Game of Champions: East Facility (Night 2)

[Davos]

Arrr

[DarlingMonroe]

@Alison you were convincing me with observations made about Sabi being bad, but currently you are not voting Sabi or Mr. It's on Windward. Im confused

[DarlingMonroe]

I find it more plausible either that both Ali and Sabi are town on town, than wolf on wolf. But I believe it's my first game with them, so I could be reading them totally wrong.

and if one out of the 2 is wolf, still not sure which of the two would be

[Alison]

@Alison you were convincing me with observations made about Sabi being bad, but currently you are not voting Sabi or Mr. It's on Windward. Im confused

i said my poe is those 2 + windward

can vote any of them tbh

[WindwardAway]

sabis whining about me not getting votes when i am top wagon makes me think they are a wolf

+ Wwa probs

Fine to resolve counterwagon d2, thats correct, but if you do the correct way to use that info is to poe all the people who voluntarily chose to vote a strong town player over an afk wolf

if you dont then dont blame me if you lose

PS: dont listen to sabis ate, people on this site need to stop worshipping ate it makes you too easy to get snowed

The only town flips we've had confirmed are Michelle and Rondo, and they were pushing each other for a lot of yesterday, so I'm not sure what else we could do in terms of wagonomics.

[WindwardAway]

i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Level zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words

Well
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?

Seems she feels need to
justify where her shift in
opinion came from

I don't see it as a shift in opinion, it's just unnecessary. She's been pushing me since N0.

[WindwardAway]

but also what on earth do you mean "shift in opinion"

that opinion is completely consistent with my previous votes

I said "The POE should be my entire wagon except michelle"

so you and sabi

i sussed sabi heavily n0/d1, started off d2 voting them, then switched to you

I'm not calling it a shift in opinion, that was MR. I know your vote has been fairly consistently on me.

[WindwardAway]

@Alison you were convincing me with observations made about Sabi being bad, but currently you are not voting Sabi or Mr. It's on Windward. Im confused

Alison spent N0 and part of D1 on me, I don't know why that's confusing?

Really starting to wonder why this is even a question. You're the second one who seems to think it's a shift in opinion when it's definitely not. Maybe I'm more aware of it, but what's up with this? Are you guys not reading Alison's posts?

[WindwardAway]

I find it more plausible either that both Ali and Sabi are town on town, than wolf on wolf. But I believe it's my first game with them, so I could be reading them totally wrong.

and if one out of the 2 is wolf, still not sure which of the two would be

What makes you think both of them are town?

[WindwardAway]

@DarlingMonroe what's your case on Wilgy?

[Master Radishes]

i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Level zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words

Well
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?

Seems she feels need to
justify where her shift in
opinion came from

I don't see it as a shift in opinion, it's just unnecessary. She's been pushing me since N0.

Not quite what I meant...
In this limited format
It's hard to explain

[Creature]

Welp I am a bit stuck right now, my reads aren't really progressing

idk what to make out of Alison being resigned to being lynched cuz I feel like she would do that as wolf too (although she seemed more combative in King of the Hill)

Also idk how to read Sabiplz even though they insist I should be able to easily read them and that they're not in the mood of wolfing

[Creature]

Anyway it's hard to engage with a day where almost nothing is happening

This is why I mostly post SOD and EOD

it's also Wednesday

and the reality is I'd rather do something that doesn't actually require thinking at this point in time

I don't really do a lot of thinking unless the game is like LyLo or something

but also I can't stand games when there's nothing new happening and it's just the same banter all over again

[Creature]

Why is this the quietest thread I've played in for like a year btw? I play on forums that don't have hyperposters and even those are more active than this game has been. It's like lurker central here.

There are like only 15 players in there and most of them are slanking

Like in GoC 2021 there was alexa, illario and MacDougall to hype up the thread

This thread has DrWilgy and NANOOK

Also there are no dayvigs happening or something

[Creature]

I'm not fully caught up yet but here's kind of where I am:

(TR)
Creature
nutella
Cape90
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

(TL)
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
WindwardAway
Sabiplz

(POE)
Dyslexicon
Alison
DarlingMonroe

towns are kind of ordered
POE is not

Why do you have NANOOK as a strong townread?

[Creature]

I find it more plausible either that both Ali and Sabi are town on town, than wolf on wolf. But I believe it's my first game with them, so I could be reading them totally wrong.

and if one out of the 2 is wolf, still not sure which of the two would be

I believe there's one wolf among them and I lean Alison because Sabi at least pushed Lime Coke first when wolves would most likely just wait them post first before bussing them

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sabi >rand mafia but not by a lot

I don't understand the logic behind this

Interactions with brad

So Sabi, as wolf with Brad, would be the first to point out that Brad is solidly in his wolf meta and then hard bus him?
You don't think they'd wait until Brad gains traction from other people before deciding whether to bus? He could've just been ignored and nobody would've batted an eye as far as im concerned. Like I'd forgotten he existed in the game until Sabi pointed him out cause I never even saw his posts on N0.

Lots of questions here answered by my "interactions with brad" post

[WindwardAway]

i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Level zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words

Well
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?

Seems she feels need to
justify where her shift in
opinion came from

I don't see it as a shift in opinion, it's just unnecessary. She's been pushing me since N0.

Not quite what I meant...
In this limited format
It's hard to explain

A shift in vote?
Or a shift in reasoning?
If you can't really answer today, it's ok, I'm just curious

[WindwardAway]

Sabi >rand mafia but not by a lot

I don't understand the logic behind this

Interactions with brad

So Sabi, as wolf with Brad, would be the first to point out that Brad is solidly in his wolf meta and then hard bus him?
You don't think they'd wait until Brad gains traction from other people before deciding whether to bus? He could've just been ignored and nobody would've batted an eye as far as im concerned. Like I'd forgotten he existed in the game until Sabi pointed him out cause I never even saw his posts on N0.

Lots of questions here answered by my "interactions with brad" post

I'll look at Brad and Sabi's interactions again because off the top of my head, I still don't think they're partnered
but several people obviously think it's a distinct possibility, so I might be missing some context

[WindwardAway]

I'm not fully caught up yet but here's kind of where I am:

(TR)
Creature
nutella
Cape90
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

(TL)
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
WindwardAway
Sabiplz

(POE)
Dyslexicon
Alison
DarlingMonroe

towns are kind of ordered
POE is not

Why do you have NANOOK as a strong townread?

good question

[WindwardAway]

I feel like even the active posters kind of dropped off in activity
I don't think it's a wolftell or basically everyone in this game would be a wolf lol
but it feels strange

[WindwardAway]

I thought votes were only valid if they were in the thread and in the poll
why does Davos vote in the poll but not thread? does it even count?

[Master Radishes]

I feel like even the active posters kind of dropped off in activity
I don't think it's a wolftell or basically everyone in this game would be a wolf lol
but it feels strange

I've noticed it too
I'm hoping complacency
Is symptom of pelt

[Master Radishes]

i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Level zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words

Well
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?

Seems she feels need to
justify where her shift in
opinion came from

I don't see it as a shift in opinion, it's just unnecessary. She's been pushing me since N0.

Not quite what I meant...
In this limited format
It's hard to explain

A shift in vote?
Or a shift in reasoning?
If you can't really answer today, it's ok, I'm just curious

I might try again
If so inclined tomorrow
Not a real big deal

[Master Radishes]

Tied wagons are fun
Think I favour Alison
But she'll vote Sabi

[Master Radishes]

Think I'll go to bed
I had time to play a bit
But no one is here

[Master Radishes]

When I find out who
Made me have to write haiku
Here's what I will do...

[Master Radishes]

[Creature]

I feel like even the active posters kind of dropped off in activity
I don't think it's a wolftell or basically everyone in this game would be a wolf lol
but it feels strange

Used to think drop off in activity was a wolftell, but I guess I tend to get bored regardless of alignment

Though as a wolf I try to keep posting anyway so no one wolfreads me for dropping in activity

[Creature]

Alison wolfreads like 3/4 of her wagon

This is gonna be fun

[Creature]

Who should I trust? Sabiplz, Master Radishes and Windward? Or NANOOK, Dyslexicon, nutella, Alison and the bot? Or maybe one of Darling or Lemonfairy?

[nutella]

sabi feels more like a potential hit to me than alison atp but thats mostly nebulous vibes

[Creature]

Who should I trust? Sabiplz, Master Radishes and Windward? Or NANOOK, Dyslexicon, nutella, Alison and the bot? Or maybe one of Darling or Lemonfairy?

I guess Windward and nutella are most likely to be town from each group.

Master Radishes and Dyslexicon are pretty eh (I believe there might be one wolf between them).

NANOOK is completely null.

Alison and Sabiplz prob has one wolf between them (leaning Alison).

Kinda townread Darling and Lemonfairy, but only slightly (Darling more than Lemonfairy).

[nutella]

if you trust me trust dizzy zats me legacy

[DrWilgy]

I see I have an hour to pick between Sabi and Alison.

As I'm at the grocery, I'm more than likely going to sheep Michelle's legacy.

@nutella you think Sabi is a hit, but does that make Alison not a hit?

[nutella]

yes thats my inclination rn

[DrWilgy]

KK ty. I'll skim as soon as I'm home from that perspective.

[WindwardAway]

sabi feels more like a potential hit to me than alison atp but thats mostly nebulous vibes

but do you think Sabi is the most likely to bus Brad based on their interactions and the timing of their push? or are there other reasons?

[Cape90]

alright noobs im splitting the difference

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Cape90]

it's like,

I feel like Sabi's play today if wolf has been really powerwolfy if Sabi is wolf

Immediately giving reason to bus Brad day 1

Setting up a 1 wolf 1 town dichotomy day 2

[Cape90]

I'm not fully caught up yet but here's kind of where I am:

(TR)
Creature
nutella
Cape90
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

(TL)
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
WindwardAway
Sabiplz

(POE)
Dyslexicon
Alison
DarlingMonroe

towns are kind of ordered
POE is not

Why do you have NANOOK as a strong townread?

Creature, Lemon literally said earlier

didn't end up getting a chance to come back after all :c
replying to these while I still have the chance

haven't fully caught up yet
I'm debating between giving up reading and speed skimming

I'm probably around here atm:

town
Cape90 - I've seen town Cape before and this feels similar. My memory is a bit rusty but nothing they've posted has pinged me and I find myself agreeing a fair number of their posts.
Creature - Creature's predecessor was Guillo. I found Guillo towny from how they were shifting around and constantly re-evaluating. While their initial reads felt forced (which I generally find scummy), I know it's something that can happen to town too if they want to get the game started right away. But for town, this kind of prodding becomes natural later on and that's what I feel happened.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I explained in another post before but uncaring attitude/words but still dropping reads despite the attitude.
RondoDimBuckle - Also explained Rondo before. But to recap, it was because of their uncooperative attitude. Probably a bit too weak a reason at this point.
nutella - nutella's TR was carried over from the main thread and the main reason was because I liked their vibe. nutella pairing me and Cape was cool too. It showed that they're keeping an eye out for these things and IMO synergy is hard to spot if you're not paying enough attention.
Michelle - I moved Michelle up because we mind melded on sig and I liked their post on Guillo, which was also how I got around to a townread on them despite being blinded by OMGUS for a bit.

everyone else
Dyslexicon - Explained before. Initial posts I really liked. Not sure why but probably because they were direct (like an arrow) and I agreed. Then it felt like they were kind of stuck on the same reads so I dropped them.
Master Radishes - Again, with time, they dropped because I wasn't seeing more towny posts. It comes with the lowest threshhold rising as time goes by. But another thing with Radishes was there just weren't that many posts I could TR at that point so compared to the rest of my TRs, I could only drop them.
Alison - Same thing with Alison. They were climbing up at one point but dropped because I hadn't seen them for a while. Meanwhile, other people were being townier.
DrWilgy - Probably same reason as Radishes.
Lime Coke - They were a 0-poster.
DarlingMonroe - Couldn't remember their posts.
Sabiplz - Don't remember much of our past game together. Tonally, I think they could go either way. Read-wise, we're not really vibing.
WindwardAway - Same thing as Alison. Except they never got into the TRs. They were close at one point though.

Can you post a sentence for each player to explain their place in your reads?

explanations in blue
#322 also has some changes, which I needed to refer to to answer this (because I forgot)
#479 has some stuff too

WindwardAway

I am consistently at the bottom of your readlist and yet you haven't engaged with me on game-related stuff. Why is that?

1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sabi >rand mafia but not by a lot

I don't understand the logic behind this

Interactions with brad

So Sabi, as wolf with Brad, would be the first to point out that Brad is solidly in his wolf meta and then hard bus him?
You don't think they'd wait until Brad gains traction from other people before deciding whether to bus? He could've just been ignored and nobody would've batted an eye as far as im concerned. Like I'd forgotten he existed in the game until Sabi pointed him out cause I never even saw his posts on N0.

Lots of questions here answered by my "interactions with brad" post

I'll look at Brad and Sabi's interactions again because off the top of my head, I still don't think they're partnered
but several people obviously think it's a distinct possibility, so I might be missing some context

Sounds gucci

[Creature]

Yawn man

Main thing stopping me from voting Sabiplz rn is that they said I should be able to easily read them (and claimed they're pretty low WIM as wolf), but honestly idk how to read them and I'll feel pretty bad if I vote them and they turn out to be town

[Creature]

Voters: Sabiplz, Master Radishes, Cape90, WindwardAway, Creature

Well there's no way there are four wolves on Alison

Maybe up to three

Though I see at most Sabi and Radishes being wolves here

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yawn man

Main thing stopping me from voting Sabiplz rn is that they said I should be able to easily read them (and claimed they're pretty low WIM as wolf), but honestly idk how to read them and I'll feel pretty bad if I vote them and they turn out to be town

They haven't been a low wim wolf historically, fwiw

[DrWilgy]

Michelle wanted Alison.

Rondo wanted Sabi.

LC mentioned neither.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Creature]

Yawn man

Main thing stopping me from voting Sabiplz rn is that they said I should be able to easily read them (and claimed they're pretty low WIM as wolf), but honestly idk how to read them and I'll feel pretty bad if I vote them and they turn out to be town

They haven't been a low wim wolf historically, fwiw

Are they a low WIM wolf, right now?

[Creature]

Also Sabi still had a game they 1200-posted as a wolf

Though I also had a game where I 2000-posted as a wolf but I am no longer able to do anything like that

[Creature]

I guess the lynch is pretty much settled anyway and I don't want to tie votes