Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[RondoDimBuckle]

Actually, what would be really helpful to the game. Please everyone here do it:

If Michelle wolf:
who team? x3

If Michelle town:
who team x4?

Of those teams who is most likely to be playing as which are most likely to be which wolf?

if michelle town then

abbie pretty much lockscum and powerwolfed eod here and thunal/jjj town as consequence

then it's like scotty

x/x

and well i'm already tr'ing jjj/thunal

pls explain

[Bereft]

And yes, I do take the 5 I listed as all town. I'd describe all of them as game solvers, ergo town as an additional consequence, and that's extremely valuable.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Perhaps robyn is right that Abigail should be in the non-Michelle team. Her arbitrary confidence this evening would need explained.

[Bereft]

Robyn is just copying my current solve of scotty/abby/LoRab/ts acc :P

[robyn]

Actually, what would be really helpful to the game. Please everyone here do it:

If Michelle wolf:
who team? x3

If Michelle town:
who team x4?

Of those teams who is most likely to be playing as which are most likely to be which wolf?

if michelle town then

abbie pretty much lockscum and powerwolfed eod here and thunal/jjj town as consequence

then it's like scotty

x/x

and well i'm already tr'ing jjj/thunal

pls explain

jjj/thunal had townreads on abbie that could not have come from tmi.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bleh. I feel good about my POE, but it is extremely hard to determine who the best vote is within it. My chief concern is that any town flip in that group (especially but not exclusively Michelle) probably encourages the mafia to leave me alive, and then Day 3 is a hot mess of Jay terror.

Need to get this one right to keep the game functioning.

[Bereft]

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

[Cape90]

i forgot to switch my vote to thunal all that time. oops

though reread michelle and not super opposed because the ramblings she did just kinda felt like ramblings and the way she swapped a bunch of reads around kinda pinged me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How do we feel about the possibility of Abigail bussing Michelle?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Perhaps robyn is right that Abigail should be in the non-Michelle team. Her arbitrary confidence this evening would need explained.

with a setup where we cant talk. I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. But it will require her flip if it doesnt pan out. Even though I town read her anyway

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

I have a growing instinct that Scotty is town. What do you think is the most important indicator that he is not?

[robyn]

Bleh. I feel good about my POE, but it is extremely hard to determine who the best vote is within it. My chief concern is that any town flip in that group (especially but not exclusively Michelle) probably encourages the mafia to leave me alive, and then Day 3 is a hot mess of Jay terror.

Need to get this one right to keep the game functioning.

just to show you the light

if it's a town flip, there will be another nonsense kill, and i have control over cape/bereft

i could almost certainly flip you

but that's not how things will go down, i believe you're town and i'll use my iron fist and prevent tinfoil. even though that entire cycle will have to be played on a knifes edge by you taking a particularly good look at me and etc

something something i have faith in you and it's genuine, and you won't have to go in full defend mode d3

[RondoDimBuckle]

Actually, what would be really helpful to the game. Please everyone here do it:

If Michelle wolf:
who team? x3

If Michelle town:
who team x4?

Of those teams who is most likely to be playing as which are most likely to be which wolf?

if michelle town then

abbie pretty much lockscum and powerwolfed eod here and thunal/jjj town as consequence

then it's like scotty

x/x

and well i'm already tr'ing jjj/thunal

pls explain

jjj/thunal had townreads on abbie that could not have come from tmi.

quote pls?

[robyn]

How do we feel about the possibility of Abigail bussing Michelle?

(she's a chronic busser)

[Cape90]

I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly

I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?

robyn is probably technically the towniest person here, I have liked their solving and they have not pinged me, I was kinda offput day 1 by them just playing differently in general, but they are playing in the best interest of town today IMO

Being a person who has wolfcased Bereft correctly Bereft once, doesn't feel like his wolf game and I also think...

Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.

this sort of self-righteousness is towny to me

I think Bereft's dynamic with robyn is probably towny unless w/w which I honestly highly doubt because of how on the nose they have been supporting each other

Did you wolfcase me correctly in the game where shadow bussed me D1? Like, I don't get correctly wolfcased ever.

i let it go, and it was literally a page 1 thing, but technically yes

[RondoDimBuckle]

I still think that the current state is a. might lead to a v flip if people aren't too careful, and b. if a v flips, J³ dies, leaves a much much more $%#!ed game, because at that point, me/robyn/cape/thunal/rondo have to actually start block voting meaningfully. Even if we do get a w flip, J³ dies, we probably should be more cognizant about not encouraging chaos.

So you think none of us are trying to get to a mischop?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bleh. I feel good about my POE, but it is extremely hard to determine who the best vote is within it. My chief concern is that any town flip in that group (especially but not exclusively Michelle) probably encourages the mafia to leave me alive, and then Day 3 is a hot mess of Jay terror.

Need to get this one right to keep the game functioning.

just to show you the light

if it's a town flip, there will be another nonsense kill, and i have control over cape/bereft

i could almost certainly flip you

but that's not how things will go down, i believe you're town and i'll use my iron fist and prevent tinfoil. even though that entire cycle will have to be played on a knifes edge by you taking a particularly good look at me and etc

something something i have faith in you and it's genuine, and you won't have to go in full defend mode d3

Acknowledged.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

I have a growing instinct that Scotty is town. What do you think is the most important indicator that he is not?

I thought he was town yesterday after I re-read but the fact that he is gobbldygooked makes me more likely to think he is wolf

[robyn]

Spoiler: show

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

The best point Abigail made, perhaps, was one I have inwardly considered but not posted to my memory:

Scotty being targeted by the curse when numerous [people viewed as town reads] were left alive increases the [subjective] probability of him being mafia.

Actually, does anyone else know about Abi's stance on killing low/no posters in general?

I'm tinfoiling a you/JJJ possibly Bereft and Thunal team that just decided to power wolf this game to death

What's your read on me? I'd expect me to stick out a lot to you since afaik I was the only vote on you.

Spoiler: show

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

nvm about my question to Abi, I didn't see the list.

I feel like Abi is a wolf only if JJJ's PoE is correct or at least very close. The thing that easily sticks out to me is the JJJ read and how she believes the game is hard. She doesn't have a lot of concrete reasons for JJJ's work to be bad, she just thinks it is and thinks its surface level. If the game isn't hard and is actually really good for town, I can see wolf Abi trying to discredit JJJ's solving and push back against a correct PoE.

But if the PoE is good for wolves, there's no reason to lash out like that or talk about how hard the game is when nobody else is doing that. I think town Abi could also believe the game is hard and I don't think it's wolfy for her in a vacuum.

Spoiler: show

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

nvm about my question to Abi, I didn't see the list.

I feel like Abi is a wolf only if JJJ's PoE is correct or at least very close. The thing that easily sticks out to me is the JJJ read and how she believes the game is hard. She doesn't have a lot of concrete reasons for JJJ's work to be bad, she just thinks it is and thinks its surface level. If the game isn't hard and is actually really good for town, I can see wolf Abi trying to discredit JJJ's solving and push back against a correct PoE.

But if the PoE is good for wolves, there's no reason to lash out like that or talk about how hard the game is when nobody else is doing that. I think town Abi could also believe the game is hard and I don't think it's wolfy for her in a vacuum.

@JaggedJimmyJay

@RondoDimBuckle

just, not partnered

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...
‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

I have a growing instinct that Scotty is town. What do you think is the most important indicator that he is not?

I thought he was town yesterday after I re-read but the fact that he is gobbldygooked makes me more likely to think he is wolf

I agree with that in a probabilistic sense. I just think he has kind of done a great job under the circumstances of that gobbledygook. He hasn't backed down at all from trying to make a difference, and I think he has seemed as genuine as someone can through a wall of nonsense.

I could be wrong. It's a dangerous vibe read. But I do like the vibe.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Bleh. I feel good about my POE, but it is extremely hard to determine who the best vote is within it. My chief concern is that any town flip in that group (especially but not exclusively Michelle) probably encourages the mafia to leave me alive, and then Day 3 is a hot mess of Jay terror.

Need to get this one right to keep the game functioning.

just to show you the light

if it's a town flip, there will be another nonsense kill, and i have control over cape/bereft

i could almost certainly flip you

but that's not how things will go down, i believe you're town and i'll use my iron fist and prevent tinfoil. even though that entire cycle will have to be played on a knifes edge by you taking a particularly good look at me and etc

something something i have faith in you and it's genuine, and you won't have to go in full defend mode d3

I mean he will from me but maybe we will be saved by a hero shot. Or someone from the poe being removed and them being wolf to give us more focus

[Bereft]

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

I have a growing instinct that Scotty is town. What do you think is the most important indicator that he is not?

Unironically if I were to look only at recent posts, its the fact that he has voted me today.

Its not a worldview that makes sense. You don't think I'm w without thinking robyn is w.

Granted Scotty could just be playing not very well, but this is not the explanation I ever want to resort to.

Anybody who thinks Scotty is v also has to think Scotty is being framed right now because of there being more sensible targets. I don't really know that I believe the mafia tried to frame Scotty.

I also thought LoRab/Scotty interactions were bad and not good when I looked.

[Bereft]

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...
‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

XDXDXDXDXDXD

[Thunal33]

I feel quite a bit better about Rondo now. Him giving up his solve and reconsidering I think is towny for him and unnecessary if he's wolf.

[robyn]

Spoiler: show

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

The best point Abigail made, perhaps, was one I have inwardly considered but not posted to my memory:

Scotty being targeted by the curse when numerous [people viewed as town reads] were left alive increases the [subjective] probability of him being mafia.

Actually, does anyone else know about Abi's stance on killing low/no posters in general?

I'm tinfoiling a you/JJJ possibly Bereft and Thunal team that just decided to power wolf this game to death

What's your read on me? I'd expect me to stick out a lot to you since afaik I was the only vote on you.

Spoiler: show

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

nvm about my question to Abi, I didn't see the list.

I feel like Abi is a wolf only if JJJ's PoE is correct or at least very close. The thing that easily sticks out to me is the JJJ read and how she believes the game is hard. She doesn't have a lot of concrete reasons for JJJ's work to be bad, she just thinks it is and thinks its surface level. If the game isn't hard and is actually really good for town, I can see wolf Abi trying to discredit JJJ's solving and push back against a correct PoE.

But if the PoE is good for wolves, there's no reason to lash out like that or talk about how hard the game is when nobody else is doing that. I think town Abi could also believe the game is hard and I don't think it's wolfy for her in a vacuum.

Spoiler: show

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

nvm about my question to Abi, I didn't see the list.

I feel like Abi is a wolf only if JJJ's PoE is correct or at least very close. The thing that easily sticks out to me is the JJJ read and how she believes the game is hard. She doesn't have a lot of concrete reasons for JJJ's work to be bad, she just thinks it is and thinks its surface level. If the game isn't hard and is actually really good for town, I can see wolf Abi trying to discredit JJJ's solving and push back against a correct PoE.

But if the PoE is good for wolves, there's no reason to lash out like that or talk about how hard the game is when nobody else is doing that. I think town Abi could also believe the game is hard and I don't think it's wolfy for her in a vacuum.

@JaggedJimmyJay

@RondoDimBuckle

just, not partnered

basically, i have a better grasp on the game than jjj (concerning townies) which makes me extremely self assured, but after seeing abbie's posting i had doubt about jjj (however i resolved that doubt lol). jjj having that doubt after me is particularly town indicative

i expect good townies, the best even, to come to certain things after me and i check their towniness against following my own observations about the gamestate and my own understanding. jjj has done that many many times this game. and this is another example which also unapairs him from abbie

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

I have a growing instinct that Scotty is town. What do you think is the most important indicator that he is not?

I thought he was town yesterday after I re-read but the fact that he is gobbldygooked makes me more likely to think he is wolf

I agree with that in a probabilistic sense. I just think he has kind of done a great job under the circumstances of that gobbledygook. He hasn't backed down at all from trying to make a difference, and I think he has seemed as genuine as someone can through a wall of nonsense.

I could be wrong. It's a dangerous vibe read. But I do like the vibe.

see he was in danger of going over yesterday and people have let up on him today. I see it as entierly possible wolves thought they could buy a day from it. But its pure wifom

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

I have a growing instinct that Scotty is town. What do you think is the most important indicator that he is not?

Unironically if I were to look only at recent posts, its the fact that he has voted me today.

Its not a worldview that makes sense. You don't think I'm w without thinking robyn is w.

Granted Scotty could just be playing not very well, but this is not the explanation I ever want to resort to.

Anybody who thinks Scotty is v also has to think Scotty is being framed right now because of there being more sensible targets. I don't really know that I believe the mafia tried to frame Scotty.

I also thought LoRab/Scotty interactions were bad and not good when I looked.

I mean low key I think one of you might have the other fooled but we've already lost the game if that is true as well. Because then the other will shield cape. so I have already accepted that as a loss as well.

[Bereft]

This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I feel quite a bit better about Rondo now. Him giving up his solve and reconsidering I think is towny for him and unnecessary if he's wolf.

If Ender was here he would tell you be careful

[Thunal33]

I feel quite a bit better about Rondo now. Him giving up his solve and reconsidering I think is towny for him and unnecessary if he's wolf.

If Ender was here he would tell you be careful

I haven't seen you as wolf so you can take the easy read.

[RondoDimBuckle]

This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

I mean it will be revealed tomrorow and tomorrow and tomorrow, unless they stop doing it

[Bereft]

I have seen Rondo as wolf, and I'm telling you he's town right now $_$.

[robyn]

This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

and this:

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

I concur

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

Rondo all that “keeping me in check” is omgusing my suspicions after giving me the easiest town read I have ever received.

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me

Can you say it again?

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

I am brain sleeping

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.

Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).

[Thunal33]

I still doubt Michelle is a hit, but at this point I won't strongly object to it. I'd rather see someone in Jay's PoE die and a lot of people I trust are scumreading her.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever happens today, I want folks to listen to DrWilgy moving forward.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Scotty in your recent game as mafia alongside S~V~S, do you recall her being extremely slow and careful with her vote? I think it's reasonably ordinary for her, but this is a bit extreme.

Maybe lowercase response to affirm, caps lock to deny, or a heavy mix of both if you don't think you have a decent answer.

[Thunal33]

Honestly, I don't even know what to think anymore. I'm exhausted and I feel like a lot of pieces don't make sense. I want to stop staring at the thread hoping some solve will click, because every time I feel like it does I doubt it later.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have seen Rondo as wolf, and I'm telling you he's town right now $_$.

I mean. I am but I can easily fake this level of involvement

[RondoDimBuckle]

Whatever happens today, I want folks to listen to DrWilgy moving forward.

why?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Honestly, I don't even know what to think anymore. I'm exhausted and I feel like a lot of pieces don't make sense. I want to stop staring at the thread hoping some solve will click, because every time I feel like it does I doubt it later.

There's a psychological phenomenon called "incubation" that suggests creative human problem solving can be aided by taking some time away from a problem to think about other things before returning to it (this can break us out of preconception and confirmation bias).

However, I think that's probably what the night phase is for.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Scotty in your recent game as mafia alongside S~V~S, do you recall her being extremely slow and careful with her vote? I think it's reasonably ordinary for her, but this is a bit extreme.

Maybe lowercase response to affirm, caps lock to deny, or a heavy mix of both if you don't think you have a decent answer.

I would say she is usually quite reserved with voting. She spoke about it in the past about locked votes and what not. I am not sure if she is using it as cover or if its legitimate. But I can back it up somewhat

[Thunal33]

I actually was coming around to Abi at the fake EoD after her DM argument but then she went and was extremely confident in Michelle wolf. If Michelle and LoRab are both town I think it looks very good for Abi, but I'm not sure about in the other cases.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever happens today, I want folks to listen to DrWilgy moving forward.

why?

I think he's town, I think he knows his shit, and I think sometimes his best work gets overlooked.

[Cape90]

rondo why are you on michelle?

[Thunal33]

Honestly, I don't even know what to think anymore. I'm exhausted and I feel like a lot of pieces don't make sense. I want to stop staring at the thread hoping some solve will click, because every time I feel like it does I doubt it later.

There's a psychological phenomenon called "incubation" that suggests creative human problem solving can be aided by taking some time away from a problem to think about other things before returning to it (this can break us out of preconception and confirmation bias).

However, I think that's probably what the night phase is for.

Yeah I'm going to keep going until EoD but I'm feeling really burnt out. I was relieved EoD wasn't here at first because I was nervous for the flip, but now I realize just how much my brain was expecting a break.

[robyn]

Whatever happens today, I want folks to listen to DrWilgy moving forward.

why?

I think he's town, I think he knows his shit, and I think sometimes his best work gets overlooked.

he caught me before when i was powerwolfing the fuck out of a game, and he sees the same style of play here, and i tr that read on me even though it's wrong

but it's gonna lead to trouble even though yeah him assuming it's a hard game and his alignment is just being tmi'ed is a villa reaction + tinfoiling bereft of all people etc etc

smth smth he will have good takes

[robyn]

Honestly, I don't even know what to think anymore. I'm exhausted and I feel like a lot of pieces don't make sense. I want to stop staring at the thread hoping some solve will click, because every time I feel like it does I doubt it later.

There's a psychological phenomenon called "incubation" that suggests creative human problem solving can be aided by taking some time away from a problem to think about other things before returning to it (this can break us out of preconception and confirmation bias).

However, I think that's probably what the night phase is for.

Yeah I'm going to keep going until EoD but I'm feeling really burnt out. I was relieved EoD wasn't here at first because I was nervous for the flip, but now I realize just how much my brain was expecting a break.

funnily enough i had a dream about eod when i fell asleep where lorab just flipped mafia and i was all happy. then i wake up, check my phone, still expecting a lorab red flip and boom the game is going on here and i am once again playing a hard game

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever happens today, I want folks to listen to DrWilgy moving forward.

why?

I think he's town, I think he knows his shit, and I think sometimes his best work gets overlooked.

he caught me before when i was powerwolfing the fuck out of a game, and he sees the same style of play here, and i tr that read on me even though it's wrong

but it's gonna lead to trouble even though yeah him assuming it's a hard game and his alignment is just being tmi'ed is a villa reaction + tinfoiling bereft of all people etc etc

smth smth he will have good takes

That's what I appreciate about @DrWilgy later in a game. He'll keep the "core" on its toes if he thinks it's necessary, but he will also play with a level head and not make super rash decisions. I also kind of think killing someone will posts today will maximize his future utility, because he needs data. That's not why Michelle should go, but it helps.