Epi is a "do the bare minimum to achieve my wincon" type player as any alignment lol.
And I meant that as a compliment because he routinely does in fact win.
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If you start thinking too hard about 3Ps you forget that this is still a game of Mafia vs town and ultimately Mafia needs to remove the 3P in order to win.Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:19 amI can also just shrug kill Tony not like he has done much to make me think he's town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:17 am I bet hard that he's one of the 3ps and probably exactly the courier.
i dunno wether its ev+ to kill 3p now or later
Feels lazy given Brad hasn't even actually accused Seanzie of being a wolf only of being annoying and has if anything treated him like he thinks he's town by criticising how bad he is at reading him as opposed to accusing him of having a wolf agenda in pushing him.
Oh I see you reacted like me reading Epi as the courier was ridiculous because it's you. Makes sense now. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:21 amIf you start thinking too hard about 3Ps you forget that this is still a game of Mafia vs town and ultimately Mafia needs to remove the 3P in order to win.Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:19 amI can also just shrug kill Tony not like he has done much to make me think he's town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:17 am I bet hard that he's one of the 3ps and probably exactly the courier.
i dunno wether its ev+ to kill 3p now or later
(Of course, if we speedyeet two mafia in a row we may want to think about the situation harder but D2 after a town yeet is hardly the time.)
I thougth Brad wanted Seanzie killed off or is that just cuz he finds hm annoying lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:22 am Feels lazy given Brad hasn't even actually accused Seanzie of being a wolf only of being annoying and has if anything treated him like he thinks he's town by criticising how bad he is at reading him as opposed to accusing him of having a wolf agenda in pushing him.
See above.
Didn't you say earlier that scum!Mac wouldn't push you? Can you explain what "that" is above, and why it is all you needed to see?
It's a "Seanzie suspects me every game and I hate it so much I don't even care if he's town" based desire.Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:24 amI thougth Brad wanted Seanzie killed off or is that just cuz he finds hm annoying lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:22 am Feels lazy given Brad hasn't even actually accused Seanzie of being a wolf only of being annoying and has if anything treated him like he thinks he's town by criticising how bad he is at reading him as opposed to accusing him of having a wolf agenda in pushing him.
[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergineMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:23 amOh I see you reacted like me reading Epi as the courier was ridiculous because it's you. Makes sense now. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:21 amIf you start thinking too hard about 3Ps you forget that this is still a game of Mafia vs town and ultimately Mafia needs to remove the 3P in order to win.Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:19 amI can also just shrug kill Tony not like he has done much to make me think he's town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:17 am I bet hard that he's one of the 3ps and probably exactly the courier.
i dunno wether its ev+ to kill 3p now or later
(Of course, if we speedyeet two mafia in a row we may want to think about the situation harder but D2 after a town yeet is hardly the time.)
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:04 am1) Do you have prior experience with Epi and what we should expect from them?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:00 amI don't care if folks vote for me, it's happened before and it'll happen againLanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:30 amOkay, but what's your stances on the game? Where is your head at? What do you think about your wagon, and why?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 am
You can find me on sonar or lidar, but I am immune to radio waves
I don't think I've seen you post much content I found meaningful and I'd rather see more.
I can't see any reason to find Epi town
Dunn feels like they're posting EXACTLY the way they described their town meta, so much so it feels scripted
I'm undecided if LC's anger is towny self-righteousness or snared wolf
2) Do you think that people are usually honest with regards to self-meta? Also, wouldn't that make it easier for a wolf to just "playbook" their own self-proclaimed meta? Do you have prior experience playing with Dunn that would back up that self-meta claim?
3) LC's anger feels less game-related and more player-related, considering that they want to clobber Sean in real life while almost begging to be yeeted. I don't think that they are related here. What else do you read LC off?
There is absolutely nothing dickish about making a read. Grow up.LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:26 am[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergineMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:23 amOh I see you reacted like me reading Epi as the courier was ridiculous because it's you. Makes sense now. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:21 amIf you start thinking too hard about 3Ps you forget that this is still a game of Mafia vs town and ultimately Mafia needs to remove the 3P in order to win.Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:19 amI can also just shrug kill Tony not like he has done much to make me think he's town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:17 am I bet hard that he's one of the 3ps and probably exactly the courier.
i dunno wether its ev+ to kill 3p now or later
(Of course, if we speedyeet two mafia in a row we may want to think about the situation harder but D2 after a town yeet is hardly the time.)
Even my patience is limited.
Come back once sober and reflect on your actions. If you want to be a massive dick, be it somewhere else.
Can you explain your read on me? I'm fairly certain that my towniness is shining through if you look for it closely enough. You're welcome to disagree, but if you do, let's talk about why.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:57 amI think TSP and Falcon need to post more to get any sort of read on them (although others think they've posted enough take it as you will)LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 amWhile I do feel okay with your catchup that I saw so far I don't see a Scotty wolf world here and I think that basing a read off of pre-flip associations is iffy.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)
I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.
I agree with Long Con's approach to me being towny though.
Also, the post after you went "TSP or Falcon, then Scotty or Sean" and I cannot follow that kind of logic. Would you do that regardless of who dies D2 and regardless of their alignment or...?
I think Sean and Scotty have had bad posts in general. Does that explain it?
I tried and I saw nothing.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:25 amSee above.
Town Mac's read rate on me is one of the best. So I figured scum!Mac would carry that on and considering he's hardpushing a worldview I know is incorrect how exactly am I supposed to react?
I was peer pressured guilt tripped and gaslit into joining!!!
You haven't hit any town notes of yours I'm familiar with. I usually find all your angles a total vibe and meld with you. It's not my problem here you are simply not vibing my read and even called my read a 0/3 then voted one of my 3. How can you live in a world where your analysis of my play is so patently flawed in such a level 1 way and then criticise me for not finding you town? Improve the approach you have to reading me and maybe I could find you.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:28 amTown Mac's read rate on me is one of the best. So I figured scum!Mac would carry that on and considering he's hardpushing a worldview I know is incorrect how exactly am I supposed to react?
It's either "Brad is a wolf with Chels"
"Chels read on Brad should be ignored"
or
"Chels goes over after Brad regardless"
I voted 1 of your 3 to put pressure on them not because I think they're a wolf while you do.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:31 amYou haven't hit any town notes of yours I'm familiar with. I usually find all your angles a total vibe and meld with you. It's not my problem here you are simply not vibing my read and even called my read a 0/3 then voted one of my 3. How can you live in a world where your analysis of my play is so patently flawed in such a level 1 way and then criticise me for not finding you town? Improve the approach you have to reading me and maybe I could find you.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:28 amTown Mac's read rate on me is one of the best. So I figured scum!Mac would carry that on and considering he's hardpushing a worldview I know is incorrect how exactly am I supposed to react?
It's either "Brad is a wolf with Chels"
"Chels read on Brad should be ignored"
or
"Chels goes over after Brad regardless"
I think TSP should come and join, but honestly out of the people who IMO are not giving enough content, they're actually on the low-end of worry. This is mostly meta, but this TSP doesn't give me the same notes as the wolf!TSP that will pretend like they don't care about a game. This TSP I think is actually just not engaged.LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:16 amMy brain is unable to process the bolded part of your statement. Like, I literally do not understand what the sentence is supposed to say.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:07 amI don't think solving posts in and of themselves are towny, and they certainly aren't where I play from. I've seen this statement tossed out by more than just you but unless a player is extremely polarized the amount of solving posts they make has nothing when actions and results also need to be taken account for. Let us just assume for example I am getting snowed by wolf!Lime (and that's giving a lot of BTOD) I think a lot of Scotty's posting has been very wolf-agenda coded. Esp early posting.LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:00 amWhich posts from Scotty are bad? I see nothing but forward-thinking and solving posts from Scotty and I disagree hard with that stance.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:57 amI think TSP and Falcon need to post more to get any sort of read on them (although others think they've posted enough take it as you will)LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 amWhile I do feel okay with your catchup that I saw so far I don't see a Scotty wolf world here and I think that basing a read off of pre-flip associations is iffy.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)
I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.
I agree with Long Con's approach to me being towny though.
Also, the post after you went "TSP or Falcon, then Scotty or Sean" and I cannot follow that kind of logic. Would you do that regardless of who dies D2 and regardless of their alignment or...?
I think Sean and Scotty have had bad posts in general. Does that explain it?
I agree with Sean (talked about that yesterday enough) but got a more neutral feeling at the end of yesterday.
What makes TSP/Falcon different from Sean (not Scotty) with regards how you want to tackle them phase-wise?
i find it hard to find the stances they've taken this game believable considering the 2 main wagons yall ended up on and then now are deciding "ah yes we must simply follow the same outlook." There's almost no sense of what feels to me genuine reflection or town trying to figure out the game. If you have really good reasons to TR them I'd like to hear it.
You can have low posts and still be wolfy and while I feel TSP/Falcon had next to 0 AI posts Sean's posting clearly had some attempts to them. I need more from TSP/Falcon to general to get a read on them, I don't with Sean.
Scotty has shown several instances of both making and adjusting reads in a very natural and believable way, especially on D1. Since I haven't been in the game with him as much in D2 (or at all, I believe?) D2 has left less of an expression on me but I remember liking his entrance. It felt natural, like he was trying to both factor in the night actions and flips in a believable way. And I didn't get the impression of any of that being a wolf agenda - what exactly gave you that feeling?
But yeah, I do think that TSP needs to show us more and Falcon already has a pressure wagon, from what I can see, and is actively posting.
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the one thats not brad
I wouldn't call it a diffcheck.
That's what I'm trying to figure out because when we're V/V It's normally "Hey Mac (blank) is a wolf right?" "lol yeah" slam dunk goodbye easy win go next.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:41 am @Chelsea how are reads that different? I don't even care about my reads so I can just bin them if you want. Reads are worthless as shit. All I care about is my vote being on a wolf by EOD. My reads are nothing but information retrieval tools until the eod crystallises my vote.
there's no shot, there isnt a wolf on dunnstrall/seanzie/scotty/bradJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:14 pm Voters: Dunnstral, Michelle, Seanzie, Scotty, Lime Coke, ☆Princess Abigail☆, LanMisa
I've asked you numerous questions which I think are all fair and can create positive discussion between us. You haven't responded at all. I'm not sure why.
No they're not. Go try to bond with chels over something that is actually accurate atleast smh.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:45 am @Chelsea maybe this will help. Manny's most recent posts are wolfy as fuck.
You really think i couldnt come up with reasons to townread someone as a wolf? lol.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:48 am I disagree. I am finding your rationale for your reads to be exceedingly insincere. Your reasoning for townreading Falcon non existent and pretending you simply don't want to say it is lol. Your POE is just a list of 4 slots who don't appear to want to defend themselves at all ie. the path of least resistance. Also you're smelly.
Sounds like you’re hesitant to vote anyone because you could be wrong. But, you’re gonna be wrong on things. Happens. But waiting and seeing how things progress is…unproductive on the long run.Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:45 amIll wait for Falcon to start postting to re-confirm my read or back off from it.
Mac just reminds me of me my semifinals champs game and he was V there.
It doesnt really have to do with us being pals and moreso that if im wrong and i actually get u killed is probably some degree of gamelosing and if you are actually a wolf i can /probably/ get around to it later.
I actually dont recall much from the one game in which i saw w!Chelsea cuz it happened more than a year ago alr but my reason to not townread her is mostly paranoia fuel and townreading enough other people.