Game of Champions: East Facility (Night 2)

[WindwardAway]

wait, can we assume the number of mafia/town in each facility is divided equally?
I'm assuming the other thread would also get to vote so if the number of towns/mafia are unbalanced, one side would have a higher chance of hitting town and it wouldn't make sense

probably the same or roughly the same imo
i guess it's possible there might be an imbalance of like, one
but if it wasn't sorted by specific roles then it's probably just an even number

[Dyslexicon]

Honestly

Calm down the lot of you

We are early game

We can do better than black and white

no we can't, this is forum mafia /s

My bad =p

[Alison]

Honestly

Calm down the lot of you

We are early game

We can do better than black and white

I strongly believe in thinking in a strictly black and white way in every aspect of your life.

[Cape90]

Catching up now since i missed a lot of night 0

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

for now because

1. I was suspicious of #61 because I feel like it was WWA shading for the sake of shading. Like as town WWA would just ignore it as implied in their post, but for some reason they feel the need to comment on it. Also it's just ??? because it isn't an opening that made people feel less welcome, dunno what that was about.

2. #190 kind of solidified it for me. Like nutella isn't calling falc scum here, they are shading you for the same reason I am, it doesn't have anything to do with me thinking falcon is explicity town *(though I have taken note there were people that have defended falcon, kinda wanna look at that as soon as i read up on stuff).

I have read both Dizzy's and MR's content from night 0, thanks for coming to my TED talk because i have nothing to say about either one right now LOL

Oh and I also disliked #250 from porscha, seemed rather overthought out

I never said nutella called falcon scum, I said I'M not calling falcon TOWN. because nut said i should just call falcon town for whatever fucking reason when I don't even townread him. nutella called falcon town for interacting with the thread but I stand by my call that it was all fluff.
I think nutella's just covering for falcon tbh.

why are you so grumpy? I partially do not get this about you and leetic, level 0 answer is you didn't get the rand you wanted so you are throwing a tamper tantrum in thread

[WindwardAway]

and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.

I think falcon is obvious town too.

Not for saying I am town though lol.

do you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?

[Alison]

Catching up now since i missed a lot of night 0

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

for now because

1. I was suspicious of #61 because I feel like it was WWA shading for the sake of shading. Like as town WWA would just ignore it as implied in their post, but for some reason they feel the need to comment on it. Also it's just ??? because it isn't an opening that made people feel less welcome, dunno what that was about.

2. #190 kind of solidified it for me. Like nutella isn't calling falc scum here, they are shading you for the same reason I am, it doesn't have anything to do with me thinking falcon is explicity town *(though I have taken note there were people that have defended falcon, kinda wanna look at that as soon as i read up on stuff).

I have read both Dizzy's and MR's content from night 0, thanks for coming to my TED talk because i have nothing to say about either one right now LOL

Oh and I also disliked #250 from porscha, seemed rather overthought out

I never said nutella called falcon scum, I said I'M not calling falcon TOWN. because nut said i should just call falcon town for whatever fucking reason when I don't even townread him. nutella called falcon town for interacting with the thread but I stand by my call that it was all fluff.
I think nutella's just covering for falcon tbh.

why are you so grumpy? I partially do not get this about you and leetic, level 0 answer is you didn't get the rand you wanted so you are throwing a tamper tantrum in thread

better not let sabi catch you tossing around level 0 answers, they might declare your reads cotton candy!

[Guillotine]

I will say that no claiming/infodumping rules are a sign of a poorly designed setup, give mafia a soup if you really can't make a balanced game, but whatever

Agreed.

What is the fucking point of limiting us this way?

[Lemonfairy]

think this is a good time to use this gif of a breathing lemon I found

[WindwardAway]

Catching up now since i missed a lot of night 0

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

for now because

1. I was suspicious of #61 because I feel like it was WWA shading for the sake of shading. Like as town WWA would just ignore it as implied in their post, but for some reason they feel the need to comment on it. Also it's just ??? because it isn't an opening that made people feel less welcome, dunno what that was about.

2. #190 kind of solidified it for me. Like nutella isn't calling falc scum here, they are shading you for the same reason I am, it doesn't have anything to do with me thinking falcon is explicity town *(though I have taken note there were people that have defended falcon, kinda wanna look at that as soon as i read up on stuff).

I have read both Dizzy's and MR's content from night 0, thanks for coming to my TED talk because i have nothing to say about either one right now LOL

Oh and I also disliked #250 from porscha, seemed rather overthought out

I never said nutella called falcon scum, I said I'M not calling falcon TOWN. because nut said i should just call falcon town for whatever fucking reason when I don't even townread him. nutella called falcon town for interacting with the thread but I stand by my call that it was all fluff.
I think nutella's just covering for falcon tbh.

why are you so grumpy? I partially do not get this about you and leetic, level 0 answer is you didn't get the rand you wanted so you are throwing a tamper tantrum in thread

i'm visiting my parents and my mom has been in the hospital for 3 weeks, i'm tired of dealing with stupid shit

[Dyslexicon]

Honestly

Calm down the lot of you

We are early game

We can do better than black and white

I strongly believe in thinking in a strictly black and white way in every aspect of your life.

Yeah, you're acting normal. Good for you!

Just not very interesting to me atm, this game, and doesn't increase with people just calling each other outed wolves for (probably) meh reasons

But I guess that's my problem

[Lemonfairy]

wait, can we assume the number of mafia/town in each facility is divided equally?
I'm assuming the other thread would also get to vote so if the number of towns/mafia are unbalanced, one side would have a higher chance of hitting town and it wouldn't make sense

probably the same or roughly the same imo
i guess it's possible there might be an imbalance of like, one
but if it wasn't sorted by specific roles then it's probably just an even number

hopefully it's just an even number
the idea of there being an imbalance bothers me on a spiritual level

[Alison]

and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.

I think falcon is obvious town too.

Not for saying I am town though lol.

do you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?

It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).

[Lemonfairy]

lmao what am I saying

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

[WindwardAway]

also, i haven't read any of leetics posts except like two that were complaints about the N0 thread being 90% unproductive
but i remember tunnelling them in the last game cause i thought their stubbornness was towny until they hard wolfsided for a couple days and then i was convinced they were a wolf
but they were town lol

[Guillotine]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

I insist

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

[Cape90]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

[Dyslexicon]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Come vibe with me

We need more vibes

[WindwardAway]

and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.

I think falcon is obvious town too.

Not for saying I am town though lol.

do you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?

It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).

ok
i'm gonna give falcon some thought
i will also give you some thought
but i still think nutella's response to me was off

[Guillotine]

This is a totally different WWA and i hate this version of herself, she needs a big wake up call to steer her towards the right path again and if not, she dan die.

[WindwardAway]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

I insist

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

good luck lol

[Alison]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

FWIW I don't think falcon sucks as wolf. I've made that clear in the past. I just happen to have a good read on him, not because he's a shit wolf, but because he's a player that I naturally read accurately. Same as how people like dunia or Dizzy naturally have a good read on me.

[WindwardAway]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

it's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not

[WindwardAway]

This is a totally different WWA and i hate this version of herself, she needs a big wake up call to steer her towards the right path again and if not, she dan die.

/shrug

[Guillotine]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

I insist

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

good luck lol

Why are you wishing me luck, you are gonna die with this approach of yours, no, good luck to you staying alive girl

[Alison]

and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.

I think falcon is obvious town too.

Not for saying I am town though lol.

do you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?

It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).

ok
i'm gonna give falcon some thought
i will also give you some thought
but i still think nutella's response to me was off

I mean I don't think nutella's defense of falcon is clearing or anything. She could be mafia TMI-ing him too. In fact as mafia she is a TMI machine.

But my point is that I don't think the take was garbage by itself. I find nutella's posts to be generally townie and in line with town nutella.

[Lemonfairy]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

vibes at around 50%

[Alison]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

it's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not

Was she in that game too?

If not why would you think that nutella is maliciously deceiving you rather than being one of the apparently many people who are wont to dismiss falcon as being in his town meta for thin reasons?

[Sabiplz]

And Sabi since you seem to think that ALL of my scumhunting is BS I'm looking forward to your town case on Abi, Caitlin, Windward and/or Dizzy.

I don't tr Caitlin or Abi.

I'm null on dizzy.

I think wwa is unlike her wolf games I have read before.

[WindwardAway]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

I insist

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

good luck lol

Why are you wishing me luck, you are gonna die with this approach of yours, no, good luck to you staying alive girl

i die all the time as town, you think it matters? as long as i'm not the lylo mislunch that's everyone else's problem and not mine.

[Cape90]

Having not caught up at all, in my head:

3 townreads I have right now are

Sabiplz
Lemonfairy
Guillotine

1 townlean I have right now is

Alison

[Alison]

And Sabi since you seem to think that ALL of my scumhunting is BS I'm looking forward to your town case on Abi, Caitlin, Windward and/or Dizzy.

I don't tr Caitlin or Abi.

I'm null on dizzy.

I think wwa is unlike her wolf games I have read before.

ok, so I put forward 5 names as scum, you think two are town, one is null, and the others could easily be scum?

how is that different from my typical town game in any way? every single time we're both town I tunnel someone early on for reasons you think are shit... sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not, but it beggars belief to think that you would find this a huge swing in behavior.

[Alison]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

I insist

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

good luck lol

Why are you wishing me luck, you are gonna die with this approach of yours, no, good luck to you staying alive girl

i die all the time as town, you think it matters? as long as i'm not the lylo mislunch that's everyone else's problem and not mine.

what happened to "good luck mislunching me"? now it's "I die all the time... your problem if you're wrong on me!!"

[WindwardAway]

and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.

I think falcon is obvious town too.

Not for saying I am town though lol.

do you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?

It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).

ok
i'm gonna give falcon some thought
i will also give you some thought
but i still think nutella's response to me was off

I mean I don't think nutella's defense of falcon is clearing or anything. She could be mafia TMI-ing him too. In fact as mafia she is a TMI machine.

But my point is that I don't think the take was garbage by itself. I find nutella's posts to be generally townie and in line with town nutella.

yeah I've seen her spew TMI before as a wolf
maybe I should dig for more context. I just think it was weird she specifically told me to call falcon town when I wasn't townreading him, and if she'd read my posts she should've been able to figure that out. It felt like she was telling me to townread falcon without actually paying any attention to my reads, which is why it caught my attention.

[Sabiplz]

Having not caught up at all, in my head:

3 townreads I have right now are

Sabiplz
Lemonfairy
Guillotine

1 townlean I have right now is

Alison

First off when have you ever townread me day one of any game ever

[Dyslexicon]

Anyways I’m town so I’m going to forget about the game and then come back on day 2 and be wrong about everything

If we town lock Tony for this post, the game is 1/30 easier

This is my contribution to society

[Sabiplz]

And Sabi since you seem to think that ALL of my scumhunting is BS I'm looking forward to your town case on Abi, Caitlin, Windward and/or Dizzy.

I don't tr Caitlin or Abi.

I'm null on dizzy.

I think wwa is unlike her wolf games I have read before.

ok, so I put forward 5 names as scum, you think two are town, one is null, and the others could easily be scum?

how is that different from my typical town game in any way? every single time we're both town I tunnel someone early on for reasons you think are shit... sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not, but it beggars belief to think that you would find this a huge swing in behavior.

Are you bad at reading? I only tr one and either sl or null read the other four...

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Come vibe with me

We need more vibes

Hi <3

[Sabiplz]

Anyways I’m town so I’m going to forget about the game and then come back on day 2 and be wrong about everything

If we town lock Tony for this post, the game is 1/30 easier

This is my contribution to society

Might as well

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm playing pathfinder tonight but I'll be vaguely around tomorrow

[WindwardAway]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

it's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not

Was she in that game too?

If not why would you think that nutella is maliciously deceiving you rather than being one of the apparently many people who are wont to dismiss falcon as being in his town meta for thin reasons?

no, she wasn't.
my first thought was that falcon was scum and nutella could be partnered for what i believe was an unintentional defense. but the reason i am voting nutella over falcon is specifically because i think nutella could still be scum if falcon is town. ergo, i think it's more likely nutella is scum than falcon is.

[Dyslexicon]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Come vibe with me

We need more vibes

Hi <3

Bebe!

Hope you're doing well <3

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Dizzy is lock town btw

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Come vibe with me

We need more vibes

Hi <3

Bebe!

Hope you're doing well <3

I'm doing alright!! How're you??

[WindwardAway]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

I insist

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

good luck lol

Why are you wishing me luck, you are gonna die with this approach of yours, no, good luck to you staying alive girl

i die all the time as town, you think it matters? as long as i'm not the lylo mislunch that's everyone else's problem and not mine.

what happened to "good luck mislunching me"? now it's "I die all the time... your problem if you're wrong on me!!"

I'll fight to live at certain points and just lose the energy at other points
it's early game, mislunches don't matter as much as I'd like to think they do
i'd rather avoid them but i'd also rather get mislunched earlier than later, that's just a personal preference if it does have to happen at all

[Cape90]

Having not caught up at all, in my head:

3 townreads I have right now are

Sabiplz
Lemonfairy
Guillotine

1 townlean I have right now is

Alison

First off when have you ever townread me day one of any game ever

Literally never, but you were pretty darn towny night 0, i have other town reads but they are from the other thread, Caitlin comes to mind

[WindwardAway]

Dizzy is lock town btw

why?

[Alison]

And Sabi since you seem to think that ALL of my scumhunting is BS I'm looking forward to your town case on Abi, Caitlin, Windward and/or Dizzy.

I don't tr Caitlin or Abi.

I'm null on dizzy.

I think wwa is unlike her wolf games I have read before.

ok, so I put forward 5 names as scum, you think two are town, one is null, and the others could easily be scum?

how is that different from my typical town game in any way? every single time we're both town I tunnel someone early on for reasons you think are shit... sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not, but it beggars belief to think that you would find this a huge swing in behavior.

Are you bad at reading? I only tr one and either sl or null read the other four...

alison's scum list:
caitlin
abi
sabi
wwa
dizzy

dizzy is "null". you "don't townread" abi or caitlin.

presumably you townread yourself. wwa is "unlike her wolf games" which I take to be a townread.

that's what I meant by two townreads, you and WWA.

but my point is more broadly that why the fuck are you acting like I just published the worst reads list on planet earth when I posted 5 names I suspect early on in the game and you think 3/5 of them could easily be in the POE?

[Guillotine]

do you see me voting you? no. do i give a shit? yes, as far as that you're picking the wrong player to push. if you think you can get a mislunch on me, then good luck i guess.

so I can vote you but you don't have the stones to vote me back? great deal for me, never taking my vote off then!

cool, waste your vote then, that's great

Do you townread Alison?

[Dyslexicon]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Come vibe with me

We need more vibes

Hi <3

Bebe!

Hope you're doing well <3

I'm doing alright!! How're you??

I'm good - busy as fuck though. But life is engaging, with all it's life-ness

Finally started playing DnD-ish things, and lol why haven't I done that before, it's so fun!