Help! Hostage Host! [WOLF WIN]

[Lilypetal]

Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

[Michelle]

Michelle
4
36%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, S~V~S

If lily is a wolf like I think, who wants to save her??

[Dragon D. Luffy]

He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

Spoiler: show

You seem to be flip-flopping weirdly between having voted facon for self-press and actually coming up with a reason for it. Not sure if I dig it.

They are both things that passed through my mind at Eod. What's there to dig?

I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Not that post. This post:

You seem to be flip-flopping weirdly between having voted facon for self-press and actually coming up with a reason for it. Not sure if I dig it.

mmm I do agree with this. Two different angles in the same breath, like she can’t make up her mind on what sounds the most defensible so she just says both

I'm pretty sure the two sentences have the same meaning, yes.

What is the point of this argument, anyway? It's one thing to discuss on whether flip-flopping makes you scummy, but now you are nitpicking whether my usage of "paraphrasing" applies or not. This is a waste of time.

And it's only making you feel more manipulative to me since you are skipping posts that don't contribute to your nitpicking, while trying to make me look bad for something unrelated to the game.

tbf, using wilgy agreeing with what you said to then use against someone like "well scotty said x" yes but scotty said it after already agreeing with you, so it feels like you're just ganging up on michelle by throwing around the opinion of someone who is mostly townread as a threat

this all feels really nitpicky, at best its unproductive at worst you're using the "town leader" to throw around power instead of your own power

At this point it's no longer about the original point I was making and more about the fact Michelle keeps doing olympic gymnastics to avoid the point I was making.

[Michelle]

Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

No


I had enough

[Lilypetal]

Michelle
4
36%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, S~V~S

If lily is a wolf like I think, who wants to save her??

Wait why do you think I'm a wolf LOL

[Michelle]

Also i think you are a wolf

[Lilypetal]

Wow me offering you a cw not realizing ur scum reading me is p funny

[Lilypetal]

It's also very towny and you should know that and accept my help

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You really don't have a sense of when you stop.

Stopping is for people who lack confidence.

[Porscha]

One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

if I was the jailkeeper I would not say anything because if I jailed scotty I wouldn't know if he was saved or if he was mafia rb'd. and then i'd be outed to serial killer to get silly killed. so pretty bad plan

[Michelle]

DDL you have no point

You misinterpreted what Scotty said from my pov.

I don't care about your opinion more than that.

It's about MY opinion.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

(which makes me sound like an asshole but I wanted to sound cool)

(sorry lol)

[Porscha]

He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

Spoiler: show

They are both things that passed through my mind at Eod. What's there to dig?

I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Not that post. This post:

You seem to be flip-flopping weirdly between having voted facon for self-press and actually coming up with a reason for it. Not sure if I dig it.

mmm I do agree with this. Two different angles in the same breath, like she can’t make up her mind on what sounds the most defensible so she just says both

I'm pretty sure the two sentences have the same meaning, yes.

What is the point of this argument, anyway? It's one thing to discuss on whether flip-flopping makes you scummy, but now you are nitpicking whether my usage of "paraphrasing" applies or not. This is a waste of time.

And it's only making you feel more manipulative to me since you are skipping posts that don't contribute to your nitpicking, while trying to make me look bad for something unrelated to the game.

tbf, using wilgy agreeing with what you said to then use against someone like "well scotty said x" yes but scotty said it after already agreeing with you, so it feels like you're just ganging up on michelle by throwing around the opinion of someone who is mostly townread as a threat

this all feels really nitpicky, at best its unproductive at worst you're using the "town leader" to throw around power instead of your own power

At this point it's no longer about the original point I was making and more about the fact Michelle keeps doing olympic gymnastics to avoid the point I was making.

I dunno I didn't feel that way reading through it, sometimes people seem to miss small pieces in michelle's posting from language barrier or something but I think she explained her situation in a comprehensible way that is hard to say is AI or not

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL you have no point

You misinterpreted what Scotty said from my pov.

I don't care about your opinion more than that.

It's about MY opinion.

You continue not to even address the post that I was originally quoting. Not even when I quote it again and beg that you address it.

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I really should have done this sooner lol fuck

[Porscha]

olive branch michelle

[Michelle]

You really don't have a sense of when you stop.

Stopping is for people who lack confidence.

No, you have a wrong image of common sense.

[Porscha]

DDL you have no point

You misinterpreted what Scotty said from my pov.

I don't care about your opinion more than that.

It's about MY opinion.

You continue not to even address the post that I was originally quoting. Not even when I quote it again and beg that you address it.

what is the point of this ddl, what are we achieving here

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Godanmit.

[Lilypetal]

Wtf lol

[Porscha]

dang roxy didnt even vote eh

[Lilypetal]

Forcing me to self pres is so fucking lame why would you do that

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm pissed.

And my brain is telling that wolf Michelle would at least try not to piss people off like this.

I will not make votes based on anger.

[Michelle]

DDL you have no point

You misinterpreted what Scotty said from my pov.

I don't care about your opinion more than that.

It's about MY opinion.

You continue not to even address the post that I was originally quoting. Not even when I quote it again and beg that you address it.

It ends here.

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Godanmit.

there's no way you're doing this rn lol vote roxy

[Porscha]

pls i tr lily pls

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Self pres

Could've been avoided easily if any of u are villagers

[Porscha]

I tr the girlies ddl pls vote roxy

[Lilypetal]

They aren't swapping lol

[Porscha]

why does town commit crimes against each other

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I tr the girlies ddl pls vote roxy

Theres no wagon.

[Lilypetal]

Weird af

[Porscha]

we could have been brethren

[Lilypetal]

why does town commit crimes against each other

Yeah idk

Sad

[Porscha]

I tr the girlies ddl pls vote roxy

Theres no wagon.

WHA DO YOU MEAN

[Michelle]

Good bye

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Roxy aint dying with 2 votes.

[Porscha]

TEHRE WOULD HAVE BEEN WAGON IF YOU DIDNT FORCE LILY TO PRES AND JOINED US

[DrWilgy]

poll
Why a hot dog?
Poll ended at Sun May 26, 2024 3:00 pm


Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
3
25%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Michelle, Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
1
8%
Voters: Scotty
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
4
33%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Lilypetal, Jackofhearts2005, S~V~S
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
1
8%
Voters: Porscha
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Someone going camping (non player)
3
25%
Voters: DrWilgy, Epignosis, Syn
Total votes: 12

[DrWilgy]

As my kidnappers squabbled as to who the bad kidnappers are (probably all of you, please let me go) they decided that Michelle was the bad egg, and thus the ghost of Falcon was called down. Falcon smiled at Michelle and pointed. Michelle was obliterated instantly before Falcon's ghost returned to the afterlife.

Michelle has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

It is now N2. You have 23 hours to submit night actions and messages.

[DrWilgy]

End of N2,

Once again I'm bringing you news from the end of this night, I'm being told to say, oh, I wasn't supposed to say 'I'm being told to say' and now they are looking agrily at me... Anyways:

Long Con has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

Long Con has been killed, they were town 2 shot Motion Detector.

The post above is lying. The post below is telling the truth.

Long Con has died. He was the glue that held us all together.

No one has died. It is now Day3

Porscha is a good egg mmm
Waffles

Long Con has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

TonyStarkPrime is a two-shot jailkeeper

It is now D3, you have 48 hours and 80 more posts.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Porscha and @Lilypetal apoligies for the mess that was EoD2.

What happened was that I decided I no longer wanted to vote Michelle, because I realized I was being influenced by my own anger. Then I looked at the poll, saw wagons on her and Lily, and hoped to Lily.

Then I'm not completely sure, but what I gather is that while I wrote my post announcing the vote on Lily, the later changed her vote to Roxy. Then I sent the post, and started writing a second one explaining the change. As I did, Lily saw my first post and changed to Michelle to self-pres. Then after I sent my post, I saw a bunch of new ones and tried to skim them but didn't really have time to understand them all. Then I saw Porscha screaming at me to jump on her newly Roxy wagon, but then I checked the poll again and saw no Roxy wagon, only 1 vote. I started arguing about it with Porscha, when suddenly the host locked the thread.

Only afterwards, as I read the thread, I realized you two had started a Roxy CFD with 5 minutes left for the poll to lock, and that you did while I was writing other posts.

So apologies for failing to notice what was going on, maybe I could have coordinated better. Or maybe 5 minutes were too little for it. Meh.

[Scotty]

4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

One things’s for certain: the silly SK is probably not having any luck.

Rip LC and Michelle.

I apologize for my absence the back half of the last day- I was out hiking with friends all day. And in my reread, I see I got some more conspiracy. Not completely unfounded logic, but notable.

Anyway [VOTE: Jack] aubergine 3 time’s a charm

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Another possibility is that the SK and the mafia double shot LC.

[Scotty]

I want to get rid of a higher poster today. Yes, I know that includes me. I have not felt good about the general wagon makeups that we gravitate towards at end of day.

[Scotty]

Another possibility is that the SK and the mafia double shot LC.

Yeah, that’s why I say probably. But I dunno, that’s highly random. If you could correctly pick one of those messages from the night before and link it to LC, then glory be.

Also, based on the fact that LC didn’t seem to understand the message mech, I doubt he submitted one N1. So he had to be exactly the motion detector. But that’s also absolutely random. I think it more likely he was just VT

Which actually just gave me a thought- what is the penalty for not submitting a quote? Because if there ISNT a penalty, VTs can just..not submit and the SK can’t kill them. Unless I’m reading something wrong.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

[Scotty]

that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

I spy an agenda for you:

Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Talk about a full smear campaign to discredit the witness, your honor.

1. This entire conspiracy theory is predicated on the theory that mafia attempted to kill me N1 and thus I must be the SK. This entire premise was then validated by SVS and DDL. Regardless of their affiliation, it boils down to a full conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing. It’s as if the acknowledgement of myself and others that a JK exists isn’t as sexy as a full page taken out in the Daily Enquirer talking about how I eat children for breakfast.

I don’t, by the way; they’re more of a midafternoon snack. But I digress.

No, he’s setting my up with enough doubt that once we get down to…oh…maybe now in numbers, or if we had already caught a mafia, the real push can happen. Because no one else seems to suspect Jack, and he’s down to “shrugyeet” me if there aren’t any better options.


2. Talk to me more about how you maybe tried to kill me and now have to find ways to make me dead. It could even be that you fully believe I AM the silly SK. But, again, the JK theory is less likely because… ???

3. Talk about some hubris. Yes, I once again seem to the be only one that is gunning for you. Does that really make it look better for me if you get misyeeted? If there’s anyone in this game that is trying to affix a label of town leader, it’s you. I’m in no way trying to be a leader, but I’m feeling more and more inclined that I am just right about you. And if I’m wrong, that’s….not a good look for me lol

[Scotty]

There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

Quite possible.

The motion detector one HAS to be a lie, right? Because if we’re in matrix 5, then there is no JK, and no vig.

There’s no way to fully know, because vig probably would have shot by now. I would assume. And it could very well just be that the JK got me, I got NK’d, and the vig tried a hero shot on me N1.
Or any other variation of someone just not submitting shit, and me not actually being the target at all.

At least LC makes sense as a kill. And I feel like I surely would have been the kill last night if I wasn’t the target N1, so from my perspective, I feel like we HAVE to be in the matrix with the vig and JK, because I am NOT the SK