Wolfwalkers Deireadh (ENDGAME)

[Scotty]

Very interested in activity on Long Con. I feel like I’ve been paranoid of LC for several games for his bouncy behavior and he was very much town. I don’t see the same bouncy behavior this game- it’s more serious and truncated.

not sure what to make of that

Vote me then, bro! Best way to find out. I'm Puritan Town though. Vanilla.

no, I don’t think I will

[Scotty]

I see Garebear has voted for Long Con like a fart in the wind, so that’s something.

@Garebear2468 hey buddy! Come and share your thoughts!

[DrWilgy]

Who is aiding the wolves?
Poll runs till Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:00 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
☆Princess Abigail☆
2
20%
Voters: falcon45ca, Scotty
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
3
30%
Voters: MartinGG99, Garebare2468, Stick
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
1
10%
Voters: DrWilgy
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
Stick
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Garebare2468
0
No votes
Voters: None
baker
2
20%
Voters: Master Radishes, baker
MartinGG99
0
No votes
Voters: None
Naomh Pádraig (host/spec)
2
20%
Voters: leetic, Epignosis
Total votes: 10

[Long Con]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

The absolute definition of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I've decided stick is town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

That's all

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

The absolute definition of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

What shit do you think I'm possibly throwing at the wall?

[Long Con]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

The absolute definition of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

What shit do you think I'm possibly throwing at the wall?

In this metaphor, shit is equivalent to baseless accusations.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

The absolute definition of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

What shit do you think I'm possibly throwing at the wall?

In this metaphor, shit is equivalent to baseless accusations.

I have said one person is a wolf and found a pattern in 4 players that indicates a less likely for 2+ wolves amongst them.

Baseless accusation on the one wolf? Yeah

But to use a plural there and say accusationS? I'm hurt!

[DrWilgy]

Actually... Why did the pointing of fluff pointless accusations follow me copying what I thought to be an interesting poll to the thread?

That's not even remotely close to an accusationS.

[DrWilgy]

Also 1 in Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker.

Easiest read of my life.

haha why these 3 specifically?

There's 4 in that list

Hey go easy on him, Sticks aren’t known around the forest for their mathematics

But that is perplexing…tinfoil there exists that stick saw their partner and unconsciously left them out.
More likely however is stick didn’t realize MR was a player

Your right. Would probably be easier to convince the stick to be fire than to do maths.

Also stop knowing my brain.

[DrWilgy]

Abbi is gonna reread this from the start this time hopefully with like... the ability to retain info

No, impossible, I've tried 3 times already.

[DrWilgy]

it being garebare's first mafia game, and baker being terminally busy + 85 posts per day cap makes activity a huge concern, especially because wigly/falcon/dm/radishes are literally inactives in most games

No, we play at a normal pace. The rest of you are the ridiculous ones.

One day they'll learn they don't need 600 posts to find wolves

[DrWilgy]

Also 1 in Martin, Robyn, MR and Baker.

Easiest read of my life.

haha why these 3 specifically?

There's 4 in that list

Hey go easy on him, Sticks aren’t known around the forest for their mathematics

But that is perplexing…tinfoil there exists that stick saw their partner and unconsciously left them out.
More likely however is stick didn’t realize MR was a player

more that i didnt really register the names but saw a list and wondered how wilgy decided there had to be 1 in them specifically


so yeah i cant count, basically


wilgy ignoring my question is NOTED though. i will remember this when im deciding my night kill tomorrow

If I give the answers away immediately, how am I to remain obscure and mysterious?

[DrWilgy]

Very interested in activity on Long Con. I feel like I’ve been paranoid of LC for several games for his bouncy behavior and he was very much town. I don’t see the same bouncy behavior this game- it’s more serious and truncated.

not sure what to make of that

Vote me then, bro! Best way to find out. I'm Puritan Town though. Vanilla.

no, I don’t think I will

Homie going out of his way to avoid being on the main wagon eh?

[DrWilgy]

Exiting rvs PoE feels like [Abi, Robyn, LC, MR, Falc, Garebare, Baker]

Big but should flesh itself out?

[Long Con]

Actually... Why did the pointing of fluff pointless accusations follow me copying what I thought to be an interesting poll to the thread?

That's not even remotely close to an accusationS.

Your poll-copy post triggered me into thinking about you. If you found it "interesting" then one would think you would have commented on why, but no, just copypoll and out. Faux-helpful? Appearance of town engagement?

So I looked over your posts, you posted a list of four suspicious players, and then voted without reasons for a fifth. No town reads, just trying to get suspicion on a bunch of players.

Hope this helps you understand.

[robyn]

stick’s catch up was surprisingly bad, i don’t suspect her or anything but those were just not good posts, lacking in actual reads and more like “where do i vote”

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Abbi is gonna reread this from the start this time hopefully with like... the ability to retain info

No, impossible, I've tried 3 times already.

Yeah I noticed

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I failed

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Jfc this thread is dead

[DrWilgy]

Actually... Why did the pointing of fluff pointless accusations follow me copying what I thought to be an interesting poll to the thread?

That's not even remotely close to an accusationS.

Your poll-copy post triggered me into thinking about you. If you found it "interesting" then one would think you would have commented on why, but no, just copypoll and out. Faux-helpful? Appearance of town engagement?

So I looked over your posts, you posted a list of four suspicious players, and then voted without reasons for a fifth. No town reads, just trying to get suspicion on a bunch of players.

Hope this helps you understand.

Aye, a poll is not permanent. I made it so. I do not know if it's helpful or will be, but I created the possibility on observation of an interesting spread.

Did I say those 4 were suspicious? I think you are misinterpreted what I said intentionally or not.

I put the reason I voted Falc in the post where I did so. I missed him.

I have town reads. I haven't shared them, nor are my reasons why solid.

QUESTION TEACHER LONGUS CONGUS!
1. Do you expect me to have a firm understanding of this game?
2. Why is there more speculation on me making lists and doing as I do, than why I do this?

[robyn]

i will be drunk for the next 24h, or longer

[DrWilgy]

stick’s catch up was surprisingly bad, i don’t suspect her or anything but those were just not good posts, lacking in actual reads and more like “where do i vote”

Seems contrary to say it's bad but not suspect.

[Long Con]

Actually... Why did the pointing of fluff pointless accusations follow me copying what I thought to be an interesting poll to the thread?

That's not even remotely close to an accusationS.

Your poll-copy post triggered me into thinking about you. If you found it "interesting" then one would think you would have commented on why, but no, just copypoll and out. Faux-helpful? Appearance of town engagement?

So I looked over your posts, you posted a list of four suspicious players, and then voted without reasons for a fifth. No town reads, just trying to get suspicion on a bunch of players.

Hope this helps you understand.

Aye, a poll is not permanent. I made it so. I do not know if it's helpful or will be, but I created the possibility on observation of an interesting spread.

Did I say those 4 were suspicious? I think you are misinterpreted what I said intentionally or not.

I put the reason I voted Falc in the post where I did so. I missed him.

I have town reads. I haven't shared them, nor are my reasons why solid.

QUESTION TEACHER LONGUS CONGUS!
1. Do you expect me to have a firm understanding of this game?
2. Why is there more speculation on me making lists and doing as I do, than why I do this?

1. The possibility of that would be reliant on your role card.
2. The pointing out of suspicious behaviour usually has an implicit assumption that the "why" is because it is action that the pointer believes is action likely for a Wolf to take. In this particular instance, the Wolf (you) would have intentions of appearing to be trying to solve, while also spreading suspicion upon others. Also, colloquially, "I do not know if it's helpful or will be, but I created the possibility on observation of an interesting spread" reads to be like "well gosh, I'm just tryin' ta do my good Townie part, ah hope it can help us Townies win!"

[DrWilgy]

Jfc this thread is dead

Why not make it undead?

i will be drunk for the next 24h, or longer

Enjoy

[DrWilgy]

Actually... Why did the pointing of fluff pointless accusations follow me copying what I thought to be an interesting poll to the thread?

That's not even remotely close to an accusationS.

Your poll-copy post triggered me into thinking about you. If you found it "interesting" then one would think you would have commented on why, but no, just copypoll and out. Faux-helpful? Appearance of town engagement?

So I looked over your posts, you posted a list of four suspicious players, and then voted without reasons for a fifth. No town reads, just trying to get suspicion on a bunch of players.

Hope this helps you understand.

Aye, a poll is not permanent. I made it so. I do not know if it's helpful or will be, but I created the possibility on observation of an interesting spread.

Did I say those 4 were suspicious? I think you are misinterpreted what I said intentionally or not.

I put the reason I voted Falc in the post where I did so. I missed him.

I have town reads. I haven't shared them, nor are my reasons why solid.

QUESTION TEACHER LONGUS CONGUS!
1. Do you expect me to have a firm understanding of this game?
2. Why is there more speculation on me making lists and doing as I do, than why I do this?

1. The possibility of that would be reliant on your role card.
2. The pointing out of suspicious behaviour usually has an implicit assumption that the "why" is because it is action that the pointer believes is action likely for a Wolf to take. In this particular instance, the Wolf (you) would have intentions of appearing to be trying to solve, while also spreading suspicion upon others. Also, colloquially, "I do not know if it's helpful or will be, but I created the possibility on observation of an interesting spread" reads to be like "well gosh, I'm just tryin' ta do my good Townie part, ah hope it can help us Townies win!"

1. You didn't answer my question. Do you expect me to, right now, with the information you have?
2. That's at least more clear, but you miss the point. You haven't once decided to actually look at the lists I made, who I called wolf, and asked why in the specific sense. Per your accusation towards me without they why, do you really think, that I as wolf, just grabbed 4 names at random? Again, your not trying to root that out, more so stating "well I don't like it" and to me it gives the impression of you wanting to be suspicious of me rather than being suspicious.
3. How else should I be when I grab a poll I find interesting? We do not have flip data yet, but when we do, these early placements are normally quite significant in solving. Further, I do find your generalization of me grabbing an interesting poll to be somewhat of a malicious exaggeration. Townie or wolf, why would I decline setting an important data point when I think I see it?

[Garebare2468]

This is my first game.

Forever-ever? ForEVER-ever?

My first game like this at all.

[Garebare2468]

This is my first game.

Welcome!! I will not be voting for you today!

Have you ever played mafia before in any capacity?

Nope never nothing even similar to this.

[Long Con]

1. I thought that the answer would be evident, contextually. If you are Town, then you have very little understanding of the game. If you are Wolf, then you have an excellent grasp of the game. Are you asking me if I think you're Town or Wolf? The "expectation" angle you're taking is possibly throwing off my ability to answer you to your satisfaction.

2. and 3. Okay. You posted your name lst, and offered no explanation. You posted a poll record, with no explanation. If you want to play International Man of Mystery, then fine. I don't think adding a level of mysteriousness is particularly helpful to a Town win. Don't give me half the story to work with and then complain because I am not including the stuff you didn't say.

[Long Con]

This is my first game.

Forever-ever? ForEVER-ever?

My first game like this at all.

Why would you vote for me, friend? I am not a Wolf.

[Garebare2468]

This is my first game.

what's your motivation in mafia? Like what attracts you to the game or what brings you to this site or etc?

I don't feel much excitement from this, which is fine as everyone plays and treats forum mafia differently, but it gets me concerned I will understand so little of you that I won't be able to tell if you're town or not just because you could be different from me.

My best friend wanted me to play so I'm trying it out. I'm the same way. I'll have no idea how to tell who is and isn't mafia.

[baker]

I wish I had a best friend

[MartinGG99]

and since you have thoughts on this game, what about stick

All I know of Stick is that Stick was among the higher-ranked players of the last MU Champs, so I don't think much can be applied to them -- in particular the observation of whether or not they're comfortable. Chances are they can muster confidence in how they play.

The "phone in" framing seems a bit genuine -- I would think a wolf could use more common wording and not be concerned at all, and they would be right -- but their pre-emptive "sorry if that's the case" in their elaboration seems possibly TMI-ish for this stage of the game. I mean, as I've said, it goes without saying that people can and will be wrong in this game, especially early game. So its odd to be apologized to for that at this stage, and under circumstances wherein only two people have voiced anything negative about me.

oh btw are you the martin from this years champs game 9 with that sick outing hammer? that was funny

also how do i unvote lol

You can just unvote by selecting "Naomh Pádraig (host/spec)", at least I think that's how it should be. If it weren't possible then why not tell people they must vote someone? Regardless, you can always ask the host in DMs/PMs privately per host rules #4 & #6 in the OP.

And yep, in both of my champs games in the past (which were wolf games) I've self-outed for what I like to believe is the benefit of my teammates so that they can make it past LYLO (which they did both times).

Though I generally don't talk much about either of them unless someone is forcibly tying their scumread of me to those games (this has already happened once back in the summer). Mixed bag of feelings and all.

[Stick]

honestly, wilgy's scumgame (going off the one game ive played with them) was a lot more centered on posting busy work and, well, showing some kind of process even if it was not the most intuitive way one would solve


not to say people cant have different playstyles as scum varying from game to game, but something to note because i dont really see that kinda play from wilgy here

[Stick]

and since you have thoughts on this game, what about stick

All I know of Stick is that Stick was among the higher-ranked players of the last MU Champs, so I don't think much can be applied to them -- in particular the observation of whether or not they're comfortable. Chances are they can muster confidence in how they play.

The "phone in" framing seems a bit genuine -- I would think a wolf could use more common wording and not be concerned at all, and they would be right -- but their pre-emptive "sorry if that's the case" in their elaboration seems possibly TMI-ish for this stage of the game. I mean, as I've said, it goes without saying that people can and will be wrong in this game, especially early game. So its odd to be apologized to for that at this stage, and under circumstances wherein only two people have voiced anything negative about me.

oh btw are you the martin from this years champs game 9 with that sick outing hammer? that was funny

also how do i unvote lol

You can just unvote by selecting "Naomh Pádraig (host/spec)", at least I think that's how it should be. If it weren't possible then why not tell people they must vote someone? Regardless, you can always ask the host in DMs/PMs privately per host rules #4 & #6 in the OP.

And yep, in both of my champs games in the past (which were wolf games) I've self-outed for what I like to believe is the benefit of my teammates so that they can make it past LYLO (which they did both times).

Though I generally don't talk much about either of them unless someone is forcibly tying their scumread of me to those games (this has already happened once back in the summer). Mixed bag of feelings and all.

ohh gotcha, that makes sense. thanks!!


i see, i can respect that

[Stick]

[unvote]Long Con[/unvote]


tie! >:)

[Stick]

that was worth a try, but i unvoted on the poll LOL

[Garebare2468]

I wish I had a best friend

He's my only friend from high school.

[Stick]

My best friend wanted me to play so I'm trying it out. I'm the same way. I'll have no idea how to tell who is and isn't mafia.

hi!! welcome


talk to me about what convinced you to vote for martin? just vibes? or maybe you saw someone say something you agreed with?

[Stick]

Abbi is gonna reread this from the start this time hopefully with like... the ability to retain info

No, impossible, I've tried 3 times already.

like i am probably unironically just going to townread this even tho it's the easiest post in the world to fake

[Stick]

stick’s catch up was surprisingly bad, i don’t suspect her or anything but those were just not good posts, lacking in actual reads and more like “where do i vote”

my feelings

[MartinGG99]

Kinda feeling if there's wolves between Long Con and Wilgy its just one. If they were both wolves this interaction wouldn't be so focused on points I think. Feels rather formal in that way. Dunno if that means t/t or not yet, still mulling the posts over.

[Stick]

yea honestly i might end on long con, let's see

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Jfc this thread is dead

Why not make it undead?

i will be drunk for the next 24h, or longer

Enjoy

My specialty is whining not doing

[Stick]

wait it's literally eod where is everybody

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

I'm not as certain in voting there anymore. Longcon doesn't feel like he has a particular agenda (though that's not saying much for d1), the interaction between him and Wilgy seem not very likely to be w/w, and his interactions with others about voting him give me a positive tone feeling. Maybe I'm a fool, but its hard to dismiss that feeling. Wilgy is just Wilgy and I don't feel like taking the leap of faith on that in hoping he's scum. I would feel dumb and unproductive if I was wrong there.

@Scotty @falcon45ca what do you guys make of no one really engaging with the Abbi wagon?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Stick is so town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I should probably self pres

[Stick]

what's the case on baker?