Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]

[Master Radishes]

Earlier I thought about faking being haiku restricted again, decided that'd be no fun, and considered faking being emoji restricted just for funsies.

Looks like I might be a prophet...for Rico.

[Ricochet]

Earlier I thought about faking being haiku restricted again, decided that'd be no fun, and considered faking being emoji restricted just for funsies.

Looks like I might be a prophet...for Rico.

[Master Radishes]

Earlier I thought about faking being haiku restricted again, decided that'd be no fun, and considered faking being emoji restricted just for funsies.

Looks like I might be a prophet...for Rico.

[Long Con]

@Long Con seeing your name and "fluffy" in the same post elicits a Pavlovian chuckle for me after all these years

Here's to jonlybonly!

Delta is town this wagon is bad

She was saying falcon is town as well, and likely believed it. She could be doing the same with Delta - if so, then Delta is not the final Landlord.

Mafiers don't always treat all of their teammates exactly the same. It would be strange and counterproductive if they did.

Still, I don't think the Abby who hard bussed pyxxy would be so weak with their DM vote, especially when they didn't look too enthusiastic about voting falcon

Maybe. Maybe she wanted pyxxy out because pyxxy really was too exhausted, and there was primo bussing cred to be had... but she didn't really want to push DM over, just have some distancing.

Oh wait shit I thought of a better joke.

Lemon voted Lime D1 and that made him 7 up.

Top notch, my good man.

DM is not a wolf, sloonei you ought to be ashamed of yourself

You said that about falcon too.

someone tell me this is a mech error on balance of probability grounds

This one went over my head.

long con, i think it's long con

It's always long con. Even when it's Epi, it's really long con.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I am not sure you aren’t aligned with Lime/Abi/Pyxxy but I am curious for your vote towards lemon fairy because as it stands, them and Radishes are my biggest pings.

Hi curious for your vote towards lemon fairy because as it stands, them and Radishes are my biggest pings, I'm dad

Hi dad, I'm hungry!

Radishes/Fairy really gave themselves away

Specifically how?

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.

Bold. Back it up!

Back it up

*EDM music*

Back it up
Back it up

Like I said, @WindwardAway @DrWilgy strongest town read atm

@Lemonfairy @Master Radishes biggest pings

Nutella

Lol me
This wasn't a question, was it

I liked it.

[Long Con]

My favourite cause for suspicion is still that Cape90 called Epi-falcon w-w despite previously indicating he thought falcon was town. That's what a subtle perspective slip looks like.

[DarlingMonroe]

Let it be known Michelle was SUS of Lemon as early as Day 1 before someone targeted for the kill that following night.

[DarlingMonroe]

Out of the original 15 east members, 6 have been eliminated and only 1 was wolf.

Based on the elimination of the west players, we know now that there's 2 wolf factions at play.

If the two sides balance each other in role distribution, we know at least 3 more wolves in the pool of east players .1 (Lime's partner [pyxxy & abi's from the west], and the other 2 east members from falcon's mafia).

I know I am civ, so that leaves me the following 8 players with 3 of them being wolves.

Cape90:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Wilgy (?)

DrWilgy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - falcon (wolf)

Dyslexicon:
1 - Master Radishes (?)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - leetic (?)

Lemonfairy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Dyslexicon (?)
3 - Monroe (civ)

Radishes:
1 - Alison (civ)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Darling (civ)

Nanook:
1 - Guillotine (civ)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Lemonfairy (?)

nutella:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Delta (?)

Windward:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Falcon (wolf)


Observations: Windward + Wilgy same voting history. 2/3 voted a wolf out. Would not vote any of them 2.

Radishes hasn't voted a single Wolf, only town. Lemon, outside of voting for lime, hasn't helped town, thus wolf but not with Lime.

Nanook is the one that would my biggest read as Lime's partner.

nutella/cape/dyslexicon then would fall in between my town and wolf reads. could see them go either way, but dont feel confidently calling them wolves like I do with Radishes and Lemon.

[Ricochet]

Delta - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh


That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...

What got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?

I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?

\o/

I read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lol

ah, got it

of our thread, I feel most confident in LC/Abbi/Sloonei/Ricochet town, Epi/Leetic/TSP to a slightly lesser extent. Leaves question marks around Falcon/Sig. if there's town in either would go back and look at those I'm not as confident.

From the other side of the thread, I think WWA/DrWilgy/MR/Nutella have all seemed fine to me, nothing sure due to being first day back w both threads but that's my gut read for the opposing thread. Off of pure gut read I dont really think DM's reactions today feel wolfy, more in line with what I've skimmed from town games, but without seeing other thread there's only so much I can say on that. The rest have kinda just been white noise, Cape slight town ping but nothing huge.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'm more comfortable voting within my facility today, as I mentioned earlier, so \o/
glgl o/

member of the Arbiters of the Rose Empire

[DarlingMonroe]

[VOTE: Dig D3] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

DM actually having some reasoning to back up the sudden suss on me is probably an okay look tbh. Hm.

[DrWilgy]

Waddup

[Ricochet]

DrWilgy - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

I don't really get why you seem to put this expectation that falcon should have threadspewed themselves as town immediately into night 0.

Does falcon usually do so from your experiance?

Absolutely.

Falc is one of those players who can make a post that puts them undeniably out of their wolf range. That hasn't happened so far.

Falcon. Falcon as wolf definitely says this.

[VOTE: monroe] aubergine

I disapprove

[VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

I'm pretty sure Falcon is fine to yeet.

They are here and they haven't quite done anything about their wagon.

T Falc definitely cracks back strong and with their own solving.

DM is responding exactly like how I'd expect from them as town.

The fact that I have no memory of Delta in this thread but we have votes there is worth a note. If Falc wasn't a wagon I'd likely vote there.

member of the Arbiters of the Rose Empire

DrWilgy - posts
☆Princess Abigail☆ - posts - Turtle on a Log (Mafia)

member of the Landlords

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

[Master Radishes]

I'm enjoying trying to parse Ricochet's posts.

[DrWilgy]

Aye me too.

[TonyStarkPrime]

does 8 wolves with 30 players make sense in this format?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Plus possibly a 3p

[leetic]

Briefly looked over falcon's D1 and D2, there was little of note as they were mostly tunneling Seanzie. They did call out to Delta a few times and asked Sloonei for some reads, but that's about it.

[leetic]

does 8 wolves with 30 players make sense in this format?

Why aren't you doing more solving?

[leetic]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

[TonyStarkPrime]

does 8 wolves with 30 players make sense in this format?

Why aren't you doing more solving?

I’m eating cheese and crackers

[TonyStarkPrime]

Seems plausible tyat Abi was a vig target but maybe not likely

[TonyStarkPrime]

But certainly plausible, would be a good shot

[WindwardAway]

why are there two people with supposedly the same post restriction? sig and ricochet
could be one of them faking it, i guess

[leetic]

Scrappy has no falcon interactions in this thread. They did disagree with Abby on a couple reads, but that's it. Notably this is the second time that they posed themselves as suspecting a flipped wolf but didn't end on their wagon for some reason, granted those were on separate teams.

[WindwardAway]

I'm liking how DM has really got going on the solving today, fwiw.

[TonyStarkPrime]

self-aggrandizing behavior is towny

[WindwardAway]

Scrappy has no falcon interactions in this thread. They did disagree with Abby on a couple reads, but that's it. Notably this is the second time that they posed themselves as suspecting a flipped wolf but didn't end on their wagon for some reason, granted those were on separate teams.

what's scrappy's voting history look like?

[leetic]

So Seanzie was mostly tunneling Porscha D2 but he also suspected falcon and Sig.

I'd agree with this, but I'd add his main/only reason to suspect me was that someone in the other thread suspected me.

I'm solid on Falcon for today I think he's well within his mafia meta and we've now had both NK on our side be someone who suspected Falcon. This fits within his mafia meta 100% and lets be real he isn't a big enough town threat that mafia would set him up. (No offense Falcon )

Also having playing with him recently as mafia he's got that same feel. He's active, but very under the radar. [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

sig basically just voted falcon early and then left.

[WindwardAway]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

[leetic]

Scrappy has no falcon interactions in this thread. They did disagree with Abby on a couple reads, but that's it. Notably this is the second time that they posed themselves as suspecting a flipped wolf but didn't end on their wagon for some reason, granted those were on separate teams.

what's scrappy's voting history look like?

On me D1 and sig D2

[leetic]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

Maybe Abby's team thought they were paired with falcon?

[Master Radishes]

So Seanzie was mostly tunneling Porscha D2 but he also suspected falcon and Sig.

I'd agree with this, but I'd add his main/only reason to suspect me was that someone in the other thread suspected me.

I'm solid on Falcon for today I think he's well within his mafia meta and we've now had both NK on our side be someone who suspected Falcon. This fits within his mafia meta 100% and lets be real he isn't a big enough town threat that mafia would set him up. (No offense Falcon )

Also having playing with him recently as mafia he's got that same feel. He's active, but very under the radar. [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

sig basically just voted falcon early and then left.

Hm. I was just browsing Falc's iso and felt he brought up Sig a couple times very lightly without saying much.

[leetic]

I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh


That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...

What got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?

I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?

\o/

I read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lol

ah, got it

Delta's D3 interactions mainly amount to just discussing Abby's falcon read.

[WindwardAway]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

Maybe Abby's team thought they were paired with falcon?

i suppose, but I don't really think both teams killed at the same time. seems more likely a vig or a serial killer because of the uneven number of kills each night

[leetic]

I will join falcon

we shouldn't kill falcon

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I’ll vote to save falcon when it comes to it

TSP was hard defending falcon all day. I think I've already pointed out how questionable the third post is.

[Master Radishes]

So Seanzie was mostly tunneling Porscha D2 but he also suspected falcon and Sig.

I'd agree with this, but I'd add his main/only reason to suspect me was that someone in the other thread suspected me.

I'm solid on Falcon for today I think he's well within his mafia meta and we've now had both NK on our side be someone who suspected Falcon. This fits within his mafia meta 100% and lets be real he isn't a big enough town threat that mafia would set him up. (No offense Falcon )

Also having playing with him recently as mafia he's got that same feel. He's active, but very under the radar. [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Who is this 'someone'?

No response, no follow-up.

There's min 2 wolves on my wagon IMO, and it's between leetic/sig & MR/Abi







Apologies if you're all town, but I highly doubt it

He was vocal about me/Abi but the other two are only brought up here.

There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Two 1-posters and Sig thrown with a special extra description.

[Master Radishes]

Basically nothing damning or anything, but Sig/Falc interactions certainly seem soft.

[Master Radishes]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

Maybe Abby's team thought they were paired with falcon?

i suppose, but I don't really think both teams killed at the same time. seems more likely a vig or a serial killer because of the uneven number of kills each night

Rondo didn't feel like a Mafia kill, and neither does Sabi. But who knows.

[leetic]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

Maybe Abby's team thought they were paired with falcon?

i suppose, but I don't really think both teams killed at the same time. seems more likely a vig or a serial killer because of the uneven number of kills each night

Maybe, but you have to consider things like roleblocks, doctors, and BPVs. It's possible each team could only shoot in one thread before, but I have no reason to believe that both teams can't shoot tonight.

[WindwardAway]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

Maybe Abby's team thought they were paired with falcon?

i suppose, but I don't really think both teams killed at the same time. seems more likely a vig or a serial killer because of the uneven number of kills each night

Rondo didn't feel like a Mafia kill, and neither does Sabi. But who knows.

yeah, that's what my initial thoughts were, too
someone today said they thought Abbi was a vig which is plausible depending on the team it came from

[leetic]

So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply

Anyway, dumping the first batch.

Wagoners*

* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear

falcon

Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either

sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine

Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.

Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now

leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.

DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.

No more analysis. Bed & sleep.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Ricochet established the falcon suspicion relatively early and voted them later.

[WindwardAway]

Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

Maybe Abby's team thought they were paired with falcon?

i suppose, but I don't really think both teams killed at the same time. seems more likely a vig or a serial killer because of the uneven number of kills each night

Maybe, but you have to consider things like roleblocks, doctors, and BPVs. It's possible each team could only shoot in one thread before, but I have no reason to believe that both teams can't shoot tonight.

ah, I see your point
that would actually make sense because both threads had (at least one) kill every night

[leetic]

I missed the entire second half of Day 2, but during the first half of the phase Epi put forward a decent argument for Delta to be teamed with pyxxy (and I guess Lime Coke).

I have a vague and not-well-defined suspicion of Falcon.

Now that we're all in the same room, should we compare notes about whether or not this game might be multiball?

The last game I played with Falcon, he was very aggressive right off the bat. He was picking fights and twisting words in a way that looked like he was trying to generate reads by putting pressure on everyone and everything. Others suspected him for it, but I defended him, saying he looked like a version of town falcon I'd seen before. Eventually his contributions dropped off, and he flipped mafia.

He looked very similar on Day 1 in the other thread. I do not feel like I have seen his reads progress in a meaningful way since then.

This is what I'm talking about. Why not ask falcon questions? Why not mention falcon? Why not summon his winged ass in here?

I feel no urgency to do these things right now.

To be clear (and I did not make this clear before, so this is on me), but I would bet money there's two teams (plus some independents). Put my money down with LC and let it ride.

The last game I played with Falcon, he was very aggressive right off the bat. He was picking fights and twisting words in a way that looked like he was trying to generate reads by putting pressure on everyone and everything. Others suspected him for it, but I defended him, saying he looked like a version of town falcon I'd seen before. Eventually his contributions dropped off, and he flipped mafia.

He looked very similar on Day 1 in the other thread. I do not feel like I have seen his reads progress in a meaningful way since then.

Ya know, I'm only an @ away





Do you feel my reads not progressing the way you feel they should, vs my posting & contributions disappearing, are the same thing?

I have no questions or things for you to address. As I said to Epi last night, I’m content to let you continue doing what you do. My read will progress one way or another on its own.

There's min 2 wolves on my wagon IMO, and it's between leetic/sig & MR/Abi

Apologies if you're all town, but I highly doubt it

We have nearly 24 hours remaining in the day and you are not singularly in the lead in the poll. If you are town, I feel like you are getting bogged down by your defensive reflexes right now. It is understandable to want to combat people for suspecting you, and it is definitely good to put some energy into that.

But if you really want to relinquish your ass through town efforts, I’m going to need to see other things from you. Let’s talk about players that are not voting for you. And/or, let’s talk about players from the other facility. What impressions do you have of out eastside companions so far?

Sloonei pretty much never stopped hedging on falcon.

[leetic]

I was just about to do my town core post and...I find myself struggling for town core reads

Falcons dropped out of my old list and only WWA has really joined it

Why did falcon drop off?

Caitlin + doing nothing yesterday after Caitlin his main pusher died but mostly Caitlin

The main reason I cooled off on falcon was your insistence that you are the ultimate falcon reader, and that you say he's definitely town.

"Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason

It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

We're going to get along just fine. These are guys I can handle voting for: leetic, falcon, TSP. I was vibing with the Lemonfairy votes earlier, but I didn't feel my vote was necessary at the time - I thought it ballooned up a little bigger than needed, actually. Lemon was already seeming a little cautious and probably two or three votes would have been enough to get her talking. Five was like "we are seriously killing you now" vibes.

sig is my most personal scumread, and historically they're mostly wrong, so I'm going to cool off on it. If he becomes a wagon, I'll almost certainly join it.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

For the most part, LC kept up a suspicion of falcon.

[Ricochet]

Dyslexicon - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

I thought people were town reading Falcon

But apparently not

I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

Yeah

Alison read Falcon town and said he was someone she can read well

If anyone cares

member of the Arbiters of the Rose Empire

Dyslexicon - posts
☆Princess Abigail☆ - posts - Turtle on a Log (Mafia)

Out of the other thread players so far, I feel most comfortable calling Cape90/Dyslexicon town. I dont think I can put that into words more than just 'They seem alright.' Would like to know if that's a sentiment shared with those who were in their thread these last few days though.

To a more technical extent, Nutella/MasterRadishes join that list since I dont think the haiku restriction would come from town, even if just because it seems so inconvenient for town to apply to someone, and what they have given so far doesn't feel scummy enough to warrant being restricted by town to begin with.

This is the first time I disagree with the puppy

What do you disagree with?

The cape dizzy obv town part

member of the Landlords

[leetic]

How about this?

Among those who have 10 or more posts in this thread right now, whom do you suspect the most?

I say Sloonei.

huh, why sloonei? he
seems pretty solid to me
is there more context?

mine would probably
be leetic out of the list.
but would not vote there

I've found Sloonei to be more reactive than proactive. I'm used to good Sloondog digging in and asking questions.

Moreover, Sloonei kept going on about falcon but has moved on from exploring that here.

Before that, Sloonei voted falcon to give pyxxy space (but did vote pyxxy eventually).

falcon hasn't posted in this thread yet, though?

I don't see the relevance.

I missed the entire second half of Day 2, but during the first half of the phase Epi put forward a decent argument for Delta to be teamed with pyxxy (and I guess Lime Coke).

I have a vague and not-well-defined suspicion of Falcon.

Now that we're all in the same room, should we compare notes about whether or not this game might be multiball?

This is what I'm talking about. Why not ask falcon questions? Why not mention falcon? Why not summon his winged ass in here?

The vote on falcon was lukewarm and devoid of substance in the other thread. Sloonei seems content to leave it so. Instead of exploring that, "Hey guys, let's talk about multiball."

My present take on falcon:

falcon is not literally towning his ass off.

Again, that would be fun to witness. I can't even imagine what that would look like for anybody.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

I'm unlikely to vote there today. falcon should put on his leather pants and start going after mafia though.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?

It's third-rate play, I agree, but I am just not understanding why it's alignment-indicative toward town.

Am I supposed to just agree with you that falcon is mafia?

Shit, you've got sig leading the charge there. Probably the first time he's been ON a Day 3 lynch instead of being one.

I do not trust Master Radishes.

Everybody else is fine except Wilgy. Just don't know much there.

Are you comfortable with this lynch?

And I'll be clear on this: I'm not voting to save falcon. If he goes, he goes.

Yeah, as mentioned before, Epi's defense of falcon is strange. It's like he knows there's nothing to townread falcon over but tries to force it anyway

[leetic]

And that, I believe, is everyone. Let me know if I missed anybody. Now one last look through falcon's D3 ISO

[leetic]

@Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

This makes me think that falcon/Epi/DM aren't all on the same team

[leetic]

Of the voters on my wagon, Abi & MR look the most opportunistic









[VOTE: freon] aubergine

Singles out Abby and MR in terms of voters on their wagon. Abby wasn't their partner.