Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Lorab is indeed mafia. The more I think on the Simon (lack of) exchange, the more I think that's a slam dunk.

Does anyone here feel like anything is a slam dunk?

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You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.

This may be an important thing. LoRab, when accused, has fully opened the POE pool (in a sense) by including sig as a suspect, and that has progressed. I don't actually think that is a suspicious thing for her to do in isolation. Indeed, that's kind of what I would expect from a civilian in her position. She would have a uniquely insightful view of the game by way of knowing LoRab isn't it. That tends to require considering more radical possibilities.

I contrast this with Epignosis, who found another player in as much danger as he was to accuse (LoRab herself) and went for the self-proclaimed "slam dunk". That's easier to describe as an agenda.

If you had to pick between the two do you still find Epi worse?

Personally I think expanding the POE at this phase just makes it more confusing, adds more unknown, and just further increases the chance we misvote. But, I’m a bit bias regarding that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@falcon45ca I can’t get Epi to talk about you, so he’s either teamed with you or trying to make it look that way. If it’s the latter, only you can drive the wedge.

All right. This is a civilian JJJ. Final answer.

I also find this kind of hard to believe.

[LoRab]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I talked myself into it with the above post.


I wouldn’t be shocked if we see LC switch over shortly then it’s just a matter of convincing one maybe two other civs, if they aren’t able to they’ll switch back to Epi.

Can you better explain your second sentence? I don’t know what you mean of “convincing civs,” other than it seems to be an admission of you’re not civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.

This may be an important thing. LoRab, when accused, has fully opened the POE pool (in a sense) by including sig as a suspect, and that has progressed. I don't actually think that is a suspicious thing for her to do in isolation. Indeed, that's kind of what I would expect from a civilian in her position. She would have a uniquely insightful view of the game by way of knowing LoRab isn't it. That tends to require considering more radical possibilities.

I contrast this with Epignosis, who found another player in as much danger as he was to accuse (LoRab herself) and went for the self-proclaimed "slam dunk". That's easier to describe as an agenda.

If you had to pick between the two do you still find Epi worse?

Personally I think expanding the POE at this phase just makes it more confusing, adds more unknown, and just further increases the chance we misvote. But, I’m a bit bias regarding that

Yes, I do.

I have seen many civilians under heavy pressure do what LoRab is doing, be accused of expanding the POE, and die for it. It's easy for us to forget that a civilian in her position has very little choice (and additional reason to believe in it). Frankly if she didn't suspect you at least a little bit I think that would be a bigger problem.

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[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I talked myself into it with the above post.


I wouldn’t be shocked if we see LC switch over shortly then it’s just a matter of convincing one maybe two other civs, if they aren’t able to they’ll switch back to Epi.

Can you better explain your second sentence? I don’t know what you mean of “convincing civs,” other than it seems to be an admission of you’re not civ.

You and LC are mafia,

You only need one maybe two civs to join you on the falcon wagon and boom win.

[falcon45ca]

I think Lorab is indeed mafia. The more I think on the Simon (lack of) exchange, the more I think that's a slam dunk.

Does anyone here feel like anything is a slam dunk?

NHL 94




But this game, no

[LoRab]

If we add TSP back into the mix and say they’re teammates that would explain why we’re all having such a hard time finding two mafia members. But; there’s the risk there that we assume this and blindly go into the lorab vote.

Having said that it isn’t a stretch to think that Lorab, who isn’t as tied into the game wouldn’t be totally aware of TSP Claim/}remember her early comment

Didn’t you not know if there was an Indy in the game a few hours ago? And wasn’t I the one to answer you about it?

And you keep saying I’m not tied to the game. That isn’t true. I’ve read every post. Can you say the same?

[LoRab]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I talked myself into it with the above post.


I wouldn’t be shocked if we see LC switch over shortly then it’s just a matter of convincing one maybe two other civs, if they aren’t able to they’ll switch back to Epi.

Can you better explain your second sentence? I don’t know what you mean of “convincing civs,” other than it seems to be an admission of you’re not civ.

You and LC are mafia,

You only need one maybe two civs to join you on the falcon wagon and boom win.

Ah. That makes sense. Shoddy logic, but I understand what you are wrong about.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.

This may be an important thing. LoRab, when accused, has fully opened the POE pool (in a sense) by including sig as a suspect, and that has progressed. I don't actually think that is a suspicious thing for her to do in isolation. Indeed, that's kind of what I would expect from a civilian in her position. She would have a uniquely insightful view of the game by way of knowing LoRab isn't it. That tends to require considering more radical possibilities.

I contrast this with Epignosis, who found another player in as much danger as he was to accuse (LoRab herself) and went for the self-proclaimed "slam dunk". That's easier to describe as an agenda.

@Long Con @TonyStarkPrime any thoughts about this rationale?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If Epi is mafia then falcon is probably still the most viable teammate. His votes have been uninvested, and that's as true as ever right now.

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Well shit I fell like I’m right back to where I was pre ISO

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Feel like*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If LoRab is mafia, I am struggling to find a good teammate right now. I don't think Epi makes sense unless he abandoned his old aversion to bussing. He can win the game today if he wants to, so pursuing his teammate would be goofy.

Long Con is theoretically plausible, but he is also the origin of the LoRab wagon today more than anyone else. So eh.

falcon is theoretically plausible, but only if we accept significant distancing earlier in the game (especially with LoRab's indignant reception of his accusations).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con bussing LoRab is a possibility. It just doesn't strike me as necessary on his part. Perhaps, since he wanted falcon first and was diverted by Tony's "no". It still feels kind of wrong to me.

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I’ll either be ending on lorab or epi, one has to be mafia within the current POE or we’re 100% cooked

I’ll probably be logging out for a bit but I do plan to come back before eod.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It may be a good idea for me to do the same just to align my turbulent thoughts, but only briefly. There is little time left, and Easter may force our hand. We know Epignosis is celebrating that too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reminder that a tie won't cut it -- mafia control them. It shouldn't happen with 7 players, but yanno.

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If LoRab is mafia, I am struggling to find a good teammate right now. I don't think Epi makes sense unless he abandoned his old aversion to bussing. He can win the game today if he wants to, so pursuing his teammate would be goofy.

Long Con is theoretically plausible, but he is also the origin of the LoRab wagon today more than anyone else. So eh.

falcon is theoretically plausible, but only if we accept significant distancing earlier in the game (especially with LoRab's indignant reception of his accusations).

That’s the big hang up, I could see LC he’s known to bus, Falcon is possible, and then it could only be TSP.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unless both players in the tie are mafia, in which case the game is locked down. But that's a pipe dream.

[LoRab]

If LoRab is mafia, I am struggling to find a good teammate right now. I don't think Epi makes sense unless he abandoned his old aversion to bussing. He can win the game today if he wants to, so pursuing his teammate would be goofy.

Long Con is theoretically plausible, but he is also the origin of the LoRab wagon today more than anyone else. So eh.

falcon is theoretically plausible, but only if we accept significant distancing earlier in the game (especially with LoRab's indignant reception of his accusations).

That’s because my teammates are other civs who have no other information and are lost.

[sig]

Reminder that a tie won't cut it -- mafia control them. It shouldn't happen with 7 players, but yanno.

And with 2 mafia we really need to try and consolidate

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Perhaps it's meaningful that falcon is the only player who has suspected me and never reconsidered.

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Perhaps it's meaningful that falcon is the only player who has suspected me and never reconsidered.

You’re saying he’s right and you’re mafia?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That’s because my teammates are other civs who have no other information and are lost.

Could you describe what it is about me that you find trustworthy?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Perhaps it's meaningful that falcon is the only player who has suspected me and never reconsidered.

You’re saying he’s right and you’re mafia?

I dunno what I'm saying.

If the mafia killed Scotty and Wilgy in part to make me look like a dope, perhaps he is sticking to the plan even as it fails.

Dunno.

[LoRab]

That’s because my teammates are other civs who have no other information and are lost.

Could you describe what it is about me that you find trustworthy?

Because your thoughts have been civ aligned as I red them, and tone.

[falcon45ca]

Player - are they suspicious? - would I vote?

falcon45ca - no - yes
Epignosis - no - no
Princess Abigail - yes - yes
DrWilgy - no - no
LoRab - no - yes
Scotty - no - no
TonyStarkPrime - kinda? - eh?
Long Con - no - no
sig - no - no
Abigail Sophia - no - yes
motobot - no - no
Simon - yes - yes

Perhaps it's meaningful that falcon is the only player who has suspected me and never reconsidered.

You had me as not sus, yes would vote on D1






Which means the whole not sus is a non read





D1 bud. You're Maf

[falcon45ca]

That’s because my teammates are other civs who have no other information and are lost.

Could you describe what it is about me that you find trustworthy?

Because your thoughts have been civ aligned as I red them, and tone.

I'd like to hear some specifics, cuz this is a boiler plate read

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Player - are they suspicious? - would I vote?

falcon45ca - no - yes
Epignosis - no - no
Princess Abigail - yes - yes
DrWilgy - no - no
LoRab - no - yes
Scotty - no - no
TonyStarkPrime - kinda? - eh?
Long Con - no - no
sig - no - no
Abigail Sophia - no - yes
motobot - no - no
Simon - yes - yes

Perhaps it's meaningful that falcon is the only player who has suspected me and never reconsidered.

You had me as not sus, yes would vote on D1

Which means the whole not sus is a non read

D1 bud. You're Maf

I struggle to imagine why you care about that right now. There has been a whole game and I have made hundreds more posts (as you have mentioned repeatedly).

Why is that Day 1 post important to you? What do you even mean? I seriously don’t understand.

“Not sus, would vote” is basically just null/POE.

[LoRab]

That’s because my teammates are other civs who have no other information and are lost.

Could you describe what it is about me that you find trustworthy?

Because your thoughts have been civ aligned as I red them, and tone.

I'd like to hear some specifics, cuz this is a boiler plate read

You’re not going to listen to me, so why bother.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That’s because my teammates are other civs who have no other information and are lost.

Could you describe what it is about me that you find trustworthy?

Because your thoughts have been civ aligned as I red them, and tone.

I'd like to hear some specifics, cuz this is a boiler plate read

I would appreciate the same.

[falcon45ca]

Player - are they suspicious? - would I vote?

falcon45ca - no - yes
Epignosis - no - no
Princess Abigail - yes - yes
DrWilgy - no - no
LoRab - no - yes
Scotty - no - no
TonyStarkPrime - kinda? - eh?
Long Con - no - no
sig - no - no
Abigail Sophia - no - yes
motobot - no - no
Simon - yes - yes

Perhaps it's meaningful that falcon is the only player who has suspected me and never reconsidered.

You had me as not sus, yes would vote on D1

Which means the whole not sus is a non read

D1 bud. You're Maf

I struggle to imagine why you care about that right now. There has been a whole game and I have made hundreds more posts (as you have mentioned repeatedly).

Why is that Day 1 post important to you? What do you even mean? I seriously don’t understand.

“Not sus, would vote” is basically just null/POE.

I bring it up as you said my read hadn't changed on you, when it would appear that the same is true for you






I'm calling you a hypocrite






I don't vote null reads, do you? Is that who you wagon, the nulls?

[falcon45ca]

That’s because my teammates are other civs who have no other information and are lost.

Could you describe what it is about me that you find trustworthy?

Because your thoughts have been civ aligned as I red them, and tone.

I'd like to hear some specifics, cuz this is a boiler plate read

You’re not going to listen to me, so why bother.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I absolutely vote null reads @falcon45ca. I have done in this and many other games. I look for civilians and null reads don’t meet the standard.

I have also said you have had town moments repeatedly this game. Treating it like I have tunneled you is just demonstrably untrue.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t feel like falcon has read my posts.

[LoRab]

Seriously, though. Is there anything I could have responded to that which would convince anyone that by lynching me they are handing the game to the baddies?

Because, y’all are.

And I’m exhausted (and still not fully healthy), and I’m not going to bother. There’s no way civvies will win if we don’t lynch a baddie this round, as far as I can see. In lynching me, yall are lynching a civvie.

So, I’ve kind of lost motivation to respond other than how I feel l Ike responding.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

LoRab is a patsy. I don’t know exactly who is the perpetrator, but I’m not voting for her.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s incredibly easy to envision mafia agendas aimed at making LoRab the winning play.

[falcon45ca]

I absolutely vote null reads @falcon45ca. I have done in this and many other games. I look for civilians and null reads don’t meet the standard.

I have also said you have had town moments repeatedly this game. Treating it like I have tunneled you is just demonstrably untrue.

You absolutely have said I've had town moments, but you've also never TR me. Are you trying to say now that you have?




I don't think every post you've made is wolfy, far from it, but that doesn't mean you're not scum dude

[LoRab]

Thank you.

[LoRab]

Falcon’s defensiveness has sounded baddies and baddier.

So [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Seriously, though. Is there anything I could have responded to that which would convince anyone that by lynching me they are handing the game to the baddies?

Because, y’all are.

And I’m exhausted (and still not fully healthy), and I’m not going to bother. There’s no way civvies will win if we don’t lynch a baddie this round, as far as I can see. In lynching me, yall are lynching a civvie.

So, I’ve kind of lost motivation to respond other than how I feel l Ike responding.

You didn't even give me an option, you said it wouldn't matter even if you did




Don't rob me of being able to make my own decision, and then act like it was all a lost cause anyhow

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Recent example of town LoRab being mischopped with the game on the line

[falcon45ca]

Falcon’s defensiveness has sounded baddies and baddier.

So [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

What am I defending?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I absolutely vote null reads @falcon45ca. I have done in this and many other games. I look for civilians and null reads don’t meet the standard.

I have also said you have had town moments repeatedly this game. Treating it like I have tunneled you is just demonstrably untrue.

You absolutely have said I've had town moments, but you've also never TR me. Are you trying to say now that you have?

I don't think every post you've made is wolfy, far from it, but that doesn't mean you're not scum dude

I mean I haven’t concretely town read anyone other than sig or Tony.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@LoRab there would be value in answering falcon’s question about specific examples to town read me.

[LoRab]

Fine.

Your consistent sharing of ideas as they come to your head, and being willing to be wrong, are both civ qualities.

Your frequency of shorter posts throughout day cycles makes it unlikely that you are also posting in ptsd.

I wouldn’t really be logical that you’d NK Wilgy, only to make the point that the baddies are likely not fully following the game. I mean, maybe? But then you’d let someone else make the actual case for the idea. I mean, occam on top of occam means, you’re likely civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Fine.

Your consistent sharing of ideas as they come to your head, and being willing to be wrong, are both civ qualities.

Your frequency of shorter posts throughout day cycles makes it unlikely that you are also posting in ptsd.

I wouldn’t really be logical that you’d NK Wilgy, only to make the point that the baddies are likely not fully following the game. I mean, maybe? But then you’d let someone else make the actual case for the idea. I mean, occam on top of occam means, you’re likely civ.

Thanks LoRab. @falcon45ca please interact.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Both mafia are currently voting LoRab.

Two among Epi, falcon, and Long Con.