The Avengers [ENDGAME]

[Roxy]

Since I am alone here, I go back to reread stuff.

what did you find on your re-read?

[Roxy]

Was gonna make a town list and a poe but it turns out all of you minus SVS are in my POE.


sad for me

[Abigail Sophia]

I wish to know thoughts from @Abigail Sophia @motobot @Roxy

What do you want to know?

Anything game related, reads, opinions on the night kill, etc.
I get you are not Abigail I know, so if you can tell me things about you as a player it will be useful

I wish to know thoughts from @Abigail Sophia @motobot @Roxy

What do you want to know?

Well kinda need literally anything from you currently since a full day phase has gone by and there's enough content to dissect.

Thanks Brad, +1

Honestly I'm having trouble keeping who said what straight

The only read I have is Moto being Mafia

Reasoning: The only game I've played with him (besides this) we were a town team together and he played differently than he is now

Also he voted me without giving a reason just like with LC (or at least I didn't see him give one) maybe he voted me because I said I was suspicious of him in a previous post?

@motobot Why did you vote me?

[Abigail Sophia]

Wait is Simon Delta?

Simon and Abigail are Epi's children

And Moto

[TonyStarkPrime]

So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab

Why? Because I point out technical possibilities? That’s what I always do.

Has to do with the wording a bit

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground

And you know that how?

I’m very smart

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.

Can you share for the rest of the class?

Reaction to the Wilgy flip is good and defense of AS is good and I think he comes out of the slap fight looking fine (Brad kinda does too but that’s way more of a meta read)

Now I think it’s plausible he’s a wolf still cause I’ve never seen him wolf

[sig]

OK, Wilgys flip was in purple font, same as the Independent, and Epi address the Avengers in the same orange font





Ergo, Wilgy was either Thanos or Deadpool

Yea that was my assumption.

Having said that I think the people who mech cleared him based off the flip are worth eyeing today. I think it was SVS?

Meanwhile I think Roxy looks great since we had the same thought

[Roxy]

Wait is Simon Delta?

Simon and Abigail are Epi's children

And Moto

aww thanks for letting me know <3

[TonyStarkPrime]

Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
SVS
Roxy
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon
Lorab

I said I should be adding Roxy before and forgot so now I actually have her.

--------------------------------------

Abigail Sophia
dunya
leetic
Long Con
motobot
sig
TonyStarkPrime


This would be the remaining POE for me looking at this game.

@Porscha @Michelle @S~V~S @Roxy

Do any of y'all have any sort of reason to townread anyone in this pile of names that I have in the POE?

How are you judging the Porscha tr

[sig]

If wilgy had not been nightkilled, how long would it take before we became suspicious of his survival?

I had him pegged as third party so honestly probably not until final 5-6 or so.

[sig]

Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.

I can recall off the top of my head two games where Wilgy played the long game and played it hard and well, as YOUR bad teammate.

I find this post troubling tbh, and can’t think of a reason why you would say this as town.

I’ve never seen a player do aggressively (and successfully) defend a teammate as he did YOU in Cyberpunk.

Even though he wound up losing that was probably one of the single best Mafia performances I’ve ever seen.

I love this post by SVS and agree.

I’m also not sure I like how quickly Lime shifted into an NKA/search to find who might’ve killed him. It’s a red flag for sure.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok I did say it was maybe premature but only once and tbf it was premature

Yeah, I was paraphrasing.

I also thought you meant Wilgys posts here, when in rereading it, I think you actually meant "other peoples posts", so i was thinking of this too. I thought you were saying his posts weren't wolfy, which was a bit for me. My mistake, I think.

Can someone explain the DrWilgy wagon for me? Not sure why people are criticising my LC push when there doesn't appear to be much substance to push Wilgy right now either

He has Wolfy posts

What makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?

Their posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read them

I haven't caught up; do you have any other feels about anyone else? I saw you in one game, where you were afk for days, you showed up and in 6 one line posts you called out a wolf. I guess with you I'm looking for your level of confidence, and I haven't really seen that?

It’s harder in games like this where the player list isn’t as familiar with what I can read pretty quickly (and there are just fewer posts), even players like Falcon who I used to be able to read very well have developed and he’s a much harder read now. I feel pretty sketchy on Porscha but I wouldn’t call it a wolf full time. Same with Simon.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Uh maybe close to a Michelle read

[Roxy]

@sig if when you catch up you can give any sort of baddie reads for me it would so great.

[sig]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Nothing much hbu?

[Roxy]

ok I did say it was maybe premature but only once and tbf it was premature

Yeah, I was paraphrasing.

I also thought you meant Wilgys posts here, when in rereading it, I think you actually meant "other peoples posts", so i was thinking of this too. I thought you were saying his posts weren't wolfy, which was a bit for me. My mistake, I think.

Can someone explain the DrWilgy wagon for me? Not sure why people are criticising my LC push when there doesn't appear to be much substance to push Wilgy right now either

He has Wolfy posts

What makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?

Their posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read them

I haven't caught up; do you have any other feels about anyone else? I saw you in one game, where you were afk for days, you showed up and in 6 one line posts you called out a wolf. I guess with you I'm looking for your level of confidence, and I haven't really seen that?

It’s harder in games like this where the player list isn’t as familiar with what I can read pretty quickly (and there are just fewer posts), even players like Falcon who I used to be able to read very well have developed and he’s a much harder read now. I feel pretty sketchy on Porscha but I wouldn’t call it a wolf full time. Same with Simon.

I am feeling slightly better about you since your posting spurt and the substance of your posts. Thanks for the work you've done.

[sig]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.

It read as a reaction test vote to me. Am I missing something?

Reaction test to whom? If to Sig, why do it to someone who's unlikely to respond?

he'll respond, he doesn't like me and he won't pass up the opportunity

Psh lies and slander! You’re easily in the top 80% of players whom I like in this game

[TonyStarkPrime]

One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there

Another out of expectation (OoE) is PrincessAbbi. Those 4 posts don’t say much, and not to use the participation card but it’s not what I expect from her

This is the first game I've played where my father hasn't spoken for me (I think) so I'm not used to checking on the conversation

I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game

But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though

How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?

Sorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yet

I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)

(that game)

Abigail Sophia didn't actually comment on me but voted for me. Curious.

@Abigail Sophia, why did you click on me?

When I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.

The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that

I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd

I made a mistake and I am sorry

(this game)

I personally did not vote for her for low posting, I voted based specifically on her Wilgy vote. Drive by votes are my least favorite thing in Mafia, tbh. Very seriously. BUT you are right; not a very experienced player, and in retrospect, if she had teammates, maybe they would have told her that was not a good look. I mean, I thought her after the fact explanation sounded coached, but, again, in retrospect, they would also have had plenty of time to coach her BEFORE she made that vote.

So meh.

I will consider this and prolly switch my vote today.

Did Moto say why he voted for her? I'm kinda flitting around in here this AM, so haven't got much linear reading going, and I need to go get ready to go to work soon.

I tgink like you gotta take the vote in the concept of someone who is fairly unfamiliar with the style of forum mafia and is a low poster but is still invested in the game and looking to contribute. We’ve got a pretty high post count sort of folk around these parts and so those archetypes are not as common — it’s hard to be invested given how many posts there are if you’re not staying current. But I don’t see the vote as necessarily wolfy

[sig]

I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground

Where did you get this theory from?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wilgy was and still is a wolf I stand by this

Explain it please

Also whats the "I’ll be back pill"?

idgi

Can you help an ESL here?

Google says "IDGI is an acronym that stands for "I Don't Get It."

So I don't understand your post and you don't understand my question?

I mistyped in the first thing. I thought Wilgy was a wolf and thought his flip was mechanical and there was not necessarily a reason to believe his flip was a wolf kill. I still think this but a review of the data has led me to believe that Wilgy is actually town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

“Who kills Wilgy” is actually an interesting NKA question

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground

Where did you get this theory from?

It’s pretty conspiratorial but looks like other people picked up on it so I’m willing to explain. There’s a famous comic storyline where Cap evades death a few times and is eventually comic-book-killed by a sniper [no spoilers], the write ups are reminiscent of that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Roxy
Yes because iirc Motobots vote was the third. Abigail’s vote on Wilgy was even sketchier imo, but that vote hadn’t been made when I posted about motos vote.

Leetic was also sketchy but it wasn’t a pile on. “Random” or “vibe” pile ons always strike me as sus.

I thought Porschas was a joke at the time. Although in retrospect, TSPs “Willy is bad” “oh wait maybe not” “his posts are bad” “ maybe not” thing yet leaving his vote on Wilgy was also mega sketch.

did I ever said maybe not because I doubt it

but, but, but:

these are from you day one:

Willy’s a wolf

Ok he only has 4 posts so that might be premature

Can someone explain the DrWilgy wagon for me? Not sure why people are criticising my LC push when there doesn't appear to be much substance to push Wilgy right now either

He has Wolfy posts

What makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?

Their posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read them

You seem to have trying to cover your ass when it came to others looking back at your iso. LOL You went from he has wolfy posts to they weren't wolfy or I didn't read them.

Last post not referring to wilgy

[sig]

@sig if when you catch up you can give any sort of baddie reads for me it would so great.

I’m having some serious issues with finding mafia reads right now.

I could see either Leetic or Lime, but not both.

Lorab name seems to be getting thrown around a lot, but I can’t recall much from her either way.

LC was a D1 mafia read for me, he can stay mafia, but there’s nothing new to add to that read.

I’ve gotta do my own NKA of Wilgy I think and then my views might change, I agree with SVS regarding the why and would add we probably have one TS oldie on the team who thought that role let nights be open forever.


I don't want to vote off the following today:
Simon/AS: both seem to be playing within the meta they had last game.

Roxy/SVS: good solving energy and seem towny. Roxy tricks me a lot though sooooo keep that in mind

I need to reread Falcon, Michelle, Porscha, TSP, and Moto before I can make a good call either way. But, nothing from any of them has stood out as scummy.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hmm I like the Sig thinking on an old-school name worried about open nights

[S~V~S]

“Who kills Wilgy” is actually an interesting NKA question

That’s what I’m pondering here.

Based on how he came in after Brad, I very seriously doubt it was leetic.

I don’t see leetic killing Wilgy and then coming in here and being the person to spearhead going for Wilgys voters. I just don’t.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yeah that was more or less my mindset. But especially given how the day poll goes I think we have to at least consider the possibility that Wilgy was mechanically slated to die and the mafia kill got stopped in some other way. It’s all just too convenient, especially with the open night.

[Roxy]

I just noticed these on pg 1:

VISION
Technopathy
On one occasion, you may assume complete control over the next Day’s poll. At Night, you can select four to six names to appear.


SPIDER-MAN
Web Shot
You protect your target from all Night actions in a thick webbing, but this renders your target blocked at the same time.


LOKI
Trick Poll
Each Night, you may switch the names of two people in the poll. These names will appear normally on the poll, but if one of the two is voted out, the other is killed instead. You may target yourself. The double targeting rule applies.



Were these always there bc I do not remember them?

[TonyStarkPrime]

They were not

[TonyStarkPrime]

Holy Crocodile that Loki ability is obnoxious

[Roxy]

Roxy tricks me a lot though sooooo keep that in mind

and vice-versa

[Roxy]

Holy Crocodile that Loki ability is obnoxious

agreed and quite scary.

[Porscha]

Brad you're being like. A little too bitchy and some of what you said yesterday has put me off

I'm trying not to be but like I said in the argument I tried to get 1 thing off of someone but literally didn't get anything from it. Like I'm trying to get something done with this game.

ok then just give up on leetic and work somewhere else lol

[Porscha]

One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there

I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game

But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though

How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?

Sorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yet

I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)

(that game)

Abigail Sophia didn't actually comment on me but voted for me. Curious.

@Abigail Sophia, why did you click on me?

When I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.

The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that

I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd

I made a mistake and I am sorry

(this game)

Was also going to say that. Her mislynch in that game gives me pause to vote her in this game.

NGL this feels towny.

If it's towny for lorab why isn't it also towny for leetic who brought it up to begin with

The fact that Leetic isn't even giving a read there and is just stating something?

it's definitely a soft defense from leetic towards abi. he didn't have to directly say it, bringing that up unprompted says it

[Porscha]

@Porscha

Like is there any chance you'll give me an opportunity and vote Leetic with me?

You don't seem to have a confident wolf read yourself. If you did I'd be more than happy following and giving you the credit if it flips mafia.

But this is one of the few times I'm confident in a wolfread. I'm asking for you to sheep me on it.

hm... you're right that I don't have a confident scumread, but why should I be confidently scumreading leetic? I think you guys should kith and make up

[Porscha]

Wow even tsp has more posts than me as of this post

Well your 7 one liner posts before and after this one boosted your post count too bad you are not really giving much substance with your one liners.

aw I felt pretty bold saying the first few of them

[Porscha]

“Who kills Wilgy” is actually an interesting NKA question

the question already assumes too much imo

[Porscha]

I just noticed these on pg 1:

VISION
Technopathy
On one occasion, you may assume complete control over the next Day’s poll. At Night, you can select four to six names to appear.


SPIDER-MAN
Web Shot
You protect your target from all Night actions in a thick webbing, but this renders your target blocked at the same time.


LOKI
Trick Poll
Each Night, you may switch the names of two people in the poll. These names will appear normally on the poll, but if one of the two is voted out, the other is killed instead. You may target yourself. The double targeting rule applies.



Were these always there bc I do not remember them?

lol swag

[Porscha]

guess we can assume technopathy wasn't used last night since we have more than 4-6 names to select from

[Porscha]

oh the loki ability is nightly xd that's hilarious

[Long Con]

I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground

Where did you get this theory from?

It’s pretty conspiratorial but looks like other people picked up on it so I’m willing to explain. There’s a famous comic storyline where Cap evades death a few times and is eventually comic-book-killed by a sniper [no spoilers], the write ups are reminiscent of that.

No spoilers, gotcha. I won't mention the time-bullet.

You went a little deeper on your Cap analysis - I just thought it would be flavourful and character-appropriate for Cap's ability to be surviving a deah... because he has an indestructible shield.

I just noticed these on pg 1:

VISION
Technopathy
On one occasion, you may assume complete control over the next Day’s poll. At Night, you can select four to six names to appear.


SPIDER-MAN
Web Shot
You protect your target from all Night actions in a thick webbing, but this renders your target blocked at the same time.


LOKI
Trick Poll
Each Night, you may switch the names of two people in the poll. These names will appear normally on the poll, but if one of the two is voted out, the other is killed instead. You may target yourself. The double targeting rule applies.



Were these always there bc I do not remember them?

Noice.

Holy Crocodile that Loki ability is obnoxious

Total flavour win though. Epi done good.

[Long Con]

I wasn't really around yesterday, it was one of those days. I tried to keep up during scraps of time by catching up on my phone, so I'm "caught up", but I really need to do a nice desktop reread. Maybe a cup of tea.

I did see someone still mentioning leetic's D1 vote on me. I just want to say that I don't hold it against him/find it suspicious. It was D1 and the game needed to get going. It's, like... legit enough for me. I don't think I suspect leetic at this time.

[Lime Coke]

@Porscha

Like is there any chance you'll give me an opportunity and vote Leetic with me?

You don't seem to have a confident wolf read yourself. If you did I'd be more than happy following and giving you the credit if it flips mafia.

But this is one of the few times I'm confident in a wolfread. I'm asking for you to sheep me on it.

this feels icky. You will give someone else credit for leetic's elim if he flips bad?

If you want to actually convince others to join you - you should build a case instead of just arguing back and forth ad nauseum beating a dead horse to death again.

Outline why you think he is bad, please.

You...completely misread that entirely.

If Porscha had a scumread on someone else I would be glad to follow and if that person flips mafia then I'll give her the credit.

If we end up flipping Leetic and he flips mafia then I want the credit.

And too bad if you don't like it. If I'm confident in something I'll ping people I trust or people I townread or even people I think will have enough logic to follow.

[Lime Coke]

Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.

I can recall off the top of my head two games where Wilgy played the long game and played it hard and well, as YOUR bad teammate.

I find this post troubling tbh, and can’t think of a reason why you would say this as town.

I’ve never seen a player do aggressively (and successfully) defend a teammate as he did YOU in Cyberpunk.

Even though he wound up losing that was probably one of the single best Mafia performances I’ve ever seen.

I love this post by SVS and agree.

I’m also not sure I like how quickly Lime shifted into an NKA/search to find who might’ve killed him. It’s a red flag for sure.

Oh my God.

I DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT

LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE HAS

ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THIS?

[Lime Coke]

Brad you're being like. A little too bitchy and some of what you said yesterday has put me off

I'm trying not to be but like I said in the argument I tried to get 1 thing off of someone but literally didn't get anything from it. Like I'm trying to get something done with this game.

ok then just give up on leetic and work somewhere else lol

@Porscha

Like is there any chance you'll give me an opportunity and vote Leetic with me?

You don't seem to have a confident wolf read yourself. If you did I'd be more than happy following and giving you the credit if it flips mafia.

But this is one of the few times I'm confident in a wolfread. I'm asking for you to sheep me on it.

hm... you're right that I don't have a confident scumread, but why should I be confidently scumreading leetic? I think you guys should kith and make up

Porscha you can look around on the thread and you'll see numerous times where players are asking him for reads or literally anything related to game solving or solving a player and he outright ignores it and then proceeds to do nothing else.

This is a dude that will hard defend a townread if he has one.
He will have a good amount of reads in games.

This he's had next to none of.

[Long Con]

Hey LC, you just yelled. What's up, tell me your story.

[Long Con]

I don't put much stock in "Wilgy's really good so it's suspicious that you say you WOULDN'T have killed him." Is that what people are saying?

[Long Con]

Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.

I can recall off the top of my head two games where Wilgy played the long game and played it hard and well, as YOUR bad teammate.

I find this post troubling tbh, and can’t think of a reason why you would say this as town.

I’ve never seen a player do aggressively (and successfully) defend a teammate as he did YOU in Cyberpunk.

Even though he wound up losing that was probably one of the single best Mafia performances I’ve ever seen.

I love this post by SVS and agree.

I’m also not sure I like how quickly Lime shifted into an NKA/search to find who might’ve killed him. It’s a red flag for sure.

Oh my God.

I DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT

LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE HAS

ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THIS?

I just read through that quote chain again and I definitely have criticisms.

[Lime Coke]

What would you like me to do?

Should I do fuck all and not give reads?

Should I just join games just to post twice a day phase and do nothing?

Is that what we want for games?

Maybe give a wider worldview? Who are your top three wolfreads, excluding me?

Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
SVS
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon
Lorab

I mean... this is as worldview as I can get.

Do you have anything against anything any of them being townread?

In terms of scumreads I don't have many, like if they're not in my townreads more than likely I'm fine with voting them.

I felt like Wilgy was Captain America as well.

I agree.

Did... you... want to answer the question I just asked or what?

What would you like me to do?

Should I do fuck all and not give reads?

Should I just join games just to post twice a day phase and do nothing?

Is that what we want for games?

Maybe give a wider worldview? Who are your top three wolfreads, excluding me?

who are your top 3 leetic?
@Lime Coke did you answer this?

@Porscha

These are more recent examples.

Like he's not shy with his reads or slink away from answering when town. Him just flat out ignoring these and never actually giving reads means he's probably in anti-spew.