira that makes my self pres easy [VOTE: Gira ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think I would prefer to resolve Ted over Gira but I dont have that option

[tedxtr]

how Leetic has been treating me all game

haven't you said wolves would push you? so why is he a villa for the way he was treating you, cuz he pushed you

similarly, why did you choose to clear me, for pushing you too

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok I need some breakfast and a shower but then I will be back to reskim day 1 and see if my world makes any sense

[tedxtr]

I think I would prefer to resolve Ted over Gira but I dont have that option

you could try if you wolf read me, there's people who'd want me dead

[tedxtr]

i've laid out things i've found shady for you, we really didn't talk a ton so it should be an easy catchup, can you read the thread and respond to my concerns please?

[RondoDimBuckle]

how Leetic has been treating me all game

haven't you said wolves would push you? so why is he a villa for the way he was treating you, cuz he pushed you

similarly, why did you choose to clear me, for pushing you too

Leetic hasnt let up. He has been on me every day phase demanding something of me when I am around. He only let up when WWA told him to. You backed off and then did nothing. Also I believe Leetic way more with the PR claim especially after that GLORIOUS reaction check today. I was cackling the whole time I was catching up. There is no world where Leetic is wolf for how he has been solving this game

[RondoDimBuckle]

i've laid out things i've found shady for you, we really didn't talk a ton so it should be an easy catchup, can you read the thread and respond to my concerns please?

I think I would prefer to resolve Ted over Gira but I dont have that option

you could try if you wolf read me, there's people who'd want me dead

I have called you a wolf, did you not read my post?

can you repost I will be right back

[tedxtr]

so it's wolfy when we push you, but leetic didn't let off, so he's villager

i've pushed you and i was wolf for it, did it for d2 and was villager for it, and now that i've stopped im a wolf

im really trying to make sense of it. you said you were pushed by wolves without meta, and you did, but you cleared both of us (me / leetic) for it and are now shady cuz we're doing it again? or why?

[tedxtr]

how Leetic has been treating me all game

haven't you said wolves would push you? so why is he a villa for the way he was treating you, cuz he pushed you

similarly, why did you choose to clear me, for pushing you too

Leetic hasnt let up. He has been on me every day phase demanding something of me when I am around. He only let up when WWA told him to. You backed off and then did nothing. Also I believe Leetic way more with the PR claim especially after that GLORIOUS reaction check today. I was cackling the whole time I was catching up. There is no world where Leetic is wolf for how he has been solving this game

so at first leetic / me / gira had to have a wolf cuz people without meta are more likely to push you as a wolf

you villa read leetic for always wolf reading you (direct contradiction), you villa read me d2 pretty strongly cuz a wolf wouldn't "keep pushing on you"

?

[tedxtr]

I fucking hate that both leetic and ted are on me since they are the same people from yesterday.

Actually. Fuck it, I am just going to slap a town read on them because no wolf would dumbass push me 2 days in a row with no evidence other than just my low hanging fruitness when other people in thread are more familiar with me so Ted/Leetic just town

[leetic]

Made's reaction test combined with my tracker result on Abby means that Abby/Made is almost certainly not a wolfteam.

[leetic]

So yeah, if Made is a wolf, it would almost certainly indict RDB, unless we're dealing with a Ranmilia or Gira world but I doubt we are (and Ranmilia/Made doesn't look like a viable wolfteam anyway)

[leetic]

As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful

[leetic]

Basically, if Abby is a wolf, someone else had to send the kill N3. Keep that in mind.

[tedxtr]

im ready to lose to leetic / abi

[leetic]

If Bereft is a wolf, it would likely have been a town role that killed him, and the fact that nobody claimed as such means it's very, very unlikely. Granted, there is the possibility of extra-thread shenanigans, but they don't seem to have affected the game this directly before

[RondoDimBuckle]

so it's wolfy when we push you, but leetic didn't let off, so he's villager

i've pushed you and i was wolf for it, did it for d2 and was villager for it, and now that i've stopped im a wolf

im really trying to make sense of it. you said you were pushed by wolves without meta, and you did, but you cleared both of us (me / leetic) for it and are now shady cuz we're doing it again? or why?

Quite simply yes, Its a bad look for a wolf to push a villager day after day. I let go of it D2 because I didnt think it was going to be helpful to tunnel my reads. I have not been as present as people like WWA. TSP was voting me at the time and none of you were so I wanted to focus on that. And yes, people who werent pushing me d2 and now pushing me d4 are suspicious to me, wouldnt they be to you?

how Leetic has been treating me all game

haven't you said wolves would push you? so why is he a villa for the way he was treating you, cuz he pushed you

similarly, why did you choose to clear me, for pushing you too

Leetic hasnt let up. He has been on me every day phase demanding something of me when I am around. He only let up when WWA told him to. You backed off and then did nothing. Also I believe Leetic way more with the PR claim especially after that GLORIOUS reaction check today. I was cackling the whole time I was catching up. There is no world where Leetic is wolf for how he has been solving this game

so at first leetic / me / gira had to have a wolf cuz people without meta are more likely to push you as a wolf

you villa read leetic for always wolf reading you (direct contradiction), you villa read me d2 pretty strongly cuz a wolf wouldn't "keep pushing on you"

?

Because the way leetic has been treating me is as something to solve. You just feel like you're trying to find as many faults as you can in the way I play and act which sorry to say is not going to make me roll over.

I fucking hate that both leetic and ted are on me since they are the same people from yesterday.

Actually. Fuck it, I am just going to slap a town read on them because no wolf would dumbass push me 2 days in a row with no evidence other than just my low hanging fruitness when other people in thread are more familiar with me so Ted/Leetic just town

Obviously I was wrong to give up on that read, because the same 3 people have been pushing me all game and one of them has to be doing it in bad faith. Not to mention an unresolved wagon from d1

Also I just realised that on top of pushing me d1, all 3 landed on Robyn.

robyn - Voters: leetic, Ranmilia, Dyslexicon(Made), MacDougall, Gira, TonyStarkPrime, WindwardAway, tedxtr

[RondoDimBuckle]

Made's reaction test combined with my tracker result on Abby means that Abby/Made is almost certainly not a wolfteam.

That fits with my worldview as well

[RondoDimBuckle]

So yeah, if Made is a wolf, it would almost certainly indict RDB, unless we're dealing with a Ranmilia or Gira world but I doubt we are (and Ranmilia/Made doesn't look like a viable wolfteam anyway)

So the reverse must be true

[leetic]

Made's reaction test combined with my tracker result on Abby means that Abby/Made is almost certainly not a wolfteam.

That fits with my worldview as well

Your worldview appears to be to narrow to fit any viable wolfteams though.

[RondoDimBuckle]

As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful

I wouldnt flip made at all tbh even though it would save me I would rather solve in ted/gira/abbi

[leetic]

So yeah, if Made is a wolf, it would almost certainly indict RDB, unless we're dealing with a Ranmilia or Gira world but I doubt we are (and Ranmilia/Made doesn't look like a viable wolfteam anyway)

So the reverse must be true

Eh. In this state, a bus isn't completely out of the question, and your clashes with people (besides perhaps ted) aren't as strong as those with DizzyMade

[RondoDimBuckle]

im ready to lose to leetic / abi

I dont know how they could be paired in the first place?

[RondoDimBuckle]

If Bereft is a wolf, it would likely have been a town role that killed him, and the fact that nobody claimed as such means it's very, very unlikely. Granted, there is the possibility of extra-thread shenanigans, but they don't seem to have affected the game this directly before

I am just treating him as a wolf kill / 3p / town, either way it changes nothing for kill associations and waganomics from a wolf pov

[leetic]

As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful

I wouldnt flip made at all tbh even though it would save me I would rather solve in ted/gira/abbi

Ted/Abby seems almost out of the question, so it would necessitate Gira being a wolf. But why, when they were the most steadfast and unwavering TSP voter out of those left alive?

[RondoDimBuckle]

As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful

I wouldnt flip made at all tbh even though it would save me I would rather solve in ted/gira/abbi

Ted/Abby seems almost out of the question, so it would necessitate Gira being a wolf. But why, when they were the most steadfast and unwavering TSP voter out of those left alive?

When in doubt go back to D1

[leetic]

As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful

I wouldnt flip made at all tbh even though it would save me I would rather solve in ted/gira/abbi

Ted/Abby seems almost out of the question, so it would necessitate Gira being a wolf. But why, when they were the most steadfast and unwavering TSP voter out of those left alive?

When in doubt go back to D1

I did, and strangely TSP didn't even interact with you or DizzyMade. Do you think there's a reason?

[RondoDimBuckle]

As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful

I wouldnt flip made at all tbh even though it would save me I would rather solve in ted/gira/abbi

Ted/Abby seems almost out of the question, so it would necessitate Gira being a wolf. But why, when they were the most steadfast and unwavering TSP voter out of those left alive?

When in doubt go back to D1

I did, and strangely TSP didn't even interact with you or DizzyMade. Do you think there's a reason?

I mean, I am re-reading D1 right now.

Lol pure wifom TSP seems to have wanted to frame me d2 or get me over so I am just going to stick with my current read and call made more town off this

[RondoDimBuckle]

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GTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appear

Hello friends. I love you all, and I love everything about you... equally.

GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly

Too soon for these reads imo

First thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.

lol, I didnt like your style at first leetic but its got its moments

[RondoDimBuckle]

wind you're doing the thing where you reactively omgus the first person to look at you funny again, just step off it because i don't need a massive slapfight immediately on day 1

Too soon for these reads imo

sure but does it actually say anything about their alignment to you?

Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.

In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.

it provokes good reactions even if it's forced, so no need to interrupt it. my lean is mafia doesn't take that approach but page 1 etc

I've seen mafia do it multiple times, as well as town, but it all depends on the player.

I dont like these posts

[RondoDimBuckle]

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This is not sus

[RondoDimBuckle]

There's plenty of solving going on, just have patience.

Such as?

Gira probably town for caring about thread health. [redacted] and [redacted] tentative good look for not knowing [redacted.]

if redacted is referring to what i think it is, that's a very good thought

What?

[RondoDimBuckle]

can’t accurately read anyone here just yet

You do know what GTH means right?

i do but i’ll give u the same answer, i don’t wanna prematurely make reads, i’m not even on laptop and i’ve not read you and windwards thing except like one or two random posts

i play primarily by intuition and i won’t forcefully move the needle, especially when we have a 3 day d1 essentially

if i had to guess

i can accurately read ran/wwa/bereft within 24-48h if not sooner

you can be town by aggressive play and generating discussion but like, what the hell do you expect, i’m not particularly entertained by your play and i’m almost certainly more aggressive, so you just exist and i’ll punish a drop off or punish bad reads but generally reward you being solvey

mac and dizzy i’m not chopping d1 here

blah blah idk who else has posted off the top of my head

if you don't have wind as town already lmao

not sure if TMI way too early to be calling people town

[RondoDimBuckle]

iunno i'm just shitposting

i'm gonna dayvig u

option 1) i ignore you 2) i insult you

which response did you want? i can't tell

i'm gonna dayvig u

Dont like this

[RondoDimBuckle]

also i have a rule this game, no playing drunk period

lol I guess you followed that rule

[RondoDimBuckle]

Not me thinking all of leetic's opening GTH reads were jokes

oof dubz what are you doing?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Not me thinking all of leetic's opening GTH reads were jokes

And do you have anything for us?

Nah, Brain Empty

lol, this is the first time I am actually reading the posts Dubz made, I havent read his ISO yet but fuck me hahah

[RondoDimBuckle]

leetic is right, we must solve the game as fast as possible, once dyslexicon starts posting nobody will be able to focus on solving, guys and girls and others alike

GTH town, I like the spunk. Still, what are you gonna do to help solve the game?

i have to ask you one thing first, are u comfortable with being called a twink?

@leetic

I already explained my conditions for answering that; you have yet to fulfill them.

you town
ran town
gira wolf

happy with my vote Robyn has good reads and I cant believe I missed this on my first pass through her ISO

[RondoDimBuckle]

their* his* idk

[RondoDimBuckle]

it’s that easy, Syndicate

bbl

sup br0s

A pretty casual way to enter a thread in which some conflict has already gone on, GTH town.

This is something both Mac AND Ender would tell me to put the tinfoil away for

[leetic]

leetic is right, we must solve the game as fast as possible, once dyslexicon starts posting nobody will be able to focus on solving, guys and girls and others alike

GTH town, I like the spunk. Still, what are you gonna do to help solve the game?

i have to ask you one thing first, are u comfortable with being called a twink?

@leetic

I already explained my conditions for answering that; you have yet to fulfill them.

you town
ran town
gira wolf

happy with my vote Robyn has good reads and I cant believe I missed this on my first pass through her ISO

Not just directed at you, but why is everyone trying to follow robyn's reads when they weren't there for like 90% of the game?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm useless until I've spewed enough fluff to be cozy. So forgive me if I ignore the fact that y'all have skipped over the shit-posting stage.

no we're just waiting for @MacDougall to give the thread its quota of shitty posts

lol but also potentially trying to tilt mac before he even enters the game

[leetic]

I mean, I sometimes have good reads D1, but they're never something I want people to bet the whole game on