I have no idea what other features that role may have. If it's just taken as a generic civilian, then there's no reason for it to be independent in the first place. I don't assume I know more than I know. leetic also stated in the sign-up thread that Kagemusha is called the "thief", which comes with a connotation.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:49 pmBishamonten, the war god, would like you to answer for this:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:43 pm People often do interpret my immediate impressions as turtle shit. Were it only that they could provide the same. Turtle shit is underrated.
Why is that not correct? Survivor independent to potential civilian is a civilian no matter how you sort it.I was pinged by Tony's view of the Kagemusha role (that it should be treated as town). I'm not sure that's the right mindset, and it made me think of my own mafia mindsets of the past. I suspect that if I see this setup through mafia eyes, I really do dump Kagemusha straight into the town pile from the standpoint of determining "how much work to get to endgame?". As a civilian, I don't have the same comfort in taking a public independent role and saying "that's basically town". I don't have enough information or knowledge of that player's motivations. In that sense, Long Con's view was similar.
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Epignosis is an unlikely mafioso unless Tony is also mafia.
If Epignosis is town, then he is hurling turtle shit at me to move the game. He knows well the value of doing so, and he knows that I will respond.
If Epignosis is mafia and Tony is not mafia, then I'd imagine he allows me to be wrong and steer the game accordingly without attacking me for it.
If Tony is mafia, it's plausible that it's a "chainsaw defense" from teammate Epignosis. This is mathematically the least likely outcome, so I don't care about it right now. On balance, Epignosis slants in the civilian direction.
If Epignosis is town, then he is hurling turtle shit at me to move the game. He knows well the value of doing so, and he knows that I will respond.
If Epignosis is mafia and Tony is not mafia, then I'd imagine he allows me to be wrong and steer the game accordingly without attacking me for it.
If Tony is mafia, it's plausible that it's a "chainsaw defense" from teammate Epignosis. This is mathematically the least likely outcome, so I don't care about it right now. On balance, Epignosis slants in the civilian direction.
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You think that I’d be more confident as town. Two qualifiers. Reasonable read. But better reasons to qualify that aren’t identity-based.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:19 pmThis post pinged me. I experienced a ping.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:40 pm Kage ought to be counted as town, no reason to do otherwise. I’d kinda suspect 2 over 3 with the double kill mechanic but that’s a bit shaky. No real idea.
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Oh update it wasn’t that
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The only reason Kage isn’t explicitly town is because there’s mech stuff about forcing a claim that doesn’t work out so well (and probably flavour)
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I know this is straight from the Jay’s Guide To Day 1 Towning but it feels a bit contrived
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Now granted there is no one else in the game to talk about so can’t gripe too much about attempts at discussion
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Also like theoretically I don’t like that Jay folded to Epi so quickly but like no one else joined in so not sure who he could have waited for in the counterfactual
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I also also don’t like giving LC too much credit for not reading setups
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Falcon’s a wolf idk
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Gotta start somewhere
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I’m back to 10v3 though, masons are pretty powerful in a setup, probably 1-2 other town PRs. I’ll check out the flick and get a better idea
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I may flip this upside down. He didn’t do anything with it.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:29 pm I also also don’t like giving LC too much credit for not reading setups
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Unfortunately I don't think we'll be much help in that sense seeing as we all talk differently than we type and now our tells are different
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Oops I thought I replied to something JJJ said but idk how work this
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I can appreciate that, Abigail. Do you mind if I call you “AS” to distinguish from the other Abigail in the game?Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:42 pm Unfortunately I don't think we'll be much help in that sense seeing as we all talk differently than we type and now our tells are different
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Skill itJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:24 pmI may flip this upside down. He didn’t do anything with it.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:29 pm I also also don’t like giving LC too much credit for not reading setups
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Not to inflict this game with some creature pessimism but I’ve seen better starts
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More like starting nowhere
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hey idk I’m trying the Jay strategy
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I don't mindJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:47 pmI can appreciate that, Abigail. Do you mind if I call you “AS” to distinguish from the other Abigail in the game?Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:42 pm Unfortunately I don't think we'll be much help in that sense seeing as we all talk differently than we type and now our tells are different
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You jugglin' tacos now too?
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What's your Wilgy read?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:11 pm Not to inflict this game with some creature pessimism but I’ve seen better starts
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I'm not doing reads right now.
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I'm voting JJJ, because it doesn't sit with me right that I was voted for seemingly no reason. (If there was a reason then I just couldn't find anything.)
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@motobot you never answered when you were asked if you were mafia I assume you missed the message
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Can’t get a sense tbh. Would gth town in a vacuum but no post-meta senseJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:39 pmWhat's your Wilgy read?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:11 pm Not to inflict this game with some creature pessimism but I’ve seen better starts
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So why was I voted?
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Oh well thanks for explaining that to me.Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:52 pm @motobot you never answered when you were asked if you were mafia I assume you missed the message
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I don't think motobot is mafia.
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I'd vote out Simon or JJJ right now.
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JJJ, why vote motobot over Simon?
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By the way, it's not lt's not letting me vote at all, so that's a problem.
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I noticed that both of motobots previous games (one town and one mafia) got off to very slow starts, so I thought this might encourage some posts. Now we're cooking!
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