Nat'l Lampoon's Christmas Vacation - Game End

[Long Con]

DM are you like a high quality wolf?

Ooh, like a five-star wolf?

[MacDougall]

DM are you like a high quality wolf?

Ooh, like a five-star wolf?

I mean anyone can answer but it'd help my read if I knew where on the from Glorfindel to Golden rating scale I'm supposed to be approaching her.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hi I'm sick as fuck

[Scotty]

DM are you like a high quality wolf?

Ooh, like a five-star wolf?

I mean anyone can answer but it'd help my read if I knew where on the from Glorfindel to Golden rating scale I'm supposed to be approaching her.

DM just won as mafia with partner Wilgy in Timelines Mafia it you want to peruse that

Small sample size

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Can someone fill me in

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

On like what I've missed

[DarlingMonroe]

DM are you like a high quality wolf?

Ooh, like a five-star wolf?

I am an all-around american bitch mafia player

town or wolf

what about you?

[DarlingMonroe]

DM are you like a high quality wolf?

Ooh, like a five-star wolf?

I mean anyone can answer but it'd help my read if I knew where on the from Glorfindel to Golden rating scale I'm supposed to be approaching her.

DM just won as mafia with partner Wilgy in Timelines Mafia it you want to peruse that

Small sample size

I think i am better as town but being wolf is fun too

i just like mafia, its fun

[DarlingMonroe]

DM are you like a high quality wolf?

Ooh, like a five-star wolf?

I mean anyone can answer but it'd help my read if I knew where on the from Glorfindel to Golden rating scale I'm supposed to be approaching her.

DM just won as mafia with partner Wilgy in Timelines Mafia it you want to peruse that

Small sample size

yeah, final 5 w/ Epi, Long Con, Robyn & Dr. Wilgy and pulling out the Win for my first time being wolf and with my partner literally voting for me eveyday was chill

[DarlingMonroe]

but then again my first town game here, I think i did pretty decent, same in ted lasso

whew

[MacDougall]

So inexperienced but intelligent enough and gamer enough to be deceptive in spite of it.

Sad, I was hopeful I could just clear you off your incredulousness lol.

[DarlingMonroe]

So inexperienced but intelligent enough and gamer enough to be deceptive in spite of it.

Sad, I was hopeful I could just clear you off your incredulousness lol.

well im 1/1 on mafia W here

but havent once as town and not strictly because of incorrect reads, but other players town reading wolves and then just sinking town bc of their resistance to consider they might be wrong

i mean, you can clear me bc ive extremely transparent with what ive done, and been wolf-hunting; as a wolf, i would have just taken a step back and let town self-destruct and just ridden along with a vote for you Mac when you lead the vote poll with like 3 votes

[MacDougall]

"I'd have just ridden along with a vote on you." - You'd been townreading me all game and didn't have to vote me cuz town died anyway.

"If I didn't want to save Rondo I'd have just voted him." - He was green checked and both counterwagons were townies anyway.

Like thats twice now you've defended yourself with "I'd have done this as mafia" wifom arguments when no competent social deduction player would do those things.

Which is partially why I'm curious about your skill level because if you were experienced you'd also know both those arguments are whack and not use them as a defense.

So it ultimately is a wash.

If I ask why you're towny I kind of think my only answer is "I'm not sure they would post this productively and be this dogged as mafia" which isn't a great argument so you should be solved by players who have more experience than you. Especially because you've been lock townreading me all game so my perspective would be manipulated to view you positively.

[MacDougall]

DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Scotty pls solve DM

[DarlingMonroe]

"I'd have just ridden along with a vote on you." - You'd been townreading me all game and didn't have to vote me cuz town died anyway.

"If I didn't want to save Rondo I'd have just voted him." - He was green checked and both counterwagons were townies anyway.

Like thats twice now you've defended yourself with "I'd have done this as mafia" wifom arguments when no competent social deduction player would do those things.

Which is partially why I'm curious about your skill level because if you were experienced you'd also know both those arguments are whack and not use them as a defense.

So it ultimately is a wash.

If I ask why you're towny I kind of think my only answer is "I'm not sure they would post this productively and be this dogged as mafia" which isn't a great argument so you should be solved by players who have more experience than you. Especially because you've been lock townreading me all game so my perspective would be manipulated to view you positively.

i could have casted a vote and left, i didnt have to be online and could have kept my vote on rondo and pretended i didnt see the green check

and thats rich coming from you, when your votes have all been for town blood, so its not like your playing any better

and im not your average competent social deduction player? like what does that even mean?

and okay if those are arguments are whack, even though they are truthful, idk what you want

a fabricated lie?

so next time i play with you, i should just scum read you because you think your town game play reads wolf?

[DarlingMonroe]

@Scotty pls solve DM

if anyone has read me right at least 2/2 has been pyxxy

spotted me as wolf right away in timelines, and as town here early on

[DarlingMonroe]

DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.

pyxxy and i guess tutuu, but idk if its bc theyre scum and they know im town, or they legit can spot/recognize my town play

[DarlingMonroe]

"I'd have just ridden along with a vote on you." - You'd been townreading me all game and didn't have to vote me cuz town died anyway.

"If I didn't want to save Rondo I'd have just voted him." - He was green checked and both counterwagons were townies anyway.

Like thats twice now you've defended yourself with "I'd have done this as mafia" wifom arguments when no competent social deduction player would do those things.

Which is partially why I'm curious about your skill level because if you were experienced you'd also know both those arguments are whack and not use them as a defense.

So it ultimately is a wash.

If I ask why you're towny I kind of think my only answer is "I'm not sure they would post this productively and be this dogged as mafia" which isn't a great argument so you should be solved by players who have more experience than you. Especially because you've been lock townreading me all game so my perspective would be manipulated to view you positively.

well those players that have more experience than me, i seldomly see them deliver results so so much for 'experience'

maybe im just a natural, and a mafia prodigy

[MacDougall]

I struggle to comprehend what you just said but I'm past the point of caring about getting into a back and forth with you. I've done my best to figure out your alignment but ultimately haven't been able to ergo the question of who should solve you.

I'm not sure which part of what I said was "rich coming from you" or how what I said just there has anything to do with the fact your explanations don't make sense cuz I don't feel you (being a competent social deduction player) would have done either of those things as mafia. It was a compliment.

Pretending not to see it so you could leave your vote on Rondo is a reasonable enough argument.

No I don't want a fabricated lie. Obviously. I just want patience while I try to figure out whether you're being deceptive or not.

[MacDougall]

DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.

pyxxy and i guess tutuu, but idk if its bc theyre scum and they know im town, or they legit can spot/recognize my town play

As in there have been games where they correctly read you but it's happened when they've been both alignments?

[MacDougall]

"I'd have just ridden along with a vote on you." - You'd been townreading me all game and didn't have to vote me cuz town died anyway.

"If I didn't want to save Rondo I'd have just voted him." - He was green checked and both counterwagons were townies anyway.

Like thats twice now you've defended yourself with "I'd have done this as mafia" wifom arguments when no competent social deduction player would do those things.

Which is partially why I'm curious about your skill level because if you were experienced you'd also know both those arguments are whack and not use them as a defense.

So it ultimately is a wash.

If I ask why you're towny I kind of think my only answer is "I'm not sure they would post this productively and be this dogged as mafia" which isn't a great argument so you should be solved by players who have more experience than you. Especially because you've been lock townreading me all game so my perspective would be manipulated to view you positively.

well those players that have more experience than me, i seldomly see them deliver results so so much for 'experience'

maybe im just a natural, and a mafia prodigy

Lol maybe you are. Experience certainly doesn't equate to competency in mafia.

But I generally win games when I'm town.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[DarlingMonroe]

DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.

pyxxy and i guess tutuu, but idk if its bc theyre scum and they know im town, or they legit can spot/recognize my town play

As in there have been games where they correctly read you but it's happened when they've been both alignments?

well idk their alignments this time around, but previous games they both ended up w/ correct reads on me [pyxxy w/ me as mafia] & [tutuu eventually as town in severance, well this is murky bc jack vouched for me]

so this time around, they both townread me correctly from the bat

again, idk if its because they truly can recognize my town game or bc they are mafia and thus know who the townies are

[MacDougall]

DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.

pyxxy and i guess tutuu, but idk if its bc theyre scum and they know im town, or they legit can spot/recognize my town play

As in there have been games where they correctly read you but it's happened when they've been both alignments?

well idk their alignments this time around, but previous games they both ended up w/ correct reads on me [pyxxy w/ me as mafia] & [tutuu eventually as town in severance, well this is murky bc jack vouched for me]

so this time around, they both townread me correctly from the bat

again, idk if its because they truly can recognize my town game or bc they are mafia and thus know who the townies are

Oh you're answering as though I'm asking you to tell me who is townreading you. I'm asking who should be able to based on past experience including this game.

[DarlingMonroe]

DM if you had to pick 2 players in this game to read you accurately like all 3 of your lives depended on it, which 2 would you pick. You have to provide an answer even if there aren't any good ones.

pyxxy and i guess tutuu, but idk if its bc theyre scum and they know im town, or they legit can spot/recognize my town play

As in there have been games where they correctly read you but it's happened when they've been both alignments?

well idk their alignments this time around, but previous games they both ended up w/ correct reads on me [pyxxy w/ me as mafia] & [tutuu eventually as town in severance, well this is murky bc jack vouched for me]

so this time around, they both townread me correctly from the bat

again, idk if its because they truly can recognize my town game or bc they are mafia and thus know who the townies are

Oh you're answering as though I'm asking you to tell me who is townreading you. I'm asking who should be able to based on past experience including this game.

well, idk how to answer that; who should be able to read me? i mean everyone should be able to develop a read on me; which players have read me correctly? are the ones i already mentioned

[MacDougall]

omg who has the most experience with you

[DarlingMonroe]

"I'd have just ridden along with a vote on you." - You'd been townreading me all game and didn't have to vote me cuz town died anyway.

"If I didn't want to save Rondo I'd have just voted him." - He was green checked and both counterwagons were townies anyway.

Like thats twice now you've defended yourself with "I'd have done this as mafia" wifom arguments when no competent social deduction player would do those things.

Which is partially why I'm curious about your skill level because if you were experienced you'd also know both those arguments are whack and not use them as a defense.

So it ultimately is a wash.

If I ask why you're towny I kind of think my only answer is "I'm not sure they would post this productively and be this dogged as mafia" which isn't a great argument so you should be solved by players who have more experience than you. Especially because you've been lock townreading me all game so my perspective would be manipulated to view you positively.

i could have casted a vote and left, i didnt have to be online and could have kept my vote on rondo and pretended i didnt see the green check

and thats rich coming from you, when your votes have all been for town blood, so its not like your playing any better

and im not your average competent social deduction player? like what does that even mean?

and okay if those are arguments are whack, even though they are truthful, idk what you want

a fabricated lie?

so next time i play with you, i should just scum read you because you think your town game play reads wolf?

I struggle to comprehend what you just said but I'm past the point of caring about getting into a back and forth with you. I've done my best to figure out your alignment but ultimately haven't been able to ergo the question of who should solve you.

I'm not sure which part of what I said was "rich coming from you" or how what I said just there has anything to do with the fact your explanations don't make sense cuz I don't feel you (being a competent social deduction player) would have done either of those things as mafia. It was a compliment.

Pretending not to see it so you could leave your vote on Rondo is a reasonable enough argument.

No I don't want a fabricated lie. Obviously. I just want patience while I try to figure out whether you're being deceptive or not.

* what things?

* would have done either of those things as mafia? explain please

[MacDougall]

The things you are saying you would do as mafia a good wolf wouldn't have done because it would have outed you.

A good wolf wouldn't just pivot to vote Mac after pocketing him just because he has votes on him. Miselim occurred anyway.

A good wolf wouldn't vote out Rondo after he's green checked.

[DarlingMonroe]

omg who has the most experience with you

i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

[MacDougall]

So you're saying "I'd do not good wolf things". Hence I asked the crowd to explain whether you're a good wolf lol.

[MacDougall]

omg who has the most experience with you

i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.

[DarlingMonroe]

The things you are saying you would do as mafia a good wolf wouldn't have done because it would have outed you.

A good wolf wouldn't just pivot to vote Mac after pocketing him just because he has votes on him. Miselim occurred anyway.

A good wolf wouldn't vote out Rondo after he's green checked.

yeah, but i am not a good wolf, im a great one;

i mean a great wolf would have stayed quiet and would have let lc and rondo take the train and get the votes to elim you

a great wolf would have just not bothered, especially if all the lynch candidates were town

[DarlingMonroe]

omg who has the most experience with you

i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.

none of them

[MacDougall]

What a good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Steer Mac into comfort on his bad reads. Vote lhf Serhal but in a way that doesn't risk the Rondo tie turning into a tie with a teaamate like Pyxxy. Not vote a teammate into a threatening position.

What a not good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Throw it away to vote him despite having great positioning and no wolves feeling threatened. Vote Rondo after being green checked and outing yourself.

You are essentially saying "I'm not mafia because f I was I'd have done worse things" but in a way that implies you think those would have been the correct things lmao.

And the bizarre thing is that it's the towniest thing about you.

[MacDougall]

omg who has the most experience with you

i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.

none of them

Then you die anyway. So you have to pick. It's an experiment so humour me.

[DarlingMonroe]

What a good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Steer Mac into comfort on his bad reads. Vote lhf Serhal but in a way that doesn't risk the Rondo tie turning into a tie with a teaamate like Pyxxy. Not vote a teammate into a threatening position.

What a not good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Throw it away to vote him despite having great positioning and no wolves feeling threatened. Vote Rondo after being green checked and outing yourself.

You are essentially saying "I'm not mafia because f I was I'd have done worse things" but in a way that implies you think those would have been the correct things lmao.

And the bizarre thing is that it's the towniest thing about you.

you lot me here

[DarlingMonroe]

omg who has the most experience with you

i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.

none of them

Then you die anyway. So you have to pick. It's an experiment so humour me.

robyn and lc, but this is an odd set-up;

[DarlingMonroe]

What a good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Steer Mac into comfort on his bad reads. Vote lhf Serhal but in a way that doesn't risk the Rondo tie turning into a tie with a teaamate like Pyxxy. Not vote a teammate into a threatening position.

What a not good wolf would do. Pocket Mac. Throw it away to vote him despite having great positioning and no wolves feeling threatened. Vote Rondo after being green checked and outing yourself.

You are essentially saying "I'm not mafia because f I was I'd have done worse things" but in a way that implies you think those would have been the correct things lmao.

And the bizarre thing is that it's the towniest thing about you.

you lot me here

lost*

[MacDougall]

How have I lost you.

Your defense for "I'm not mafia" is to describe what no mafia player would do as though it is what you'd actually have done.

And now in your latest post you're describing what you actually did do re. Rondo as though that's what you didn't do.

I need 6 beers. And headache pills. Someone take over I'm dying.

[MacDougall]

omg who has the most experience with you

i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.

none of them

Then you die anyway. So you have to pick. It's an experiment so humour me.

robyn and lc, but this is an odd set-up;

@Scotty, why doesn't DM prefer you to read them in a life or death?

[DarlingMonroe]

How have I lost you.

Your defense for "I'm not mafia" is to describe what no mafia player would do as though it is what you'd actually have done.

And now in your latest post you're describing what you actually did do re. Rondo as though that's what you didn't do.

I need 6 beers. And headache pills. Someone take over I'm dying.

what? how?

[MacDougall]

Anyway with great fortune two of the players out of the three appear to be mechanically town so DM just gave @Long Con and @Scotty the job of being right about them.

Over to you gents. I've tried lol.

[DarlingMonroe]

omg who has the most experience with you

i think ive played the most games with robyn, lc, and scotty? so i guess if thats the measure they would have the most experience with me

Okay which of those two would you give the task of solving you if all three would die if they got it wrong lol.

none of them

Then you die anyway. So you have to pick. It's an experiment so humour me.

robyn and lc, but this is an odd set-up;

@Scotty, why doesn't DM prefer you to read them in a life or death?

i just never found scotty to provide any good reads re: me

while robyn and lc, they still read me wrong, but at least i feel more comfortable with them

[MacDougall]

How have I lost you.

Your defense for "I'm not mafia" is to describe what no mafia player would do as though it is what you'd actually have done.

And now in your latest post you're describing what you actually did do re. Rondo as though that's what you didn't do.

I need 6 beers. And headache pills. Someone take over I'm dying.

what? how?

You said a great wolf would sit back and let town do the dirty work.

You say back and let Rondo fall into a tie. That's quite literally what you did by voting Serhal over Pyxxy or Scotty.

[DarlingMonroe]

Anyway with great fortune two of the players out of the three appear to be mechanically town so DM just gave @Long Con and @Scotty the job of being right about them.

Over to you gents. I've tried lol.

you have just decided to not town read me bc i town read you, which is just strange

youre just finding any reason to wolf read me when truth is, im not wolf, so good luck with that

[DarlingMonroe]

How have I lost you.

Your defense for "I'm not mafia" is to describe what no mafia player would do as though it is what you'd actually have done.

And now in your latest post you're describing what you actually did do re. Rondo as though that's what you didn't do.

I need 6 beers. And headache pills. Someone take over I'm dying.

what? how?

You said a great wolf would sit back and let town do the dirty work.

You say back and let Rondo fall into a tie. That's quite literally what you did by voting Serhal over Pyxxy or Scotty.

Hmmm, if voting for someone i legit scum read incorrectly is taking a seat back, i think we have diff approaches to sitting back; again, great wolf would have just let town vote you out and not step in when i did

[MacDougall]

Anyway with great fortune two of the players out of the three appear to be mechanically town so DM just gave @Long Con and @Scotty the job of being right about them.

Over to you gents. I've tried lol.

you have just decided to not town read me bc i town read you, which is just strange

youre just finding any reason to wolf read me when truth is, im not wolf, so good luck with that

That's not true. I'm not even wolfreading you that much. You're just not mechanically town and I'm trying to solve you by questioning you. It's more like a cross examination than an accusation.

[MacDougall]

How have I lost you.

Your defense for "I'm not mafia" is to describe what no mafia player would do as though it is what you'd actually have done.

And now in your latest post you're describing what you actually did do re. Rondo as though that's what you didn't do.

I need 6 beers. And headache pills. Someone take over I'm dying.

what? how?

You said a great wolf would sit back and let town do the dirty work.

You say back and let Rondo fall into a tie. That's quite literally what you did by voting Serhal over Pyxxy or Scotty.

Hmmm, if voting for someone i legit scum read incorrectly is taking a seat back, i think we have diff approaches to sitting back; again, great wolf would have just let town vote you out and not step in when i did

Show me how you prevented me getting voted out again.

[MacDougall]

Also you just slipped that you know I'm town.