Sims Mafia game thread - Town win

[Roxy]

Sorry, double post.

brings back memories for me <3

[Michelle]

For Roxy

Also what's wrong with colour?
It's because it's british?

[Roxy]

Also there's just a small chance that I will wake up for Eod because I am extremely tired and maybe the chop will not be on Abi, so why are you stressed for the wagon one her?

she's my teammate

but also several other people have voiced approval for chopping in the AFK slots and have been patting themselves on the back for having such a POE. I'd be displeased with serious wagons on any of epi, daisy, abigail, because there's no reason for it yet people are pretending it's good gameplay

Who are these people?

Why do Epi, Daisy, and PA deserve preferential treatment over anybody else regardless of content?

Syn thinks that building a worldview around specifically only having a POE of non-posters is illogical and silly. Syn has explained this several times this game. Syn does not want to explain it again.

who has this 3 person poe of only low posters??
I do not remember anyone posting only those for a poe can you help an old lady out?

[Roxy]

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

Syn: I don't want to sleepwalk into a syn/spacedaisy chop.

Also Syn: Creates a tie between sig and spacedaisy.

Look. What benefit is it to me to break a tie, or even cast a vote for Wilgy yesterday as a wolf? Let's consider.

If sig or abigail is bad, it makes me look really bad to have saved one of them, I end up in this exact position I am currently in and once one of us flips wolf, we both go down anyway.

If sig and abigail is civ, Wilgy was also civ, how does it help me to be the one drawing attention to myself if that is the case?

The best move I could have made as a wolf is either vote off wagon or missed the vote entirely at that point. Like, a wolf has to play way more strategically than I did there.

It just makes no sense.

*shrugs* I already made these points on your behalf at SOD.

and yet you voted for her. Why did you vote for Daisy?

[Roxy]

Add to that it appears she has been going after low-hanging fruit both votes so far and it has me concerned.

I agree it makes my eyebrow arch.

[Roxy]

Roxy being the only person to actually ask me questions and attempt to pull me into the game is a good look imho

Questions btw which I answered I'm not out here throwing

<3

who you looking at today?

What do you make of your defender Syn?

[Roxy]

methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

waiting on why......will post when I see it.

[Roxy]

Okay night kills are throwing me off slightly.

why? I do not play that way and I am interested on your thought process.

[Roxy]

Okay night kills are throwing me off slightly.

Why?

Didn't think Epi was widely townread to the point of like you or I where we're not receiving any votes.

but he *is* an awesome player so people hedging on him is not anything new imo. Is this all?

[Roxy]

I have two more pages to get to after I finish the banking for work I'll be back shortly....

[Michelle]

Also fwiw, my interpretation of what constitutes WIFOM may be different than yours.

My interpretation is talking about what one would or would not do as a specific alignment, and applying that interpretation to one’s current behavior.

So when I talk about WIFOMing one’s way out of something, that’s what I mean. Using would/wouldn’t statements to discount behavior others may find suspicious.

No connection to confirmation bias.

I am slightly confused.
Wifom it's a train of thought who can make you run in circles without finding the correct answer.
What one says they're doing as a specific alignament is self meta. Also, a thing hard to trust.

[Roxy]

☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ MAFIA! ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆

What's the meaning of this post?

It means I had Copied the star for doing an Abi mention, and felt like Pasting it some more while I had it loaded. No relevant meaning to the game.

hahahaha thats what I do! (pasting the star)

[Roxy]

At the high resistance to chop her D1 I stopped to care about her alignament that much. I will just point at everyone who got cold feet and saved her.
Everyone who sheeped the anti Wilgy trend let me without my top town.

You just shrug and say you don't understand the kill.
Let's look at Syn and the reason why Abi votes for him
Why Epi and not Long Con?
I know why not me, because I was wrong.
And not you because of your defeatist attitude. Get rid of it and help me pls.

What questions do you have?
@Lime Coke

This is the second time you've tried to push me as suspicious for not being killed, without actually doing it. From you, it's just question marks and , but it looks like you want someone else to take it and run with it. If you ask me why I think I'm alive, I think it's so that you can push exactly this agenda.

I hadn't noticed this when reading and catching up but it is something I will note - but I want to be honest Michelle is a top town read for me.

[Michelle]

☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ MAFIA! ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆

What's the meaning of this post?

It means I had Copied the star for doing an Abi mention, and felt like Pasting it some more while I had it loaded. No relevant meaning to the game.

hahahaha thats what I do! (pasting the star)

My android doesn't have the star.
I copy pasted the name from the poll and added the mention bbcode around.

A true pain on phone.

[Roxy]

they treat each other with kiddie gloves. roxy's ISO evolves to exclusively revolve around propping up michelle as a paragon of towniness without any reads of her own, and then some busywork patting abigail on the back.

Just bc you dismiss my reads list as an online classroom discussion board exercise does not make so I have no reads of my own tyvm
I am not propping up Michelle as a paragon of towniness she has done that for herself just fine tbh.

[Roxy]

Roxy feels like she has solving intent. Maybe she can fake it as wolf, I don't have much experience with her, but I liked her vibe all game and I gave her a town read.

she has done literally nothing in several days except roll out a red carpet for you and you alone

what solving intent

again I made a reads list (you remember it was a classroom exercise) before you and then I had rl. Sorry if it was bad for the game but my mental health will always come first <3

[Roxy]

how can you be this obvious and then have SVS say you're town and she's no longer paranoid

and then lime coke is acting like a chided puppy who didn't go on the pad on time

wow just f'n wow.

[Roxy]

how can you be this obvious and then have SVS say you're town and she's no longer paranoid

and then lime coke is acting like a chided puppy who didn't go on the pad on time

Town Michelle is somewhat blunt and focused. She softens that down a bit when she's bad, sho worries more about how she sounds. Town Michelle says her peice without worrying about how she sounds.

It's more complicated than that, but, for me, blunt Michelle is town Michelle.

I'm not talking so much about what she says as am talking about how she says it.

It's not unlike why i haven't agreed with any or your reads, but I still think you're town.

So Syn's posts felt townie to you ngl it's oppo for me.

[Roxy]

I have a suspicion that I’ve trusted someone in my town core I shouldn’t have and I’m concerned that someone is Michelle.

I don’t think both SVS and Michelle are wolves together though looking at their interactions today.

Both protect Abi after supposedly going after her previously. Abi doesn’t look good for that.

I still feel like I trust LC and I think Syn reads town based on tone in his interactions with Michelle. I believe he was soft green before too so I just feel stronger in that.

I have zero read on Roxy and Lime Coke and I don’t like it. I’ll ISO Lime Coke tomorrow.

what about me?

[Roxy]

For Roxy

Also what's wrong with colour?
It's because it's british?

Thanks Michelle I needed that <3


Yeus bc iut ius Briutiush. LOL Running gag betwixt myself and splints <3

[Michelle]

@Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?

[Roxy]

wow caught up and around for a bit - in and out- <3

Lets all agree to be nice and sweet to each other even tho this is a game about killing each other off, please <3

[Michelle]

For Roxy

Also what's wrong with colour?
It's because it's british?

Thanks Michelle I needed that <3


Yeus bc iut ius Briutiush. LOL Running gag betwixt myself and splints <3

I have to apologise to everyone who speaks this language as native, I don't even know well what's the difference, for me it's just one single english

[Michelle]

I love everyone here

I am walking to the gym, i"ll post later

[Roxy]

@Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?

Day one you threw yourself head long into the game.

You stuck by your PA read but yet still was askin them questions and your back and forth with sig was so great even tho he was civ. I disagreed with what he had said about you and felt your defense was honest in tone.


You had a pretty large list of civ's but have worked the thread and questioned everything and everyone even those you found civ-lean. That's what is townie to me the most.

Your vibe is right along with your tone I can *feel* your towniness through your posts.


If you would like me to pull quotes I will do it but it is harder for me to point to a post and be like yes - this is the one - the tone and vibe are right here - looky - see! If you can understand that lol

[Roxy]

For Roxy

Also what's wrong with colour?
It's because it's british?

Thanks Michelle I needed that <3


Yeus bc iut ius Briutiush. LOL Running gag betwixt myself and splints <3

I have to apologise to everyone who speaks this language as native, I don't even know well what's the difference, for me it's just one single english

I meant NO disrespect - at all. Splints and I have had this running joke about U's sinceshe moved to London it's just a thing for the funzies.

I love the letter U honestly

[Long Con]

For Long Con, I don't have the patience to quote:
1. Clearing the Poe is a must. However I want discussions about everyone not just a vote.
2. I am not opening the Poe with you, I still think you are just a villager but Epi instead you means he was more right than you or because the wolves need you to push me further.
3. I want to talk in real time as well, I'll try to be here as much as possible.

When you say you're not opening the Poe, what, in your view, is the current Poe?

Abi is there by default. I don't even know if she is a wolf and she probably is not, but if villa she would be the lylo escape for wolves because they will never kill her if she is not WIMing up

Syn has a weird narrow focus on me and tries to make a team based on weak associations which is untrue, the wolves are already distanced by now and being just 2 it's bad to point at associations. Look at how wrong Sig was by saying me and Wilgy are wolves together because we found each other and had similar game solve.

Brad is so weak this game that I don't know what he is doing, is he waiting for me to post to follow me? Because I was wrong and he did it yday without questioning but I need his inputs if he is villager.

Roxy feels like she has solving intent. Maybe she can fake it as wolf, I don't have much experience with her, but I liked her vibe all game and I gave her a town read.

Svs fits the same area and her posts also have that solving vibe on them.

So idk what my Poe looks like in this very moment, because I can also point at any of the players to have villagery points and wolfy points and what looked wolfy from everyone including me regarding Sig until now was in fact from villagers.

Ok, so, disregarding Poe talk, you suspect Abi and Syn the most? Or Spacedaisy? Maybe Brad?

[S~V~S]

@Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?

Some of it is tone, but much is due to having wolfed with you recently. Bad Michelle is more tentative, she leaves wiggle room. Town Michelle is almost severe, which i don't mean in a bad way. Town Michelle goes in there and doesn't really sugarcoat her reads or what she has to say. She says it, and doesn't spend much time or energy arguing her points.

You're more about solving and less about fitting in when you're town.

In this game, your reaction to Syns push against the POE didn't have a lot of give in it. I think bad Michelle would have had more give, if that makes sense.

[Long Con]

I forgot about Spacedaisy. That's NAGL

This is another jab in the same flavour (flavor for Roxy ) of you mentioning twice that "isn't it weird that LC didn't die?" You don't come out and say "I think Spacedaisy could be a Wolf for these reasons", you make sure to mention something about a player as though hoping someone else would pick it up and run with it.

[Long Con]

@Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?

Some of it is tone, but much is due to having wolfed with you recently. Bad Michelle is more tentative, she leaves wiggle room. Town Michelle is almost severe, which i don't mean in a bad way. Town Michelle goes in there and doesn't really sugarcoat her reads or what she has to say. She says it, and doesn't spend much time or energy arguing her points.

You're more about solving and less about fitting in when you're town.

In this game, your reaction to Syns push against the POE didn't have a lot of give in it. I think bad Michelle would have had more give, if that makes sense.

Ok, I just quoted a post where she mentions every player and comes up with some town leans but zero wolf reads. Several players are mentioned in a less-than-stellar way, but there isn't one wolf read that isn't heavily watered down.

How do you read a post like that and say "Bad Michelle leaves wiggle room, Good Michelle is severe with raw reads," and call this Good Michelle?

[Long Con]

Do you remember a Michelle wolf game? I'm trying to think if this is what Wolf Michelle looks like, but my memory for past games is a little watery except for things that specifically revolved around me.

Ted Lasso, just recently. Also Anniversary 1, last year.

Thank you!

[S~V~S]

methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

I haven't gotten any further, so sorry if you explain later; do you still feel this way, and why?

This is where my catch up for this AM ends, sorry for all the posts. Easier than a wall.

He said basically what I thought should have been obvious about my move, that it gains me nothing as a wolf. Then he pointed out that you were on two easy wagons. I’d have to go back and read through the post that I found convince at that moment to tell you more details. It’s late and I’m on mobile in bed. Tomorrow.

I don’t believe in WIFOM, it’s all confirmation bias. Everyone uses it to prop up their own beliefs, just like you did with that argument. I literally told you exactly what I did and why and your response was to say, well, you would know that is what I’d think and did it anyway so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!

It’s useless to argue about WIFOM.

So can you point out why you think I'm bad, based on his post since that is what convinced you I am bad, or is it a No U (can't type that without thinking of Dutchies <3) ?

Right now, since it has been quietish since I last posted minus Roxys flurry, I am gonna [VOTE: Daisy] aubergine. I'll keep an eye on the thread if anything changes.

Maybe you just wanted Wilgy gone, or whatever, I don't have to provide a motive, this isn't court. Your vote didn't sit right with me, and your responses have not really made me feel much better about you. You turned around and No U'ed me using LCs post as a starting point, but can't really point out what it was that convinced you about that post. That kind of thing, using someone elses post as a springboard, always strikes me as a baddie thing, so when your push turns out to be wrong, you can point to the other person and say, "I was just following them" (not that I've known you to do this, it's just a general comment).

Gotta go deal with doggo and do some house stuff like vacuuming.

[Lime Coke]

Still as lost as before.

LC who do you have as town at this rate?

[Lime Coke]

Oh hello SVS.

[S~V~S]

@Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?

Some of it is tone, but much is due to having wolfed with you recently. Bad Michelle is more tentative, she leaves wiggle room. Town Michelle is almost severe, which i don't mean in a bad way. Town Michelle goes in there and doesn't really sugarcoat her reads or what she has to say. She says it, and doesn't spend much time or energy arguing her points.

You're more about solving and less about fitting in when you're town.

In this game, your reaction to Syns push against the POE didn't have a lot of give in it. I think bad Michelle would have had more give, if that makes sense.

Ok, I just quoted a post where she mentions every player and comes up with some town leans but zero wolf reads. Several players are mentioned in a less-than-stellar way, but there isn't one wolf read that isn't heavily watered down.

How do you read a post like that and say "Bad Michelle leaves wiggle room, Good Michelle is severe with raw reads," and call this Good Michelle?

She doesn't mention every player; she didn't mention you or Daisy. I asked her to clarify in a later post. She said she town read you, and you quoted the Daisy portion.

Like I said, the tone is the thing for me. She's confident and her entire iso as regards Syn and Wilgy basically convinced me.

That isn't what I mean by wiggle room; it's hard to explain, if you have time read her in Lasso.

[S~V~S]

Also, @Long Con that post gives me a tow3n read for you. I have been trying to avoid making a read on you since I was having a problem getting past bad. But that post came from a town place, imo. Even if I think your case on me is a stretch, it doesn't make you bad.

And, Hi Brad

bbl xoxo people

[Long Con]

Still as lost as before.

LC who do you have as town at this rate?

Let's redo the rainbow.

Long Con
Syn
Lime Coke
Roxy
Spacedaisy
Abi
Michelle
S~V~S

Syn has said a few things I was thinking, or at least things that I agreed with. He has taken the lead on my list over you because I'm not entirely convinced with how you are treating Michelle. You said "I'm not gonna blindly keep the read" and your very next post was "Bleh whatever. We can start with Michelle still my townread," which was a little sketchy.

Roxy is a bit lower. I like the progression of her posts recently because they took be through a bit of a Wayback Playback and made me think again of posts I might have forgotten. I have to read through them again because I only skim-caught-up on my phoneand then came back to do responses now. Also Syn's theory of a Roxy/Michelle team isn't insane.

Spacedaisy is a bit higher, partially because of more participation and partly I guess because she's the only other one calling out S~V~S, and it's for things that I also see.

Abi is cool with the extra WIM, but I also keep seeing a Michelle/Abi team possibility, because of how they have treated each other.

Michelle, S~V~S, still my top two scumreads. That latest thing from S~V~S that I responded to makes her look bad no matter Michelle's alignment, because it looks like false chatter to me when I compae it to the posts it talks about.

[S~V~S]

"False chatter"? Lol.

I was answering a question, she asked why I town read her, I told her. We just wolfed together. This looks nothing like that.

I think you just want me to be bad; a bit of that confirmation bias Daisy was talking about earlier, eh?

Anyhow doggo looking daggers at me. Bai.

[Long Con]

@Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?

Some of it is tone, but much is due to having wolfed with you recently. Bad Michelle is more tentative, she leaves wiggle room. Town Michelle is almost severe, which i don't mean in a bad way. Town Michelle goes in there and doesn't really sugarcoat her reads or what she has to say. She says it, and doesn't spend much time or energy arguing her points.

You're more about solving and less about fitting in when you're town.

In this game, your reaction to Syns push against the POE didn't have a lot of give in it. I think bad Michelle would have had more give, if that makes sense.

Ok, I just quoted a post where she mentions every player and comes up with some town leans but zero wolf reads. Several players are mentioned in a less-than-stellar way, but there isn't one wolf read that isn't heavily watered down.

How do you read a post like that and say "Bad Michelle leaves wiggle room, Good Michelle is severe with raw reads," and call this Good Michelle?

She doesn't mention every player; she didn't mention you or Daisy. I asked her to clarify in a later post. She said she town read you, and you quoted the Daisy portion.

Like I said, the tone is the thing for me. She's confident and her entire iso as regards Syn and Wilgy basically convinced me.

That isn't what I mean by wiggle room; it's hard to explain, if you have time read her in Lasso.

She said she town reads me in the quote within that post, and clearly adds Daisy in the very next post in the thread. Your 'confronting' her about things that are already there looks like more phonywork.

"Tone". The least universal thing in text-based interaction. Fleeting and subjective, your reason is.

[Long Con]

"False chatter"? Lol.

I was answering a question, she asked why I town read her, I told her. We just wolfed together. This looks nothing like that.

I think you just want me to be bad; a bit of that confirmation bias Daisy was talking about earlier, eh?

Anyhow doggo looking daggers at me. Bai.

Oh, I am confirmation bias king. Ask Scotty.

[Lime Coke]

Mmmm okay. Can roll with that.

[Long Con]

Mmmm okay. Can roll with that.

Roll with what?

This? [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

[Roxy]

I'm not quite sure where the vote stands but I think my vote will make a tie.

LongC case on SVS has me willing to look more closely in her direction

I did wonder about Daisy with that vote but her explanation vibed with me as I have done similar since threads are locked down now

But I'm going with my gut and voting Syn

[Thunal33]

Thread locked

[Thunal33]

☆Princess Abigail☆
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
1
11%
Voters: Syn
S~V~S
1
11%
Voters: Long Con
Spacedaisy
2
22%
Voters: Lime Coke, S~V~S
Syn
2
22%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, Roxy
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
Host/spec
3
33%
Voters: Scotty, JaggedJimmyJay, Thunal33
Total votes: 9

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

For Long Con, I don't have the patience to quote:
1. Clearing the Poe is a must. However I want discussions about everyone not just a vote.
2. I am not opening the Poe with you, I still think you are just a villager but Epi instead you means he was more right than you or because the wolves need you to push me further.
3. I want to talk in real time as well, I'll try to be here as much as possible.

When you say you're not opening the Poe, what, in your view, is the current Poe?

Abi is there by default. I don't even know if she is a wolf and she probably is not, but if villa she would be the lylo escape for wolves because they will never kill her if she is not WIMing up

AGREE

Syn has a weird narrow focus on me and tries to make a team based on weak associations which is untrue, the wolves are already distanced by now and being just 2 it's bad to point at associations. Look at how wrong Sig was by saying me and Wilgy are wolves together because we found each other and had similar game solve.

His push on Wilgy was so odd to me, I thought a wolf making that push would be immensely audacious, and when I looked over his past games (which i normally don't do, but his Wilgy push seemed very specific) I didn't find this specific push, but did find similar ones. Like he seemed to want to yeet high posters in at least one game. His "oh well" in the face of Wilgy flipping town for some reason made him townier to me. Since I have been pretty much disagreeing with him across the board, I have also not been paying much attention to the specifics of what he's saying, just putting a town label on him and maybe that's lazy and shortsighted of me.

Brad is so weak this game that I don't know what he is doing, is he waiting for me to post to follow me? Because I was wrong and he did it yday without questioning but I need his inputs if he is villager.

Having seen bad Brad recently, I don't think this Brad looks anything like that. He certainly can change it up, though, so

Roxy feels like she has solving intent. Maybe she can fake it as wolf, I don't have much experience with her, but I liked her vibe all game and I gave her a town read.

I loved her reads list. Someone said something about it like it didn't feel towny, but I townleaned her on that one post. It had that honest solving energy without any people pleasing tone, which i think she tends to adopt when she's bad to some extent.

Svs fits the same area and her posts also have that solving vibe on them.

SVS is in that paranoid phase where she is thinking everyone is bad, and needs to reassess.

So idk what my Poe looks like in this very moment, because I can also point at any of the players to have villagery points and wolfy points and what looked wolfy from everyone including me regarding Sig until now was in fact from villagers.

please skip the fake progression and just vote for me, michelle

Write my username with capital letter because it is my name.

You don't even deserve an answer at your posts, nothing you say brings anything positive and helpful.

This list is your POE; you left out Daisy and LC. Are you clear town reading them, or wolf reading them?

Re Daisy; if i had to vote now, I'd vote her agian, tbh. Her reaction to my one person crusade on her didn't feel open or frank, qualities I associate with town Daisy. I want to herar her answer to my question about which parts of LC's case on me were her favorites, and if she still feels that way.

No. I said I forgot about her as NAGL because a wolf is happy when villagers forget about them.

I see no one is pushing her so that's pretty bad as well.

I think Long Con is town.

Why do you say I didn't give an opinion about Daisy?
You say I don't have wolf reads. My top wolf read just flipped town, I try to make a view on everyone
Can you do the same?

Why do you think I asked Roxy and SVS to explain their reads on me? @Long Con

@Lime Coke can you talk about your read on me as well.

[Thunal33]

Bella Goth was an iconic Sims townie, one of only seven characters to appear in all four main Sims games. She always looked glamorous in her signature red dress. Bella had a husband Mortimer and two kids, Cassandra and Alexander.

In the Sims 2, Bella disappeared under mysterious circumstances. Bella was last seen at Don Lothario’s house and then she was abducted by aliens!

In the alternate timeline of the Sims 4, she was safe at home and worked as a secret agent.

Syn was eaten by a cowplant. Here is what a cowplant looks like:



He was Bella Goth,

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vanilla townie

@☆Princess Abigail☆
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@Michelle
@Roxy
@S~V~S
@Spacedaisy
@Syn

[Thunal33]

Geoffrey Landgraab stumbled into a lot of money when he married Nancy Landgraab, descendant of the wealthy Landgraab family. He is much more down to earth and good natured than his wife, who was a criminal in the Sims 4. They have a son named Malcolm.

Geoffrey was a good-natured Sim who loved being surrounded by family. He worked in the medical career as a gene therapist in The Sims 3, and worked as a lead detective in The Sims 4. Despite being a detective, Geoffrey is quite skilled at mischief. He also has skill points in fitness.

Michelle spent too long in the sauna. She was Geoffrey Landgraab,

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vanilla townie

@☆Princess Abigail☆
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@Michelle
@Roxy
@S~V~S
@Spacedaisy

[Long Con]

Welp. That elimination kind of sucked.

[Lime Coke]

Kay, ya'know I was thinking she was a wolf and yeah...she flipped.

That was literally my last "I might have something" thought process.