Napoleon Dynamite Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Le petit poussin]

@Jack: the gist is that I like ddl partner analysis better though. Also I really dont see what thunal is doing if wolf here and dunya does feel agendy to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have Daisy down as town. Something she said yesterday iirc.

[Le petit poussin]

I do think v!dunya would have cased me or tryed to interact with me prior to vote me.

She is just ignoring my posts (see the last one where I asked her about eod2 wagons) and voting me. For no sensible reasons that I remember.

Snif

i dunno, i have ptsd from my last mafia game and i know for a fact you would totally fake a derpclear after losing wisdom on a vig shot. i felt very passionate about it last night tbh.

K
Why are u discarding Lime Coke wagon?

i'm not. i haven't gotten to him yet.

Come on, how is this even possible? You have been posting several time about eod2 wagons but only about thunal. I fail to see how you didnt notice Lime Coke was at 4 the whole time.

Ill give u a break and let other people post anyway. Hopefully I can find u town l8r if you are fame. Say hi to Daisy from me

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ill pretend you didnt post that wolfy cookie from Brad is a mood. Ill pretend the world doesnt revolve around me. Ill pretend I am not the sun.

It's the "Why do our kills keep failing? I don't understand!" mood

[Jackofhearts2005]

I also made another big post (yes, I was gambling really hard on not dying N2. Also I was bored).

You all needed it, so I'm coming down with it.

EVERYONE'S INTERACTIONS WITH WISDOM

(without quotes, because again, the JJJ-level budget is no longer available)

First of all, the wolf herself:

- Wisdom
D1: says I'm town when I accuse her. Cases Syn and votes him. Names me, Lime and Thunal as main town reads, and Syn/Long Com as main wolves. Continues to defend me and Thunal. Votes falcon for no reason. Defends herself against SVS multiple times.

Posts a reads list: me and Thunal main town reads, Lime not sure anymore, dunya lean town, Syn neutral, falcon bad, inactives bad.

Says Lime being nice to dunya is NAI. Leans town on Scotty. Says she would yeet Roxy or falcon over Scotty. Announces SVS is a townread. Agrees with her negative take on falcon. Gets cold feet on falcon wagon. But mentions she thinks it's pure. Questions Jack on his town read of Long Con and says she is considering voting there.

Posts another reads list. Main townies are me, SVS and Thunal, main wolves are falcon, LC/LC and moto. Tries to start a flash wagon on DADV, and votes moto. States she would feel bad about misyeeting Lime.

D2: low activity, stating RL reasons. Mostly self-defense. Throws shade on Moto again. Asks dunya for a daisy read. Makes a weak town read of Roxy. Votes moto again. When questioned by Thunal on Lime, says she's null on him. "I had him as town but I dunno, I want more on him". LPP is "town for bad reasons". Arrives right as the day ends, says she is not moving to Thunal after the vote locked.

Next, all the possible teammate candidates. I'll be listing how each person talked about/with Wisdom, then being up a summary of what Wisdom said about them. Finally, I'll provided a GTH read of them, considering only they relationship with Wisdom. GTH means either town or mafia, no null reads allowed.

1- SVS
from her: Calls wisdom manipulative on D0 and again D1. Argues with her. Ends up voting falcon. D2 brings it up again and votes her after naming her among a few options. Suspects dunya for defending wisdom. Continues to attack Wisdom. Is the last one to drop her wagon when it's clear it won't take off.
GTH: town (solid casing and pursuit from SVS. Lots of defenses from Wisdom, seems like pocketing. Since she also defends me and I know that's pocketing, it could be a pattern)

2 - dunya:
from her: D1:asks Wisdom some questions. Agrees with a post from SVS suspecting her. Discusses reads with Wisdom a few times. Says Lime isn't wolf with Wisdom or Roxy. Is friendly about her emotions. Says Lime is wishy-washy on Wisdom.
D2: Attacks a post from Thunal suspecting Wisdom, while also speculating they could be w/w. Discusses more cases with Wisdom. Later soft defends wisdom against Thunal. Replies to a post from Wisdom asking who is responsible for he moto yeet, and accuses Thunal 1st and Lime 2nd.
GTH: wolf (losts of posts that could be friendly Wolf banter, dunya throws some shade but not strongly and prioritizes other people. Also makes some defenses. Wisdom leans town on her too.)

3. jibay:
from him: no mention
from Wisdom: no mention. Appears neutral on reads lists.
GTH: wolf (no mention is wolfy, though low post count kind of explains it on his side)

4. nanook
from him: calls wisdom town early, doesn't have a reason. Pushes other wagons
from Wisdom: no mention. Appears neutral on reads lists.
GTH: wolf (calling a teammate town early is ballsy, but the lack of mentions afterwards even when inquired by other people is wolfy. No mention from Wisdom is wolfy)

5. roxy
from her: builds a case early, mentions she suspects her a few times, votes her in the end of D1. mentions she still want to vote wisdom D2, though ends up voting herself.
from Wisdom: soft town read once. Appears neutral on reads lists.
GTH: town (good D1 from Roxy. D2 isn't great but it seemed like a personal thing. Low mention from Wisdom is wolfy though.)

6. daisy
from her: expresses doubt about the wisdom wagon early D2 in a big post, but says she will double check. Later on mentions her again in another big post, leaning mafia
from Wisdom: interacts, but doesn't talk of her. Appears neutral on reads lists.
GTH: wolf (easy for Daisy to put wisdom suspicions in the middle of big posts, but not vote there. Low mentions from Wisdom is wolfy.)

7. lime
from him: soft defense of wisdom D1, implying he considered yeeting her but explaining why he won't. Never mentions her again.
from Wisdom: all over the place. Initially defends, then flips all the way to a main suspect, then later calls him null and doesn't acknowledge ving him as a main suspect before.
GTH: wolf (soft defense by Lime D1 and lack of mention on D2. Wisdom could be setting a misyeet on him, but she is never quite focusing on him for that)

8. LPP:
from him: asks Wisdom about her opinion. Promises a few times to other people he will provide a wisdom reason eventually. Never does.
from Wisdom: little mention, though he was inactive D1 when she was active. One soft town post.
GTH: wolf (LPP seems aware of her but never actually commiting to a read, which is wolfy. Wisdom didn't quite have the timing to talk about him so her side is null)

9. Syn
from him: states he doesn't want wisdom killed D1, no explanation. Repeats D2, again no explanation
GTH: town (Syn a bit too ballsy for teammates. The Wisdom side is tricky, she cases him earlier then just forgets about him)

10. Jack
from him: Makes GTH read that I'm a wolf with Wisdom. Changes his mind a while later. Agrees with a post from SVS casing Wisdom. Explains his LC town read to Wisdom when questioned. Later on states that he disagrees with people's defense of Wisdom, though he is willing to wait another day to vote. Says he has na "uninspired" scum read on her.
GTH: town (not strong on it, but Jack is suspecting her from diferente angles and bringing it up again. She doesn't go after Jack much though, which is wolfy)

11. Long Con:
from him: no mention
GTH: Wolf (no mention from LC is wolfy, even more with a higher post count. The Wisdom side is null, she throws shade a few times but doesn't really pursue)

12. thunal:
from her: D1: Earlier calls her town, comparing to her own previous xperiences being suspected. Later on is surprised Wisdom is townreading her, discusses reads with her.
D2: suspects Wisdom for her comment on falcon. Says she is aware she looks w/w with Wisdom but states her opinion has changed. Says Scotty is towny for agreeing on Wisdom. Says Wisdom is her 2nd main suspect (Lime is 1st) and votes Lime. Questions nanook on his Wisdom townread. Says she is not sure on Wisdom anymore. Changes her mind on Lime and moves to Wisdom. Makes an ISO of Wisdom and decides she changed her mind on her too. Votes Long Con. Speculates on her again, saying she could be either alignment.
GTH: town (Thunal's day 1 is bad, day 2 is better, but the main thing is that she brings a lot of attention to Wisdom, often negative. Wisdom's side could be pocketing or maybe she threw a scummate in the mix)

13. Scotty:
from him: D1: early joke vote on Wisdom. Agrees with me on a Wisdom suspicion. Agrees with Wisdom on a town DDL read. Builds a case against her. Argues about it with Thunal. Continues to mention her as a suspect. Mindmelds with SVS on that. Implies Wisdom could be 3P. Later says Wisdom's posts feel good, but suspects her lack of mention of him. Then says he keeps suspecting her, though he's aware he's voting with her elsewhere.
D2: says Wisdom could have TMI for trying a flash wagon. Says she and Thunal could be w/w. Continues to case her. Accepts Wisdom's meta defense. Brings up the flash wagon again. Votes Wisdom. Then finds a post from Wisdom that he believes absolves her, and unvotes. Later says he hasn't made his mind on her yet. Then posts a tier list with Wisdom as one of the main suspects. Votes her again. Questions Nanook's defense of her. Suspects other people for townreading her with no explanation. Before leaving lists her among a list of possible votes. Votes Syn.
GTH: town (Scotty is not as sure as SVS, but cases her a lot and keeps bringing up attention to her. From Wisdom there are some townreads, though not as involved as me/SVS/Thunal, so that side is null.)

GTH results:

town:

DDL ( )
SVS
Scotty
Thunal
Syn
Roxy
Jack

mafia:

Lime
nanook
dunya
LPP
Jibay
daisy
Long Con

So obviously there are no 7 wolves, but I tried to ignore setup proportion when picking the reads, to capture what I really feel. This does mean I don't intend to touch those people in the Town list, unless someone can convince me to change my mind on those interactions.

There are some weirdnessess here too, like Syn getting a town read for defending Wisdom and nanook not getting it after defending one, but feeling plays a role here. I think one w/w defense is feasible, and Nanook is the kind of troll who might do it. Two defenses on different days is VERY bold, and I'm not sure if Syn would do it.

Daisy looks bad-ish in this list, but otherwise I've been feeling her pretty town. I kind of liked Long Con in D2 too.

Anyway, I really want to kill Lime here. I've been suspecting him for a while, his Day 2 is the worst ever and he doesn't look great interacting with our known flipped wolf.

Otherwise I'd be ok with yeeting Nanook, dunya, LPP or Jibay.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Sexy post

[Jackofhearts2005]

to investigate: Dunya/Lime teaminess

[Dragon D. Luffy]

i forgot to tag @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can we do a video mafia game this year? <3

Id play if you'd have me. (Assuming this goes like irl mafia but using whatsupp or another vid msging service)

Pretty much. There are some specific rules in place to keep people from talking over each other too much (which I always forget about and end up breaking), but otherwise, same stuff.

I'm also down to video mafia if anyone's hosting.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

to investigate: Dunya/Lime teaminess

Pay attention to the part where she questions Lime why he suspected falcon, then Lime explains and she goes "Hmm, now that you mention it, I also thought falcon was suspish because of X" (paraphrasing)

And who got misyeeted D1

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Honest dunya has been pretty off today so I could be convinced to yeet her over Lime

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually why do I need others to convince me. YOLO

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

Ill pretend you didnt post that wolfy cookie from Brad is a mood. Ill pretend the world doesnt revolve around me. Ill pretend I am not the sun.

It wasn't wolfy... kinda gave you pretty good logic why it wasn't as well. Why isn't your logic logic'ing, Rask?

[Lime Coke]

Also dear God Drag-on, please find different approaches.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

3/3 wagons between what I think are likely wolf partners are sexy.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also dear God Drag-on, please find different approaches.

I can vote you back if you really want.

[Long Con]

Jack is horny for Mafia today.

[Scotty]

Scotty has excellent tone. still null because I feel this isn't the type of player you tone read

he's always a golden retriever

This is patently false. You are patently false.

[Scotty]

Scotty has excellent tone. still null because I feel this isn't the type of player you tone read

he's always a golden retriever

good to know

speak to me about dunya.

french, yet overly conciliatory

has no reason to actually defend me, went hard to bat for me

I'm doing nothing and am not even interacting with her. she should want to launch me into the sun (soleil soleil soleil)

That is a strong point that I saw shifted the moves in my reread away from you. I see no world where w!dunya hard defends wolf!syn, and in all liklihood it comes off as TMI on her part on you.

I have done a hard turn around on you in the night because of it. You could still be 3p but that’s basically a coin flip for me, and I don’t feel like going there atm.

[Scotty]

I'm not gonna talk about thunal all day, I realize I'm in tunnel territory so when I'm on my.laptop I'll focus on wisdom teammates. I forgot for a second wisdom flipped wolf so I'm just looking for two lol

Bzzzzt you *forgot* wisdom flipped wolf? That’s like a meter maid forgetting to ticket my parked car in a bike lane the other day for 7 minutes. It’s simply impossible for a meter maid to miss that chance. I don’t buy that you forgot a wolf flipped.

In her defense LPP got a dumb tell on that, and it also took me quite a few hours into N2 to notice it too, to the point I was almost done with my first wall on the moto wagon.

Something about the way @Epignosis made that EoD post makes it very confusing.

There’s a difference between saying ‘I didn’t see the flip’ and ‘I forgot for a second she flipped’. The latter implies that she had seen it. Like watching your coworker win the lottery and then when they don’t show up to work the next week you’re like ‘where’s Susan? Anyone know what happened to Susan? Oh yeah, that’s right, she won $700 mill and promptly took a shit on the boss’s desk. I forgot’

[Scotty]

I just checked past games thinking "When the fuck did I get N1'd?" and I DID get N1'd!!!

Wow holy shit thank you for that!

Not being sarcastic I like being night killed early by maf.

Help me help you by finding who might actually be bad. So far today, you’ve had a lot of self aware meta and voted me because ‘that might be a good vote’

It feels like you’re going through the motions

[Scotty]

Syn spewed.

Not Feeling it With Nanook (Pitching this show idea to CBS now)

Dunya don't know but still vibing town.

Long Con I never actually read but hoping is town for LC connection... this never seems to go well.

Rask... I'm guessing town.

Jack is like I don't see being maf for a specific reason but not comfortable at all placing into towns.

SVS... guessing town but I'm side eyeing because how do you not have a read on me when I'm top wagon every day phase?

Roxy not feeling towny.

Scotty currently voting.

Drag-on Probably conf-biased town but still would like him voted out if I'm voted out because of spite.

Thunal prolly town.

Spacedaisy had a reason to townread her Day 1 but forgot why.

Jibay not posting so who the fuck knows... actually is nearly a zero poster, and because my mafia experience has to be annoying as hell, he's probably town like the rest of the near zero posters.

Nah, this whole reads list is borderline salad. Feels phoned in. Gosh!

[Lime Coke]

I just checked past games thinking "When the fuck did I get N1'd?" and I DID get N1'd!!!

Wow holy shit thank you for that!

Not being sarcastic I like being night killed early by maf.

Help me help you by finding who might actually be bad. So far today, you’ve had a lot of self aware meta and voted me because ‘that might be a good vote’

It feels like you’re going through the motions

Nope just...unable to get anything when reading for some reason.

[Scotty]

it means I don't believe you. (it's from Zelda Breath of the Wild, it will please Wisdom if she is reading)

I mean... I'm sitting top wagon currently and I'm someone who has prided himself on not getting lynched when I'm town.
If I did actually have a lot more in terms of reads and explanations do you not think I would be posting it all here and just gotten the wagon off of me by now?

I figure I’m definitely in confbias mode, but this post also feels ironic. I don’t feel like you’re passionately trying to get the wagon off you. It feels like you’re trying to get out of a puddle of molasses by shrugging slowly. So…you feel like you’re telling us inversely that you aren’t town

[Jackofhearts2005]

I just checked past games thinking "When the fuck did I get N1'd?" and I DID get N1'd!!!

Wow holy shit thank you for that!

Not being sarcastic I like being night killed early by maf.

Help me help you by finding who might actually be bad. So far today, you’ve had a lot of self aware meta and voted me because ‘that might be a good vote’

It feels like you’re going through the motions

Nope just...unable to get anything when reading for some reason.

yuck

[Lime Coke]

Jesus fucking christ you fucking people.

[Lime Coke]

Playing this game gets more and more painful.

[Scotty]

I think only one wolf in thunal and Lime Coke and more inclined towards Thunal still

You made a similar post last EoD right as votes locked and left me intrigued. Why Thunal over Lime?

i feel like thunal has been walking around me. i don't know where i stand in thunal's world. i found her reaction to falcon flip to rid herself of responsibility to be preformative in a way that came across nervous, the eod flash on moto could have been to save her, and i feel like she was distancing from wisdom after first giving them a town read, and some questions she asked seemed a bit "is she really asking this?" to me.

i haven't played mafia in like a year, and last game i played i was embarrassingly bad and pretty much a big reason why we lost to rask.

so please no one follow me unless you have convictions of your own. my heart's not entirely in this game, busy life, not in the right mind frame and mood...etc. so i feel i'm not really getting sucked and engaged. like scotty....he has a gazillion posts and i don't even know if i town read or wolf read him.

p.s. i miss playing video mafia with you @Thunal33 i wish one day nanook can run a game for us.

Both you and le petit (who says I have good tone, like I’m a harmonica or something) just saying my name without an opinion is a weird feeling.

Granted, I know I do post a lot at times. And they tend to be in chunks of 12-15 by myself since for whatever reason it often feels like no one is around to engage with me when I’m on but I digress. I post a lot of thoughts in both alignments, but I do feel like I have enough for people to at least have a *read* on me at this point

[Scotty]

jack is in this game. jack is a good contender for 3p.

I can see it. Put it in the blender with Syn and the invisible bear that lives in my bathroom cupboard

[Lime Coke]

Why does every fucking game has to turn like this? Legit I can't catch a single fucking break and play a single fucking game without getting massively pissed off fucking hell

[Long Con]

Playing this game gets more and more painful.

I believe in you, bro.

[Scotty]

what does everyone think about spacedaisy

another null in my head

Towny reasoning, have felt good since D1, hasn’t changed.

[Lime Coke]

jack is in this game. jack is a good contender for 3p.

I can see it. Put it in the blender with Syn and the invisible bear that lives in my bathroom cupboard

After his last post towards me, I'm now just fully fine with killing him.

[Lime Coke]

Playing this game gets more and more painful.

I believe in you, bro.

Good can we vote Jack then?

[VOTE: Jackofhearts] aubergine

[Scotty]

I guess I haven’t seen this asked yet and am curious about this line of thinking:

Why is Lime Coke town?

[Long Con]

what does everyone think about spacedaisy

another null in my head

Towny reasoning, have felt good since D1, hasn’t changed.

I think spacedaisy is towny enough.

[Lime Coke]

Like that legit fucking tilted me

[Long Con]

Playing this game gets more and more painful.

I believe in you, bro.

Good can we vote Jack then?

[VOTE: Jackofhearts] aubergine

Sure dude!

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

I guess I haven’t seen this asked yet and am curious about this line of thinking:

Why is Lime Coke town?

No go ahead Scotty just scumread me and vote me like everyone is doing... go the fuck ahead.

[Long Con]

Now if dunya will move then we can have a ... you know it! ... THREE WAY TIE!!! Wooooooooooooooot!

[Lime Coke]

Playing this game gets more and more painful.

I believe in you, bro.

Good can we vote Jack then?

[VOTE: Jackofhearts] aubergine

Sure dude!

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

Thank you. At least someone is helping me.

[Lime Coke]

I know what he's gonna do, Jack will just post random shit in a row in order to try to get the wagon off of him... don't bother listening with him just kill him.

[Scotty]

Jesus fucking christ you fucking people.

I’m willing to acknowledge that I am seeing that tunnel and it looks really yummy, but know that I’m pretty fluid in reads. I think I’m just looking for something you’re not currently providing is all

[Scotty]

Why does every fucking game has to turn like this? Legit I can't catch a single fucking break and play a single fucking game without getting massively pissed off fucking hell

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There, how bout now

[Long Con]

Playing this game gets more and more painful.

I believe in you, bro.

Good can we vote Jack then?

[VOTE: Jackofhearts] aubergine

Sure dude!

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

Thank you. At least someone is helping me.

[Lime Coke]

Jesus fucking christ you fucking people.

I’m willing to acknowledge that I am seeing that tunnel and it looks really yummy, but know that I’m pretty fluid in reads. I think I’m just looking for something you’re not currently providing is all

I provided, kill Jack.

[Lime Coke]

Why does every fucking game has to turn like this? Legit I can't catch a single fucking break and play a single fucking game without getting massively pissed off fucking hell

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There, how bout now

No, kill Jack.

[Scotty]

Vote count with ~28 hours to go in D3:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
dunya
4
33%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, Syn, Scotty
Jackofhearts2005
2
17%
Voters: Lime Coke, Long Con
Jibay
0
No votes
Voters: None
le petit poussin
1
8%
Voters: dunya
Lime Coke
2
17%
Voters: Le petit poussin, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None

[Long Con]

Let's... let's do what he says, and kill Jack. Right?

[Scotty]

jack is in this game. jack is a good contender for 3p.

I can see it. Put it in the blender with Syn and the invisible bear that lives in my bathroom cupboard

After his last post towards me, I'm now just fully fine with killing him.

Sorry, I missed it. Which post and why?

[Lime Coke]

jack is in this game. jack is a good contender for 3p.

I can see it. Put it in the blender with Syn and the invisible bear that lives in my bathroom cupboard

After his last post towards me, I'm now just fully fine with killing him.

Sorry, I missed it. Which post and why?

His very last post. Pissed me off. Just fucking kill him.

[Long Con]

Pissed ma boy OFF! Hunh!

And you know what that means.