Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

FREE of your TYRANNY!

Maybe that really will help somehow.

[Epignosis]

If nothing else, civilian Long Con rarely responds to suspicion in this way.

I mean, why would you say that when civilian Long Con almost definitely lets suspicion roll off his back like a duck?

Maybe you're thinking about Lime Coke?

This is a wholly egregious lie. I'm happy to die to expose you.

[VOTE: JJJJJJJJJJJJJJ] aubergine

What Long Con doesn't usually do -- flippant rainbow lists with 800 colors and a concerted effort to be impossible to read

What Long Con usually does -- ridiculous overconfident accusations of LIES and laugh emojis, like the accuser is doing something unbelievably silly

Thanks for finally doing that.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

I'm just having a hard time buying this as a genuine opinion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Man struggles to solve an unsolvable game

Man finds the task to be a... struggle

Man is murdered for failing to do the impossible

We're playing Mafia. We sure are.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm just having a hard time buying this as a genuine opinion.

It seems evident to me that nobody in this game has a single clue what is or is not genuine, and that's okay.

[Epignosis]

I'm just having a hard time buying this as a genuine opinion.

It seems evident to me that nobody in this game has a single clue what is or is not genuine, and that's okay.

All three of my brood seem to disagree.

[Simon]

I know I've already said that I believed JJJ was town, I just feel it is getting harder and harder to believe that.

Yeah sure, but there's no real evidence that JJJ could be wolf, not yet at least.

All things considered, I'm not going to believe anything.

[Epignosis]

I will admit I'm behind a bit though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whether folks believe me or not is their own prerogative. I don't give a damn at this point. But for my own peace of mind and perhaps for future reference (in my dreams):

Long Con, when civilian and accused, "annoys" me (for lack of a better word). This is not meant as a criticism of Long Con the person or even the player. He is doing nothing wrong. He is interacting with the game and pursuing what he believes to be appropriate, if he is a civilian. That's okay. But that is exactly what I was waiting for. To ignore accusations entirely and pretend the game barely exists is not quite the same as to laugh in my face for trying to sort him, and the latter has happened before more than once. It's annoying, it's tilting, but it has been authentic every past time I can remember it happening. So I moved my vote to falcon, who has not done anything to suggest he is a civilian.

[Simon]

Any way, I'm off to bed, so night.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine just as a placeholder for now.

I shouldn't even be playing. I'm still working.

[Long Con]

I'm just having a hard time buying this as a genuine opinion.

It seems evident to me that nobody in this game has a single clue what is or is not genuine, and that's okay.

Hey man. Still 24 hours left in the Day. What are you even worried about? I haven't even decided if I believe what I'm saying yet.

[Long Con]

Whether folks believe me or not is their own prerogative. I don't give a damn at this point. But for my own peace of mind and perhaps for future reference (in my dreams):

Long Con, when civilian and accused, "annoys" me (for lack of a better word). This is not meant as a criticism of Long Con the person or even the player. He is doing nothing wrong. He is interacting with the game and pursuing what he believes to be appropriate, if he is a civilian. That's okay. But that is exactly what I was waiting for. To ignore accusations entirely and pretend the game barely exists is not quite the same as to laugh in my face for trying to sort him, and the latter has happened before more than once. It's annoying, it's tilting, but it has been authentic every past time I can remember it happening. So I moved my vote to falcon, who has not done anything to suggest he is a civilian.

Thank you and/or I'm sorry.

[Long Con]

Well it's just true, regardless of my alignment. I can handle accusations, but I will not stand for outright lies about me.

Now Wolf JJJ dusts off his hands, pocket secured. He knows how to handle a simple soul like Long Con, twist him up, watch him spin, and be there to catch him while he's dizzy.

What kind of person falls for that, JJJ? Come on.

I seriously don't know what this means, but I am happy for you and/or I'm sorry that happened.

Don't you ever just not want to risk getting fooled by a Wolf? I'd rather be wrong than duped.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well it's just true, regardless of my alignment. I can handle accusations, but I will not stand for outright lies about me.

Now Wolf JJJ dusts off his hands, pocket secured. He knows how to handle a simple soul like Long Con, twist him up, watch him spin, and be there to catch him while he's dizzy.

What kind of person falls for that, JJJ? Come on.

I seriously don't know what this means, but I am happy for you and/or I'm sorry that happened.

Don't you ever just not want to risk getting fooled by a Wolf? I'd rather be wrong than duped.

I'd rather eliminate mafia than civilian. The base emotion of "being duped" is almost meaningless to me beyond some fleeting wound to post-game pride. I'm going to be duped sometimes. If I let that fear consume me I would lose games a lot more often.

[Long Con]

Well it's just true, regardless of my alignment. I can handle accusations, but I will not stand for outright lies about me.

Now Wolf JJJ dusts off his hands, pocket secured. He knows how to handle a simple soul like Long Con, twist him up, watch him spin, and be there to catch him while he's dizzy.

What kind of person falls for that, JJJ? Come on.

I seriously don't know what this means, but I am happy for you and/or I'm sorry that happened.

Don't you ever just not want to risk getting fooled by a Wolf? I'd rather be wrong than duped.

I'd rather eliminate mafia than civilian. The base emotion of "being duped" is almost meaningless to me beyond some fleeting wound to post-game pride. I'm going to be duped sometimes. If I let that fear consume me I would lose games a lot more often.

Well, it's not like my religion or anything. But it's why I would post a thing like that. Like "hey man, I see what you're doing" even if I don't end up deciding you are a Wolf, I want it on the record at that point in time.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What are you even worried about?

The whole game. I hate losing, and I feel like I am about to lose. When I feel that way I tend to enter overdrive and put forth the strongest effort I can to turn the tide.

I just don't know how to do that here, and my frustration is boiling over too often. I acknowledge my doomer crap and am sorry for it. I have a few people that seem vaguely voteable, and if they don't flip mafia the game is in serious jeopardy (especially with people eager to kill me either today or later -- the mafia might as well sit back and let it happen, because there is virtually no challenge to their agenda happening here).

falcon45ca, LoRab, Abigail Sophia <~~ suspects if the game is in its simplest iteration
sig, Long Con, Simon <~~ secondary suspects if the game is slightly more difficult
DrWilgy, Epignosis, motobot, TonyStarkPrime <~~ suspects that will be nearly impossible to destroy if they're mafia unless the dynamic shifts significantly

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone out there have strong civilian reads? On anyone? That's a start.

I do not. I have "civilian reads" (the premier two being motobot and Tony) and will trust them if given no choice. But I wouldn't call any of them truly "confident" in the sense that I would often experience in other games.

[Long Con]

I just meant in the short-term. I don't even acknowledge suspicion of me, most of the time, this early in the day because votes shift all the time. And I highly doubt that the poll is going to look like this by the end of the day.

I'm probably more of an optimist, contrasted with you as a realist.

[Long Con]

Does anyone out there have strong civilian reads? On anyone? That's a start.

I do not. I have "civilian reads" (the premier two being motobot and Tony) and will trust them if given no choice. But I wouldn't call any of them truly "confident" in the sense that I would often experience in other games.

That limp-ass day one vote is not helpful because princess didn't really do anything to judge. We should have done some spicy jumping at the end of the day.

[Long Con]

You've turned me around on this game though. I was planning on slanking hard for *reasons*, but now I want to do it for you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That limp-ass day one vote is not helpful because princess didn't really do anything to judge. We should have done some spicy jumping at the end of the day.

In this particular instance, I think you're right about that.

[Epignosis]

Does anyone out there have strong civilian reads? On anyone? That's a start.

I do not. I have "civilian reads" (the premier two being motobot and Tony) and will trust them if given no choice. But I wouldn't call any of them truly "confident" in the sense that I would often experience in other games.

I do not think Simon or moto are mafia. There's a good start. I'm not mafia. That's three if you want to go with that.

[Epignosis]

I still have to read back; I just finished work for the weekend.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone out there have strong civilian reads? On anyone? That's a start.

I do not. I have "civilian reads" (the premier two being motobot and Tony) and will trust them if given no choice. But I wouldn't call any of them truly "confident" in the sense that I would often experience in other games.

I do not think Simon or moto are mafia. There's a good start. I'm not mafia. That's three if you want to go with that.

What gives you confidence about both of them, and is Abigail Sophia close to the same level of trust?

[Long Con]

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

[Epignosis]

Does anyone out there have strong civilian reads? On anyone? That's a start.

I do not. I have "civilian reads" (the premier two being motobot and Tony) and will trust them if given no choice. But I wouldn't call any of them truly "confident" in the sense that I would often experience in other games.

I do not think Simon or moto are mafia. There's a good start. I'm not mafia. That's three if you want to go with that.

What gives you confidence about both of them, and is Abigail Sophia close to the same level of trust?

Simon and moto are easier to figure out if they are lying for me. Simon sounds authentic, and moto's accusation of you doesn't feel like a ruse.

Abigail Sophia is a skilled bluffer. I will have more trouble figuring her out, and I know she knows it.

[Epignosis]

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

If only we had Eloh!

[Long Con]

That would have been legit. I would have had to get Black Rock in on it too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.

[Epignosis]

That would have been legit. I would have had to get Black Rock in on it too.

Tell that lovely lady I said hello please!

[Long Con]

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.

Like when Epi knew that they were going to come after you?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Simon and moto are easier to figure out if they are lying for me. Simon sounds authentic, and moto's accusation of you doesn't feel like a ruse.

Abigail Sophia is a skilled bluffer. I will have more trouble figuring her out, and I know she knows it.

Obviously without the familial or playing experience, I have the same general impression of all three.

[Long Con]

That would have been legit. I would have had to get Black Rock in on it too.

Tell that lovely lady I said hello please!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.

Like when Epi knew that they were going to come after you?

I thought about it. I wouldn't say Epi predicted or forecasted it, but I did wonder if he had a hand in it with at least one of them.

[Epignosis]

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.

If I were mafia with any of my children, I could shield them with anything I'd like, and I feel pretty confident I'd get away with it.

But I'm a civilian. As I said, I'd call the boys good, and the girl a question mark.

[Long Con]

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.

Like when Epi knew that they were going to come after you?

I thought about it. I wouldn't say Epi predicted or forecasted it, but I did wonder if he had a hand in it with at least one of them.

But what kind of Bush league mistake would that be for him to make?

[Epignosis]

Given the theme, I like how we are a "Clan."

[Long Con]

Given the theme, I like how we are a "Clan."

Yes, you've gone above and beyond with this game's gimmick.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But what kind of Bush league mistake would that be for him to make?

I don't think it'd be a mistake; indeed, it'd be just the right play. I have zero confidence accusing him of that, and nobody is likely to take it that seriously now.

To be clear, this isn't an accusation. I have no idea. But I thought about it.

[Epignosis]

I still have to read back; I noticed sig appeared!

[Long Con]

I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.

[Long Con]

Never before has such a town core been seen!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.

At least for the time being, I would be fine with giving that a trial run and seeing what turns up.

[Epignosis]

Don't find sig to be mafia.

[Long Con]

I was just thinking about posting that I'm not voting for sig.

[Epignosis]

I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.

Only to discover LC and JJJ are mafia!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have no significant gripes about sig. Fine with not voting him.

[Epignosis]

gonna out more mech stuff I guess, everyone who gets put on the stand should at least strongly consider claiming kagemusha, depending on their relative game position. game theory works out that way. The PRs have to do it, the wolves then have to do it, at which point the town have to do it to provide proper cover. Don't think it's worth not talking this through before it starts happening and we have to start thinking about it.

I don't understand this, but I'll admit I'm not invested in the mechanical side of things.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to call sig a lock civilian. Anybody know why?

[Long Con]

I think I'd have to re-read him.