US National Parks Mafia [DAY 4]

[Long Con]

jay giving me a heart attack man ;_;

still here kinda I'm just checking for something, will vote to save Cait

So, Wilgy?

[Caitlin]

Epi's 30 mins are taking very long ngl

What are the odds Epi is mafia and made the same mistake as me so they thought their 'brb' would allow them to skip the final half hour

[Long Con]

Epi's 30 mins are taking very long ngl

What are the odds Epi is mafia and made the same mistake as me so they thought their 'brb' would allow them to skip the final half hour

Epi.... knows when day ends.

[Delta]

jay giving me a heart attack man ;_;

still here kinda I'm just checking for something, will vote to save Cait

So, Wilgy?

I'm mainly double checking smthn about SVS but otherwise yeah

[Caitlin]

Epi's 30 mins are taking very long ngl

What are the odds Epi is mafia and made the same mistake as me so they thought their 'brb' would allow them to skip the final half hour

Epi.... knows when day ends.

They do? Okay

The 30 mins still long thoughhhhh

Its been nearly 50

[Long Con]

jay giving me a heart attack man ;_;

still here kinda I'm just checking for something, will vote to save Cait

So, Wilgy?

I'm mainly double checking smthn about SVS but otherwise yeah

I can switch to SVS.

[Long Con]

Epi's 30 mins are taking very long ngl

What are the odds Epi is mafia and made the same mistake as me so they thought their 'brb' would allow them to skip the final half hour

Epi.... knows when day ends.

They do? Okay

The 30 mins still long thoughhhhh

Its been nearly 50

I would say he does, anyway. I guess if JJJ can make that mistake, anyone can.

[Epignosis]

Please don't go for me on me vs. the Host. That's bullshit I won't do.

[Caitlin]

Epi's 30 mins are taking very long ngl

What are the odds Epi is mafia and made the same mistake as me so they thought their 'brb' would allow them to skip the final half hour

Epi.... knows when day ends.

They do? Okay

The 30 mins still long thoughhhhh

Its been nearly 50

I would say he does, anyway. I guess if JJJ can make that mistake, anyone can.

True I guess

But it's totally sus

[Epignosis]

I have three minutes or so left. I was delayed.

[Caitlin]

Please don't go for me on me vs. the Host. That's bullshit I won't do.

What does the Host have to do with this?

[Epignosis]

I don't even know there was a mistake made. I'm just seeing shit I don't like.

[Caitlin]

I can switch to SVS.

If ppl vote SVS I can't stop y'all so don't consider yourself stopped by my TR

[Long Con]

Please don't go for me on me vs. the Host. That's bullshit I won't do.

No no not like that

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

[Caitlin]

I don't even know there was a mistake made. I'm just seeing shit I don't like.

Well apparantly the day didnt end at :00 when I assumed it did

[Delta]

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

very sorry if wrong

[Epignosis]

Please don't go for me on me vs. the Host. That's bullshit I won't do.

No no not like that

Okay- sorry if I misunderstood.

[DrWilgy]

Why am I lead wagon?

[Long Con]

I can switch to SVS.

If ppl vote SVS I can't stop y'all so don't consider yourself stopped by my TR

Just ties suck sort of

[Caitlin]

Wait since when is Delta on Wilgy

Suddenly see it in the poll

[Caitlin]

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

very sorry if wrong

Oh

[Delta]

I remember why I sleep through EODs now this is stressful ;_;

[pyxxy]

hm

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Pyx ] aubergine

Why do we wait till EoD for this?

[Caitlin]

Why am I lead wagon?

Well I somewhat townslipped so now theyre sheeping me

[Delta]

v worried about SVS but no confidence to lead anything there

[pyxxy]

what if I rand lol

[Caitlin]

Being followed makes me paranoid and scared though :/

I rlly rlly hope Wilgy is red

[Delta]

idk glgl

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Pyx ] aubergine

Why do we wait till EoD for this?

We have been here

[Caitlin]

what if I rand lol

Why wouldnt you break it 4-3?

[Delta]

what if I rand lol

oh dear

[pyxxy]

fine vote wilgy

[pyxxy]

epi will roast me for this im sure

[Long Con]

Lol tie

[JaggedJimmyJay]

LOCKED

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DrWilgy was eliminated. He was:

Spoiler: show

mafia

Apologies for my deadline confusion earlier. I am getting annihilated by work distractions and lost track of myself.

Night 2 will last 48 hours.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No.

It will last 24 hours.

*punches computer screen*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DrWilgy was Cuyahoga Valley National Park

Near Cleveland, Ohio



It's not a bad place at all. It was nice when I strolled around. But let's be serious -- this is only a "National Park" so Ohio can be included in the National Park discourse. The most significant attractions are covered bridges. Hocking Hills would have been a better National Park option for the state of Ohio.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 2 elimination
Poll ended at Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:25 pm


Caitlin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Delta
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
4
44%
Voters: Delta, pyxxy, Caitlin, Long Con
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
3
33%
Voters: DrWilgy, S~V~S, Epignosis
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Other
2
22%
Voters: Scotty, JaggedJimmyJay
Total votes: 9

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Night 2 has ended. Delta was killed. He was the guy @Scotty observed ignoring the signs. Civilian

Glacier National Park

Near Browning, Montana



Of the US National Parks I have visited, this is my favorite. It offers much of the same mountainous natural appeal of the likes of Rocky Mountain or Grand Teton National Park with considerably less tourist activity, incredibly clear waters, and the smell of fresh cold air.

Day 3 will last 48 hours.

[Long Con]

Woo hoo! And RIP Delta.

[Long Con]

So, damn, down to five already. Basic logic would tell us that it's Epi ot SVS.

If it's Caitlin, well, gg. Pyxxy scrambled to Wilgy last second.

Also, just picked up our luggage at baggage claim. Back home! Can't wait to see our husky.

[Caitlin]

Zzzz tired and I'll sleep but I agree with LC

Honestly though I thought me or Pyxxy would die but I guess Delta isn't that weird of a kill either

Leaning Epi > SVS but SVS also has more motive to keep me alive so /shrug

[Epignosis]

I'm not mafia. Wilgy made my list of three possibilities. In the end he didn't need my vote but would have gotten it if necessary.

[Epignosis]

Two shots to get it right. Signing off work now...

[Epignosis]

Caitlin

Epi and Cait are town.

SVS is wolf.

Care to explain how you got those reads in that point in time, Wilgy?

This is the first interaction between Caitlin and Wilgy.

Caitlin is among the names mentioned here. The "obvious" thing to point out is that a teammate could have left this alone or at least been more specific to avoid forcing the teammate to draw further connections to the one asking.

Wilgy can be town

what have I done that's out of my wolf range?

Your wolf range and town range are nearly identical, it's a gut feel ATM

Wilgy killed him. Misdirection. [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

You say that like this interaction has to somehow lock Wilgy in as wolf

Which, is not the case

I don't perceive this as a defense of Wilgy per se. It's basic, common sense incredulity.

Wouldn't yeet:
Epi, Delta, Pyxxy, Falc

Would yeet:
Cait, DM, SVS, LC

Wilgy can defs do more explaining (dont think they explained their earlier readslist?)

But other then that they seem fine so far imo @Long Con

I don't rlly think your interaction is incriminating, but I do get following vibe reads. I just dont have the vibe lol

I take a little more issue with this.

"Wilgy can defs do more explaining" comes directly before a comment that says Wilgy "seems fine so far" without elaborating.

Town
Epginosis -> Only one trying to make the game go forward when rlly, they didnt need to. I do still have the pts I pointed out on them and the fact theyre alive is a bit odd but I think their townieness of D1 is still enough to justify them being first on here
Pyxxy -> Didnt rlly like their first few posts but after that they recovered rlly well and I rlly liked their interactions with the D1 elim whose name I forgot (sorry I'm bad with names)
DrWilgy -> Overall I like their posts but very little explanations and LongCon is making me paranoid even though I sus them
SVS -> Null
Delta -> Overuse of emojis sets me off and the read on the D1 elim wasn't good
LongCon -> The sheeping feels shady and consistency is key I mean non-existant
Mafia

[VOTE: LongCon] aubergine

Lookie there, top of the class I am.

Wilgy falls just short of getting to give a speech at graduation. The "Overall I like their posts but very little explanations" again runs afoul of the issue I alluded to above. What posts from Wilgy do you like and why? If you like the posts, why do you need explanations? What does Long Con have to do with your opinion on Wilgy?

Epi and Cait are town.

SVS is wolf.

Care to explain how you got those reads in that point in time, Wilgy?

These were mostly bullshit, but I attributed you two escalating us out of RVS as town indicative and SVS's non ai posting following to be the opposite of that. Very very very lv1 reads that we're just to get interaction going.

Incidentally ran across this response from Wilgy.

I view this as a positive interaction for Caitlin. I checked the timestamps, and if this were a teammate interaction, I would have expected far more forethought on Wilgy's end. There was none.

Maybe I try to vote here with the NKA theory

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I still don't get the "theory" whatsoever. It's more of a guess than a theory. It's a terribly weak reason to vote someone Day 2.

I raise that point not as a criticism. I detect a level of uncertainty and a willingness to say "fuck it, let's try something else" rather than shoot for the (almost necessary) credibility that comes with murdering a teammate.

The questions towards me and the conclusion they come to seems to be fair in terms of putting in an effort to solve my slot prior to this and I'd say before this Caits PoE was presented as LC/Delta/SVS. To then go "Falc is a weird kill, guess I'm just wrong" feels unnatural.

Falc is a very weird kill though

No way a lesser active team kills a lesser active player

I think it easily could be 1 in my individual suspects, 1 in the activer ppl though

This lends credence to what I was referring to earlier. Wilgy appears genuinely flummoxed that Caitlin has gone this route.

(Again, I don't follow the logic, but that's moot at this juncture)

++++

There's more, but I'm satisfied.

I don't think Caitlin is DrWilgy's teammate.

[Epignosis]

Long Con

And there's also some WIFOM behind it; mafia tends to avoid saying smth on teammates, so Epignosis does it immediately to not look mafia, except I don't see the pt of this for town

Who is my teammate?

How can this ever be an honest question this early in the game??

Let's eat [VOTE: @Long Con ] aubergine

Go for it. It'll be a town yeet, but at least it'll be a low-participating town.

Ok, off to Magic Kingdom. We have Lightning Lane booked for Small World at 9:45.

This was Wilgy's first vote. I was wondering why the text was red until I saw the mention symbol.

I'm gonna not leave Epi hanging. I liked his logic. [VOTE: caitlin] aubergine

Caitlin, do you know the song by Jamaican Queens?

I'd vote falcon if using my own judgment. He gives me mafia vibes, I forget why.

On the bus to Animal Kingdom this morning.

Why is Epi town?

Because I'm not suspicious of him yet.

I think this raises the question "who are you suspicious of?"

I already said. Falcon.

Wilgy quoted the very post that contained the answer to his "question." LC gave a simple reply.

And who said I assume epi is civilian because I liked his logic? On further rumination, I don't like that. I think it was wilgy.

LC revisited that interaction five hours later.

Wilgy can be town

what have I done that's out of my wolf range?

Your wolf range and town range are nearly identical, it's a gut feel ATM

Wilgy killed him. Misdirection. [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

You say that like this interaction has to somehow lock Wilgy in as wolf

Which, is not the case

No, of course not. Just a vibe I felt.

While this might be something I could see LC and Wilgy cooking up in BTSC, I don't think it is. It's a weak enough thing (and an admittedly weak enough thing) that, in the event Wilgy got lynched, other people could point to this and pat LC on the back.

I don't believe this is what is happening due to the timestamps.

[VOTE: lc] aubergine

Can see Pyx, SVS, or Cait as valid teammates.

As I predicted.

Would this surprise anyone? I quite literally said you look bad from vote record and you've been PoE the entire game?

Why should I think differently?

I don't care about what you say "PoE" is. Stop catchphrasing me.

The "vote record" here is QUITE LITERALLY one vote (for those scoring at home, that's two adverbs back to back from Wilgy ).

I detect genuine annoyance in LC's response.

Like, my one hangup here is that I've been wrong on you 3 games in a row.

But other dead town have advised I'm not wrong this time, so

This time, you are mafia. LOL you even admit I'm acting like I did as town for all games in recent memory.

Yeah, this is weak shit from a sleep-deprived DrWilgy.

I suppose if like, someone puts out an LC god read out there that indicates different, then I'll have more reason to assume I'm incorrect, but no one has done that. Even the player who agreed with your nka vibes was previously like "Longus Congus bad"

I don't see why I should consider any of that relevant.

[VOTE: lc] aubergine

Can see Pyx, SVS, or Cait as valid teammates.

Can you run me through these? SVS in particular but \o/

He's a wolf. He's just trying to line up town yeets.

Righteous indignation.

++++

There's more, but I'm satisfied.

I don't think Long Con is DrWilgy's teammate.

[Epignosis]

pyxxy

Wilgy can be town

what have I done that's out of my wolf range?

Your wolf range and town range are nearly identical, it's a gut feel ATM

Well butter my toes and call me pocketed.

This marks the first interaction with DrWilgy.

@falcon45ca do you just have more time for mafia these days?

Yes, my job is quite slow during the winter months.





And a 3 month break helps

hm okay ty

What if I'd said I didn't have time for Maf, but I was forcing it anyhow?

I'd tell you to not force it bud :')

nah I just don't think I've seen scum falcon besides Cosmere and you're more active lately *waves hands vaguely* so I'm just doing cross-comparisons per usual and you've passed

I think both town and scum Falc can post. I do think Scum Falc struggles more with case pushing and it looks more like shade than anything else. T Falc doesn't do that. T Falc is kinda obvious if given a moment to appear.

sure sure yes I was trying to say there that it's not a pure activity read, since it seemed like falcon was maybe sensitive to that + I've had people discredit my reads as such before and like, I can't say I've _ever_ volume tell'd someone honestly. not really my vibe

Spoiler: show

Hey, I completely forgot I was even in this

Its also kinda awkward because I signed up for my girlfriend and she's well... Not in this game anymore for personal reasons

Won't deny that bombards my motivation but I'll do my best to play anyway

I'm sorry folks, but this is mafia.

"I forgot I was in this."

Very well.

"I signed up for my girlfriend and she's well...Not in this game anymore for personal reasons."

How is it you forget you are in this game when you have a significant other who was also in it and now isn't?

That this destroys your motivation only tells me you got a mafia role and didn't want it.

epi this is kinda nitpicky tbh

Well, what do you make of Caits entry then? You advised that AtE is in the barrel and that you will tinfoil but are you tinfoiling the slot?

I think I remember posting later so I'm gonna reply to this and then assume that you've read further to see said post

A couple of observations here:

First, what Wilgy mentions (underlined by me) is a hell of a thing to remember right off. I had to go back and look for it. Here is the post:

I am not reading a FoL game for you Pyxxy that is near impossible

hehehe yes yes just linking bc I can

Caitlin did some solid scum acting, got in a real fight with Orange, and that fooled me for multiple days bc I didn't think she had AtE in her scum barrel

so now I've punched her AtE ticket but that means I might be a little sensitive for a bit reading her

as in right now: null af

To get the phrasing down in such a precise manner? "ATE in the barrel?"

That's shit that a teammate has to reference. And yet Wilgy doesn't recall the "null af" bit of the post.

Second, this interaction came on the heels of something I said regarding Caitlin. The pair (Wilgy and pyxxy) turn this quote block into a softball exchange that goes nowhere. pyxxy actually avoided the question.

Third, I searched "Cait" for posts prior to this exchange and found no evidence that pyxxy ever talked about this between "ATE in a barrel" and the current post.

I gotta say with the voting all over the place from Dr. W and Epi, idk if they are town legit wolf-hunting or wolf undercover. Also gives me pause that they are both so active. Would they be that active as wolves? I dont know. I think I will town lean them for now.

Thus my biggest two pings are: LC + Delta.

I'd say I'm roughly on par with Epi/Wilgy in terms of activity in thread, is there anything that sets us apart?

tbh I kinda disagree

or at least my impression is that Epi + Wilgy have been pushing the thread forward more than you have

but this could be timezone differential bias

Wilgy gets credit for "pushing the thread forward" (a nebulous acclaim).

ah is it time for me to start tinfoiling wilgy per usual

There's no context for this remark that I have seen.

Man I need to reread beans mafia ;_;

It's bean (hehe) a little while since that game, but off memory how do you think LC approaches partners as mafia? @pyxxy

the further I get from wolfing with him obv the harder it is to look back on but he made ??? cases and wanted to distance from his partners i.e. me

but he was keen on it right away + falcon being lower posting at the time + me not being so high posting as well meant that I think he felt he needed to Do More ™

if he's got an active partner here, however unlikely, that's maybe where I could solve for scum Long Con in this game. or I guess if less active maybe SVS and wIlgy, although I gotta believe SVS returns at some point and Wilgy's is basically the same as the rest of us, so that's kinda ??? read, I'm not gonna stick with this...

which maybe means I'm just seeing LC as an option but it's not helping me solve anything if that's the case and coming off BotB I thought I've been cooking with associative reads lately so idk about this

If I had to put a dollar on why Delta got fed into a geyser, it's this post right here.

The question is precise, but the answer is a politician's wet dream. It's got more hedges than Hedges Peak.

last 48 hours has been a blur. I keep skimming thread and realize I'm not absorbing anything.

My brief thoughts re eod were basically, why Delta? and that I probably would've encouraged a Cait wagon over DM as DM decided to townspew right as I couldn't really be close to thread. Had that been done at any point prior to 3 hours before EoD I wouldn't have voted there.

>.>

you really do nothing to help me stop tinfoiling you every game

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you definitely think Cait is....town now though, right?

What prompted the tinfoiling this time? I do not know.

Hm

If I take my 3 main townreads and set them into a safe lil corner, it leaves me with 2 in Wilgy/SVS/LC

Wilgy/SVS dont work because of how SVS reacted to pressure from Wilgy - felt very reactive, compared to how I expect a wolf would view pressure from a partner which wouldn't be as worried

LC/SVS you talked about earlier, feels vaguely unlikely but nothing solid considering I spent the past few days thinking one of Epi's posts was said by LC x_x

And LC/Wilgy I havent really looked into at all, though I would like to mention that the Falcon NK is probably favorable to them due to Falcon's vote on LC & it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today. Aside from that I honestly couldnt tell you if these work or not off the top of my head ;_;

do you read falcon's death as more the LC side of things or the Wilgy side of things?

What is the Wilgy side of things re Falcon's death?

quoth delta in the post you quoted:
"it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today"

Yet another "interaction" that really isn't.

hmmm lemme see how this feels [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Here's the vote. There's no context or recommendation that others follow suit. There's a vote on me later, and then a resigned vote on Wilgy.

++++

There's more, but I'm satisfied.

pyxxy is highly compatible as DrWilgy's teammate.