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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
[VOTE:
cape] aubergine
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:48 pmBack to this huh?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:46 pm
I feel YOU are sketch for pressuring Sheep & then voting SPF D1
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
Sigh
You still feel nutella is W?
How many wolves would you speculate there are? If 3, who's the third?
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 1]
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:50 pmohh right hmmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:47 pmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm
Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?
This has never sat well w/ me
okay so it's probably one of cape or spf and not both
my poor ego if spf was town all along...
Given Porscha's flip, I think it looks good for Wilgy as well (assuming cape's Maf)
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
trace this connection for me?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:59 pm Given Porscha's flip, I think it looks good for Wilgy as well (assuming cape's Maf)
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:00 pmtrace this connection for me?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:59 pm Given Porscha's flip, I think it looks good for Wilgy as well (assuming cape's Maf)
The multitags got me mixed up.
It does look good for Wilgy based off Sheep's flip. Sheep (somewhat awkwardly) brings up a thunderdome between Porscha & Wilgy
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 1]
Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pmi like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)
This one here
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
Is the solve just Cape & TSP?
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
Alright, I gotta walk around, I'm fuckin' wired after that flip
@Cape90 If not you, then who?
@Cape90 If not you, then who?
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
Is there a reason we no longer suspect Nutella?
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 2]
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:47 amThink back to literally every game you’ve played with LC. Like, all of them. He may be inscrutable as town, but he’s extremely scrutable when he’s bad.
Can you really imagine civvie LC pushing so much chaos into the thread in the way he’s doing? To be spewing ridiculous accusations against everyone left and right? This isn’t at all civ LC. His tone is entirely FEB LC
Also, you voted for him. Stick with your instinct that he is baddie mcbaderson.
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm The truly funny thing is that LC knows that I’m not going to be able to convince this group I’m right that he’s bad. Because it’s based on meta. And I haven’t been back long enough for the new wave of players doesn’t get how I think—and certainly doesn’t know which players I can accurately read. (There is only 1 player whom I could read better than LC—and if that player ever returned, I’m pretty sure I’d still be able to read him, as I can LC). But nearly no one knows that history.
Wilgy could theoretically remember, but I don’t think we played that much together—and that he would necessarily remember. But you know who does know this? Nutella.
And thinking that through, has caused me to start suspecting her. I am starting to believe that no matter which of them wins, the mafia loses a vote in the game and gains a prize.
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:49 pm I’d prefer to vote Nutella, personally.
At the moment, I’m way more convinced that LC is bad than that LA is (although I don’t think she’s civ, at the moment). I remain completely confident that LC is bad. AND, if they are both bad, LA would do much less chaos spewing, because style.
Now, to figure out whose is which.
Or strategize how to make the voting collectively for the best result.
I read this, and I see you SRing Nut simply because they didn't see what you saw in LC.
What else is informing the read?
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 2]
Mostly tone. Plus, lack of actually engaging with me, despite naming me as a suspect for days. I realize that's not much--but since so many suspected her recently, I'm curious why everyone seems to have dropped her.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:37 pmLoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:47 amThink back to literally every game you’ve played with LC. Like, all of them. He may be inscrutable as town, but he’s extremely scrutable when he’s bad.
Can you really imagine civvie LC pushing so much chaos into the thread in the way he’s doing? To be spewing ridiculous accusations against everyone left and right? This isn’t at all civ LC. His tone is entirely FEB LC
Also, you voted for him. Stick with your instinct that he is baddie mcbaderson.LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm The truly funny thing is that LC knows that I’m not going to be able to convince this group I’m right that he’s bad. Because it’s based on meta. And I haven’t been back long enough for the new wave of players doesn’t get how I think—and certainly doesn’t know which players I can accurately read. (There is only 1 player whom I could read better than LC—and if that player ever returned, I’m pretty sure I’d still be able to read him, as I can LC). But nearly no one knows that history.
Wilgy could theoretically remember, but I don’t think we played that much together—and that he would necessarily remember. But you know who does know this? Nutella.
And thinking that through, has caused me to start suspecting her. I am starting to believe that no matter which of them wins, the mafia loses a vote in the game and gains a prize.LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:49 pm I’d prefer to vote Nutella, personally.
At the moment, I’m way more convinced that LC is bad than that LA is (although I don’t think she’s civ, at the moment). I remain completely confident that LC is bad. AND, if they are both bad, LA would do much less chaos spewing, because style.
Now, to figure out whose is which.
Or strategize how to make the voting collectively for the best result.
I read this, and I see you SRing Nut simply because they didn't see what you saw in LC.
What else is informing the read?
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Do we all feel we had 2 Maf up for flip last RD?
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
That's what my gut tells me.
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
I mean, Nutella still very much COULD be a wolf. The Robyn vote still feels abit shite and that wagon being t: t, t inherently feels wrong to me.
BUT town can make shite votes. I should actually do vca and assocs.
BUT town can make shite votes. I should actually do vca and assocs.
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lol, the only player's that voted for Sheep's song were Cape and I.
I do think that likely puts more plausibility into having multiple wolves on stage last round. Either that or TSP who didn't show up to vote is wolf.
I do think that likely puts more plausibility into having multiple wolves on stage last round. Either that or TSP who didn't show up to vote is wolf.
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Hmmmmmmm
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It would appear Maf bussed w/ town consensus on the songs, unless both nut/spf are Maf, or...
@TonyStarkPrime You Maf?
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
d1
d2robyn
Voters: Long Con, nutella
Sheep
Voters: Pyxxy
Cape90
Voters: falcon45ca
Long Con
Voters: Porscha
Pyxxy
Voters: robyn, DrWilgy, Cape90, ☆Princess Abigail☆
n2TonyStarkPrime
Voters: Porscha
nutella
Voters: Long Con, staypositivefriend, Cape90, Pyxxy
Cape90
Voters: DrWilgy
Long Con
Voters: LoRab, nutella
DrWilgy
Voters: falcon45ca
d3Cloud Cult - Chemicals Collide
Voters: staypositivefriend, LoRab
Holy Holy - Starting Line
Voters: Porscha, DrWilgy, Sheep, Pyxxy, Cape90, falcon45ca
n3nutella
Voters: LoRab, Cape90, staypositivefriend
Sheep
Voters: falcon45ca, Pyxxy
Cape90
Voters: DrWilgy
staypositivefriend
Voters: nutella
falcon45ca
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
glass beach - glass beach
Voters: DrWilgy, LoRab, falcon45ca, Cape90
Lady Lamb - Crane Your Neck
Pyxxy
Cricket! - 1-Up
Voters: None
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
Recent flips aren't really changing my perspective of the game in terms of specific players. Nutella's D1 is still poor, Cape looks like they just SHOULD be a wolf.
Nutella being the vote on Robyn that kept Cape out of a battle is observable d1. That's a thing, I guess, but Cape also sent Nut to battle twice now AND didn't save Sheep n3.
EHHHHHH
Nutella/Cape/Sheep might just be incorrect the more I think about it. Like, there could be 1 in Cape/Nut, but I don't think Cape is ever with both Nut and Sheep.
Nutella being the vote on Robyn that kept Cape out of a battle is observable d1. That's a thing, I guess, but Cape also sent Nut to battle twice now AND didn't save Sheep n3.
EHHHHHH
Nutella/Cape/Sheep might just be incorrect the more I think about it. Like, there could be 1 in Cape/Nut, but I don't think Cape is ever with both Nut and Sheep.
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
Really starting to think that the reason why the wagons might have been so shite d1 was just out of wolves being not really around. That may be the reason why me thinking both Nut/Cape should be wolf based on vote when in practice it doesn't make sense.
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
[VOTE:
tsp] aubergine
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
me when i nightkill one of the main people pushing on me and then lie about their reads as an excuse to continue tunneling on a villager
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
still processing things generally but the main takeaway for me after reading through the last few pages is that i think falcon is town
personally i found it pretty towny that he was one of the first ppl to point out that he thought i submitted the glass beach song (which was a banger) even though he said he didn't like it and could have easily used that as an excuse to vote for one of nut/sheep to get the prize instead
to me it was towny that he was pushing the thread in the direction of letting me get the prize without really like directly advocating for it in a way that would give him credit - just strikes me as a weird angle for him to take if he's wolfing here
personally i found it pretty towny that he was one of the first ppl to point out that he thought i submitted the glass beach song (which was a banger) even though he said he didn't like it and could have easily used that as an excuse to vote for one of nut/sheep to get the prize instead
to me it was towny that he was pushing the thread in the direction of letting me get the prize without really like directly advocating for it in a way that would give him credit - just strikes me as a weird angle for him to take if he's wolfing here
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also yes i got the prize
the basic idea behind the prize is that the next time im voted to perform during the nightphase, i get to choose two different songs and all the votes for both songs will be counted toward me
it's pretty cool
the basic idea behind the prize is that the next time im voted to perform during the nightphase, i get to choose two different songs and all the votes for both songs will be counted toward me
it's pretty cool
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
i gotta admit that i'm still quite tunneled on nutella - did not like the way she used an incorrect framing pfyxyy's legacy as an excuse to continue pushing me today, do not like that she's not really trying to solve outside of me at all (though i guess you could say this is the pot calling the kettle black in some ways) and generally just think she has the worst vibes out of anyone here
that said i will dedicate some time to looking through the sheep spew and such to figure out if there's another wolf alive ~with~ nutella or who the maf might be in a world where nut is town
that said i will dedicate some time to looking through the sheep spew and such to figure out if there's another wolf alive ~with~ nutella or who the maf might be in a world where nut is town
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im also just going to give the disclaimer that my WIM is pretty shot right now for non-mafia related reasons but gonna do my best to keep up with this game anyway
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
tbh standard forum mafia logic tells me that there should be two wolves alive right now
or at least i think it's correct to play today with the assumption that there are
or at least i think it's correct to play today with the assumption that there are
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 3]
Are you calling Wilgy scum here?Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pmThis might be scum. But I don't wanna put this up based on effort
Cuz later (not much later) you post this
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 2]
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:31 pmslightly bothered by this and the Abi segment in generalDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:28 pmAye, so it is in fact risky for a wolf to say. Wolves, who are too wrong too often, inevitably run the course of 'why are they wrong so much? Oh, its because they are a wolf' by enabling being wrong, for seemingly no reward, all it does is add content to the thread that help us explore LoRab's headspace. I don't think a W actively needs to do that, so why would W LoRab do this?Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.
It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.Spoiler: show
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.
That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.
There definitely is a sense of 'credit' when a flip hasn't happened yet. It goes back to the 'correct vs incorrect' at the very least, LoRab would've obtained the argument 'BUT I WAS CORRECT ABOUT W ROBYN' vote placed or not.
Pretty sure SPF saw the same thing and said specifically, if LoRab was a wolf, that the post is clever, and I agree with that completely. If LoRab is a wolf and made that post, it very effectively broke down a sense of TMI in town observers and also put them on the incorrect side of the flip, trading that cushion for a firm appearance as town. I really don't think wolves inherently do that, if W LoRab did it was in fact very lv3 wolf play, and thus it's just more likely a town play.Abi as a player makes very good town reads regardless of alignment. They either utilize TMI OR they are just good at town reading the correct players. When Abi is correct too often or incorrect too often, can you find the reason as to why they were incorrect? That's how you find Abi's alignment. If Abi gives an unearned tr that is incorrect, you probably found their partner. When Abi doesn't give a tr that should be more obvious, that's where you've found their push. It's very much a meta call on this behavior, but it's observable and I've seen it several times now. Abi is hard to read d1 and easier to read late game because of this and thus the read on Abi becomes 'inevitable.'Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?Spoiler: show
Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.
Hmmmmmmm
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 2]
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:13 pmYou know, that is the problem I have with the setup though, it encourages play like this instead of what I imagine the intention is which is... you know, an actual fair battle of the bands thing going on, like we aren't incentivized to be honest with our votes when the time comesstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:12 pm quick thought about mechanics: i think the optimal way to play this setup is to treat it like a normal mafia game, and simply do your best to figure out which person u want to vote out picked which song
this incentivizes t he wolfteam to choose songs that would be really hard to identify as coming from them, which is something im keeping in mind
This, much like Sheep's opinion on the 'spirit of the game', is an inherently wolfy perspective.
There is no way that Epi thought "I bet Town will turn off their cognitive reasoning, and rather than try to discern and consequently vote for whom they believe to be Maf, will simply select their fav song"
That would be illogical
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 1]
Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:15 amthat was not serious mostly bc i was bored bc nothing was happeningCape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pmare you trying to force a thunderdome...Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pmi like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)
i don't like this post from cape which means he's in town meta (for having a odd read on me specifically)
This is the only direct interaction I can find between Sheep & Cape, and it's what would look to be Sheep's sus of Cape, but is actually a TR
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 1]
Sheep's not afraid to push Town, albeit in a manner which makes it easy to pivot
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 1]
Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:31 am ok i have no motivation to make reads besides a "wilgy feels weird both in general and from what i remember of playstyle but idk it's probably a thing, porscha's towny but i also have no confidence in that, long con pings is probably just a player thing"
but based on page 3 looks like rest of pl doesn't have a lot of interest in solving either so i can absolve myself of guilt to some extent
Gives Wilgy a SR w/ easy pivot
Gives Porscha a TR w/ easy pivot
Gives a NAI read on LC
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 3]
It's worth noting that this is far and away the largest post that Sheep has, and it's on the heels of pyxxy sus of WilgySheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:11 ambecause you were presenting it like it was (at least in the tone i was reading it), maybe not a slam dunk but certainly like it was somethingDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:02 amCool, glad we've presented why these are in fact agenda based. Glad we've also presented why you think I'd assume it's a slam dunk.Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:51 amI feel like all of these could be agenda-based at least enough that it's not the slam dunk you're presenting it asDrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:48 pmseems like you're saying that I'm a wolf for doing what I need to do to catch the wolves in a way that doesn't really give me anything contextually to know what exactly you're talking about.
Like, did I have an agenda when I was concerned with SPF being able to call LC and Nutella's submissions?
did I have an agenda realizing that I think Cape is more wolfy than not?
did I have an agenda begrudgingly removing Sheep from PoE for abit as players states my read was wrong?
did I have an agenda in thinking I've found town Falcon?
did I have an agenda seeing your presence vs content d1 and finding that wolfy?
Where is my agenda my friend? I have way more content than just gut feels. Who's my teammate and what exactly is the angle of you think you see one.
Now that all my townread except Falc are dead, who's my teammate? Who am I wrongly pushing and who haven't I pushed enough from your perspective?
also hhhh i need to make reads and you guys hanged robyn d1
i'm by no means an agenda expert because that's not normally how i wolf but sure let's go thing by thing
"being concerned about spf being able to call the submissions" i mean this isn't an "agenda" per se unless your plan is to push spf, which is possible but it is very possible for maf to be concerned about town guessing submissions while realisticallly it means nothing
the word "realizing" in the second one wowee yeah that's kind of something you would do with an agenda (at least as i see it) where you re-evaluate and see who is pushable
"for a bit" makes removing somebody null because it doesn't affect your larger plan especially begrudgingly it's easy to just do that for towncred
more than likely the "agenda'd" explanation for finding town falcon is realizing somebody else is more push-able or whatever.
from my experience i think pyxxy is decently pushable so yeah sure
i don't know if i'm completely deranged but i think "having reasoning that's vaguely townlike" is fakeable though i'm missing the context for these and like i said i'm not too familiar with an agenda which is why i didn't explain it but yeah burden of proof my bad /gen
this isn't to say that these need to be agenda'd but i feel like the point you're trying to make here just doesn't work
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 1]
The only interaction between Sheep & TSPSheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:57 ami have faint memories of falcon making pushes like this as town but also they are faint and i see what you mean in that the question is performative but also lol this feels like overanalysis with the benefit of hindsightTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:39 pmClassic falcon wolf postfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm
Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:39 pmClassic falcon wolf postfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pmCape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pmare you trying to force a thunderdome...Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pmi like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)
Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?
Noted that TSP is calling me a wolf for implying Cape & Sheep are teamed
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falcon ITT right now
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Erry'body else this AM
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that’s not whyfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:36 amTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:39 pmClassic falcon wolf postfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm
Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?
Noted that TSP is calling me a wolf for implying Cape & Sheep are teamed
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I did not read nor care about the contents of the ost
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they’re good reasonsnutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:44 pmtsp lean town for bad reasonsfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:40 pm TSP, Lorab, Cape
I'd like to hear what @DrWilgy @nutella @staypositivefriend think of those 3
lorab lean wolf
cape has trended down
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OK...TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:48 pm I did not read nor care about the contents of the ost
What have you read, and what do you care about?
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:50 pm literally like cmon it's never the person you shrug into after shrugging into questionable day 1 and day 2s
Who is this person you were worried about?
It feels like it was Sheep, but you tell me
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it wasn’t anybody
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punctuation, fun, and how passive aggressive it isfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:44 pmOK...TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:48 pm I did not read nor care about the contents of the ost
What have you read, and what do you care about?
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But yes it would have been sheep
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Re: Battle of the Bands Mafia [Day 4]
What can I say, generalizations are bad