Nat'l Lampoon's Christmas Vacation - Game End

[Long Con]

Correct.

[MacDougall]

I would say if Scotty is town that Abigail/Tutuu/Robyn can be a team. But ... you have to appreciate that would mean you're looking at a game where the entire mafia team intentionally played the whole game to pocket me and do little else. All three of them have hard townread me pretty much the whole time. It's disarming for anyone and very hard when the mafia do something like that. Not saying it's bad/wrong moreso just excusing myself for not catching on if it is that. In that scenario the onus is certainly on other town to see what I wouldn't be able to.

[Long Con]

I would say if Scotty is town that Abigail/Tutuu/Robyn can be a team. But ... you have to appreciate that would mean you're looking at a game where the entire mafia team intentionally played the whole game to pocket me and do little else. All three of them have hard townread me pretty much the whole time. It's disarming for anyone and very hard when the mafia do something like that. Not saying it's bad/wrong moreso just excusing myself for not catching on if it is that. In that scenario the onus is certainly on other town to see what I wouldn't be able to.

This POV is one I can get on board with.

[leetic]

Leetic showing up JUST after the yeet was very suspicious to me, as was tutuu's absence.

Maybe I just wasn't awake at the time of EoD? The times when I was online should confrim

[Long Con]

Which one should I check tonight?

[Long Con]

Leetic showing up JUST after the yeet was very suspicious to me, as was tutuu's absence.

Maybe I just wasn't awake at the time of EoD? The times when I was online should confrim

Maybe.

[MacDougall]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

[Long Con]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

[MacDougall]

I would say if Scotty is town that Abigail/Tutuu/Robyn can be a team. But ... you have to appreciate that would mean you're looking at a game where the entire mafia team intentionally played the whole game to pocket me and do little else. All three of them have hard townread me pretty much the whole time. It's disarming for anyone and very hard when the mafia do something like that. Not saying it's bad/wrong moreso just excusing myself for not catching on if it is that. In that scenario the onus is certainly on other town to see what I wouldn't be able to.

This POV is one I can get on board with.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that's the team.

I think something like...

Scotty/DM/Pyxxy
or
Leetic/DM/Pyxxy
or
Abigail/DM/Pyxxy

Is more plausible.

[Long Con]

Wolves: the two neighbours, and the boss?

[leetic]

Can someone list all the mechanical information we have so far? LC claimed investigative on RDB (green), Abby claimed post restrictor, sig is Roleblocker and Scotty claimed roleblocked if I remember correctly, Serhal is Vig and probably didn't use it on falcon, anything I'm missing?

[Long Con]

I would say if Scotty is town that Abigail/Tutuu/Robyn can be a team. But ... you have to appreciate that would mean you're looking at a game where the entire mafia team intentionally played the whole game to pocket me and do little else. All three of them have hard townread me pretty much the whole time. It's disarming for anyone and very hard when the mafia do something like that. Not saying it's bad/wrong moreso just excusing myself for not catching on if it is that. In that scenario the onus is certainly on other town to see what I wouldn't be able to.

This POV is one I can get on board with.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that's the team.

I think something like...

Scotty/DM/Pyxxy
or
Leetic/DM/Pyxxy
or
Abigail/DM/Pyxxy

Is more plausible.

Is Scotty outing his blockedness early on kind of towny?

[leetic]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

50% chance. Two is also possible

[Long Con]

Can someone list all the mechanical information we have so far? LC claimed investigative on RDB (green), Abby claimed post restrictor, sig is Roleblocker and Scotty claimed roleblocked if I remember correctly, Serhal is Vig and probably didn't use it on falcon, anything I'm missing?

I think that covers it.

[Long Con]

Also, three people were roleblocked on N0. At least 3. If Scotty is telling the truth.

[MacDougall]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

Okay well the wagon breakdown give a fairly good amount of information.

You should be docced if we have one and Pyxxy should be resolved day 3 if he doesn't self resolve with mech.

Rondo might die tonight as a doc dodge over you given he'd also green.

I think you should check Scotty because it provides the most resolution to the rest of the information.

[MacDougall]

Also, three people were roleblocked on N0. At least 3. If Scotty is telling the truth.

How many of them were targeting me?

[MacDougall]

Serhal definitely didn't use it. He claimed so post demise lol.

[leetic]

Does anyone know if "double targeting" was "trying" to happen this game? If so, that could clear a few things up

[MacDougall]

I have something of a reflexive roleblocker action but it's not a guaranteed thing. Like it only occurs in certain circumstances I'd rather not say exactly what they are because it will help mafia too much. I can fairly confidently say that's why you were unable to check me on n0 though.

[MacDougall]

What are the chances Roxy would use anti claim in her games? I've never played a Roxy game before.

[Scotty]

I don't think Scotty is mafia, his reaction when he was unsilenced was very townie.

Doubtful his wagon is pure. Rondo has a green check and the other is a dead townie so... doesn't look amazing for Robyn (my top town lol).

Fuckety.

@Scotty @robyn you're kind of a difference check I think?

I think based on what I’m getting from the past few pages, rondo could be a range of alignments from Wolfy town, to wolfy wolf, to wolfy 3p.

Robyn has no town equity from me.

Why are they one of your top town up to this point, mac?

[MacDougall]

I don't think Scotty is mafia, his reaction when he was unsilenced was very townie.

Doubtful his wagon is pure. Rondo has a green check and the other is a dead townie so... doesn't look amazing for Robyn (my top town lol).

Fuckety.

@Scotty @robyn you're kind of a difference check I think?

I think based on what I’m getting from the past few pages, rondo could be a range of alignments from Wolfy town, to wolfy wolf, to wolfy 3p.

Robyn has no town equity from me.

Why are they one of your top town up to this point, mac?

I liked their posts when they sobered up and started solving. It felt like some of the towniest content in the game in real time. Trying to full solve. Nothing concrete just really good vibes.

[MacDougall]

I don't think Scotty is mafia, his reaction when he was unsilenced was very townie.

Doubtful his wagon is pure. Rondo has a green check and the other is a dead townie so... doesn't look amazing for Robyn (my top town lol).

Fuckety.

@Scotty @robyn you're kind of a difference check I think?

I think based on what I’m getting from the past few pages, rondo could be a range of alignments from Wolfy town, to wolfy wolf, to wolfy 3p.

Robyn has no town equity from me.

Why are they one of your top town up to this point, mac?

Also LC has hard claimed cop with a green on Rondo.

[MacDougall]

Abigail might just be outed via post count tbh.

[Long Con]

Also, three people were roleblocked on N0. At least 3. If Scotty is telling the truth.

How many of them were targeting me?

Guilty as charged. Is that how it is? Rondo was blocked, and did not target you, iirc. Scotty, unknown.

[MacDougall]

Abigail/Leetic/Scotty and the mafia have just been doing two fifths of fuck all and cursing each other? How bout it lol.

[MacDougall]

Also, three people were roleblocked on N0. At least 3. If Scotty is telling the truth.

How many of them were targeting me?

Guilty as charged. Is that how it is? Rondo was blocked, and did not target you, iirc. Scotty, unknown.

I presume Scotty was targeting me also then.

Rondo... why was he targeting n0? I thought his role was based around voting?

[Long Con]

What are the chances Roxy would use anti claim in her games? I've never played a Roxy game before.

As in, fake Town rolecards given to the Wolves? I would bet against it.

[MacDougall]

@Scotty can you confirm you also targeted me n0?

[leetic]

Might as well claim my full ability, because I can't guarantee that I won't be mislynched D3 and I can't guarantee that I won't be targeted with a post restriction/silence D3, and I think my information is too important for town to lose.

Basically, every night I get three statements about the game, two are true and one is a lie, and I pick one to add to the SoD post. Basically, an Oracle variant, and I softed this role in my opening post.

For N0, the three statements were that there were two baddies, there were three baddies, and that town had no BTSC. As the first two statements are contradictory, the third had to be true, so I selected it.

For N1, I got my statements at 10:00 AM EST, only a couple hours before SoD. (I didn't get my statements for tonight yet, so it'll presumably happen at around the same time) They were that there is a janitor in the game, that one player was found to be town, and the statement about double targeting. I selected the second, as I thought that the first would self-resolve and I was unsure of the value of the third statement. If that is true, it would lend credence to LC's claim, as we have seen no counterclaims of a cleared townie. However, that depends on one of the other statements being false. While the hosts may have inadvertently confirmed the first as false, perhaps it will be more clear if we have a larger sample size of nightkill flips. That leaves the third to be proven/disproven.

I'll try to get the third set up here once it arrives.

[Long Con]

Rondo... why was he targeting n0? I thought his role was based around voting?

Huh, yeah. That needs clearing up.

[MacDougall]

What are the chances Roxy would use anti claim in her games? I've never played a Roxy game before.

As in, fake Town rolecards given to the Wolves? I would bet against it.

No, anticlaim is the ability to kill people who full claim their role. It's used widely these days to stop town from winning game via full claiming.

[Long Con]

Might as well claim my full ability, because I can't guarantee that I won't be mislynched D3 and I can't guarantee that I won't be targeted with a post restriction/silence D3, and I think my information is too important for town to lose.

Basically, every night I get three statements about the game, two are true and one is a lie, and I pick one to add to the SoD post. Basically, an Oracle variant, and I softed this role in my opening post.

For N0, the three statements were that there were two baddies, there were three baddies, and that town had no BTSC. As the first two statements are contradictory, the third had to be true, so I selected it.

For N1, I got my statements at 10:00 AM EST, only a couple hours before SoD. (I didn't get my statements for tonight yet, so it'll presumably happen at around the same time) They were that there is a janitor in the game, that one player was found to be town, and the statement about double targeting. I selected the second, as I thought that the first would self-resolve and I was unsure of the value of the third statement. If that is true, it would lend credence to LC's claim, as we have seen no counterclaims of a cleared townie. However, that depends on one of the other statements being false. While the hosts may have inadvertently confirmed the first as false, perhaps it will be more clear if we have a larger sample size of nightkill flips. That leaves the third to be proven/disproven.

I'll try to get the third set up here once it arrives.

I assumed that referenced me as well.

[Long Con]

What are the chances Roxy would use anti claim in her games? I've never played a Roxy game before.

As in, fake Town rolecards given to the Wolves? I would bet against it.

No, anticlaim is the ability to kill people who full claim their role. It's used widely these days to stop town from winning game via full claiming.

No, roleclaim and infodumping are allowed, it says in the OP.

[Long Con]

Wait, no, I assumed he was told he was blocked, despite it being a wasted block.

[Long Con]

Which means sig maybe blocked Rondo, if Scotty targeted Mac, which seems likely.

[MacDougall]

What are the chances Roxy would use anti claim in her games? I've never played a Roxy game before.

As in, fake Town rolecards given to the Wolves? I would bet against it.

No, anticlaim is the ability to kill people who full claim their role. It's used widely these days to stop town from winning game via full claiming.

No, roleclaim and infodumping are allowed, it says in the OP.

Then I'm unsure how Pyxxy survived day 2 if he's town. Mafia would have absolutely voted him to push him on his claim especially given he's been the most broadly suspected player. He should probably just be treated as outed imo.

[MacDougall]

Which means sig maybe blocked Rondo, if Scotty targeted Mac, which seems likely.

Tracks.

[Long Con]

I would have gone pyxxy over Serhal. I was on pyxxy... but then pyxxy was too present, and could have thrown a wrench.

[MacDougall]

If you were mafia, why would you not just vote Pyxxy unless he's also mafia? Help me comprehend this?

He was the easiest push in the game, he claims PR without full claiming.

That mafia didn't push him means he's mafia.

[MacDougall]

I would have gone pyxxy over Serhal. I was on pyxxy... but then pyxxy was too present, and could have thrown a wrench.

Sure but I mean like earlier, much earlier. Pyxxy would have been pressured by mafia after his PR claim. That's how mafia deal with it. They just laugh, call him outed and force him to full claim with vote pressure.

[Scotty]

Also, three people were roleblocked on N0. At least 3. If Scotty is telling the truth.

The way my role works means I wasn’t *necessarily* blocked. I got clarification that it can fail if certain conditions aren’t met.

And before you read into that, it’s not a 3p claim or whatever

[Long Con]

If you were mafia, why would you not just vote Pyxxy unless he's also mafia? Help me comprehend this?

He was the easiest push in the game, he claims PR without full claiming.

That mafia didn't push him means he's mafia.

I vote pyxxy, then pyxxy could have easily just made it 4 on Rondo.

[Scotty]

Which means sig maybe blocked Rondo, if Scotty targeted Mac, which seems likely.

Tracks.

I have never targeted Mac this game

[MacDougall]

@Scotty so whatever action you used on me on n0 you're going to be using again I presume?

Is there feedback on this action? ie. if it doesn't fail will the person on the receiving end be able to confirm your ability?

[Long Con]

Oh wait, you didn't mean me specifically.

[MacDougall]

Ah ok never mind then.

[Long Con]

Also, three people were roleblocked on N0. At least 3. If Scotty is telling the truth.

The way my role works means I wasn’t *necessarily* blocked. I got clarification that it can fail if certain conditions aren’t met.

And before you read into that, it’s not a 3p claim or whatever

I would never, sir.

[MacDougall]

Oh wait, you didn't mean me specifically.

Correct I am just explaining how there's no reasonable explanation for why Pyxxy wasn't pushed harder on day 2 if he's town. He's very likely just mafia.