Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud

Fine.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Nah it's true so

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nah it's true so

Not if you take the word "majority" seriously. That's, if I am generous, a gross exaggeration.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.

[Thunal33]

I do feel decent about JJJ this game. He's not just putting in effort, he's putting in a lot of pro-town effort and geenrating info for town so that's enough for a town lean.

I think this is an awful way to judge J3

He didn't say anything in isolation that made me think he was obvious town but I think it's good enough grounds for a townlean on day 1. He hasn't said anything that pinged me.

[S~V~S]

@Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.

"LAMIST" is not a thing, and the entire Mafia community would be well advised to stop saying it.

Of my 105ish posts, you'll probably find 10-20 that reference mechanics or provide general advice. Most of my posts are about reads. You may or may not like the reads, but that's what they are.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.

I'm too lazy to keep counting but I found 5 pretty quickly just opening your iso

I'd venture a guess if I kept counting I'd get 15 - 20 out of 100 posts

That's a lot

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do feel decent about JJJ this game. He's not just putting in effort, he's putting in a lot of pro-town effort and geenrating info for town so that's enough for a town lean.

I think this is an awful way to judge J3

He didn't say anything in isolation that made me think he was obvious town but I think it's good enough grounds for a townlean on day 1. He hasn't said anything that pinged me.

Mmmmm kay

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.

I'm too lazy to keep counting but I found 5 pretty quickly just opening your iso

I'd venture a guess if I kept counting I'd get 15 - 20 out of 100 posts

That's a lot

If that is a lot, then your standard is insane.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.

"LAMIST" is not a thing, and the entire Mafia community would be well advised to stop saying it.

Of my 105ish posts, you'll probably find 10-20 that reference mechanics or provide general advice. Most of my posts are about reads. You may or may not like the reads, but that's what they are.

LAMIST is most certainly a thing I've caught people off multiple times lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.

I'm too lazy to keep counting but I found 5 pretty quickly just opening your iso

I'd venture a guess if I kept counting I'd get 15 - 20 out of 100 posts

That's a lot

If that is a lot, then your standard is insane.

20 out of 100 is literally 1 out of 5

How is that not a lot lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

20 out of 100 is literally 1 out of 5

How is that not a lot lol

It pretends 80 of 100 do not exist. Mechanics are important. They warrant discussion. But painting my posts as some unreasonable amount of that is silly.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If I spent 20% of my posts on fluff I'd get told I am fluffing a lot

I know this cause it happens every game

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I spent 20% of my posts on fluff I'd get told I am fluffing a lot

I know this cause it happens every game

And those reads on you are bad reads, aren't they?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

[Thunal33]

@Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

Like, following up on the post somehow in the moment. You did ask what made him say that, but I'd expect a take on him from it or prodding him about other things to try to get a read.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If I spent 20% of my posts on fluff I'd get told I am fluffing a lot

I know this cause it happens every game

And those reads on you are bad reads, aren't they?

Annoying maybe but true I do fluff a lot

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

I voted for you a while back. This is my opportunity to talk to you. I am doing it.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I stand by my read that what you've done is easy to hide behind

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I spent 20% of my posts on fluff I'd get told I am fluffing a lot

I know this cause it happens every game

And those reads on you are bad reads, aren't they?

Annoying maybe but true I do fluff a lot

Does your "fluff" have any bearing on whether you are town or mafia?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

I voted for you a while back. This is my opportunity to talk to you. I am doing it.

But your not really talking to me your just telling me my thoughts are bad there's no line of communication

Your just telling me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I stand by my read that what you've done is easy to hide behind

That could well be true.

But why is that "very very suspicious" instead of NAI?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If I spent 20% of my posts on fluff I'd get told I am fluffing a lot

I know this cause it happens every game

And those reads on you are bad reads, aren't they?

Annoying maybe but true I do fluff a lot

Does your "fluff" have any bearing on whether you are town or mafia?

Yeah kinda.

The thing I get annoyed with isn't being accused of fluffing.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It's being told I'm not solving

[Thunal33]

Abi pushing Jay pretty much out of the gate feels like chaotic town Abi. Idk about Abi specifically but most mafia would be afraid to fight with Jay given his reputation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

I voted for you a while back. This is my opportunity to talk to you. I am doing it.

But your not really talking to me your just telling me my thoughts are bad there's no line of communication

Your just telling me

I will accept that calling your assertion "insane" is closed-minded. I should be kinder than that.

However, I am asking questions to sort the sincerity if your take. I am kind of baffled to be accused of fluff lmao

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I stand by my read that what you've done is easy to hide behind

That could well be true.

But why is that "very very suspicious" instead of NAI?

Because I think it's more likely to come from scum who's trying to hide behind things that will get L0 town reads and I've seen your scum game enough to know that you look towny off solving as wolf anyways so I can't read you town just cause you appear to be solving.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Abi pushing Jay pretty much out of the gate feels like chaotic town Abi. Idk about Abi specifically but most mafia would be afraid to fight with Jay given his reputation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I stand by my read that what you've done is easy to hide behind

That could well be true.

But why is that "very very suspicious" instead of NAI?

Because I think it's more likely to come from scum who's trying to hide behind things that will get L0 town reads and I've seen your scum game enough to know that you look towny off solving as wolf anyways so I can't read you town just cause you appear to be solving.

See the orange part makes perfect sense. I don't fault you for not town reading me. I'm just not understanding how it progressed to suspecting me of being mafia -- unless you're equating those two things in your process.

Anyway you're probably town, so I am going to find someone else to vote for.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

I voted for you a while back. This is my opportunity to talk to you. I am doing it.

But your not really talking to me your just telling me my thoughts are bad there's no line of communication

Your just telling me

I will accept that calling your assertion "insane" is closed-minded. I should be kinder than that.

However, I am asking questions to sort the sincerity if your take. I am kind of baffled to be accused of fluff lmao

I never said fluff did I

I don't think you are fluffing. I think you are hiding behind content that is ready to produce for about 20% of your posts that looks extremely towny but isn't and it bothers me that your being town cleared by everyone and concerns me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyways Cape is wolfy

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I stand by my read that what you've done is easy to hide behind

That could well be true.

But why is that "very very suspicious" instead of NAI?

Because I think it's more likely to come from scum who's trying to hide behind things that will get L0 town reads and I've seen your scum game enough to know that you look towny off solving as wolf anyways so I can't read you town just cause you appear to be solving.

See the orange part makes perfect sense. I don't fault you for not town reading me. I'm just not understanding how it progressed to suspecting me of being mafia -- unless you're equating those two things in your process.

Anyway you're probably town, so I am going to find someone else to vote for.

I said I'm very very suspicious of you

I don't think I've outright called you mafia

I think it's concerning.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I said I'm very very suspicious of you

I don't think I've outright called you mafia

I think it's concerning.

I'd have viewed those things as essentially the same, but I can accept if you don't view them that way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Thunal33, I don't recall you engaging with my read on you so far. I have held you consistently at null and even lent a local endorsement to a 2-vote wagon that appeared on you very quickly. What do you make of my read on you, and what has held you back from talking about that (or, if you have, please point the way)?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[solid town reads]
Long Con
Bereft

[mostly town reads]
robyn
LoRab

[town leans]
DarlingMonroe
Cape90
Princess Abigail

[town in theory, but placed in purgatory until further notice]
Scotty

Others all null or unknown

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I said I'm very very suspicious of you

I don't think I've outright called you mafia

I think it's concerning.

I'd have viewed those things as essentially the same, but I can accept if you don't view them that way.

I do not suspicion implies paranoia and tinfoil not outright accusation

[Long Con]

@Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

Check his on-brand.

[Cape90]

[solid town reads]
Long Con
Bereft

[mostly town reads]
robyn
LoRab

[town leans]
DarlingMonroe
Cape90

[town in theory, but placed in purgatory until further notice]
Scotty

Others all null or unknown

What makes you confident on Bereft?

[Cape90]

Scotty reads entirely civ to me. Even though he needs to stop padding his post count. That always makes me suspish of people, although I know that isn't a tell for you. But I'm reading you as civ other than that.

This is NAI activity and Scotty usually posts a lot

Hmm...I don't like this

Am I talking to the same Princess Abigail?

[Thunal33]

@Thunal33, I don't recall you engaging with my read on you so far. I have held you consistently at null and even lent a local endorsement to a 2-vote wagon that appeared on you very quickly. What do you make of my read on you, and what has held you back from talking about that (or, if you have, please point the way)?

I didn't even know you still had me as null since it's been a bit since your most recent list. I thought it made sense before my SVS push since I didn't make a whole lot of different early reads or really AI content, but right now I am a little surprised you don't have me as at least a town lean. I think I've given enough content to show my alignment and I think my willingness to prod and engage with people is towny.

I don't think I've held back from talking about it though, I just don't have much to talk about because it's a null read. I thought it would change once I got more involved with the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What makes you confident on Bereft?

That's a good question, and it might be difficult to explain. I'll try.

I believe Bereft is playing the game from the mindset of a town solver. While his writing style can make him a bit difficult to parse, perhaps, I think there is a lot of good, concrete solving right there for the taking in his ISO. When I asked for a top three town, he gave me five. He was the first to vote for Thunal when I was inwardly considering her as a vote candidate. I think his process seems believable, and he is playing with nuance. I also really liked his resistance to my interest in voting for S~V~S. He said at one point that he has full confidence in me, but he isn't just rolling over and letting me do whatever I want -- he is willing to disagree, even on reads that might challenge my fundamental view of the game, and I just find him to be handling business the right way.

I might have just talked myself into a darker green color, frankly. I'll slow my roll.

[Thunal33]

I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing for your (JJJ) alignment though. It would be easy for mafia JJJ to townread me to try to pocket me, or push me if he thought he had a chance of getting me over. I think the former would be more likely.

[Cape90]

Jay is such a high poster, and with not much filler, that I think inherently he tends to be town voice. Even if he’s not town lol

I think I’m slightly suspicious that I am his top town read, but that’s a me problem. I’m down to listen to his scum reads however

I'm very very suspicious of J3

Why?

Cause I'm good at this game and nothing you've done is clearing.

A great majority of your posts are just telling people information about the game which is easy for scum to hide behind and look towny in the eyes of people L0

Just want to point out that nobody has "done anything clearing"

Thought S~V~S's return was alright

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

Deciding between you/Thunal tbh

[Bereft]

Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

Your posts are extremely irritating, madam.
Mhm yes, makes 100 posts, gets shaded by a player who admits to not reading any of them critically, yeah I know I'd be so happy after that one, and totally not give in to natural impulses.

[Cape90]

i'm kinda regretting my life choices cuz idk if wolf vocally susses JJJ of all people here

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I didn't even know you still had me as null since it's been a bit since your most recent list. I thought it made sense before my SVS push since I didn't make a whole lot of different early reads or really AI content, but right now I am a little surprised you don't have me as at least a town lean. I think I've given enough content to show my alignment and I think my willingness to prod and engage with people is towny.

I don't think I've held back from talking about it though, I just don't have much to talk about because it's a null read. I thought it would change once I got more involved with the game.

I think your posts have been "fine", in the sense that the reads you've made and explanations you've given aren't inherently problematic. I appreciate your involvement even if I don't have a strong impression about it. That is probably what has me stuck at null: for whatever reason, I am not feeling your posts. Even when they're significant (e.g., suspecting and voting for S~V~S), they feel deadpan to me. There may not be much you can do about that.

Just keep doing your thing, and eventually I'll make up my mind.

[Cape90]

If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.

i think it draws huge attention to him and makes it so that mafia see him as a threat which is what I like too call

self resolving

[Thunal33]

i'm kinda regretting my life choices cuz idk if wolf vocally susses JJJ of all people here

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

What happened here? Earlier you had me as good. Is there something in particular that pinged you?