US National Parks Mafia [DAY 4]

[Epignosis]

Only real immediate thoughts without context is that there is a world where LC OR Delta was saved here, but this would need to be checked against when Epi moved their vote.
i.e. Delta/Epi becomes real if Epi moved to DM after LC/Pyx voted Delta.

I moved precisely to save Delta. Delta is the one individual I trusted Day 1.

Do you still feel this way?

Nothing has changed for me regarding Delta. We were mafia together once though and I don't remember how Delta played in that capacity. Certainly nothing against Delta- I am old and feeble these days, and I'm not going back to reread stuff.

[Epignosis]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

[Epignosis]

Yeah, Long Con sounds like a crotchety civilian. Won't vote there.

[Epignosis]

Epi's posting D2 isnt great honestly

I strive for decent, not great.

[Epignosis]

I don't think I'm voting for S~V~S either. While I understand the enthusiasm for national parks, I wasn't thrilled about the lack of engagement outside of that, but S~V~S is not the sort to just leave her teammate hanging.

[Long Con]

Yes I'm using the Caitlinian catch up method on a diff forum than MU!

What is this method?

[Epignosis]

This leaves me with a vote on Caitlin, DrWilgy, or pyxxy.

[Epignosis]

Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Why is pyxxy in that list?

Covered it yesterday but if he's mafia, he's adding so many extra steps to how he's approaching things to the point it feels unnecessary. Like the vote on me being because he found I blanked him over just saying he's shielding DM; as mafia I'd assume the latter would be the explanation given. Backreading EOD1 his defence does feel genuine so shrug
I have also liked his d2 and how he's approached things.

Do you believe mafia members only do the bare minimum to get by?

[Epignosis]

This leaves me with a vote on Caitlin, DrWilgy, or pyxxy.

And, if this is correct, one of these two is throwing the other under the bus.

[Epignosis]

Man my issue is I read Wilgy's D1 and like

I dont have an issue with him? Like.

I dunno what's stopping me from throwing him in that list really? Had a similar vibe d1 where it's like 'I should probably just town him and I dont know whats preventing that' other than pure gut vibe

Yes, Wilgy is posting fine, but how do you explain why Wilgy/Epi/Pyxxy all survived the night if theyre all town?

This question baffles me.

The mafia only pick one out of half a dozen names. We weren't picked. Q.E.D.

[Epignosis]

Reading through Caitlin's posts, all I got is "I'm voting Wilgy because of NKA" after Night 1 while asking that ^.

[Epignosis]

hmmm lemme see how this feels [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

How does it feel, pyxxy?

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

[Long Con]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

As someone who is never in the townxore, I strongly disagree. Look what it took to get any consideration, I had to cry like a bitch.

This leaves me with a vote on Caitlin, DrWilgy, or pyxxy.

And, if this is correct, one of these two is throwing the other under the bus.

I was going to say the same, it would be some bussing.... if Wilgy is wolf. Not so much if it's Cait-pyxxy?

hmmm lemme see how this feels [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

How does it feel, pyxxy?

LOL beat me to it.

[Delta]

Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Why is pyxxy in that list?

Covered it yesterday but if he's mafia, he's adding so many extra steps to how he's approaching things to the point it feels unnecessary. Like the vote on me being because he found I blanked him over just saying he's shielding DM; as mafia I'd assume the latter would be the explanation given. Backreading EOD1 his defence does feel genuine so shrug
I have also liked his d2 and how he's approached things.

Do you believe mafia members only do the bare minimum to get by?

Not necessarily? But considering EOD was v/v wagons it's more 'why add all these extra steps when the current state of things is good for mafia anyway?'

At best he could be mafia with LC? In that situation I can kinda see why he deflects onto me there since I believe LC was at risk at that point too. But I dont see him being mafia independently so it's tough

[Long Con]

Wilgy has the most psycho bussing ability I have heard of, for the record.

[Epignosis]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

As someone who is never in the townxore, I strongly disagree. Look what it took to get any consideration, I had to cry like a bitch.

I think that as someone who never gets into that list, it's a testament to how amazing your skills as mafia are.

Or...you know...

...you're just polarized.

[Long Con]

Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Why is pyxxy in that list?

Covered it yesterday but if he's mafia, he's adding so many extra steps to how he's approaching things to the point it feels unnecessary. Like the vote on me being because he found I blanked him over just saying he's shielding DM; as mafia I'd assume the latter would be the explanation given. Backreading EOD1 his defence does feel genuine so shrug
I have also liked his d2 and how he's approached things.

Do you believe mafia members only do the bare minimum to get by?

Not necessarily? But considering EOD was v/v wagons it's more 'why add all these extra steps when the current state of things is good for mafia anyway?'

At best he could be mafia with LC? In that situation I can kinda see why he deflects onto me there since I believe LC was at risk at that point too. But I dont see him being mafia independently so it's tough

I was saving myself just fine when pyxxy came along and really pushed and cajoled me to vote you. My self-save would have been DM-voting, which pyxxy knew.

[Long Con]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

As someone who is never in the townxore, I strongly disagree. Look what it took to get any consideration, I had to cry like a bitch.

I think that as someone who never gets into that list, it's a testament to how amazing your skills as mafia are.

Or...you know...

...you're just polarized.

That's like the latest cool slang, isn't it?

I do like that angle, I've been beleaguered town so often since my return... I just don't know.

[Epignosis]

Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Why is pyxxy in that list?

Covered it yesterday but if he's mafia, he's adding so many extra steps to how he's approaching things to the point it feels unnecessary. Like the vote on me being because he found I blanked him over just saying he's shielding DM; as mafia I'd assume the latter would be the explanation given. Backreading EOD1 his defence does feel genuine so shrug
I have also liked his d2 and how he's approached things.

Do you believe mafia members only do the bare minimum to get by?

Not necessarily? But considering EOD was v/v wagons it's more 'why add all these extra steps when the current state of things is good for mafia anyway?'

At best he could be mafia with LC? In that situation I can kinda see why he deflects onto me there since I believe LC was at risk at that point too. But I dont see him being mafia independently so it's tough

Oh, okay. I think I misunderstood what you were staying.

In that case, you're operating under the premise that anybody who lifts a finger at the end of the Day phase when it's unnecessary to secure a good lynch for the mafia is probably good. I get that idea, but would submit that it's not always right.

[Epignosis]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

As someone who is never in the townxore, I strongly disagree. Look what it took to get any consideration, I had to cry like a bitch.

I think that as someone who never gets into that list, it's a testament to how amazing your skills as mafia are.

Or...you know...

...you're just polarized.

That's like the latest cool slang, isn't it?

I do like that angle, I've been beleaguered town so often since my return... I just don't know.

You're a good civilian. Some of us are just shit at seeing it because we've had our asses handed to us too many times.

[Delta]

@Epignosis can I get your thoughts on Wilgy here?

[Epignosis]

Well, as I said, if I had three lynches today, it's Wilgy, Caitlin, pyxxy.

Wilgy has two votes from the latter, and I don't understand why either are voting him.

[Epignosis]

Wilgy looks more like he's trying to work things out. Caitlin and pyxxy? I don't get that impression compared to him.

[Epignosis]

And just to be clear, if Wilgy IS mafia, neither of those two get any credit from me for that reason.

[Delta]

Mild dilemma; I think Wilgy is more likely to be a hit than Pyxxy, but think the Pyxxy wagon is 100% pure. So it's like. Sheep more certain townreads or go with reads? ;_;

[Delta]

I think LC towntold hard earlier and that's a read I'm more sure on going into EOD, but in saying that it's like 'damn was the wagon on me pure? that sucks lol' because I'm unsure on Pyxxy flipping wolf

[Epignosis]

Mild dilemma; I think Wilgy is more likely to be a hit than Pyxxy, but think the Pyxxy wagon is 100% pure. So it's like. Sheep more certain townreads or go with reads? ;_;

Do me a solid and list those people (trust, don't trust). Suppertime here.

[Delta]

Mild dilemma; I think Wilgy is more likely to be a hit than Pyxxy, but think the Pyxxy wagon is 100% pure. So it's like. Sheep more certain townreads or go with reads? ;_;

Do me a solid and list those people (trust, don't trust). Suppertime here.

It'll be a brief outline but on it \o/ give me a bit of time

[pyxxy]

waddap gamers

[Long Con]

If it's Caitlin and Wilgy, how do we get past their cross-voting right now? There are so few players. If we get one wolf today, does that earn us two mistakes? Or is there just one no matter what? My brain is tired
My everything is tired
Last day at Disney.

[pyxxy]

@Epignosis can I help you

[Epignosis]

You could kill me.

[pyxxy]

:/

[pyxxy]

Hm

If I take my 3 main townreads and set them into a safe lil corner, it leaves me with 2 in Wilgy/SVS/LC

Wilgy/SVS dont work because of how SVS reacted to pressure from Wilgy - felt very reactive, compared to how I expect a wolf would view pressure from a partner which wouldn't be as worried

LC/SVS you talked about earlier, feels vaguely unlikely but nothing solid considering I spent the past few days thinking one of Epi's posts was said by LC x_x

And LC/Wilgy I havent really looked into at all, though I would like to mention that the Falcon NK is probably favorable to them due to Falcon's vote on LC & it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today. Aside from that I honestly couldnt tell you if these work or not off the top of my head ;_;

do you read falcon's death as more the LC side of things or the Wilgy side of things?

What is the Wilgy side of things re Falcon's death?

quoth delta in the post you quoted:
"it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today"

I see.

:\

[pyxxy]

- Caitlin's town reads into choosing to kill in those townreads still scratching at me as it feels inorganic.

Why though

Can you genuinely tell me that if you were say, two of me/SVS/Delta/LC that you'd actually kill Falcon instead of one of the high content slots?

Because your conclusion is very 1 dimensional and goes against your reads keeping your PoE open.

Further it only takes one of those to commit the kill and there plenty of reasons why each would do so even if it's half WIFOM. Most nka is and I've even iterated as to why this level 1 nka of yours is one of many that could be made. The fact that you choose to subscribe to it really feels gross and somewhat arbitrary. Like, why me over the other high posters?

wilgy mad

[Epignosis]

:/

My other lean is to vote Caitlin.

[pyxxy]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

ah

so you're back to pocketing LC then

[Epignosis]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

ah

so you're back to pocketing LC then

Given that LC is in Disney World and I'm working right now, it might be that I don't have a pocket to fit LC in.

[Long Con]

I never see Long Con as low-hanging fruit. Ever. That's bullshit. BUT, I believe LC sees himself that way here. Probably not voting there today, and I'll admit I do have a bias against Long Con in Mafia.

ah

so you're back to pocketing LC then

He's damn good at it.

[pyxxy]

hmmm lemme see how this feels [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

How does it feel, pyxxy?

it felt good

it always feels good to vote Wilgy. that's my problem

[Long Con]

:/

My other lean is to vote Caitlin.

I would do it.

[Delta]

Sorry Epi I'm kinda just staring at the box not really knowing how to get my thoughts down, I promise I'm not just blanking this ;_;

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

so this is just because I'm in your solve, and not for any specific reason?

[Long Con]

hmmm lemme see how this feels [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

How does it feel, pyxxy?

it felt good

it always feels good to vote Wilgy. that's my problem

I don't feel good about it any more, generally. Only recently did I realize how good he is at this game. I thought he was a Goofy Gus.

[pyxxy]

+ you're just stacking on me with Long Con

[S~V~S]

:/

My other lean is to vote Caitlin.

Why? I think her trying to analyze a night kill is a good look. Especially in mountainous, when baddies don't have to think about things like, "I want to kill someone who will die, and not be protected etc". Like when I'm bad, I often will pick a somewhat townieish mid poster I doubt will be protected. But in a 9 player mountainous, you don't have the luxury of mystery kills. You have to make it count.

Or did I miss something else she may have done? My catch up has been spotty.

[pyxxy]

Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Why is pyxxy in that list?

Covered it yesterday but if he's mafia, he's adding so many extra steps to how he's approaching things to the point it feels unnecessary. Like the vote on me being because he found I blanked him over just saying he's shielding DM; as mafia I'd assume the latter would be the explanation given. Backreading EOD1 his defence does feel genuine so shrug
I have also liked his d2 and how he's approached things.

Do you believe mafia members only do the bare minimum to get by?

Not necessarily? But considering EOD was v/v wagons it's more 'why add all these extra steps when the current state of things is good for mafia anyway?'

At best he could be mafia with LC? In that situation I can kinda see why he deflects onto me there since I believe LC was at risk at that point too. But I dont see him being mafia independently so it's tough

I'm mafia with LC if LC miraculously pulls off me before EOD

yes this is a reverse jinx attempt

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

so this is just because I'm in your solve, and not for any specific reason?

hmmm lemme see how this feels [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

How does it feel, pyxxy?

it felt good

it always feels good to vote Wilgy. that's my problem

Why can't you vote for someone else? Ask people questions? Form new opinions? You voted me for no reason then voted Wilgy for no reason. You have no reason to vote anybody. That's my issue with you.

[Epignosis]

+ you're just stacking on me with Long Con