Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[RondoDimBuckle]

@robyn @Bereft please join me in voting cape ty

cape is town wtf

Listen to yourself you know it to be true

cape is my top town

I thought bereft was your top town?

[RondoDimBuckle]

there are 0 worlds where cape is wolf

according to you there is exactly 1

[robyn]

there are 0 worlds where cape is wolf

according to you there is exactly 1

0
1

no such thing as a red check on cape

[RondoDimBuckle]

there are 0 worlds where cape is wolf

according to you there is exactly 1

0
1

no such thing as a red check on cape

and yet I think I can get you to vote him today

[robyn]

if you claimed it for bereft i might have like, thought differently, but cape is a no

[robyn]

there are 0 worlds where cape is wolf

according to you there is exactly 1

0
1

no such thing as a red check on cape

and yet I think I can get you to vote him today

you cannot.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Or at the very least. tomorrow

[robyn]

no, cape is town, solve in town cape worlds

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Bereft please for the love of god please talk some sense into robyn

[robyn]

rondo c'mon, listen to me on bereft and cape and realize that i'm on point here and that i found jjj and hard defended him going into today regardless of michelle's flip

we have jjj's poe and i agree on every single tr of his

[RondoDimBuckle]

rondo c'mon, listen to me on bereft and cape and realize that i'm on point here and that i found jjj and hard defended him going into today regardless of michelle's flip

we have jjj's poe and i agree on every single tr of his

You're literally arguing with yourself. I am not going to strong arm you and force the vote here. I am still going to go with JJJ's POE. I just need you to actually READ the words that I am typing and understand

[robyn]

don't have a pissing contest, i am actively trying to not control the game when you very well know that i'm in charge, follow my two tr's and hit into jjj's poe and we can have fucking nirvana

[robyn]

rondo c'mon, listen to me on bereft and cape and realize that i'm on point here and that i found jjj and hard defended him going into today regardless of michelle's flip

we have jjj's poe and i agree on every single tr of his

You're literally arguing with yourself. I am not going to strong arm you and force the vote here. I am still going to go with JJJ's POE. I just need you to actually READ the words that I am typing and understand

if you're claiming that role and that you visited cape n1 then you just gotta know that that's the only check that's invalid fmpov

[RondoDimBuckle]

rondo c'mon, listen to me on bereft and cape and realize that i'm on point here and that i found jjj and hard defended him going into today regardless of michelle's flip

we have jjj's poe and i agree on every single tr of his

You're literally arguing with yourself. I am not going to strong arm you and force the vote here. I am still going to go with JJJ's POE. I just need you to actually READ the words that I am typing and understand

if you're claiming that role and that you visited cape n1 then you just gotta know that that's the only check that's invalid fmpov

im not claiming any role, that is against the game rules.

[robyn]

i'm gonna need u to mind meld with a message i can't send and respond to it @RondoDimBuckle

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am just challenging your preconceived notions to see if you actually mean them. If you do then you vote cape otherwise you're just pissing into the wind

[robyn]

imagine i'm a bad date and you gotta do all the talking yourself or something

[robyn]

I am just challenging your preconceived notions to see if you actually mean them. If you do then you vote cape otherwise you're just pissing into the wind

rondo i'm ngl

[robyn]

@Bereft please for the love of god please talk some sense into robyn

you should've tagged cape here not bereft

[RondoDimBuckle]

i'm gonna need u to mind meld with a message i can't send and respond to it @RondoDimBuckle

I know what you are saying and I know that is what I have been thinking all game but bereft not cape. I thought cape was number 2 and that is why I was leaving you along. If A is = yes then B = no and we vote cape here if otherwise then why?

[robyn]

cape #1

[RondoDimBuckle]

cape #1

well then you're wrong

[RondoDimBuckle]

not on cape that is

[robyn]

motherfucker, don't litigate my strongest townreads

[RondoDimBuckle]

motherfucker, don't litigate my strongest townreads

HEY! Tell that to yourself

[robyn]

cape and bereft are town, you're wrong on both, i'm a better player than you

let's leave it at that

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: SVS ] aubergine

[Thunal33]

thunal/cape/rondo u guys should figure out a chop order of 4 players

I don't do chop orders. There's too much that changes from one day phase to the next.

[ts account]

My only problem with cape is that they've been the only one to say hey this guys towny and that could be an easy pocket since I am an easy pocket
However I don't care because it's helping me lynch a suspicious sushi

[robyn]

i appreciate playing with you and all the effort and solving you're doing here, but you must understand that i too am another thinking individual with agenda and i'm extremely shrewd myself

it is simply impossible for me to misread either, you must understand this

[Thunal33]

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Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

and this:

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.



Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me

Can you say it again?

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

I am brain sleeping

It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.

Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).

does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?

So you see what JJJ highlighted there?

Yeah that's about the progression Princess Abigail went on in terms Michelle, she only had a change of heart like... last second without explanation

What I find really odd is PA saying this

Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you

And this is 1. when Michelle was a wagon 2. while Abigail was "townreading" Michelle from her list

and this

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

was a few posts after the counterwagon one in a very very short span of time, like I am extremely confused there

for you pointing this out +1 townpoint [VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

thank you for your service

Anywho

I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you

Abigail do you have any real reads?

i think this is attempted spew from Michelle's end

What makes me think that is

Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

This was a SNIPPET of a post contained in a larger post

The ONLY other post Michelle mentioned Abigail on and with this said, Michelle made no effort to sort her even with this "concern".

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Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I think all of these show Michelle paying special care and attention to LoRab day 2 and I could see where the argument LoRab is spewed from this comes from

LoRab has been MIA since day 1 unfortunately and neither of them talked about one another then, I hope LoRab is okay.

It's confusing but Abi can be confusing and chaotic as town so I don't think sudden 180s are a bad thing for her. Although I don't know what changed her mind. Imo, the fact that she had more of a hand in killing Michelle yesterday out of anyone not named JJJ and she didn't have to makes me feel pretty good about her.

yeah for some reason, especially with Michelle's side combined, it almost feels too straightforward. But I would still like Abigail's response (though I also worry it probably won't be much help too)

Honestly I get the paranoia, but I think the simpler/more probable explanation is she's town.

[RondoDimBuckle]

i appreciate playing with you and all the effort and solving you're doing here, but you must understand that i too am another thinking individual with agenda and i'm extremely shrewd myself

it is simply impossible for me to misread either, you must understand this

No, I picked you up d1 after I re-read. But when you say orange is purple. I gotta let you know that purple be orange

[robyn]

thunal/cape/rondo u guys should figure out a chop order of 4 players

I don't do chop orders. There's too much that changes from one day phase to the next.

do it once, for me, listen to your elders unlike d2

[Thunal33]

I'm feeling quite good about Cape independently of robyn's read.

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok disregard cape/neon/lorab/michelle.

[ts account]

i appreciate playing with you and all the effort and solving you're doing here, but you must understand that i too am another thinking individual with agenda and i'm extremely shrewd myself

it is simply impossible for me to misread either, you must understand this

You know, I'm something of a shrew myself

[robyn]

i appreciate playing with you and all the effort and solving you're doing here, but you must understand that i too am another thinking individual with agenda and i'm extremely shrewd myself

it is simply impossible for me to misread either, you must understand this

You know, I'm something of a shrew myself

always a bigger fish

[RondoDimBuckle]

we back to.
Neon

Thunal33 - JJJ Thought was town? [citation needed]
LoRab - if exactly mr moneybags neon needs a good looking at
DarlingMonroe

Scum POE
S~V~S
Scotty
ts account

SVS(Or Scotty) (Interchangeable) TS > Lorab > DM(Or Thunal?)[if lorab was a wolf here can be neon too]

[robyn]

@ts account if rondo is a bully, and i'm bullying rondo, what does that make me?

[ts account]

@ts account if rondo is a bully, and i'm bullying rondo, what does that make me?

My hero

[RondoDimBuckle]

@ts account if rondo is a bully, and i'm bullying rondo, what does that make me?

lucky

[robyn]

@JaggedJimmyJay ur glorious and yeah, hope you enjoyed this game

[RondoDimBuckle]

it takes one wrong flip for me to kill you robyn <3

[ts account]

we back to.
Neon

Thunal33 - JJJ Thought was town? [citation needed]
LoRab - if exactly mr moneybags neon needs a good looking at
DarlingMonroe

Scum POE
S~V~S
Scotty
ts account

SVS(Or Scotty) (Interchangeable) TS > Lorab > DM(Or Thunal?)[if lorab was a wolf here can be neon too]

Problem.

There are 3 Mafia left and last I checked I'm definitely not one. So you're doing some wrong maths here to have 3 players in your scum poe


Also, is neon the neon that plays on zeldadungeon (played?) Aka Hapi iirc

[RondoDimBuckle]

Look I am about to go drinking and be super fucking busy till past EOD today. So if we want a coherent wagon we should figure out who JJJ wants now

[RondoDimBuckle]

we back to.
Neon

Thunal33 - JJJ Thought was town? [citation needed]
LoRab - if exactly mr moneybags neon needs a good looking at
DarlingMonroe

Scum POE
S~V~S
Scotty
ts account

SVS(Or Scotty) (Interchangeable) TS > Lorab > DM(Or Thunal?)[if lorab was a wolf here can be neon too]

Problem.

There are 3 Mafia left and last I checked I'm definitely not one. So you're doing some wrong maths here to have 3 players in your scum poe


Also, is neon the neon that plays on zeldadungeon (played?) Aka Hapi iirc

So tell me a better lynch order. Criticising is easy, how about you play the game?

[ts account]

we back to.
Neon

Thunal33 - JJJ Thought was town? [citation needed]
LoRab - if exactly mr moneybags neon needs a good looking at
DarlingMonroe

Scum POE
S~V~S
Scotty
ts account

SVS(Or Scotty) (Interchangeable) TS > Lorab > DM(Or Thunal?)[if lorab was a wolf here can be neon too]

Problem.

There are 3 Mafia left and last I checked I'm definitely not one. So you're doing some wrong maths here to have 3 players in your scum poe


Also, is neon the neon that plays on zeldadungeon (played?) Aka Hapi iirc

So tell me a better lynch order. Criticising is easy, how about you play the game?

Pretty much the same as yours just without me in it. Instantly 20% better

[robyn]

it takes one wrong flip for me to kill you robyn <3

i am unconcerned, there won't be any shenanigans on my end

[Thunal33]

thunal/cape/rondo u guys should figure out a chop order of 4 players

I don't do chop orders. There's too much that changes from one day phase to the next.

do it once, for me, listen to your elders unlike d2

I'll compromise. Take a PoE. SVS/ts account are easily my immediate PoE, and my outer PoE depending on how things go are Scotty/DM if SVS is town and LoRab/Bereft if SVS is wolf. ts account's flip doesn't change much for who I'd put in the outer PoE.

[robyn]

i think scotty is town and thus well

svs today boyos