Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Probably too late. Unfortunate, but fitting for whatever this game has been.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Both mafia are currently voting LoRab.

Two among Epi, falcon, and Long Con.

Not bottom paging myself. Nope.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I am a giant doofus and LoRab does flip mafia, that would also be fitting. Stay your pitchforks and try to exist in my head for a moment.

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If I am a giant doofus and LoRab does flip mafia, that would also be fitting. Stay your pitchforks and try to exist in my head for a moment.

My biggest issue is she’s more trying to not get voted off vs trying to hunt mafia in my mind.

Having said that the other mafia member has to be on her, unless it’s you or TSP, TSP requires some HEAVY tin foiling, and right now I don’t think it’s you.

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Do we think the vote on falcon is a distancing attempt?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do we think the vote on falcon is a distancing attempt?

I don't

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Seriously, though. Is there anything I could have responded to that which would convince anyone that by lynching me they are handing the game to the baddies?

Because, y’all are.

And I’m exhausted (and still not fully healthy), and I’m not going to bother. There’s no way civvies will win if we don’t lynch a baddie this round, as far as I can see. In lynching me, yall are lynching a civvie.

So, I’ve kind of lost motivation to respond other than how I feel l Ike responding.

You didn't even give me an option, you said it wouldn't matter even if you did

Don't rob me of being able to make my own decision, and then act like it was all a lost cause anyhow

I don't think these are mafia teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I am a giant doofus and LoRab does flip mafia, that would also be fitting. Stay your pitchforks and try to exist in my head for a moment.

My biggest issue is she’s more trying to not get voted off vs trying to hunt mafia in my mind.

Having said that the other mafia member has to be on her, unless it’s you or TSP, TSP requires some HEAVY tin foiling, and right now I don’t think it’s you.

Be mindful: if we actually do eliminate mafia today, you're very likely to be night killed next. A very clear legacy is important.

[LoRab]

Both mafia are currently voting LoRab.

Two among Epi, falcon, and Long Con.

In order of most to least suspish, to me, in this moment:

Falcon
Epi
Sig
LC

[JaggedJimmyJay]

First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.

Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.

[LoRab]

If I am a giant doofus and LoRab does flip mafia, that would also be fitting. Stay your pitchforks and try to exist in my head for a moment.

My biggest issue is she’s more trying to not get voted off vs trying to hunt mafia in my mind.

Having said that the other mafia member has to be on her, unless it’s you or TSP, TSP requires some HEAVY tin foiling, and right now I don’t think it’s you.

It’s not like anyone else is sure of who is mafia. And I just gave my order of suspects. What more can I do?

[Long Con]

Ok Lorab. I believe you.

My vote will change. I have to go to the corner store first. Back in 15.

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Both mafia are currently voting LoRab.

Two among Epi, falcon, and Long Con.

In order of most to least suspish, to me, in this moment:

Falcon
Epi
Sig
LC

Why is LC least?

[sig]

Ok Lorab. I believe you.

My vote will change. I have to go to the corner store first. Back in 15.

Who are you moving too?

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First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.

Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.

I’d be shocked if long con wasn’t mafia

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Pros of voting out falcon -- if he flips mafia, it basically confirms Epi as the teammate in my eyes. I wouldn't be quite as confident in reverse.

Pros of voting out Epignosis -- if he flips mafia, the more difficult elimination of the two is taken care of first.

If either flips town, the game is over so who cares.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.

Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.

I’d be shocked if long con wasn’t mafia

That's a more confident read than I would make about anyone lol. Why?

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First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.

Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.

I’d be shocked if long con wasn’t mafia

That's a more confident read than I would make about anyone lol. Why?

Probably since I’m paranoid.

But legit,

I think he pairs the best as mafia with either lorab or Epi.

I don’t like his exchange with lorab, it seems coordinated, now he’s willing to switch off to someone else, thus turning the vote away from Lorab. They both popped in at the same time and almost did a mini CFD

In the current breakdown if he moves to falcon, you follow, we’re tied which is a mafia win.

This theory does all go out the window if lorab is town, which is the issue right now.

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I’ll have to try and reread epi, but we’re getting down to the wire here.

[LoRab]

Both mafia are currently voting LoRab.

Two among Epi, falcon, and Long Con.

In order of most to least suspish, to me, in this moment:

Falcon
Epi
Sig
LC

Why is LC least?

Because, for the moment, I don’t think I’m seeing bad LC.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This theory does all go out the window if lorab is town, which is the issue right now.

When I ask my soul "is LoRab mafia?" it is telling me no. I know there's a case for her to be mafia, but that applies to nearly everyone including me. At a certain point "do I believe her?" supplants "is she convincing me that my case is wrong?". The latter is very hard to achieve regardless of the correctness of a case anyway.

I could be wrong. I sure have been otherwise in this game. But I don't feel it.

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Town reads:
Tony
Simon
Falcon
Wilgy

Townlean:
Moto
Epi

Scumlean:
JJJ
Long con

SCUMREAD:
Princess Abbi

TALK MORE:
Lorab
Sig
Abbi sophia

if we think scotty was killed for a read why did everyone focus on Jay and not LC?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd rather eliminate Epignosis than falcon, I think. I am more confident that he'd flip mafia, even if only slightly.

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This theory does all go out the window if lorab is town, which is the issue right now.

When I ask my soul "is LoRab mafia?" it is telling me no. I know there's a case for her to be mafia, but that applies to nearly everyone including me. At a certain point "do I believe her?" supplants "is she convincing me that my case is wrong?". The latter is very hard to achieve regardless of the correctness of a case anyway.

I could be wrong. I sure have been otherwise in this game. But I don't feel it.

Eh, my issues are with her answers (no offense lorab )

For example on the LC question she basically says nothing? I get the Meta side, but D4 with lots of content I need more.

Pair that with her accusing me of not reading the thread and really only focusing on the two people who are active and not pro lorab and I don’t know. I don’t see the towny angle there

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I'd rather eliminate Epignosis than falcon, I think. I am more confident that he'd flip mafia, even if only slightly.

I was about to follow up my other post and say epi also pushed you, so in the world where mafia killed to push epi does fir that as well.

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But then again lorab is very active, mafia could survive one player being flipped right? Would it make sense for her to come guns a blazing

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But then again lorab is very active, mafia could survive one player being flipped right? Would it make sense for her to come guns a blazing

There's more reason for her to have a sense of urgency as civilian than as mafia. I don't know how much of a difference that makes.

[LoRab]

First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.

Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.

I’d be shocked if long con wasn’t mafia

That's a more confident read than I would make about anyone lol. Why?

Probably since I’m paranoid.

But legit,

I think he pairs the best as mafia with either lorab or Epi.

I don’t like his exchange with lorab, it seems coordinated, now he’s willing to switch off to someone else, thus turning the vote away from Lorab. They both popped in at the same time and almost did a mini CFD

In the current breakdown if he moves to falcon, you follow, we’re tied which is a mafia win.

This theory does all go out the window if lorab is town, which is the issue right now.

What is CFD?

Also, we are in the same time zone, so same times makes sense ?

And maybe he’s moving off me because he’s played more games with me than anyone else in this game and knows when I’m being honest.

I’m not certain of his alignment, but he feels more civ thannot, to me. And I know I’m not bad. Whcich, btw, is the main reason I have been self defending so hard. The one thing I know for certain in this game is that I am civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Eh, my issues are with her answers (no offense lorab )

For example on the LC question she basically says nothing? I get the Meta side, but D4 with lots of content I need more.

Pair that with her accusing me of not reading the thread and really only focusing on the two people who are active and not pro lorab and I don’t know. I don’t see the towny angle there

In this instance she did say Epi is more suspicious than you, so it's not quite that I don't think.

More development in her LC read would be helpful. @LoRab

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But then again lorab is very active, mafia could survive one player being flipped right? Would it make sense for her to come guns a blazing

There's more reason for her to have a sense of urgency as civilian than as mafia. I don't know how much of a difference that makes.

Yea that’s what I’m saying. So

4 v 2 assuming tony claim
4 v 1 night kills 2 v 1

That gives mafia another shot

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But then again lorab is very active, mafia could survive one player being flipped right? Would it make sense for her to come guns a blazing

There's more reason for her to have a sense of urgency as civilian than as mafia. I don't know how much of a difference that makes.

Yea that’s what I’m saying. So

4 v 2 assuming tony claim
4 v 1 night kills 2 v 1

That gives mafia another shot

Yes. Given the double-kill, this game can only end today if the civilians lose it. Mafia cannot lose today.

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Okay I think I might be getting paranoid and reading too deeply into things.

I’m going to read Wilgy really quick and be back

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Paranoia is probably the right way to be when a game is hanging in the balance with zero mafia dead.

[LoRab]

Eh, my issues are with her answers (no offense lorab )

For example on the LC question she basically says nothing? I get the Meta side, but D4 with lots of content I need more.

Pair that with her accusing me of not reading the thread and really only focusing on the two people who are active and not pro lorab and I don’t know. I don’t see the towny angle there

In this instance she did say Epi is more suspicious than you, so it's not quite that I don't think.

More development in her LC read would be helpful. @LoRab

It’s honestly vibe and tone.

[Long Con]

First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.

Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.

I’d be shocked if long con wasn’t mafia

Nahhhh brah. I'm in my stated towncore.

Ok Lorab. I believe you.

My vote will change. I have to go to the corner store first. Back in 15.

Who are you moving too?

Falcon. Or Epi. In that order of preference.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s honestly vibe and tone.

Thanks.

I know that isn't much, but sometimes there isn't much else to say. Intuition doesn't provide a big wall post.

[Long Con]

Town reads:
Tony
Simon
Falcon
Wilgy

Townlean:
Moto
Epi

Scumlean:
JJJ
Long con

SCUMREAD:
Princess Abbi

TALK MORE:
Lorab
Sig
Abbi sophia

if we think scotty was killed for a read why did everyone focus on Jay and not LC?

I believe that was a falcon thing.

[sig]

Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

Would Mafia epi kill Wilgy based off this?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to be straight:

I have no clue about this game. My reads do come from my brain, but they feel barely better than arbitrary. I am not even close to finding comfortable footing or knowing what I am doing in this thread. While that is attributable to some degree to the state of the thread itself, I am probably also tired, old, and out of practice.

You could also be Maf

Unless activity level changes do you think we ever catch W Jay this game?

I do

It all depends on whether or not he decides to kill me in the next 2 days tho

Scotty may have given the mafia ideas.

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[VOTE: epi] aubergine

This isn’t my final thought here, but the more lorab posts less sure I am of that move.

Also if we think it’s Epi and Falcon it needs to be epi tonight.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

Would Mafia epi kill Wilgy based off this?

Plausibly. He'd probably also think it's a good way to ensure I remain useless (because Wilgy suspected me too).

[Long Con]

Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

Would Mafia epi kill Wilgy based off this?

I'd be happy to be paired with Shingen himself. Even if he didn't suspect that, he'd know moto is Town and likely to be eliminated before Epi? Which would discredit this tinfoil pretty nicely?

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Well okay confession time, I’ve sprinkled it throughout this phase, so if you look you could probably find it, buuuuut I’m an odd night gun smith starting night 3 and I have Epi

[Long Con]

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

This isn’t my final thought here, but the more lorab posts less sure I am of that move.

Also if we think it’s Epi and Falcon it needs to be epi tonight.

You have been very convincingly Town in this latest section of the game. I thought you were getting a pass too easily, but you've given me newfound confidence in you, so that's nice.

I'll vote Epi if it needs to be Epi tonight. [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

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Gave epi a gun* so maybe big oops there

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well okay confession time, I’ve sprinkled it throughout this phase, so if you look you could probably find it, buuuuut I’m an odd night gun smith starting night 3 and I have Epi

What'd you do on Night 1

[Long Con]

Well okay confession time, I’ve sprinkled it throughout this phase, so if you look you could probably find it, buuuuut I’m an odd night gun smith starting night 3 and I have Epi

What does that mean? You can shoot him?

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[VOTE: epi] aubergine

This isn’t my final thought here, but the more lorab posts less sure I am of that move.

Also if we think it’s Epi and Falcon it needs to be epi tonight.

You have been very convincingly Town in this latest section of the game. I thought you were getting a pass too easily, but you've given me newfound confidence in you, so that's nice.

I'll vote Epi if it needs to be Epi tonight. [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Well rip maybe I shouldn’t have done that last post the

[sig]

Well okay confession time, I’ve sprinkled it throughout this phase, so if you look you could probably find it, buuuuut I’m an odd night gun smith starting night 3 and I have Epi

What does that mean? You can shoot him?

No like I gave him a gun to shoot someone.