[WOLF WIN] Bread Mafia 2024

[Epignosis]

My other potential vote would be Motobot which is too boring for me to make right now. The "before anyone asks" felt a little bit self conscious but he could very easily go either way.

It's how he talks, for what it's worth. Total people pleaser.

[Epignosis]

I think the better point in your favor right now may be that I don't know who your teammate is. The entire game minus motobot is already comfortable killing you. If he's not exactly your teammate, that's a problem for Thunal suspicion.

Can you elaborate on this. Not sure I quite understand.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Roxy hit the Epi=Town conclusion before you did. Argued with you when you were poking at him. What do you think of her? Looks like she's after Thunal... I don't know if Thunal's flippantness is relaxed Towny or what, but I don't feel Wolfness from it at least.

Roxy calling Epi's sleep vote "towny" was dubious, but I think she looked authentic in her comments about Thunal. The arrow points up, albeit with little real confidence.

Thunal may be the closest I get to a "suspect" right now. That's really stretching the word. But she hasn't engaged the solving process much beyond comments about Epignosis that may no longer be relevant. "I need more"

Saying I called his "sleep" vote town is what is dubious.

You said-

Your willingness to arrive, tell a story, and place a facetious vote for Sleep without interacting with the existing material left me wanting.

Then I said-

It left me a town-ish vibe....

So not just the vote - arrive + story + vote for sleep = Town-ish vibe----Not Towny. Just wanted to clarify so maybe in the future you'll be able to read me better.
Glad you thought it authentic (meaning what exactly?) as I was giving as I go vibe/tone feels.

I am iffy on this one. While I can appreciate Roxy's desire to clarify, I have some gentle concerns.

The cyan bits seem to first cast shade upon me and then placate me, and it's awkward.

Then emphasizing the difference between "towny" and "town-ish vibe" is a bit much.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the better point in your favor right now may be that I don't know who your teammate is. The entire game minus motobot is already comfortable killing you. If he's not exactly your teammate, that's a problem for Thunal suspicion.

Can you elaborate on this. Not sure I quite understand.

As of that post, to my memory, the only two players alive who hadn't either voiced suspicion of Thunal or voted for Thunal were S~V~S and motobot (two players Thunal was eager to cast suspicion upon herself).

So if Thunal is mafia, I don't have a clear impression of her teammate. Anyone can "create distance", but the attitude of the thread fell very easily (and perhaps lazily) into a shrugging chorus of agreement that "sure, Thunal is suspicious". That may indicate that she has no partner. The best fit available to my eyes is motobot. But that means nothing unless motobot is mafia. The odds oppose that exact team.

[Epignosis]

Okay Jay's list looks very similar to mine right now so if he's mafia I'd be very off base and I have enough ego to not think I am.

When did your opinion on me "get there?"

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

Talk about me and Jay. We are narcissists.

Jay is the only person I've really talked about. As for you, my jealous question was not just a joke because I was wondering if you were mafia upset that a town core was forming quickly and I got correctly read town off so little.

So JJJ is cemented as a civilian for you. He's the author of this town core, right? On page 2 of Day 1 when 3 people haven't shown up?

No, I'm saying that if he's town I have that thought. If he's not town it doesn't apply but if he is I thought you might object as mafia if he correctly read two townies at the start of the game.

[Epignosis]

Gotta get back to work. Should be back in a little while.

[Epignosis]

Maybe a good way for us to take the game by the horns and force it to behave in a way that is solvable is to coax a full reads list out of everyone who is willing to provide one.

Even if it isn't fully developed or confident (mine certainly isn't), it's a starting point.

Please do me that favor, friends. I would appreciate it. I don't need explanations unless you want to provide them. Just some kind of ordering is good.

Gotta finish work. But I can get there tonight.

[Long Con]

I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Um, I'm fairly sure everyone but Jay has been bread bunning. And "dumping thoughts when no ones around"?? Wow. Sorry I get up at 4:30 for work.

Do you think this take on you is scummy for Long Con?

No, not scummy, but maybe unfair. It surprised me that he said that, but I think it sounds pissy rather than scummy if that makes sense.

I didn't mean for it to be pissy. Contextually, it's a response to JJJ praising you because saying things is the way to move the game forward. I was just saying it's better to move the game forward when multiple people are in the thread, some real-time interaction, and you used that time exclusively for bread puns. I know there was plenty of other players doing fluff, but I was in a conversation about you...

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

...and, I don't think I am one of those players. I fluffed a couple of posts right when I arrived, but most of my posts have been on-topic. I think I'm one of the least off-topic players so far.

[Epignosis]

PA: I don't understand why this person is voting for motobot.

Would vote.

[Epignosis]

falcon45ca: I'm hesitant.

I don't think I have a good handle on falcon's game.

Would vote, but not today.

[Epignosis]

JaggedJimmyJay: Nah

For once in my life I'd like the two of us to work together and not get up each others' bread baskets.

Gonna take that chance.

[Epignosis]

Long Con: I'd have to read back through, sorry.

[Epignosis]

motobot: Would vote.

Get cracking, crackling cracker boy.

[Thunal33]

Okay Jay's list looks very similar to mine right now so if he's mafia I'd be very off base and I have enough ego to not think I am.

When did your opinion on me "get there?"

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

Talk about me and Jay. We are narcissists.

Jay is the only person I've really talked about. As for you, my jealous question was not just a joke because I was wondering if you were mafia upset that a town core was forming quickly and I got correctly read town off so little.

So JJJ is cemented as a civilian for you. He's the author of this town core, right? On page 2 of Day 1 when 3 people haven't shown up?

No, I'm saying that if he's town I have that thought. If he's not town it doesn't apply but if he is I thought you might object as mafia if he correctly read two townies at the start of the game.

I don't think you're top town like Jay did, but I started having a weak townlean by the end of your exchange with me about the idea of a towncore. It made me think that you didn't believe it was true since you refuted it so easily and firmly. I thought your reason to suspect me about being scared to be in the thread was good because it was right. I'm town but I did feel more nervous starting to post than I remembered and idk why. Maybe because it's the first time I've played since d1 here in almost a year.

[Epignosis]

Roxy: Would not vote today. I think I see a hint of civilian there.

As I said:

I have played with Roxy for over a decade. She still tricks me. At this juncture, from what I have read, I don't think Roxy is mafia.

[Epignosis]

S~V~S: Unsure.

[Epignosis]

Thunal33: Top suspect

[Long Con]

I'll get a reads list like Epi just did, but right now I'm in my workshop

[Thunal33]

I'm oscillating between needing to be tryhard and really show my towniness because I'm going to be voted d1 and not actually believing I'm going to be voted d1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm oscillating between needing to be tryhard and really show my towniness because I'm going to be voted d1 and not actually believing I'm going to be voted d1.

Treat it like your doom is impending and you have nothing to lose, please.

[Thunal33]

To be clear I'm going to tryhard at some point the question is just whether I should do it now even though I'm exhausted because Epi's here and I think he's town so I want to get his vote off me.

I'll at least make a read list.

[Epignosis]

I'm oscillating between needing to be tryhard and really show my towniness because I'm going to be voted d1 and not actually believing I'm going to be voted d1.

Instead, don't do either.

Who should die today? It's as simple as that for me. What's the case on S~V~S? That's where your vote is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads appreciated @Epignosis

[Epignosis]

I'm exhausted because Epi's here

[Thunal33]

Town (this isn't really ordered since I don't feel confident enough to make anyone my "top town"):
Roxy - suspicion on me is exactly the ping I think she would have from how I remember she reads me, and I unconfidently think the clarifying post is a good look because of the "how to read me in the future" part.
Long Con - Has felt attentive with his observations and like he cares about hunting, tone feels like town him
Falcon - immediately going after both JJJ and me is towny since we'll probably be taking up a lot of the thread space. Also a whole lot of people townread his entrance and I think that somewhat looks good for him.

Townlean:
Epi - feels like he cares about solving, confident response to my prod about the towncore early d1 was good, but I'm a little hesitant that he apparently had me as his biggest suspect earlier and didn't talk about it.
JJJ - had some concerns with mostly him having mild sus on me but now that I've seen more of his reads they both make sense and roughly line up with mine so he's probably town.

PoE:
motobot - not much game related content and although Epi says that's how he talks the post about not having reads still mildly pinged me.
SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

[Thunal33]

I'm exhausted because Epi's here

You just need to stop posting so much it's exhausting me ofc.

[Thunal33]

Oh wait I forgot Abi lol. She's in townleans because her calling JJJ PoE and being very off the cuff is what I associate with town her but she hasn't done any concrete town pings.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

On civilian vs. not civilian scale (disregarding degrees), Thunal and Epi seem aligned on most players with these exceptions:

Abigail
Each other
Long Con (sort of, pending an Epi update)

Not doing anything with this at the moment, just making a note. Keep the reads coming, friends. I might be able to build a broader game theory from that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

[Long Con]

Epignosis town read, I haven't seen anything from him that pings me
JaggedJimmyJay town read, same as Epi. Sometimes it feels like being JJJ is the easiest townread in any game... but he just has to work hard for it.
falcon45ca I was kind of surprised to see falcon so high on my list, but in comparison to the ones below I still apparently like him, so we'll call that a townlean
Roxy Same level as falcon, ennnh, but as I write this, I would put her a shade higher on the list than falcon because I had a small mindmeld
Thunal33 I was more willing to yeet Thunal 12 hours ago, but she struck me as Towny more recently
☆Princess Abigail☆ No real Towny vibes yet. POE
motobot Same, nothing yet that sets him apart. POE
S~V~S Some issues with her stuff, as noted in previous posts. [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

[Long Con]

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

LOL you pre-empter!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks, Long Con.

I could be coaxed southward with Abigail. My read is pretty [whatever] in confidence level.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To Thunal's credit, she has left herself a narrow world to play in (by calling everyone other than S~V~S and motobot town). That is also in alignment with Epi, Long Con, and I at least to some degree, and she made that posture explicit before any of the three of us did. She can't really be accused of relying on the consensus of others to hide behind a small suspect pool, because she invented it. I'm not sure I'm on board with voting Thunal today.

[Long Con]

Thanks, Long Con.

I could be coaxed southward with Abigail. My read is pretty [whatever] in confidence level.

Some leeway for getting here last. She usually provides enough content to form a read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

An immediate POE pool of [Abigail, S~V~S, and motobot] is agreeable to me, and there's mathematical room for one more. Perhaps still Thunal in case I'm a dope.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm just gonna clear Long Con and hope I'm not getting sig'd again.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

PA: I don't understand why this person is voting for motobot.

Would vote.

So vote me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

motobot: Would vote.

Get cracking, crackling cracker boy.

Uh...huh

Vote: Epi

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Town (this isn't really ordered since I don't feel confident enough to make anyone my "top town"):
Roxy - suspicion on me is exactly the ping I think she would have from how I remember she reads me, and I unconfidently think the clarifying post is a good look because of the "how to read me in the future" part.
Long Con - Has felt attentive with his observations and like he cares about hunting, tone feels like town him
Falcon - immediately going after both JJJ and me is towny since we'll probably be taking up a lot of the thread space. Also a whole lot of people townread his entrance and I think that somewhat looks good for him.

Townlean:
Epi - feels like he cares about solving, confident response to my prod about the towncore early d1 was good, but I'm a little hesitant that he apparently had me as his biggest suspect earlier and didn't talk about it.
JJJ - had some concerns with mostly him having mild sus on me but now that I've seen more of his reads they both make sense and roughly line up with mine so he's probably town.

PoE:
motobot - not much game related content and although Epi says that's how he talks the post about not having reads still mildly pinged me.
SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

Do I not exist?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Oh wait I forgot Abi lol. She's in townleans because her calling JJJ PoE and being very off the cuff is what I associate with town her but she hasn't done any concrete town pings.

Oh I do exist

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Epignosis town read, I haven't seen anything from him that pings me
JaggedJimmyJay town read, same as Epi. Sometimes it feels like being JJJ is the easiest townread in any game... but he just has to work hard for it.
falcon45ca I was kind of surprised to see falcon so high on my list, but in comparison to the ones below I still apparently like him, so we'll call that a townlean
Roxy Same level as falcon, ennnh, but as I write this, I would put her a shade higher on the list than falcon because I had a small mindmeld
Thunal33 I was more willing to yeet Thunal 12 hours ago, but she struck me as Towny more recently
☆Princess Abigail☆ No real Towny vibes yet. POE
motobot Same, nothing yet that sets him apart. POE
S~V~S Some issues with her stuff, as noted in previous posts. [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

This is a lot of words that kinda says nothing imho

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Thread flow into me has at least one wolf

Wheeeeeee

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also really digging being in PoE with the person I was voting

I especially like Epi and the

"I have no idea why Abbi is voting moto kill her

***literally 2 posts later***

Moto can die"

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

^ actual footage of Epi right now

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

^ actual footage of me right now

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Epi has 39 posts... why do I remember approximately 7 of them...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Abigail, could you do me a favor and collapse your reads into one post?

[Epignosis]

^ actual footage of Epi right now

Me? Oh no. I'm close to this: