Help! Hostage Host! [WOLF WIN]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ok I’m declaring that I’m lock not-mafia and I’m also going to give everyone until I get back from the Costco liquor store to figure out why and also clear themselves before it’s too late

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

Actually wait

Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I can't deny some fine comedy.

[S~V~S]

Are we still waiting for TSP to get back from Costco?

[Lilypetal]

haiii

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

I fell asleep, Costco trip postponed until tomorrow. Meanwhile, if you made an anonymous post, now is a good time to claim it

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wolves know who the serial killer is

[TonyStarkPrime]

aha I have just read about the serial killer

[TonyStarkPrime]

Oops

[Scotty]

Are we still waiting for TSP to get back from Costco?

Just like I did with my dad when I was 4

[Scotty]

Ok I just got back from party, but will answer the other stuff later tomorrow

[Lilypetal]

anyone around

[S~V~S]

OK, I'm not voting Scotty.

Porscha, Lily and Roxy are (ironically?) all at about the same tier for me. They have all read town to me at various points, but I'm having problems putting them into a clear "No Vote" list.

Lily came into the game like a breath of fresh air, but ever since Roxys reaction post, she hasn't had any real thoughts outside of Roxy, voted for her with no discussion, or attempt to engage with anyone who might disagree with her.

I reread Porscha, and her whole personality this game seems to be not understanding why Michelle is getting sus, or defending Michelle from being lynched. That can come from truly townreading someone or from TMI. At one point she said that she found Michelle a bit townier than in Avengers, whereas I found her a bit wolfier than Avengers, where she was bad. So still on the fence here. This was her entire discussion of Roxy before wanting *frantically* to wagon her at EOD:

Spoiler: show

I haven’t dissected end of day- I must admit that I thought day ended when I last posted and left for a show thinking that was that. My time zone is now corrected.

Falcon going wasn’t a terrible pick, I guess. I don’t think I would have gone against that as a choice in the moment. We had no reason to believe him to be the effing cop. So that sucks. I’ll look into people’s reasons later.

Still don’t like Roxy’s vanity vote at the time. I’m not inclined to think [VOTE: jack] aubergine is a bad one to start on today

scotty do you know exactly what the vc was when roxy made that vote btw? I was thinking about that too

Yes. This was the vote right before she voted.

Vote totals
2-2-2

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
2
22%
Voters: Long Con, Scotty
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
22%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
22%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Michelle
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

The thing is, she so nakedly placed a vanity vote that even the habitants of Mars knew what she was doing. Is that too wolfy to be wolfy? This sequence in particular was a quandary:

Bleh. Jack is saying things that I agree with as I finish my reread.

I need fresh eyes. I’m working on being better at D1 reads. Looking for someone that is making sense but also a bit too hedgy and friendly. Like as if I were DDL’s friend (who was supposed to view this thread) and just started reading people for the first time.

DDL would be an appropriate, like, silly serial killer. Doing enough to make original points but also not sticking his neck out. Even though he’s been my top town.

Dunno, feeling cute I guess

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Scotty, what is you doing

Funny I found the opposite inre: Jack. He is saying more words but are the adding to the game? idk and Jack's vibe and tone are a bit off for me.

lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

I do not feel one way or the other about Luffy. Yet.

Why are you considering voting Jack?

Oops we did cross post, my bad. I missed this completely

Ok, so I’m not being the town leader by design. I’m just…posting. Which de facto makes me town leader because contributions across the board are minimal. It’s whatever.

Or is it? What is your stance on me then?

Agreed about your Town Leader status.

I have no stance on you as it is only D 1, that's just how I work.

Your vibe and tone feel ok thus far - how about that?

vote falcon

He is vibing wrong for me. Vanity vote yep.

Not feeling sig or Michelle.
Could have went with Jack but my gut says falcon.

-Jack “feels off” and actually disagrees when I start coming around on him
-asks me why I’m voting for Jack
-agrees?? About my town leader status. Don’t know what she agrees with, but vibe feels ok
-vanity wagon, even though she could have made a difference with a vote on Jack, who a few posts ago she felt off about
-peaces out

Now this was a conscious decision. If she were bad, she’s protecting Jack. So why not just lump it on Michelle or sig? It’s a pretty lame way of defending him.




This makes no sense play wise to me if she is wolf. Though it also doesn’t make sense play wise to me if she is town.

Maybe she’s just the SK lolol

I have the same opinion that lily had which was that roxy's play made very little sense, though it stayed true to her normal sense of play in that she does what she wants, it seemed like a super good way to protect a possible wolf at end of day or direct the kill elsewhere

She waffled a bit, "I don't get it, but it's normal for her, but it could also be bad" is the jist of this.

Then she replied to Roxys "WTF" reaction post. Her next Rox related post was 5 minutes before EOD when she tried to wagon onto her. TBF none of this looks any townier than Roxys vote on Falcon (which while not "towny" was NAI for Roxy, imo. It would have been townier if she had voted for me lol, but not especially wolfy in any case).

As for Roxy, as I said, her Falcon vote was NAI, her "Ewww Gross" reaction was as well, IMO. Since then, she's joined in discussion, but I haven't seen reads and I'd like to before I make a solid read there. Roxys reads can tell me alot about her.

This post felt towny Rox to me, she seems more outraged, less faux. Roxys faux outrage generally seems a bit more drama to me.

Spoiler: show

Wtaf? I'm not sure if there is any reason I would find acceptable for those that followed *MY* D1 vanity vote.

It's bs. Straight up.

@Lilypetal if you find me bad *again* by all means go for it. But we both know you are wrong.
It's so easy to come in after the vote in which you never voted or posted. Judge me by a normal d 1 occurrence that I have done literally 1000's of times.

Yah you have my full attention especially since there was zero reasons given. lol

lol help? why is this such a strong backlash to the person who called you out on something that doesnt make you look towny (regardless of whether you are or not, you have to admit it doesn't make you look *good*) and then also deflecting onto the people who followed you lol

hey, you guys wouldn't follow me off a cliff would you??? that makes YOU the bozos! not me, who went off the cliff first, of course xd

You have completely ...I just can't. Firstly - Calling anyone bozos is wrong.
You implying it is something I said makes me feel like I just got slimed.

Talk about who is having a strong reaction and it isn't me. lol

But yes this vote is ai for me. You've seen me make similar votes many times as both town and bad.
I feel it is OK for me to find and point out what I find suspicious just fine for *my* game.

look forward to any responses to me !

I do however like what you were saying about the vote on Michelle. To tbh that is where I world have probably voted.

I need to see these three develop. As siad before, I don't particularly suspect them, but I don't find much towny past initial impressions.

I don't like voting low posters in general when there are suspicions to be had, and I tend to find others who do sus. Based on meta, I think sig would be much more active if he were bad, I just do. But that's gut, not concrete. TSP has started talking, and in general I'll never vote to yeet him for inactivity.

This leaves me with Jack and DDL.

I haven't understood DDL all game, he's constantly shifting stances, when anyone points out an inconsistency to him, he has a plausible reply at the ready. It's hard to pin down an opinion from him. Slick, or willing to consider all sides? Hard to tell.

He has some thoughts that almost seem to come from a place of TMI, then he has a plausible sounding explanation for them.

My thoughts on Jack are more complex; I reread him, and the impression I had of him was not quite what I had recalled. He had more varied opinions than I had thought, and was more varied. I want to reread him again today. The main impression I had of him before rereading was the Scotty = SK theory, which while I don't agree with it, I do think even making it made him look townier. If I were bad, and the baddies DO actually know who the SSK is, I would not be making any SSK cases unless I was pretty sure I could get them chopped, and chopping Scotty would be a hard sell.

Like Day One, I'll have to vote around an hour before EOD at the latest cause commuting. I'll be able to follow but likely won't be posting much.

[S~V~S]

P.S. And that's where I waffle on Jack; if he knows who SSK is, and makes a case on NOT SSK, he looks better if he manages to get the case flipped. Whenever i read one of my own posts about Jacks theory, I see the flaws in my own opinion of it, which is why he's in this category, not up top with Scotty.

I could totally see this both ways. When I read him, I see he said he's having computer issues. I hope he gets that sorted. I personally don't think he's the sort to hide behind made up excuses, and since he's taking votes I hope he is able to get back (although I am sure DDL will move his, lol).

[Lilypetal]

I mean tbh I haven't played much but to say my focus has only been roxy is a little weird. I just think I haven't focused much on anything and Roxy looks like scum so my vote is there.

My eod2 was trying to save a villager and work with a villager to save herself, for example.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

for eod2

also didnt like the explanation post sod3

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm back babay!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Back and better than ever. This new laptop is a tank and a Warhammer machine

[Jackofhearts2005]

This votecount is garbo but since I'm back, ya'll can jump out from behind the couches, yell surprise and we can start this party for real.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Are we still waiting for TSP to get back from Costco?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Another possibility is that the SK and the mafia double shot LC.

Yeah, that’s why I say probably. But I dunno, that’s highly random. If you could correctly pick one of those messages from the night before and link it to LC, then glory be.

Also, based on the fact that LC didn’t seem to understand the message mech, I doubt he submitted one N1. So he had to be exactly the motion detector. But that’s also absolutely random. I think it more likely he was just VT

Which actually just gave me a thought- what is the penalty for not submitting a quote? Because if there ISNT a penalty, VTs can just..not submit and the SK can’t kill them. Unless I’m reading something wrong.

New touchpad is bigger than the last one so I keep accidentally "clicking" into the middle of posts while typing. I will adjust.

I think there's exactly one post that was kinda obvious who it came from and I think it came from LC. I think LC not knowing how the mech worked meant he made an obvious post, not that he made no post at all. In fact, I think LC's post last night is even more obvious.

That said, I think that we're in the world where there is a motion detector and neighborizor, not the world with the jk and the vigilante cause the vigilante still hasn't been shot.

That said, I don't think both the mafia and sk hitting LC (very likely) would cause two "LC is dead" messages. I think there's one real flip, two mafia lies and LC being like "I died and I was the glue that held us all together lololol."

[Jackofhearts2005]

(I no longer think it particularly matters me pointing out LC's message from Wilgy on account of 1 - its just one post and 2 - the silly serial killer probably used it to shoot LC anyway so I'm not telling them anything they don't already know. I'm under the impression that the "I'm Sig Freud" post from N1 was also from LC but I could be wrong. If I'm wrong, telling the serial killer this doesn't eliminate any possibilities for nk because LC is already dead.)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Did ya'll know new windows wants 4 digit pins instead of actual passwords to unlock your computer? Weird. I've had the same "unlock my computer" password for over 10 years and it feels so wrong to type anything else to unlock this thing

[Jackofhearts2005]

that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

I spy an agenda for you:

Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Talk about a full smear campaign to discredit the witness, your honor.

1. This entire conspiracy theory is predicated on the theory that mafia attempted to kill me N1 and thus I must be the SK. This entire premise was then validated by SVS and DDL. Regardless of their affiliation, it boils down to a full conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing. It’s as if the acknowledgement of myself and others that a JK exists isn’t as sexy as a full page taken out in the Daily Enquirer talking about how I eat children for breakfast.

I don’t, by the way; they’re more of a midafternoon snack. But I digress.

No, he’s setting my up with enough doubt that once we get down to…oh…maybe now in numbers, or if we had already caught a mafia, the real push can happen. Because no one else seems to suspect Jack, and he’s down to “shrugyeet” me if there aren’t any better options.


2. Talk to me more about how you maybe tried to kill me and now have to find ways to make me dead. It could even be that you fully believe I AM the silly SK. But, again, the JK theory is less likely because… ???

3. Talk about some hubris. Yes, I once again seem to the be only one that is gunning for you. Does that really make it look better for me if you get misyeeted? If there’s anyone in this game that is trying to affix a label of town leader, it’s you. I’m in no way trying to be a leader, but I’m feeling more and more inclined that I am just right about you. And if I’m wrong, that’s….not a good look for me lol

I'm not reading your colored whatever at the bottom.

Jack has the agenda to find the serial killer, a role that prevents claiming, can kill townies and must leave the game for town to win. Heavens to betsy there's no way town Jack would have an agenda like that.

Actually, wait, I am reading it cause it could matter for you.

1) The theory isn't based on nothing. It's based on me, Porscha and YOU all saying you should have been the N1 kill and then SVS and DDL (I'm just taking your word for it there, I don't remember this happening) agreeing and then you limply pushing me all game. It's a decent theory based on a lot of evidence, even if its wrong.

2) I'm not wolfagenday pushing you. I haven't once said "we should yeet Scotty." I haven't once voted for you. I asked the host a question and came to the conclusion that we DON'T necessarily have to yeet the role I think you are.

3) I'm not discrediting you. I've flat said that the sk can help find the wolves (though mostly on accident or out of habit because the sk isn't motivated to find wolves or not find wolves). Even if I'm 100% right that you're the serial killer, that doesn't make anything you say a lie. I've not said we should ignore you. It's not my fault you discredit yourself by only pushing me in a way that is easy to ignore. If you're town, you could easily fix that by like...doing anything else.

Like...nothing here convinces me I'm wrong or makes me want to change strategy wrt your slot and nothing in here ought to make anyone else change their opinion about my alignment, either.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scotty , wasn't Nook a Jailkeeper in our game?

Yes. He had the ability that could bring someone into chat during the day and decide whether or not to JK them in the ensuing night

Dope role idea, js. I dig variants of standard roles.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, was that you DDL that kept getting into an argument about whether or not i said Michelle was waffling on that one post?

Because in my reread i would have asked to shut that down if I were around. I could really sense Michelle’s frustration with that one

I saw that but I mostly ignored it because it felt like Michelle kinda shrugged it off in the end, which felt more like wMichelle. Also, I might have read that after day end and been unable to reply anyway but still.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Based on EoD stuff, and previous:

I think Roxy is still good. I think Porscha is (probably?) good. The exasperation at end of day to get off both Lily and Michelle could be a play where Porscha knows both are town with TMI, but I feel like it might just be a towny motion

Why is Roxy still good? Like you explain the Porscha thing and I get that but where's the Roxy notes?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Thrilling stuff yall, keep it up

It doesn't matter a whole lot yet (especially if the sker got one of the two kills needed in LC) and it's not outside of Scotty's scum abilities to do this but I do think Scotty like 12 posting by himself looks more townie than sk (or wolfy).

[Jackofhearts2005]

I forgot sig was still playing this game. He didn’t post at all on D2.

Oof.

[Jackofhearts2005]

OK, first this.

Spoiler: show

Some slowpokes are believing the post that says you are a dead vig.

Not sure if slowpokes or fake dumb tells tho.

I would be the corpse if she is a vig, what are you talking about?

Read the posts, please. A bunch of people didn't understand the host post.

Also dramatic much? Why are you so sure a vig Svs would have taken you down?

Because she said so?

He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

Spoiler: show

They are both things that passed through my mind at Eod. What's there to dig?

I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Yeah I think DDL is misconstruing my takeaway

I’m actively playing a behavioral psychologist to determine motivations for your reasoning and while I can see how you could be using multiple reasoning, I can also see how your meaning could also be better described as ‘I was self pressing AND of the people that I could have voted for, falcon was the one I found less settling’

I don’t know that I even suspect Michelle based on this


But I do see SVS and DDL do find it suspicious which I am noting

Dude, you made that post like an hour after I left, I haven't posted since before you made it. Like I said, I don't find self pres AI, and when I self pres I try to find a rationale for it so as not to feel like a jerk, so I'm not calling people out for the same thing.

So you can un-note me agreeing with it. I do think I agreed with something else you said, but it was about me

You went into some esoteric point that DDL misconstrued nefariously to your POV, and then lumped me in with him as doing the same, and I wasn't even in the thread at the time. I did not agree with his take away since I never saw it. I had my own reason for sussing Michelle, which I said more than once.

I replied to you about this, ^^^ but you never replied back. Now you're saying I have a history of agreeing with DDL about smalll nuances someone else (who happens to be you) made. And I don't.

Scotty, You keep saying I validated or agreed with things I didn’t. Yuck.

You said earlier I agreed with something DDL said when I didn’t.

I’m on phone at a BBQ right now so I’ll pull the posts later, but I wish you would stop bundling me with DDL like this.

Now imma go eat some corn.

Mm, this is based on my reread yesterday in the night, so I reread it again:

Spoiler: show

One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

On one level, it makes sense. No one is gonna yeet Scotty this game.

But on the other level, the best survival scenario for SK is being towny enough not to get yeeted but not so towny they get NKed.

So I would ask; Has Scotty had any very strong opinions? He tends to really focus on his suspects. I'm not sure I'm seeing that, though. He didn't seem to have a very strong single suspect. A few hours before he actually voted for you, he made this post with the "Maybe Jack" kinda vibe, and he only made one post inbetween. If you search his posts for "Jack" its kinda meh.

Spoiler: show

They're not reads, they are who I would and wouldn't vote.
If i wanted to vote you, i would, but I think Sig is more probably to flip mafia.

I’m trying so hard not to use meta this game, but on the flip side…

I find that the scummier sig is, the townier he is lol

While I can understand the suspicion on him, I also know he is like the easiest mid-elim fodder on D1. Especially for wolves to latch onto.

Not to say I think you’re a wolf, but I don’t see him as being incredibly fruitful of a choice today if he were to flip good.

hahahahahahahah - It's good to be right Meta will always make its way into everyone's game one way or the other.


Also we were cross posting right now yet you completely ignored me

why?

lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

You right, I think I construed ‘this is possible’ with ‘I agree’, when it’s pretty clear you’re pushing back to this theory. My bad.

Although, the bit in this post that stands out to me now is your conclusion: ‘Jack, you making this post and being this obvious is too obvious, therefore I bump you up’

Why?

Did you also see this, Scotty?

@Jackofhearts2005 Yeah, I know that, I talked myself in and out of it with that post

But like I said, Scotty knows how to fade back and he didn't even try here. So I'm more inclined to think he's just town, and we move on and see what happens.

But agreed, it's an interesting discussion but it isn't really getting us anywhere on Day 2.

I thought it was an interesting theory, so i engaged with it. Which is kinda how we play this game. Ultimately, I disagreed with it, based on being your teammate in Lasso. You know how to be a strong presence without being the lead player, and you didn't even try to do that here. You went from zero to sixty in patented towny Scotty behavior.

The way we play this game is theorize that other players are bad roles, and we discuss it. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're not (sorry MichellE ). This is what I did, and decided I didn't believe it. You're acting as if it is some kind of personal betrayal. I "bumped him up" becasue I have no fucking idea who you are, and I didn't know that engaging with it was some kind of crime.

Then you keep trying to lump me in with DDL.

I initially thought Michelle and DDl were the bad team. Then when he got into it with Porscha about Michelle EOD, I unpaired them. I figured he was temp voting her then he would switch at EOD like he did Day 1 (and he did), but that discussion kind of unpaired them to me, then Michelle flipped town. So that leaves me with I'm not understanding why DDL has such strong opinions, yet is unable to commit to a vote.

So I'm not really sure where i stand on DDL, I don't agree with much of what he says, and tbh, I don't understand why he's saying it. Early my day 1 "No Vote" category was you and DDL, since he has been in my waffly null category.

As for Jack, I liked his theory, it was interesting, but I ultimately disagreed with it. And I was waffly on him much of the game, but that theory DID nudge him into my townier category since the baddies prolly know who SSK is and I find it very unlikely that one of them would touch the SSk with a ten foot pole, or even start a discussion of it since it could come back to bith them in the ass.

The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.

Another reason to stop pretending this theory doesn't exist and to address it and ultimately decide it doesn't work, which is kinda what I did.

This bleeds town. You can quote me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I accidentally voted the mod option on the poll rather than the see vote option. Sorry about that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't think I've had strong opinions in any mafia game for at least half a decade.

Hardy har har

[Jackofhearts2005]

There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

For this to be the case, LC must be the motion detector. Which is bonkers- I looked through his iso and see no hinting or anything of that role.

I think it actually more likely that the SK is oscillating targets with a fake role reveal. The 1st night was probably the one that said ‘SVS was the vig’ and last night was ‘LC was the motion detecter’ and they just happened to guess the right kill.

I think LC was VT. It also lines up that there are 3 ‘LC was vanilla’ messages. The SK wouldn’t use that as a cover.

Now unfortunately, the odds of the SK choosing the correct message at night is increasing and it’s almost a die roll without any investigation. We really need to find a wolf today, and the SK tomorrow

You are complicating things.

The motion detector post may as well be fake. Mafia just needs to make a few contradicting posts to muddle the waters.

And why does he have to hint to have a PR? I don't think I would have hinted at all myself, considering we have a soup killer in the game.

Plus, there's a decent chance motion detector just doesn't detect any motion or know what to do with the motion he did detect. But I'm not particularly interested in determining if LC was the MD or not until such time as someone claims MD or a role from a point on the matrix that would require LC to not be the MD for it to exist.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Host confirmation would be nice, but reading the OP, I got a strong impression that if the SSK kills two people, the game goes on. Yhe reason for it is the usage of "removed" instead of "eliminated" in town's wincon.

Host refused to confirm when I asked but I came to the same conclusion fwiw

[Jackofhearts2005]

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

Agreed his disappearance is NAI. It was memorial day weekend after all.

Why does Sig look townie for D1?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause at this point, it's POE wolves in a box cause nothing (aside from Scotty as the sk) stands out as like obviously wolfy. Like if I was gonna case someone as a wolf at this moment without being allowed to go back and read, the best I got is like

"Tony has done very little. The very little he has done is to say that I am in my town meta and then to vote me anyway."

And that is incredibly weak. To the point where I'm saying it as an example of how little anyone is sticking out as especially wolfy rather than saying it to push Tony because I believe it makes him scum.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Spoiler: show

There's a post cap isn't there? I should stop doing this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack's wife last night: You know you can't play Warhammer while you're at work tomorrow, right.

Jack last night: Totally

Jack this morning: I'll play mafia at work instead rollsafe.jpg

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack's customers: Jack, we need your deliverables.

Jack: Sorry I'm so behind. I am very busy. *continues playing mafia*

[Jackofhearts2005]

So excluiding the people I don't wanna yeet, that leaves me Jack, Roxy, Lily and TSP.

Without ISOing anyone, cuz who the hell has time for that is these days.

Roxy Ive felt okay-ish for most of the game, though I see Porscha and Lily saw a wolf last night. I didn't really get their points. Maybe I should actually reread this later when I can. For now I'd love a summary on why Roxy should die.

Lily is a big meh. Yeah sure she isn't bad with Roxy. Still meh. Could easily just be hopping aling Porscha.

Jack has said interesting things, but I think it's mostly mech? Abd SK hunting. I seriously disagree with whoever said mafia wouldn't hunt the SK. If you think they wouldn't, WIFOM says they could. And it's a good way to not hunt mafia instead.

TSP came very shortly, made a dozen posts. None looked great, none looked terrible. Hes one of those players I'm even worse at reading than usual. But hey, I signed up to this game to try so...

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Chance of being right is the same I'd have if I picked at random plus 1%. Or minus 1%. But I'm curious on what people think about TSP and I woke up in a low poster killing mood tofay.

Hey now. I've done lots of wolf hunting. It just happens to be directed at dead townies.

My own similarly formed POE would probably include Sig instead of me but sure.

And actually, Lily has worse things about them than Tony. Cause as much as I didn't get the reason people pushed Lily D2, her responses to said pushes were pretty bad. And I'm not sure why Porscha was so damn insistent that Lily was town in those moments. While I agree with Scotty that it looked like a genuine is to get the votes off Lily and Michelle, there's a fair chance that Lily is a wolf and Porscha is just genuinely trying to not let her partner get yeeted.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd appreciate @Scotty @Dragon D. Luffy @S~V~S 's takes on Lily's D2, particularly wrt her reaction to the votes on her. I found it wolfy but I need a second opinion because nobody else seems to think so and I wanna know why I'm wrong or for ya'll to stop ignoring that take.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

Could be nothing but check out this vote progression in just the first 2 pages:

Actually just thought of something.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Will remove the vote if he makes sufficient progress in his Trails playthrough at discord.

I was gonna say finish Chapter 3, but that's a bit too much for 48h, so let's say the requirement is to arrive at Elmo Village. Should be easy enough.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine same reason this is a crazy coincidence

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

He hasn’t posted enough in several years. Wolfy af.

What is Trails, and Elmo Village?

N[o]

Hi yall,
Are we allowed to claim in this game?

Probably not a great idea, this sounds a bit like a Serial Soup Killer.

- Silly Serial Kill - At night, you may select a player and choose either a role OR one of the messages provided in the previous end of night post. IF that player is correctly chosen as that non-vanilla role OR the submitter of said message they will be night killed. This night kill will be strongmaned and may not be prevented.

It’s an anime video game about boobs. DDL is big into it.

Understatement of the year tbh. It's the best thing I've played in years.

And your Bestelle avatar is perfect (though you're stealing my idea) so imma remove the vote for now.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I used to have fun bickering with him. Let's see if we can do this again.

Well then I’m surprised we even see him at all.

(that's a joke, it's not about boobs)

So I know it’s the first vote, and often these are arbitrary. But I know that I have in my mafia career voted for my partner early only to change it, just so i could say I voted them at some point. It’s perhaps a basic strategy, but also DDL hasn’t played in 3 years. (I also realize I’m pre-pairing jack with DDL which is a bit too tunnely)

Compound that with the general feeling that DDL has been actively avoiding talking about jack in relation to his alignment most the game, aside from ‘I can get behind Jack’s Scotty = SK theory’, and I just think those might just be the 2 mafia. Top 5 posters. Driving the votes.

DDL has been integral on all of the mislynches thus far, and he has an ‘oh shucks, sorry guys’ attitude about it.

Day 1: jumped on Roxy’s falcon vote intending to start another wagon because he wasn’t feeling the Michelle/sig. he did indeed set off that wagon, AND it seemed to mostly only make Roxy look bad. if all 3 of those are town, wolf DDL sets up the other 3 as future mislynches.
Day 2: oscillating at eod on Lily and Michelle. I don’t think he really cares either way how it ended, but wanted to feign that he had to really pick between them. Probably a good look for Lily, even clears her if DDL flips bad imo.

I’m feeling confident

I'm sorry but this is just so limp. Like the actual reasons for pushing on DDL are arguably valid but they in no way add up to "I'm feeling confident" wrt DDL actually being a wolf.

Idk what to do with this besides file it under more evidence of Scotty being the serial killer, which I'd really really love to stop talking about.

[Jackofhearts2005]

In other news, here’s my current read list:

Town
-TSP
-Roxy

Lean town (barely)
-Porscha
-Lily

Lean scum:
-sig
-SVS

Scumread:
-Jack
-DDL

Talk to me about everyone but me and DDL. Cause idk why you have a lot of these reads.

[Jackofhearts2005]

4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

Yeah it's pretty funny. Smart strategy. Makes it weird that it didn't happen on day 1.

Weirdly enough, we got two "no one has died" messages N1.

[Lilypetal]

This votecount is garbo but since I'm back, ya'll can jump out from behind the couches, yell surprise and we can start this party for real.

hello

[S~V~S]

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

So … why do we bother with days 2, 3 and 4 if we slap a towny label on someone day one and call it good forever more?

Like I said this AM, I don’t particularly think sig is bad, but as no new opinions feed into the hopper, anyone starts to look like a question mark.

I ran into this post reading, I see I have a crapton on @s, I’ll try to get to them at lunch. I had a lunch meeting yesterday but should have time today.

[Lilypetal]

I'd appreciate @Scotty @Dragon D. Luffy @S~V~S 's takes on Lily's D2, particularly wrt her reaction to the votes on her. I found it wolfy but I need a second opinion because nobody else seems to think so and I wanna know why I'm wrong or for ya'll to stop ignoring that take.

You mean my..lack of reaction?

I don't think I reacted to a vote other than Michelle's, which I didn't realize until she said she wolfread me 5 mins till eod

Try again maybe

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd appreciate @Scotty @Dragon D. Luffy @S~V~S 's takes on Lily's D2, particularly wrt her reaction to the votes on her. I found it wolfy but I need a second opinion because nobody else seems to think so and I wanna know why I'm wrong or for ya'll to stop ignoring that take.

You mean my..lack of reaction?

I don't think I reacted to a vote other than Michelle's, which I didn't realize until she said she wolfread me 5 mins till eod

Try again maybe

Ya know, on reread, knowing it is like 3 min before EOD...yeah, it's actually not bad.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wtf lol

Forcing me to self pres is so fucking lame why would you do that

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Self pres

Could've been avoided easily if any of u are villagers

Like, I read this chain of posts and stiff and frozen, not reacting to what is actually being said about her and letting several posts go by and then just being like "I have to do this cause self pres this sucks" again instead of actually talking about why ppl are voting her or about who should really be voted instead looked bad.

But it all happening in 3 min reads a lot less "frozen" because there's not actually a big chunk of time where Lily isn't saying stuff and it makes sense to not be able to address reasons and put forth cases when there's only a few min left.