Help! Hostage Host! [WOLF WIN]

[Scotty]

Scotty is talking about the SK because I started talking about it first.

I, one of the people who have stated to think Scotty is the SK before.

I think that would be a little too hard to ignore.

And you are right that we don't know there was a double shot, but from what I see, the double shot is the most likely possibility, by far. It's like 1 in 20, where anything else is like 1 in a 1000. I mean, what is the chance a townie randomly decided to make a fake LC death post the night mafia kills LC?

(No I did not calculate those odds for real)

Ok here’s my scenario that you seem to continue to purposefully ignore after I made it:
SK is oscillating potential kill targets and plausible PRs in their messages. SVS night 1, LC night 2.
I don’t think LC was far-fetched as a mafia target last night- his dumbbell was pretty innocuous. SVS as N1 wasn’t a bad pick for potential death, as she didn’t have any detractors that I can remember.

I do agree that only SK makes the 4th death post. That’s not towny behavior

[Scotty]

There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

For this to be the case, LC must be the motion detector. Which is bonkers- I looked through his iso and see no hinting or anything of that role.

I think it actually more likely that the SK is oscillating targets with a fake role reveal. The 1st night was probably the one that said ‘SVS was the vig’ and last night was ‘LC was the motion detecter’ and they just happened to guess the right kill.

I think LC was VT. It also lines up that there are 3 ‘LC was vanilla’ messages. The SK wouldn’t use that as a cover.

Now unfortunately, the odds of the SK choosing the correct message at night is increasing and it’s almost a die roll without any investigation. We really need to find a wolf today, and the SK tomorrow

You are complicating things.

The motion detector post may as well be fake. Mafia just needs to make a few contradicting posts to muddle the waters.

And why does he have to hint to have a PR? I don't think I would have hinted at all myself, considering we have a soup killer in the game.

We only have a soup killer for PRs, or else those that are VT are only susceptible regarding night posts.

You seem hesitant to want to acknowledge LC is VT. If I had to guess, I’d say you were the SK

Claiming VT is bad too, because it helps the SK find their targets with PoE.

If you are VT, your job is to convince everyone else you are the most powerful role in town.

Who is claiming VT?

[Scotty]

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

I bet you do.

Talk to me about Jack.

Read the following post.

I’ve now read all your posts.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

No one.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Scotty is talking about the SK because I started talking about it first.

I, one of the people who have stated to think Scotty is the SK before.

I think that would be a little too hard to ignore.

And you are right that we don't know there was a double shot, but from what I see, the double shot is the most likely possibility, by far. It's like 1 in 20, where anything else is like 1 in a 1000. I mean, what is the chance a townie randomly decided to make a fake LC death post the night mafia kills LC?

(No I did not calculate those odds for real)

Ok here’s my scenario that you seem to continue to purposefully ignore after I made it:
SK is oscillating potential kill targets and plausible PRs in their messages. SVS night 1, LC night 2.
I don’t think LC was far-fetched as a mafia target last night- his dumbbell was pretty innocuous. SVS as N1 wasn’t a bad pick for potential death, as she didn’t have any detractors that I can remember.

I do agree that only SK makes the 4th death post. That’s not towny behavior

Sure I guess its possible.

But why does the SK bother to do that? If the person they name doesn't die, it's an obvious fake post.

Why not just make a fake post about the person they are actually shooting?

[Scotty]

"you are not allowed to be annoyed at Sig not posting and not also think he is a wolf"

Holy logical fallacies batman.

Stop reappropriating my goofy Batman quotes in a context that doesn’t even work.

That is in relation to you also finding me less towny because I wasn’t posting and that is the entire point of my post.

I feel like I’m talking to a fish- every time I say something, you catch one word of what I say because you keep diving below water as I’m talking

[Dragon D. Luffy]

"you are not allowed to be annoyed at Sig not posting and not also think he is a wolf"

Holy logical fallacies batman.

Stop reappropriating my goofy Batman quotes in a context that doesn’t even work.

That is in relation to you also finding me less towny because I wasn’t posting and that is the entire point of my post.

I feel like I’m talking to a fish- every time I say something, you catch one word of what I say because you keep diving below water as I’m talking

I don't think you are less townie for post count.

I think you are less townie because your posts felt less townie.

During that period I got a feeling of less casing and more mech talk, compared to your d1 activity.

[Scotty]

You seem angry out of a sudden, Scotty.

YOU ARE CORRECT

and it’s not because I feel threatened that you think I’m SK for whatever reason. I feel like I’m being gaslit.

And that I have to talk to you, (and the odd SVS at 6am who is hung up on thinking I’m trying to discredit her). I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse because you don’t want to take a stance on anything this game

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also I'm not gonna address every word you say because I have like, a life. Also I'm on phone.

So if you write a TL;DR, I am going to locate the main point in it, or the main contradiction, and address that only.

DWI

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You seem angry out of a sudden, Scotty.

YOU ARE CORRECT

and it’s not because I feel threatened that you think I’m SK for whatever reason. I feel like I’m being gaslit.

And that I have to talk to you, (and the odd SVS at 6am who is hung up on thinking I’m trying to discredit her). I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse because you don’t want to take a stance on anything this game

The irony is that you kind of remind me of myself dealing with Michelle yesterday.

Now to figure out if you are being genuine or not...

[Scotty]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

[Scotty]

You seem angry out of a sudden, Scotty.

YOU ARE CORRECT

and it’s not because I feel threatened that you think I’m SK for whatever reason. I feel like I’m being gaslit.

And that I have to talk to you, (and the odd SVS at 6am who is hung up on thinking I’m trying to discredit her). I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse because you don’t want to take a stance on anything this game

The irony is that you kind of remind me of myself dealing with Michelle yesterday.

Now to figure out if you are being genuine or not...

You already determined I’m the SK based on absolutely no logic whatsoever

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

[Scotty]

Also I'm not gonna address every word you say because I have like, a life. Also I'm on phone.

So if you write a TL;DR, I am going to locate the main point in it, or the main contradiction, and address that only.

DWI

That’s fine. I’ve only ever played mafia on my phone for 9 years and don’t have time to do this any more but I can’t stop. But sure

Here ya go

Tl;dr: you are only finding your own tl;dr in my posts and responding to them as you see fit. Your entire game (even though you say this is just how you have operated over dozens of games as town years ago) is not making strong reads for anyone but giving just enough that you could have an opinion you could point to and say ‘well, I did say I sorta kinda suspected them’. I don’t do well with tl;dr’s because when I make cases I am not exactly coming in with a ChatGPT title, theme, summary and motif a la ‘and that is why I am certain ghosts live in my toaster, thanks for coming to my ted talk.’ I’m tired and need to go to work, and just generally want to catch the bad guys. And I tend to post throughout the day only for the other half of the thread to show up in the last hour of the day and go ‘who should we vote guys, who’s bad?’ Well, you’ve had a full 48 hours to make your own observations and interact with people, but instead let’s just vote for someone that has votes.

[Scotty]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

[Scotty]

Oh, if you mean that picture of bags borny is mean, that’s supposed to a version of me, not you.

[Scotty]

In other news, here’s my current read list:

Town
-TSP
-Roxy

Lean town (barely)
-Porscha
-Lily

Lean scum:
-sig
-SVS

Scumread:
-Jack
-DDL

[Jackofhearts2005]

As my kidnappers squabbled as to who the bad kidnappers are (probably all of you, please let me go) they decided that Michelle was the bad egg, and thus the ghost of Falcon was called down. Falcon smiled at Michelle and pointed. Michelle was obliterated instantly before Falcon's ghost returned to the afterlife.

Michelle has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

It is now N2. You have 23 hours to submit night actions and messages.

Boy howdy the leadup to this was ass.

Michelle looked bad. Porscha looked bad. Lily looked bad. DDL looked not great.

I do not understand why there was a Lily wagon but once there was one, Lily was frozen and Porscha went crazy trying to move wagons and kept calling people "my dude" and "my breatheren" and stuff that just feels icky. And then DDL insisted it was between Lily and Michelle because ??? I mean, I guess that's actually not a bad thing since they both looked sus af atm but DDL was saying he didn't think Michelle was scum and never really said why Lily was.

Bleck.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

This is pretty fucking funny, though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

End of N2,

Once again I'm bringing you news from the end of this night, I'm being told to say, oh, I wasn't supposed to say 'I'm being told to say' and now they are looking agrily at me... Anyways:

Long Con has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

Long Con has been killed, they were town 2 shot Motion Detector.

The post above is lying. The post below is telling the truth.

Long Con has died. He was the glue that held us all together.

No one has died. It is now Day3

Porscha is a good egg mmm
Waffles

Long Con has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

TonyStarkPrime is a two-shot jailkeeper

It is now D3, you have 48 hours and 80 more posts.

Wrote a post about four messages saying LC died and then realized my observation was silly sk helpful so I baleeted it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

One things’s for certain: the silly SK is probably not having any luck.

Rip LC and Michelle.

I apologize for my absence the back half of the last day- I was out hiking with friends all day. And in my reread, I see I got some more conspiracy. Not completely unfounded logic, but notable.

Anyway [VOTE: Jack] aubergine 3 time’s a charm

Sorry you're not having any luck.

[TonyStarkPrime]

4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

Yeah it's pretty funny. Smart strategy. Makes it weird that it didn't happen on day 1.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

Yeah it's pretty funny. Smart strategy. Makes it weird that it didn't happen on day 1.

There was no kill in N1

[Roxy]

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Wtaf? I'm not sure if there is any reason I would find acceptable for those that followed *MY* D1 vanity vote.

It's bs. Straight up.

@Lilypetal if you find me bad *again* by all means go for it. But we both know you are wrong.
It's so easy to come in after the vote in which you never voted or posted. Judge me by a normal d 1 occurrence that I have done literally 1000's of times.

Yah you have my full attention especially since there was zero reasons given. lol

lol help? why is this such a strong backlash to the person who called you out on something that doesnt make you look towny (regardless of whether you are or not, you have to admit it doesn't make you look *good*) and then also deflecting onto the people who followed you lol

hey, you guys wouldn't follow me off a cliff would you??? that makes YOU the bozos! not me, who went off the cliff first, of course xd

You have completely ...I just can't. Firstly - Calling anyone bozos is wrong.
You implying it is something I said makes me feel like I just got slimed.

Talk about who is having a strong reaction and it isn't me. lol

But yes this vote is ai for me. You've seen me make similar votes many times as both town and bad.
I feel it is OK for me to find and point out what I find suspicious just fine for *my* game.

look forward to any responses to me !

I do however like what you were saying about the vote on Michelle. To tbh that is where I world have probably voted.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

I mean I do make a point to vote every day.

I just don't say "I think A is scum because X and Y", because I know deep inside myself, that X and Y are made up bullshit. They are often made up tells that don't actually work, and confirmation bias. Lots and lots of confirmation bias. I have a long experience in writing stuff like that and watching them flip town. Over and over. Michelle was almost another case of that.

So I am honest. I'm not sure about anyone's wolf status. I don't know any effective methods to tell what other people are thinking. I don't know if you are lying or not. I don't have any suspects I'm confident in.

I have hunches, I have PoEs, and I'm good at pointing out contradictions, which do happen but are rare. I'm decent at mech strategy. I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.

I'm sorry, but I'm just too honest with myself to keep lying to myself that I can actually do this. I know I can't.

[Jackofhearts2005]

fyi, my laptop keeps restarting itself and I am trying to shop for a new laptop on it and probably won't have time to play more until tomorrow

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I wanna yeet Jack just so he can stop bragging about beiing immortal.

@Scotty wanna make a truce and yeet the guy?

[Roxy]

Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

Can you expand on this extreme push?

Michelle
4
36%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, S~V~S

If lily is a wolf like I think, who wants to save her??

Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

No


I had enough

Wow what is up with this giant push for me from Porscha and Lilypet??

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I really should have done this sooner lol fuck

olive branch michelle

pls i tr lily pls

why does town commit crimes against each other

we could have been brethren

Like a religious cult?

In another you even made an all caps scream post about it, wow.

That eod of day was quite like a push from nowhere since neither made any sort of case. Porscha literally made one post and Lilypetal made one and then never responded to me.

Why? Srsly why @Lilypetal and @Porscha

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm guessing the two will only show up to address this again when the day is 5 minutes to end. And scream at the nearest active townie to vote you.

Like zombies who suddenly get out from the ground and grab the nearest passerby.

[Roxy]

@Porscha and @Lilypetal apoligies for the mess that was EoD2.

What happened was that I decided I no longer wanted to vote Michelle, because I realized I was being influenced by my own anger. Then I looked at the poll, saw wagons on her and Lily, and hoped to Lily.

Then I'm not completely sure, but what I gather is that while I wrote my post announcing the vote on Lily, the later changed her vote to Roxy. Then I sent the post, and started writing a second one explaining the change. As I did, Lily saw my first post and changed to Michelle to self-pres. Then after I sent my post, I saw a bunch of new ones and tried to skim them but didn't really have time to understand them all. Then I saw Porscha screaming at me to jump on her newly Roxy wagon, but then I checked the poll again and saw no Roxy wagon, only 1 vote. I started arguing about it with Porscha, when suddenly the host locked the thread.

Only afterwards, as I read the thread, I realized you two had started a Roxy CFD with 5 minutes left for the poll to lock, and that you did while I was writing other posts.

So apologies for failing to notice what was going on, maybe I could have coordinated better. Or maybe 5 minutes were too little for it. Meh.

Holy crap you would have voted me in a cfd when I was not even around? And you said you wanted to be cool, well this is uncool imo.

Based on EoD stuff, and previous:

I think Roxy is still good. I think Porscha is (probably?) good. The exasperation at end of day to get off both Lily and Michelle could be a play where Porscha knows both are town with TMI, but I feel like it might just be a towny motion

It felt way odd. What reasoning from Porscha did you agree with or what stood out that made you call her prob good?

I forgot sig was still playing this game. He didn’t post at all on D2.

That is depressing. I don’t feel like going that route today- still think we’re being led away from wolves by at least 1 big talker.

Would probably look into SVS and DDL on top of Jack. I see distinct partner equity of a SVS/Jack team but don’t exactly feel like it is a slam dunk. And I don’t currently have a case. But I can *see* the pairing, however useless that may sound

Idk if I like narrowing your suspicion to higher posters. Why limit yourself?

[Roxy]

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

'Hard disagree. Anyone can make a few towny posts Day 1. Not evolving based on new thread info 100% downgrades a day 1 towny look. Although i agree with Scotty that low posters shouldn't be the priority, esp to my mind sig. Sig likes being bad, is good at it, and is a very involved responsible baddie. But I'm not going to TR him based solely on meta without taking thread positions into account. So I find him null.

Me too null until he posts more.

I don't think I've had strong opinions in any mafia game for at least half a decade.

Isn't this how long it's been since you played?

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Did you look back at the eod like you said you were going to? Is that what made you townread Porscha as you imply here?
If yes what made her town on that forced push on me with no reasons? In the last 5 min.

[Roxy]

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

'Hard disagree. Anyone can make a few towny posts Day 1. Not evolving based on new thread info 100% downgrades a day 1 towny look. Although i agree with Scotty that low posters shouldn't be the priority, esp to my mind sig. Sig likes being bad, is good at it, and is a very involved responsible baddie. But I'm not going to TR him based solely on meta without taking thread positions into account. So I find him null.

Me too null until he posts more.

I don't think I've had strong opinions in any mafia game for at least half a decade.

Isn't this how long it's been since you played?

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Did you look back at the eod like you said you were going to? Is that what made you townread Porscha as you imply here?
If yes what made her town on that forced push on me with no reasons? In the last 5 min.

[Roxy]

Internal server error leading to fond memories...

[S~V~S]

You seem angry out of a sudden, Scotty.

YOU ARE CORRECT

and it’s not because I feel threatened that you think I’m SK for whatever reason. I feel like I’m being gaslit.

And that I have to talk to you, (and the odd SVS at 6am who is hung up on thinking I’m trying to discredit her). I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse because you don’t want to take a stance on anything this game

Scotty, you keep putting words in my mouth (or keyboard, to be precise). I don't think you're trying to discredit me. I think You're being a touch paranoid, and maybe missing some context here and there. I find it frustrating that this happens like all the time. In turn, I felt almost like you were trying to make me feel guilty for even entertaining Jacks theory, like it was some kind of betrayal. When really it was just me playing mafia.

And o'dark:30 is my most active time, then and now.

And yes, that is a good description of my feel for DDL. I can't get a grip on him, maybe cause he's slick? Or maybe cause he's faster than me? But yeah.

I just walked in, gotta see to doggo, then answer by @'s (which are all from you lol).

[Roxy]

I'm guessing the two will only show up to address this again when the day is 5 minutes to end. And scream at the nearest active townie to vote you.

Like zombies who suddenly get out from the ground and grab the nearest passerby.

Like you?
Like yesterday?

[Roxy]

I have to pick my dog up from my mom's I'll be back.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Did you look back at the eod like you said you were going to? Is that what made you townread Porscha as you imply here?
If yes what made her town on that forced push on me with no reasons? In the last 5 min.

I mean eod I checked yestersay, to figure out what was going on. I like Porscha cuz I could really feel a person behind that CFD attempt, with all the furstration and everything.

What I said I wanted to do was read the specific posts Porscha/Lily had against you and uh...

[checks]

Yeah ok their argument is that you said and did nothing useful day 1 then acted mean to other people for it... but I feel like you being mean is NAI. Your day 1 is crap tho. Your day 2 is not great. But vibes wise you are not half bad. Could yeet. Might join another CFD. I would like to hear more from the CFD authors first though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm guessing the two will only show up to address this again when the day is 5 minutes to end. And scream at the nearest active townie to vote you.

Like zombies who suddenly get out from the ground and grab the nearest passerby.

Like you?
Like yesterday?

I just wanted out from the Michelle vote.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Basically I will vote for anyone in the Roxy/TSP/Jack/Lily group with minimal amount of convincing. The other 4 will take more convincing.

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

OK, first this.

Spoiler: show

I would be the corpse if she is a vig, what are you talking about?

Read the posts, please. A bunch of people didn't understand the host post.

Also dramatic much? Why are you so sure a vig Svs would have taken you down?

Because she said so?

He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

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I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Yeah I think DDL is misconstruing my takeaway

I’m actively playing a behavioral psychologist to determine motivations for your reasoning and while I can see how you could be using multiple reasoning, I can also see how your meaning could also be better described as ‘I was self pressing AND of the people that I could have voted for, falcon was the one I found less settling’

I don’t know that I even suspect Michelle based on this


But I do see SVS and DDL do find it suspicious which I am noting

Dude, you made that post like an hour after I left, I haven't posted since before you made it. Like I said, I don't find self pres AI, and when I self pres I try to find a rationale for it so as not to feel like a jerk, so I'm not calling people out for the same thing.

So you can un-note me agreeing with it. I do think I agreed with something else you said, but it was about me

You went into some esoteric point that DDL misconstrued nefariously to your POV, and then lumped me in with him as doing the same, and I wasn't even in the thread at the time. I did not agree with his take away since I never saw it. I had my own reason for sussing Michelle, which I said more than once.

I replied to you about this, ^^^ but you never replied back. Now you're saying I have a history of agreeing with DDL about smalll nuances someone else (who happens to be you) made. And I don't.

Scotty, You keep saying I validated or agreed with things I didn’t. Yuck.

You said earlier I agreed with something DDL said when I didn’t.

I’m on phone at a BBQ right now so I’ll pull the posts later, but I wish you would stop bundling me with DDL like this.

Now imma go eat some corn.

Mm, this is based on my reread yesterday in the night, so I reread it again:

Spoiler: show

One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

On one level, it makes sense. No one is gonna yeet Scotty this game.

But on the other level, the best survival scenario for SK is being towny enough not to get yeeted but not so towny they get NKed.

So I would ask; Has Scotty had any very strong opinions? He tends to really focus on his suspects. I'm not sure I'm seeing that, though. He didn't seem to have a very strong single suspect. A few hours before he actually voted for you, he made this post with the "Maybe Jack" kinda vibe, and he only made one post inbetween. If you search his posts for "Jack" its kinda meh.

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I’m trying so hard not to use meta this game, but on the flip side…

I find that the scummier sig is, the townier he is lol

While I can understand the suspicion on him, I also know he is like the easiest mid-elim fodder on D1. Especially for wolves to latch onto.

Not to say I think you’re a wolf, but I don’t see him as being incredibly fruitful of a choice today if he were to flip good.

hahahahahahahah - It's good to be right Meta will always make its way into everyone's game one way or the other.


Also we were cross posting right now yet you completely ignored me

why?

lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

You right, I think I construed ‘this is possible’ with ‘I agree’, when it’s pretty clear you’re pushing back to this theory. My bad.

Although, the bit in this post that stands out to me now is your conclusion: ‘Jack, you making this post and being this obvious is too obvious, therefore I bump you up’

Why?

Did you also see this, Scotty?

@Jackofhearts2005 Yeah, I know that, I talked myself in and out of it with that post

But like I said, Scotty knows how to fade back and he didn't even try here. So I'm more inclined to think he's just town, and we move on and see what happens.

But agreed, it's an interesting discussion but it isn't really getting us anywhere on Day 2.

I thought it was an interesting theory, so i engaged with it. Which is kinda how we play this game. Ultimately, I disagreed with it, based on being your teammate in Lasso. You know how to be a strong presence without being the lead player, and you didn't even try to do that here. You went from zero to sixty in patented towny Scotty behavior.

The way we play this game is theorize that other players are bad roles, and we discuss it. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're not (sorry MichellE ). This is what I did, and decided I didn't believe it. You're acting as if it is some kind of personal betrayal. I "bumped him up" becasue I have no fucking idea who you are, and I didn't know that engaging with it was some kind of crime.

Then you keep trying to lump me in with DDL.

I initially thought Michelle and DDl were the bad team. Then when he got into it with Porscha about Michelle EOD, I unpaired them. I figured he was temp voting her then he would switch at EOD like he did Day 1 (and he did), but that discussion kind of unpaired them to me, then Michelle flipped town. So that leaves me with I'm not understanding why DDL has such strong opinions, yet is unable to commit to a vote.

So I'm not really sure where i stand on DDL, I don't agree with much of what he says, and tbh, I don't understand why he's saying it. Early my day 1 "No Vote" category was you and DDL, since he has been in my waffly null category.

As for Jack, I liked his theory, it was interesting, but I ultimately disagreed with it. And I was waffly on him much of the game, but that theory DID nudge him into my townier category since the baddies prolly know who SSK is and I find it very unlikely that one of them would touch the SSk with a ten foot pole, or even start a discussion of it since it could come back to bith them in the ass.

The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.

Another reason to stop pretending this theory doesn't exist and to address it and ultimately decide it doesn't work, which is kinda what I did.

Holy mountains out of mole hills batman
Ok I’m moving on from the ‘lumping in with DDL’ thing. As I said, I misconstrued in my reread.

“The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.”

That does the opposite of townlocking him. It does exactly what he needs to do so that I can get mislynched, since the narrative that I can’t be NK’d is on the table. If enough people determine he’s full of it, (or we just…you know…kill him and he flips wolf), then mafia will have a better reason to NK me than what’s going on now

If Jack posited a theory that you were the SSK, he pushed it, and got you yeeted, and you flipped ... town, that would make him look townier, becasue the baddies might know who the SSK is. SWo if he makes a big case on you and gets you misyeeted, it gives him some cred as unlikely to be on the baddie team that could know who SSK is. Maybe "townlock" was an exaggeration.

I think we're talking different scenarios; my thought was AFTER you got yeeted it would make him look less like a baddie. You seem to be talking about before.

It would be an audacious move to even try, and jack is an audacious player. So I could see it either way.

But I don't think the very fact of him making this case makes him bad. The main issue I have with it is we're talking about the SSK rather than the baddies. I think so long as we don't role hint, and so long as we make our messages as innocuous as possible, the SSK is SOL. The more we write and the more specific it is, the more we give SSK to work with.


I plan to read back on him and read today linearly after I finish the @s.

[S~V~S]

I'm getting new @'s as I answer the old ones

[S~V~S]

There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

For this to be the case, LC must be the motion detector. Which is bonkers- I looked through his iso and see no hinting or anything of that role.

I think it actually more likely that the SK is oscillating targets with a fake role reveal. The 1st night was probably the one that said ‘SVS was the vig’ and last night was ‘LC was the motion detecter’ and they just happened to guess the right kill.

I think LC was VT. It also lines up that there are 3 ‘LC was vanilla’ messages. The SK wouldn’t use that as a cover.

Now unfortunately, the odds of the SK choosing the correct message at night is increasing and it’s almost a die roll without any investigation. We really need to find a wolf today, and the SK tomorrow

Someone posted a message night 1 saying they thought we were in Matrix 5. That to me says that the person who posted that message KNEW we were in matrix 5. That's the motion detector matrix.

Sup gang, sig freud here.
dont fret that the cop is dead. We got this! Uwu

don’t trust that SVS. I still think DDL and the Scotsman are teammates. If I had a hunch, I’d say we’re in matrix 5, not the one with the vig.
Just saying. Tootles!

That person also said they thought you were teammates with DDL and I was not trustworthy, for full openness, didn't want to cut the message.

And even though Canada does not celebrate Memorial Day the same date as the US does, he's close to the border and I bet his family food service business has a busy weekend when we have a three day holiday. So him not being very involved this weekend would be not surprising.

Yes, I remember the post, but considering that person also lumped in that DDL and I were wolf buddies, I wouldn’t give them credit for anything else peddled.

Does my surmising make sense? I don’t intend to dwell on the SK psychology, but I feel like my logic makes sense.

RE: sig- ok, well, weekend over. Where is he?

Bad instincts about other players on Day 1 doesn't make them a wolf. That sounds like an info drop to me.

And I don't understand why anyone thinks the SSK would name drop in posts. They may not even have to send in messages. The messages are for the SSK to try to figure out who sent them. Why would they have to send them in themselves? The only point would be for funsies, "Bwa ha ha I am the SSK, all kneel before me" (in before someone posts that tonight )

Or maybe everyone should post that tonight!!

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Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

[S~V~S]

Internal server error leading to fond memories...

I had a double post at some point. Jay went in and changed some settings, and it's better, but not perfect. Blame AI

I'm guessing the two will only show up to address this again when the day is 5 minutes to end. And scream at the nearest active townie to vote you.

Like zombies who suddenly get out from the ground and grab the nearest passerby.

Like you?
Like yesterday?

I think he did the same Day 1, changed to Falcon for vagueish reasons.

I thought Lilys entry was townish even if we didn't agree on you. I've felt porscha townish most of the game. But, yeah, I thought the last minute vote drive on you was weird. I get it they thought Michelle was town (and they were right) but it still was weird. I never liked that last minute train business, but I'm old and stuffy lol.

I haven't seen a suitable case on you since Lily didn't like your vote on Falcon, and that's a Roxy move all over, and NAI.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Just came out of shower where I was thinking, what if the scum trio is something like, Scotty/SVS/Jack

And the entirety of town except for me has just NOPE'd out of this game, while scum is just bidding their time now, waiting to reach parity while they waste time with me.

Scary thought. Though in that case I may as well give up lol.

[Roxy]

Just came out of shower where I was thinking, what if the scum trio is something like, Scotty/SVS/Jack

And the entirety of town except for me has just NOPE'd out of this game, while scum is just bidding their time now, waiting to reach parity while they waste time with me.

Scary thought. Though in that case I may as well give up lol.

Yeah we missed you. Your humor is all I remember it to be. <3

[TonyStarkPrime]

Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

[TonyStarkPrime]

Actually wait

[TonyStarkPrime]

Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

[TonyStarkPrime]

4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

Yeah it's pretty funny. Smart strategy. Makes it weird that it didn't happen on day 1.

There was no kill in N1

They didn’t know that before they submitted the messages