Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [LEGION CONQUEST]

#2101

I am eyeing 2085 viewtopic.php?p=1111070#p1111070 by Creature as well. For now it doesn't feel the same to me.

#2102

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

#2103

Day 3 has ended. falcon45ca was eliminated. He was:

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If you wander too far into the open wastes of the Mojave or into the wrong highwayside shelter, there are two things you're certain to find. First, you'll wade through the sticky grime seeping from under every ruined Sunset Sarsaparilla vending machine. Second, and just as execrable, are the countless raider gangs. The Jackals may well have emerged from your nearest dumpster, and they'll be pleased to put you there in their place (in pieces). They'll no longer be an issue for travelers in the region, however. They have been utterly wiped out.

Night 3 is underway and will last 24 hours.

#2104

Day 3 Poll

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#2105

Day 4 post caps will be 100+ this number.

#2106

Night 3 has ended.

Scotty was killed. He was:

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To this point, the tribal families of New Vegas had managed to avoid the worst of the ongoing conflict. Hell, they'd profited from it. Beleaguered soldiers on both sides found solace and respite in the sweet arms of their casino daddies, ever eager to sacrifice their pay in honor of Lady Luck. But it seems luck had run out for the Omertas. Their Gomorrah hotel and casino stands vacant, ransacked and torched by the uncaring wastes.

Long Con was killed. He was:

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What are you supposed to do when the fate of an entire region is thrust upon your shoulders? The weight of destiny has never been indiscriminate, and the reasons you of all people found yourself in this position of power will forever elude you. But you accepted the responsibility and fought for what you believed was right, or for what best served your goals, or both. And maybe those goals can still be realized. But this game will end without your further influence.

Because the truth is...

The game was rigged from the start.

Day 4 is underway and will last 48 hours.

#2107

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

#2108

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

#2109

Oh hi.

#2110

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

#2111

Hold on is there majority?

#2112

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:50 am There is no majority hammer vote.

Oh right

#2113

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

#2114

#2115

why the fuck are you voting me? I'm town

#2116

pull your heads out of your asses

#2117

I'm actually extremely annoyed because I literally resolved to townread everyone who just slammed their vote down on me and think I've got a fairly accurate solve now lol...

oh well suit yourselves... lose.

#2118

well except creature who is my top scumread

mafia team is jack/creature/manny.

gl town.

#2119

if y'all think I'm mafia with a 4 vote wagon on me before nobody else is voting you need to reevaluate your understanding of how this game works.

#2120

You guys can actually solve this with d1 eod wagonomics if you care to.

#2121

Brad is town via being out of his range.
Chelsea is town because she was one of Abi's top town and Abi wouldn't have been killed in any mafia teams where their top town was mafia.
Dunnstral is just towny af. Along with Lanmisa.
Epi is probably not mafia due to lack of self pres and voting with Falcon d1 off wagon but that's not for sure.
Creature is following his mafia playstyle curve and not solving the way he generally does. He's not exhibiting Creature brand paranoia
Jack is now outed by his day 1 eod vote positioning.
TSP is a bit of an IC here.
Manny has been wolfsiding all game long egregiously.

Upper POE

Epi

Lower POE

Manny
Creature
Jack

Epi is probably Mr House.

#2122

TSP is maybe a bit nullish.

I'm also spewed town by the way I treated Falcon because I am an efficiency wolf and wouldn't have put him bottom of my POE without actually having an agenda to gain immense cred.

#2123

Also none of the kills make an iota sense as being pro Mac kills if you think past your nose.

#2124

Abi and Seanzie townread me. Scotty was working amicably with me. LC I am fairly sure townread me but without stating as much. Michelle pressure voted me but really didn't suspect me.

Meanwhile all game long I've had Creature, Chelsea, Brad, Manny and Lanmisa threatening me existentially at all times and they're all still alive.

There's not a single reasonable argument that I am mafia aside from paranoia.

#2125

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

#2126

I am now near mathematically confirmed town. Thanks y'all.

#2127

If you think mafia aren't voting me right now you've got the game solved around your Mac team. Town numma 1.

Unfortunately no, the town voting for me are yucking it up like Sunday drivers.

#2128

Rubber necking jive turkeys the lot of you.

#2129

Be Mac
solve the game around a team comp of players that you'd need to side with you to not die
Townread most of the players who want you to die
Ah yes... the self preservation instincts and skill level of a GOD indeed.

#2130

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 pm I am now near mathematically confirmed town. Thanks y'all.

#2131

No actually just a town player with a town pulse. Town vibes. I'm a city.

#2132

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 pm I am now near mathematically confirmed town. Thanks y'all.

Ah yes all mafia should be played with images. That's the definition of fun.

If you cared about the experiences of others you'd have changed your playstyle 10 years ago but you don't. You just like to pretend you do but you're a curmudgeon just like me.

#2133

Epi is now voting someone on a critical day 4 because "you're not fun to play with". Because I reacted to a 4 vote wagon aggressively.

Epi who is himself image posting.

Epi who is himself a curmudgeon.

If I was independent in this I'd be questioning Epi as to whether not enjoying someone's playstyle is a reasonable reason to be voting them on day 4.

Easier explanation is his agenda doesn't concern the town wincon tbh.

#2134

By all means play the mafia game people.

#2135

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:43 pm Abi and Seanzie townread me. Scotty was working amicably with me. LC I am fairly sure townread me but without stating as much. Michelle pressure voted me but really didn't suspect me.

Meanwhile all game long I've had Creature, Chelsea, Brad, Manny and Lanmisa threatening me existentially at all times and they're all still alive.

There's not a single reasonable argument that I am mafia aside from paranoia.

Seanzie was a pr kill. We know mafia rolecopped there now. Scotty called you mafia before they died. (And may have been a 3p kill anyway from a town perspective). Abigail was my top townread alongside Michelle and both of those kills make sense. You wouldn't be the only person on your team anyway, not every kill needs to center around you. Obviously town plus potentially threatening an ally is enough. All the names mentioned threatening you except Lanmisa can be seen as potential miseliminations from a mafia perspective.

#2136

I want to apologize to Mac. I should not have posted that picture- that was not in good taste whatsoever.

#2137

In my opinion, Chelsea and Lime Coke are town. Creature is either town or 3rd party. Epi is unknown. The wagon composition is not concerning to me

#2138

I think Manny is likely town for having outted seeing Falcon visit. Even thouh Manny wasn't the one to initially push Falcon for it.

Macdougall as I hinted at, I don't think you jumping straight to "mafia killed Scotty" makes sense and it seems you may privy to too much information here.

#2139

Anyway, I've placed my vote. I will revisit later.

#2140

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:30 am
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:06 am Do other players understand my suspicion on Macdougall?
Not really, try to expand on it pls.
That means also that I forgot overnight what you posted about him and I couldn't yet reread anything being at work, so say it again anyway.
Macdougall made a post saying that it looks like the mafia had not posted yet.

I pointed out that there was already discussion of this topic that they are not referencing.

They responded implying they had missed a few posts.

My issue is that if they haven't read the thread that closely, how can they tell that mafia haven't been posting yet? How can they have townreads on everyone who has posted? So I think their initial post reads as fake.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

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Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).

Here are reasons to suspect you.

Plus your continued arguing of how the kills make no sense for you seems likely to come from mafia to me.

#2141

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:39 pm Brad is town via being out of his range.
Chelsea is town because she was one of Abi's top town and Abi wouldn't have been killed in any mafia teams where their top town was mafia.
Dunnstral is just towny af. Along with Lanmisa.
Epi is probably not mafia due to lack of self pres and voting with Falcon d1 off wagon but that's not for sure.
Creature is following his mafia playstyle curve and not solving the way he generally does. He's not exhibiting Creature brand paranoia
Jack is now outed by his day 1 eod vote positioning.
TSP is a bit of an IC here.
Manny has been wolfsiding all game long egregiously.

Upper POE

Epi

Lower POE

Manny
Creature
Jack

Epi is probably Mr House.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:40 pm TSP is maybe a bit nullish.

I'm also spewed town by the way I treated Falcon because I am an efficiency wolf and wouldn't have put him bottom of my POE without actually having an agenda to gain immense cred.

TonyStarkPrime is definitely not an IC, and not really null as I've given reasons to suspect them. The last thing you say here does not seem convincing to me.

#2142

Looking at Jack's posts, there is a marked difference in how they considered Falcon yesterday compared to Macdougal or TonyStarkprime. Jack seems a lot more likely to be town rather than poe mafia, to me. Not sure about 3p.

Jack does talk about antispew, but they also compare Falcon to Manny, and talk about point # 1 by commenting on how much more town power roles there could be

#2143

huh I was pretty sure long con was mafia

#2144

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

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Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).

you didn't ask me why falcon was suspected, you asked me why falcon was outed wolf

#2145

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:09 am I think Manny is likely town for having outted seeing Falcon visit. Even thouh Manny wasn't the one to initially push Falcon for it.

Macdougall as I hinted at, I don't think you jumping straight to "mafia killed Scotty" makes sense and it seems you may privy to too much information here.

good level 1 reason to not vote for mac

#2146

Let me amend my opinion on Manny a bit. It is still possible that they are third party. The poisoner role has the same ability as the town role, and it is possible that this was their fake claim. My consideration here is that their claim was a result of thinking they were a possible elimination target. I still don't think Manny is a member of the mafia, but Manny has been hanging back enough and wasn't the one who made the initial push on Falcon, and I think they could be a third party.

Here is what I am thinking right now:

Chelsea - Town
LanMisa - Town
Lime Coke - Town
Jackofhearts2005 - Town

Manny - Town/3p
Creature - Town/3p

Epignosis - Town/Mafia/3p

MacDougall - Mafia
TonyStarkPrime - Mafia

Those listed as just town I have reasons for believing they're not mafia, and I think they're playing a bit too forward to be a third party. The third party roles in this game have weak protective abilities for themselves; either one-shot commute, show as vanilla to role cops, or night 1 bulletproof, and as the only member of the faction they don't want to make themselves kill targets for the mafia. For those listed as Town/3p, I have reasons to believe they are not aligned with the mafia, but still think they could be a third party. Epignosis is a big unknown; I do acknowledge they are currently voting for MacDougall, and I have bigger reasons to suspect other people. Those I listed as just Mafia I believe have associations that point towards them being a part of the mafia team.

I am open to counter arguments here.

#2147

I don't get the epi vote

#2148

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:05 am
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

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Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).
you didn't ask me why falcon was suspected, you asked me why falcon was outed wolf

What is the difference? Would it have changed your answer?

#2149

scotty, scotty, scotty, what to do with that. I was pretty sure it'd be Brad or Mac, and if it wasn't then something would have to be wrong

#2150

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:08 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:05 am
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

------

Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).
you didn't ask me why falcon was suspected, you asked me why falcon was outed wolf
What is the difference? Would it have changed your answer?

yeah it's a very different question

Day 6 elimination