Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[Scotty]

I don't view DM's vote for Bereft as problematic. Hell, it's even nice to break up one of the game's premier tinfoils (her being teamed with Bereft). She has a suspicion and pursued it.

I will ask @DarlingMonroe one question, however: why Bereft instead of one of your other suspects? S~V~S, LoRab, and Michelle have all had more traction in the poll today.

My vote on Bereft was still when the votes were split and their was no clear target; obviously that changed so did my vote.

Understood, thanks. I recall Scotty was also on Bereft, so he was "viable" by the numbers.

And I’d still mark it.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel like you don't know what I call town then

[Thunal33]

Be more open-minded to different approaches to town play. Just because you don't understand them, does not make them any less valid or correct.

...

I feel like that's exactly the kind of post you usually respond to with "town"
[/quote]

Tbh that exchange made me feel better about Abi

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyways I'm gone

Probs be back before EoD just to vote and dip can't really be around the rest of the day

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I feel like you don't know what I call town then

Probably true

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rondo does not care about the roof.

[DarlingMonroe]

Rondo does not care about the roof.

Roof? I thought this was football/soccer.

[Thunal33]

Wow, I literally just realized it's not EoD. That's a momentary relief.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rondo does not care about the roof.

Roof? I thought this was football/soccer.

It's a very old local meme.

[Thunal33]

I definitely did not make sure I could make EoD and play the entire phase thinking EoD was now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@RondoDimBuckle why is this Don't Starve 2.0?

If I am the same player now that I was in that game, what is the connection? What about me brings you back to that game?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you

You literally possess a vote of your own

[Scotty]

"Oh I actionable yanked the Dallas was under. I can’t be large for this sticky EoD. sigh

I’m flashlight to justifying to put cough on BouncingBananaBat.

And for Thunerific to guard why DazzlingMonroe's token was diffusive but mine wasn't

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Which I will cast at EoD

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Which I will cast at EoD

I have never seen you do this in my life.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Thunal33 if you town read S~V~S and Michelle, then given our prior dialogue about what you described as "our POE":

[Michelle, S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, ts account, Abigail]

Your team theory would have to be exactly the last four names. Is that where you are? That doesn't strike me as a comfortable game state, but you seem comfortable to me.

I still think that PoE has at least two mafia and likely three.

I don't think the game is super easy, but I don't think it's impossibly hard either. I do think town is controlling the thread and I like to assume easier worlds first.

Who do you think are the most likely mafia not in that group?

DM or Rondo, maybe an outside chance of Wilgy but I like his posting.

DM or Thunal for this suggestion

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Get your doom off JumpyJimmyJazz and tickle on a bracket

sure

[VOTE: Scotty ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

Seriously, You cant see that JJJ is just going for low posters? He isnt even trying to find the wolves in the high posters

[Cape90]

what is going on?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo is a valid possibility if I have a wrong town read. Something feels a bit off overall, so I am exploring my town reads looking for problems.

The truth is that Rondo hasn't actually done anything towny. He has just done things that resemble his past town body (and he knows how he comes across, so the value of that should be tempered).

Here it is, JJJ gets me on side then back stabs me. But I was never on side

[Cape90]

Anyways, I think DrWigly is town for the way he handled EOD yesterday

@DrWilgy Can I ask why you scumread robyn? They are probably my top townread right now

Robyn is aware enough to point out that I've observed the dichotomy between them and Bereft. Energy level is not what I associate with T Robyn. Movement on poll is very forceful.

If they get a pelt doing as they do, fine, but until they flip someone, or flip themselves, it's hard to not observe such a heavy hand with interactions as such with Bereft and not see it as knowing.

I tinfoil a robyn J3 world.

Thoughts?

I will tell you right now, I am confident it's not robyn

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo does not care about the roof.

What?

JJJ / Thunal / Scotty + 1

if I have to remove cape. Id still rather cape but I get why Robyn wants it removed.

That leaves on in SVs/DM/TS

[Cape90]

the dichotomy between me and bereft is old news, currently the relationship between me and cape is far more important and relevant

Cape is like probably never wolf tbh

If you're wolf your trying very hard to make yourself look paired but it's too much.

If your town... your probably just right.

So like yeah cool

Did you get this read off of robyn's treatment of me or was it me townreading you? If I wasn't townreading you, would you still have me as town?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle why is this Don't Starve 2.0?

If I am the same player now that I was in that game, what is the connection? What about me brings you back to that game?

Where is the actual outcome? Youve been bullshitting around why people are town then you vote a low poster. Where are the reasons why lorab is wolf? Who is lorab with? Who is lorab protecting? Who is lorab trying to push over disingenuously. I can point that out for you.

[Cape90]

feels like i have been gone forever

what's going on, i have to somewhat dip out soon but i will do a lil bit either real time or catching up

sorry if i become frozen and dont respond to every single message rondo throws at me

What is your immediate reaction to the following solve?

Michelle, S~V~S, LoRab, and ts account as the team of four

Scotty and Abigail as the first alternates

I think that's a good solve, I think Abby is hitting her town notes, but i have misread her before, but I do highly think her push on me day 1 was in good faith as backwards as that sounds

What town Notes am I hitting

Felt like the way you were navigating the game was kinda towny to me. I have slight worries about you going out of your way to pocket people who townread you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@RondoDimBuckle why is this Don't Starve 2.0?

If I am the same player now that I was in that game, what is the connection? What about me brings you back to that game?

Where is the actual outcome? Youve been bullshitting around why people are town then you vote a low poster. Where are the reasons why lorab is wolf? Who is lorab with? Who is lorab protecting? Who is lorab trying to push over disingenuously. I can point that out for you.

LoRab has 16 posts and none of them since Wednesday, so expecting concrete WOLF THINGS to answer all those questions is fundamentally nonsense. I provided reasons to suspect her already (notably, doubts about her initial town reads and a penchant for overwrought explanation), as well as extensive POE work that leads me there. I could be wrong as I could with any read, but reducing everything I have done to "bullshitting around" is at worst a gross misrepresentation and at best an indicator that you have no idea how I play Mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Seriously, You cant see that JJJ is just going for low posters? He isnt even trying to find the wolves in the high posters

This is offensive. Don't talk about my posts if you don't read them.

[Cape90]

OK, I had a pretty ugly day yesterday, it involved going to another state to help a family member in an emergency. Everyone is all right, I picked up my dog and am back home. It could have been worse, it was the next state over, but still. Didn't have much time for Mafia.

Will try to catch up to why I have 3 votes, but I'm shot. Gonna make some coffee and be back in a bit, to read my @'s and try to catch up at least somewhat.

Hi, sorry to hear that, but happy to see everyone is alright in ur situation <3

I was pinged by how you started the day by defending yourself which is mostly why i have stayed on you

[Cape90]

Spoiler: show

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

I think Abby's Bereft and JJJ takes are towny, even though I highly disagree with the JJJ take at the very least

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I have any concern about the LoRab wagon: if there's validity in the POE, the mafia still have agency in choosing who dies in the POE (meaning they can push for a town player with sheer voting power). Perhaps in that sense it's a bit relieving that the only POE names on the current wagon are Michelle and Thunal (almost simultaneously). Most of the others I suspect haven't voted yet.

This post is a bit pointless, I am just thinking out loud.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Seriously, You cant see that JJJ is just going for low posters? He isnt even trying to find the wolves in the high posters

This is offensive. Don't talk about my posts if you don't read them.

Sorry Rondo, I shouldn't be quite this jerky. I get a bit frustrated when I work hard and it's treated like it's meaningless, but you have the right to your read.

[Cape90]

Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.

Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.

Hey this and S~V~S's return is indeed scummy

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Whenever I am wolf, I usually make these type of bad WIFOM arguments when I am usually not the one controlling the NKs anyways so it's kinda just bad

Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.

Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.

Why? Fluff my ego.

I’m fairly sure you can read me better than most people in this thread.

I also don’t have high confidence of maintaining a facade long term with you. Which would be my weakness rather than your strength, so fluff away.

Yes even with this

Okay but who comes into the thread IMMEDIATELY into a day proclaiming they aren't mafia because WIFOM? Doesn't sound like a towny thing to me

I do.

I was pleased to see Rondo show up to play, and not happy that he was eyeing me. And what I said was 100% true, and really aimed mainly at Rondo. If I were bad I would have pushed hard to kill him. I realize if i were bad, I wouldn't be the only decision maker, killing is a team call. But I tend to be a strong (read bossy) presence in baddie chat.

If I were bad I would find Rondo the biggest threat to me personally. And I do think he knows this.

Also, I don't spend alot of time worrying about what sounds "towny" since that seems to fluctuate, and be based on individual opinion.

Like to me, it felt like your focus was in on the wrong place for specifically a pop in for a start of a day

But this does give a decent amount of insight so thanks for that

Not sure if majority is a thing so I will stay on you as a pussy move for now LOL

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will expand on my current Seanzie vote, because I understand it's the kind of thing that will elicit one of the following responses from the majority of players:

1) grumble grumble why vote for someone that hasn't said anything
2) wow Jay opportunistic easy target very sus
3) that provides no information, dumb dumb

The actual rationale:

-- POE is leading me to a situation where it seems likely the zero posters includes a mafia member. I have too many town reads (to varying degrees) otherwise.
-- My blind interaction analysis suggested that the active players broadly don't fit together very well except in highly specific (and thus, unlikely) combinations

So that's why I would vote for [zero poster].

Beyond that, I even chose a specific zero poster for a reason, though I acknowledge this is considerably less important and more "technical". It's entirely possible that none of Seanzie, ts account, and Rondo are aware of the game yet. That might be most likely. But if we assume for the sake of argument that any of them has seen their role card, then we must ask which one is most likely to say nothing as mafia?

Rondo? Hell no. He'll talk.
ts account? No clue, really.
Seanzie? Yes, he'd wait around. He actually did in Don't Starve (albeit to a lesser extent, he posted 11 hours after game start).

It's hard for something like this to feel inspired, I understand. But I wanted to explain why I voted, because there's more reasoning than one might assume.

You helped begin the seanzie wagon. Seanzie went over. You did not end on Seanzie you ended on Michelle. You are now pushing Lorab another low poster. I imagine you are going to move before the end of the day and let town people forget you even helped start the push.

[RondoDimBuckle]

back to [VOTE: jjj ] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You helped begin the seanzie wagon. Seanzie went over. You did not end on Seanzie you ended on Michelle. You are now pushing Lorab another low poster. I imagine you are going to move before the end of the day and let town people forget you even helped start the push.

I have made no secret about my contribution to the Seanzie wagon. I even reaffirmed it today when Wilgy spoke of it.

I don't actually think there's a problem with voting out inactive players in any strategic sense, and when people rail against it they're being emotional instead of rational.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Objectively it is correct to kill Michelle here. Because Michelle is the counter wagon. We get the most information from voters. JJJ is going for NOT the counter wagon and another low poster. Lorab could be wolf. But I read them as town. So I can only see the push as another attempt to get one closer to lylo

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Objectively it is correct to kill Michelle here. Because Michelle is the counter wagon. We get the most information from voters. JJJ is going for NOT the counter wagon and another low poster. Lorab could be wolf. But I read them as town. So I can only see the push as another attempt to get one closer to lylo

That is not "objectively correct". Treating any elimination as "objective" without a mechanical basis is objectively incorrect. I would chop Michelle though. I'm pretty much back to [Michelle, LoRab, S~V~S, ts account].

[RondoDimBuckle]

You helped begin the seanzie wagon. Seanzie went over. You did not end on Seanzie you ended on Michelle. You are now pushing Lorab another low poster. I imagine you are going to move before the end of the day and let town people forget you even helped start the push.

I have made no secret about my contribution to the Seanzie wagon. I even reaffirmed it today when Wilgy spoke of it.

I don't actually think there's a problem with voting out inactive players in any strategic sense, and when people rail against it they're being emotional instead of rational.

I love the attempts to paint me as the emotional one that is wailing "oh wont somebody think of the children" when you are the one trying to ATE

Seriously, You cant see that JJJ is just going for low posters? He isnt even trying to find the wolves in the high posters

This is offensive. Don't talk about my posts if you don't read them.

Sorry Rondo, I shouldn't be quite this jerky. I get a bit frustrated when I work hard and it's treated like it's meaningless, but you have the right to your read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I love the attempts to paint me as the emotional one that is wailing "oh wont somebody think of the children" when you are the one trying to ATE
[/quote]

If you had a clue how I play, you'd know beyond any measure of doubt that I do not use "ATE" as a strategy. Ever. As any alignment. It's despicable.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Objectively it is correct to kill Michelle here. Because Michelle is the counter wagon. We get the most information from voters. JJJ is going for NOT the counter wagon and another low poster. Lorab could be wolf. But I read them as town. So I can only see the push as another attempt to get one closer to lylo

That is not "objectively correct". Treating any elimination as "objective" without a mechanical basis is objectively incorrect. I would chop Michelle though. I'm pretty much back to [Michelle, LoRab, S~V~S, ts account].

Youve been playing mafia long enough to know I am right. Chop / counter chop. Get information on who is on what wagons. Re-assess. Chop again. Chop town leader (if still no wolves). Assess. That is the most objectively correct mafia play for the most information on what wolves were doing. If Mac / Alison / Ender were in here they would say you are objectively incorrect for saying its objectively incorrect

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:30 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
1
9%
Voters: Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
5
45%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, JaggedJimmyJay, Michelle, robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Who isnt voting here?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Objectively it is correct to kill Michelle here. Because Michelle is the counter wagon. We get the most information from voters. JJJ is going for NOT the counter wagon and another low poster. Lorab could be wolf. But I read them as town. So I can only see the push as another attempt to get one closer to lylo

That is not "objectively correct". Treating any elimination as "objective" without a mechanical basis is objectively incorrect. I would chop Michelle though. I'm pretty much back to [Michelle, LoRab, S~V~S, ts account].

Youve been playing mafia long enough to know I am right. Chop / counter chop. Get information on who is on what wagons. Re-assess. Chop again. Chop town leader (if still no wolves). Assess. That is the most objectively correct mafia play for the most information on what wolves were doing. If Mac / Alison / Ender were in here they would say you are objectively incorrect for saying its objectively incorrect

I've been playing long enough to know that is entirely too basic to be correct. Mafia is a dynamic, multi-faceted, and ultimately subjective enterprise. You're welcome to believe that and play that way, but I never have and probably never will.

[Cape90]

Every time DM posts, I love DM again.

yeah I find her posts really towny today. Would be surprised if they jumped from Severance town to this as mafia just because it feels like she leveled up her play here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who isnt voting here?

Abigail, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account, Bereft

[Cape90]

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

not sure when EOD is but I feel better about voting someone who... has actually been here today

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

not sure when EOD is but I feel better about voting someone who... has actually been here today

We have just under four hours.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the single read in this game that gives me the most faith is Wilgy's read on Michelle.