Game of Champions: East Facility (Night 2)

[Guillotine]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

I read that. What's your own thoughts?
That post is so generic that I didn't even put much weight into it as representing real reads.
Unfortunately we are now in separate threads and I don't know if I can read the other thread today to make a read on Daisy.

You can see both threads?

Lol ok. Rondo is town.

[Guillotine]

Sharing some of Space Daisy's thoughts in here. The jist of it below

Game of Champions XIII [Night 0] #627

Slight town on Guillo and nut for content in their posts
Slight town on WWA and Sabi for nebulous vibes reasons
Wary of Michelle
Null on Caitlin, Abi, Alison
Mikami - Rico

I read that. What's your own thoughts?
That post is so generic that I didn't even put much weight into it as representing real reads.
Unfortunately we are now in separate threads and I don't know if I can read the other thread today to make a read on Daisy.

You can see both threads?

Now that you said this I looked and I can't.
I just considered we should see it but I was wrong.


I'm going to enjoy RL for the rest of the day. I'll be back before going to sleep though.

Hmmmm but you said “i dont know if i can read the other thread today”, seems like yo;ve already seen it and rhat you just dont have time to read thst one too lol.

[Guillotine]

Your wording is not like you thought it could exist, like it happened to me, no, your wording is confirming that you've already seen it.

[Guillotine]

I knew something was off with you when you made questions that i expect you should know the answers to.

[Guillotine]

Also, to the people saying im too nice, or agreeable or whatever.

It may have something to do that this is my last game, i was actually quitting mafia a few weeks ago but then Scotty gave me the heads up about Game of Champions and i decided to make of this game my last one.

So im playing like i played at MU champions, trying to give you the best version of me, scum hunting but not trying to control my aggressiveness as well, i dont want my last game to be remembered as one where i unintentionally hurt people for being Guillo.

This is it folks, 21 and a half years of playimg mafia, this is the end of it, right here, in Game of Champions.

[Guillotine]

Also, to the people saying im too nice, or agreeable or whatever.

It may have something to do that this is my last game, i was actually quitting mafia a few weeks ago but then Scotty gave me the heads up about Game of Champions and i decided to make of this game my last one.

So im playing like i played at MU champions, trying to give you the best version of me, scum hunting but trying to control my aggressiveness as well, i dont want my last game to be remembered as one where i unintentionally hurt people for being Guillo.

This is it folks, 21 and a half years of playimg mafia, this is the end of it, right here, in Game of Champions.

Correction

[Guillotine]

Haha Michelle is mafia isn't she

Ok, Nanook is town.

[Guillotine]

Having a really hard time getting into the game.

Nutella seems towny.

WWA's focus on Nutella's view of Falc is fine but I disagree.

Nutella's view of Falc I don't see.

Nutella's townread of Sig seems correct.

Why, why, why, why, why

[Guillotine]

Is it not funny? Ive stated why ive townread or scum read or at the very least disagree with someone's read on someone else, like ive been very transparent with my thoughts and im the leading wagon now, and yet people like Wilgy, Falcon, or Leetic on Night 0 or Nanook, or DarlingMonroe or Lime Coke who have contributed very little, ate being left alone! And this is why Mafia is not fun anymore! You wanna execute the highly motivated tryhards and keep the slanks.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine because tension being on the cw to a tow read wagon is cool.

I'll continue with these chain ISOs to get my footing after sleep.

Sounds like a bullshit vote to me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Good Morning, East Facility!

My my, you guys are chatty!

I am here today to clarify the "Info Dumping" rules. We have been getting some questions, and I would like to clear it up on day one.

We are trying to prevent statements like, "I am the cop, and I checked SVS last night and she is a wolf". Or "I'm a neighborizer and I have a neighborhood with the tracker and the watcher and they say Scotty is a wolf.". We built a fairly complex game, and this rule helps maintain balance.

We realize that banning info in game spaces can have the side effect of also disallowing fake claims, and, well, if there are no real claims, you don't need to make a fake one

* "I am town" is not a role claim
* "I am a Cop" *IS* a role claim.
* "I am going to kill you" is not a role claim
* I am going to kill you tonight" *IS* a role claim since it implies you have a night kill

Our other point is this; we are happy to answer questions and listen to complaints about this in Discord channels; I love listening to complaints. Please don't complain in thread.

We want everyone to have a good time, including us coming up with penalties and then having to actually use them is no fun for you or us. We are all super smart, successful Mafia champions (you have to be smart to play this game!). We can figure this out.

And again, if you have any concerns/complaints, please not in the thread. Thank You!

This is not an endorsement of QotSA, but this song was very thematic.

You absolutely do not have to be smart to play this game lol

[Guillotine]

Town

Porscha
Cape
Seanzie
Lemon
Caitlin
Sabi
Alison
Nanook

Undecided

Nanook
Abigail
Wilgy
Rondo

Scum

Nutella
Dyslexicon
Leeri or whatever
Falcon
Lime Coke
Sig
Michelle

[Guillotine]

Rondo gives me pause, i understand why he is voting me now, but Michelle' is an obvious slup, he pointed it out and didnt vote her.

He could be scum trying to give Michelle a heads up that she just messed up and thought that doing so in scum chat would not deliver the message fast enough.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

(Also kill guillo lol)

[Guillotine]

And now i leave, i hope this thread gets busier by the time i comeback.

[Guillotine]

(Also kill guillo lol)

Nooooo, inwanna liiiive, please, dont kill meeeeee

[Michelle]

I am not home yet but I noticed trigger happy folks thinking I slipped.
I was sure the game split was visible for everyone, didn't even consider the fact that we can't see the other half of the game.

I say it just once, because I care very little about this kind of 'obvious slips' and bad pushes, like I care very little about meta reads like Nutella gave to Falcon.
I don't trust the read and I dont think is AI for Nutella even if she is or not wrong.

[Guillotine]

I am not home yet but I noticed trigger happy folks thinking I slipped.
I was sure the game split was visible for everyone, didn't even consider the fact that we can't see the other half of the game.

I say it just once, because I care very little about this kind of 'obvious slips' and bad pushes, like I care very little about meta reads like Nutella gave to Falcon.
I don't trust the read and I dont think is AI for Nutella even if she is or not wrong.

Hmmm

Fine, something similar happened to me, so i;d be very hypocritical to push you for something i know can happen to town.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

This lad is frozen

[Sabiplz]

I miss pyxxy :-:

[Sabiplz]

Wilgz needs to answer my question or else.

[Sabiplz]

Townie:

Wwa
Lemonfairy
Nook

Squint zone:
Cape
Wilgz
Nutella

Scummy:
Alison
LimeCoke

[Lemonfairy]

town?
Cape90
Dyslexicon
Guillotine
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

town lean?
RondoDimBuckle
nutella
Master Radishes
Alison
Michelle

everyone else
DrWilgy
Lime Coke
DarlingMonroe
Sabiplz
WindwardAway

was ISO-ing because I realized I was ignoring a bunch of people who have enough for me to get a read on
moved Alison up
Wind stays where they were (passive everyone else to active)
Wilgy naturally dropped
I followed my heart and moved Radishes up
Dyslexicon is fine where they were
Sabi probs also stays where they were (passive everyone else to active)
I want to move Michelle up... maybe I will (I did)

[Lemonfairy]

second-doubting myself a little immediately after posting

[Lemonfairy]

if I had a blind spot in towns, it's probably nutella
in the everyone else pile, the most likely person I'm wrong on would probably be... *squint* hard to say... Dr Wilgy?

[WindwardAway]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

This implies the existence of a vote list, instead its just "go read my iso to find out who I find scummy" there is no list. Just thought you should know

she probs has an NK priority list in scum chat with me at the top

might be what she was thinking of

why would i as scum bother killing you? you actually think you're that relevant?

probably cuz I caught your whole team LOL

unless you're claiming mafia and not teamed with any of my other suspects?

i'm teamed with town so yeah you'd be wrong, but you're wolfing so being wrong is totally acceptable.

Hey you,


I want a clear cut answer from you Wind.


Do you really scum read Alison or are you just annoyed at her pressure and you just OMGUSing?

I was legit scumreading her earlier because I thought her push on me was unfounded. But after picking her brain about some of her other reads I'm less certain that she's scum. I think her conversation with me about Falcon and Nutella was actually decent, even if I don't agree with all of her points.

[WindwardAway]

Sorry I've been busy, I won't be around much but I'll still pop in. Just catching up on notifications rn.

[WindwardAway]

except some nonsense about me and falcon that's a total reach

It's not a reach, if you'd actually paid attention to my posts you would've known I didn't townread falcon. So telling me to call him town instead of not wolves with Guillo is ???

[WindwardAway]

oh and the nutella calling falcon town thing is because people think falcon sucks as wolf so they are just calling him town for it, it's a read i am ignoring because i dont want to treat falcon like a 5 year old

it's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not

Was she in that game too?

If not why would you think that nutella is maliciously deceiving you rather than being one of the apparently many people who are wont to dismiss falcon as being in his town meta for thin reasons?

I don't even think it's a thin reason lol. I have seen him do well as scum. The way he instantly got involved in a complex player interaction here was just towny

It was not a complex player interaction. It was some dumb conversation that started regarding Sabi's opening post and then about players having differing reactions to that post. There was nothing complex about it.

[WindwardAway]

I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.

This implies the existence of a vote list, instead its just "go read my iso to find out who I find scummy" there is no list. Just thought you should know

she probs has an NK priority list in scum chat with me at the top

might be what she was thinking of

why would i as scum bother killing you? you actually think you're that relevant?

probably cuz I caught your whole team LOL

unless you're claiming mafia and not teamed with any of my other suspects?

That said, these two are either w/w or t/t, never a difference check.

....What

What a weird conclusion.

@Guillotine what was your reasoning on this take?

[WindwardAway]

Ngl that one makes me wonder where Guillo is pulling his reads from

[WindwardAway]

I don't have time to ISO right now but I have some stuff I want to look at later, mostly because I don't intend to do a full backread but I do wanna check some context.

[WindwardAway]

I'm still fine with my vote on Nutella but I have another read or two to reconsider

[nutella]

I have a secret gut read brewing that I kinda want to whip out at a dramatic time

[Sabiplz]

I should be easy to read by now weh

[DrWilgy]

Having a really hard time getting into the game.

Nutella seems towny.

WWA's focus on Nutella's view of Falc is fine but I disagree.

Nutella's view of Falc I don't see.

Nutella's townread of Sig seems correct.

Why is your only teeter to the game based off nutella

Why not? What kind of answers are you expecting from a question like this?

[nutella]

Nvm I'm saying it now

I have a weird hunch that Cape and Lemon are w/w

It started as just a tickly feeling that they are positioned how they would as wolf comfortably enough in thread to blend in, and townreading each other



But for cape it was kinda clinched with the """slip"""" thing, just for a more complicated reason than guillo thought

So Post 4 of the thread does explicitly tell us that the other thread is West Facility. Guillo didn't read it, embarrassing for him, but this was always public knowledge. HOWEVER, when pressed, Cape did not cite this information at all. He acted more like he had made the assumption somehow.

[VOTE: Cape90] aubergine


@Cape90 how do you figure there is a west facility?

I only see this thread.

because there is East? You said yourself the thread was split in two

I assumed we are dealing in opposites because that's kind of Severance did with the whole home and work thing. It could be something else, but with no real theme of this game, I don't know why the split would not be like that

Often when I believe something is actually a slip it's really not (and Cape will know that I just recently mischopped town for a "slip" in classical music mash) but since I already had an indeterminate gut ping on him this did stick out to me, that if he knew it because of the host post he should have just pointed to it but instead it seems like maybe he came by the knowledge from other means

[nutella]

The lemon bit is weaker, I just know she's a good wolf and they fit together on a vibe level

[nutella]

[VOTE: Cape90] aubergine


@Cape90 how do you figure there is a west facility?

I only see this thread.

#4
^read this post

she did point it out here which could be for cape's benefit but could also be completely benign/neutral w/e

[nutella]

I will reread cape to see if I can find any town indicators but so far I don't think he's really had any

[DrWilgy]

Having a really hard time getting into the game.

Nutella seems towny.

WWA's focus on Nutella's view of Falc is fine but I disagree.

Nutella's view of Falc I don't see.

Nutella's townread of Sig seems correct.

Why, why, why, why, why

Nutella's progressions have been questioned and they've been able to argue back for several of them. The firm stances and ability to argue for them I associate to their town game. Wolf Nutella has a means to seem way more floaty.

Because WWA's observation of Nutella having TMI on Falc can be seen as a natural town view. I disagree as I do think it's easy to associate T Falc with active Falc (which I think Nutella got got by).

When I read the Falc ISO there was no clear "this is town Falc" post. I think a clear town Falc post is far more beneficial to reading Falc than the argument Nutella made in spite of me believing Nutella believes the argument.

Sig's short ISO comes across as genuine. If both Nutella and I think that, then the chances for that being correct is significant. If I'm incorrect on Nutella it affects this, but I don't think I am.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine because tension being on the cw to a tow read wagon is cool.

I'll continue with these chain ISOs to get my footing after sleep.

Sounds like a bullshit vote to me.

Should it seem like anything else from me at this point?

[nutella]

There's enough skepticism on the falcon read to convince me not to lock him in I guess, he's not in this thread anyway so it's whatever

[DrWilgy]

Wilgz needs to answer my question or else.

No shot that question was that significant for you lol

[nutella]

When I read the Falc ISO there was no clear "this is town Falc" post. I think a clear town Falc post is far more beneficial to reading Falc than the argument Nutella made in spite of me believing Nutella believes the argument.

Sig's short ISO comes across as genuine. If both Nutella and I think that, then the chances for that being correct is significant. If I'm incorrect on Nutella it affects this, but I don't think I am.

Thumbs up

[Sabiplz]

Having a really hard time getting into the game.

Nutella seems towny.

WWA's focus on Nutella's view of Falc is fine but I disagree.

Nutella's view of Falc I don't see.

Nutella's townread of Sig seems correct.

Why is your only teeter to the game based off nutella

Why not? What kind of answers are you expecting from a question like this?

There's 13 other people.

Your only world view revolves around just one person, nutella.

Why.

[Sabiplz]

Wilgz needs to answer my question or else.

No shot that question was that significant for you lol

It actually is because it's V weird that you complain about not being engaged with the game and your only teether to your reads is nutella to the point all your game content revolves around nutella.

[DrWilgy]

Having a really hard time getting into the game.

Nutella seems towny.

WWA's focus on Nutella's view of Falc is fine but I disagree.

Nutella's view of Falc I don't see.

Nutella's townread of Sig seems correct.

Why is your only teeter to the game based off nutella

Why not? What kind of answers are you expecting from a question like this?

There's 13 other people.

Your only world view revolves around just one person, nutella.

Why.

Perhaps they were at the top of the one page I've read and that was enough for me to get a gut take which I validated against their ISO which lead me to two of their reads and a player they seemed to have discourse with and that resulted me in skimming those ISos specifically?

[nutella]

I also never got an answer from Caitlin on how/why she townread Cape so early in N0. Like I'm looking back at what he'd posted by then and it's pretty nothing. Very fishy

[DrWilgy]

Wilgz needs to answer my question or else.

No shot that question was that significant for you lol

It actually is because it's V weird that you complain about not being engaged with the game and your only teether to your reads is nutella to the point all your game content revolves around nutella.

How is that weird in the slightest? I can't focus for shit on the game so I get the slightest latch and went with it.

How do you expect someone who can't get into the game to react? How should they get into the game?

[nutella]

Wilgz needs to answer my question or else.

No shot that question was that significant for you lol

It actually is because it's V weird that you complain about not being engaged with the game and your only teether to your reads is nutella to the point all your game content revolves around nutella.

I see no problem with this