Napoleon Dynamite Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Readlist for today

Town: SVS, Falcon
Probably town, potentially 3P: Motobot
Wolflean: Wisdom
Very wolfy, pretty sure this is a hit: Dunya

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Readlist for today

Town: SVS, Falcon
Probably town, potentially 3P: Motobot
Wolflean: Wisdom
Very wolfy, pretty sure this is a hit: Dunya

Jack and SVS looking like w/w from this post.

[Spacedaisy]

Readlist for today

Town: SVS, Falcon
Probably town, potentially 3P: Motobot
Wolflean: Wisdom
Very wolfy, pretty sure this is a hit: Dunya

Wins the thread

[Le petit poussin]

Readlist for today

Town: SVS, Falcon
Probably town, potentially 3P: Motobot
Wolflean: Wisdom
Very wolfy, pretty sure this is a hit: Dunya

I stand by my reads tbh. Motobot is a wolf, wisdom looks town to me. As much as it amuses me to yeet her wolfy ass offsite, she is just a villager here. The evidences are clear.

The rest I agree.

[Le petit poussin]

Daisy, do you think as a wolf I shutdown dunya when she pushed Moto was a counter to wolf!Thunal wagon at EOD2/SOD3?

[Le petit poussin]

Can people ISO daisy and look for their reads on both Wisdom and dunya pls. I looked and it's not great (particularly D1/D2. D3 they come in voting Dun but then went Lonc Con and Jack). I will dig/quote when I have bit more time but I am also close to conf-bias territory so I'd like to be second guessed here.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So my takeaway, looking at how Dunya interacted with my POE list is that it’s never Syn and probably not Roxy. That was a genuine flare up between them and I don’t see that happening between teammates who have BTSC.

That's like

One of the easiest things in the world for competent mafia to do lol

[Scotty]

Dragon town

Syn spewed town and voted correctly.

I'm believing in the "Jibay would've done more if teamed with Dunya" read as well...

I agree on Syn if only because we have both instances of him hard defending Wisdom and dunya hard defending him and I just don't think mafia is so bold.

I mean I just read dunya's ISOs and she and wisdom are basically best friends. Dunya talks with wisdom more than anyone else, esp D1. I just don't think all 3 mafiosos glue themselves to each other this hard.

On Jibay... I think that logic makes sense but it's not that strong. Jibay could just be inactive and there isn't much the wolves could do to remedy that. They could coach him but he is new and not engaged so coaching could only go so far.

Nanook I don't wanna kill anymore after reading dunya's ISO.

I think it's one of Daisy, Jibay or Long Con.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

People aren't talking about him enough today.

I don’t hate it. I’ve oscillated on LC all game and generally feel like he’s on the fringe of being town. SVS hard defended him, and a myriad of others keep being like ‘LC is obv town’ so that does carry weight.

But in a vacuum, and when I summon up my memory of his gameplay (which has more gaps than the ones getting on NYC Subway cars at a station):
-blendy, non unique reads early game
-agreeable ALL game, to the point of being chipper and nodding along to what feels like *everyone*, for instance holding hands with Lime Coke and blind voting Jack because ???
-suggested the Lafawndah mech to aid town

So the main hang ups for me for LC wolf is:
-does wolf give such a helpful town mech advice for masons to find each other?
-is SVS so easily fooled by LC, with as much history as they have?

LC feels like 3p if anything. Not a top priority for me for wolfsville

[Scotty]

Roxy being absent is troublesome, and because of that I think I have to keep her in POE

[Scotty]

Put nook on the "likely 3P" list tbh.

And save that list in a very safe place.

Seriously, underestinate Epi's indies at your own risk.

Honestly, 3p hunting feels like a fools errand. I mean I’m doing it anyway, but in the back of my mind, there’s no association reads and all I have to go on is ‘weirdness vs their metas’ which…ehhhh

And yeah, if there’s a chance to take out an indie in an Epi game, do it. But in a no info-dump situation, I feel like we just gotta get lucky

[Scotty]

about Roxy, she does look like another ML attempt reading dunya's D1. not voting her out.

I’ve had Roxy as town all game. It’s only her general absence at this stage that is throwing me for a loop and making me want to reassess

[Thunal33]

about Roxy, she does look like another ML attempt reading dunya's D1. not voting her out.

I’ve had Roxy as town all game. It’s only her general absence at this stage that is throwing me for a loop and making me want to reassess

Finally finished doing a full Dunya spew ISO!

Dunya immediately called Roxy's post asking about no shows bossy and disingenuous on d1 and then voted for her.

I think that looks good for Roxy but not clearing, but what is more clearing IMO is dunya asking if Roxy overreacts as a wolf after Roxy got upset. I think dunya was scared Roxy would clear herself with emotion.

[Thunal33]

@Thunal33 seemed pretty sure Long was town. I wonder why.

Long Con finding me as town immediately at the start of d3 was what made me find him.

He's been villagery and one of the top people driving the game forward from d2 on.

Dunya stopped pushing me because I was townreading Long Con and Long Con was townreading me. She didn't think either of us were pushable.

He also clearly thought about mech with the mason roles.

[Thunal33]

I kind of think Daisy looks worse from dunya spew. Dunya doesn't say anything about her at the start but then starts having her as a null that she asks people about, and is jealous everyone townreads her. Could be "oops, I haven't been interacting with my teammate!"

I also have a feeling Nanook is 3p but I'm not pursuing that rn.

[Thunal33]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you're really voting me today? After dunya extremely spewed me town?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you're really voting me today? After dunya extremely spewed me town?

I mostly don't really care about dunya spew tbh, I've seen firsthand how good she is at fucking up associative reads

[Jibay]

I agree, with you, Dunya at the start , say to kill Roxy Because she was looking afraid, Roxy Push her to be killed from D1, so i think Roxy is town, after i'm lost of who the wolf can be ,

For now here my tough of how can people be :

Town
Scotty
Thunal
Roxy
Nanook

The independant :
Le petit Pousin

some doubt:
Space Daisy
Dragon

More Doubt:
Jack
Long Con

More more doubt:
Lime Coke ( My choice of yeasterday and for now didnt change really but maybe yes will see)

Trying to catch up

[Long Con]

There's a chance Long Con was trying to pocket me in order to get towns yeeted...tbh it's shocking people don't try this as mafia but eh... he was sorta hamming it up but I didn't care at the time...I could care now.

I'm hesitant to voting him because of the LC connection... which at this rate is basically just cheap ass WIFI.

I have only read up to this point, and I can't believe you would say such a thing. LC Connection is alive and well, mon frère. LC Conection is the reason I voted Jack, misguided and nearly disastrous as that was.

If you don't want to not vote for me due to the LC Connection, fine, let me give you another rock solid reason. This is for you too, DDL, and LPP I think?

You're behind the times. You're not hip to the current groove. Voting for me is currently a non-starter. It's okay that you didn't know that, but now you do. This has already been supported by players other than me: Long Con is towncore. Dig it, seal it up, pack it away. I'm happy to help narrow it down.

[Long Con]

what I disliked about Long Con is that he actually made the Jack wagon happened, putting it at 2 despite all total absence of case on the slot.

If you think 2 minutes about mafia theory and how to village properly.

You don't start a random wagon D3 at EOD minus 20 when all the day has been about 2 slots (namely dunya and you Lime Coke). You don't do that especially when nobody (I swear nobody) even voiced or articulated a sus on Jack (please post/quote if I am wrong on this, memory could be failing me).

Why?

Because it's so rand. I means you have rouhgly 20% to hit a wolf with it. (from a village pov, actually it's less because you are handing out undeserved kp to wolves but anyway, lets keep it simple). So you won't most of the time.

What happens the next day? You just repeat D-1 trying to resolve the slots you were allready talking about (strenghtened by the fact these slots most likely joined said wagon because heh, u gotta survive). But you lost minimum 2 villagers doing it.

Hence why I posted people were throwing yesterDay.

So.

I am pretty sure Long Con is very aware of all of this. He doesn't sound like an idiot or a noob. Yet he happiliy made it happen. NGL I am annoyed at Daisy for joining like she did too. Thunal I just think was hard pocketed by Dunya.

get them people

I have a reason.

[Le petit poussin]

what I disliked about Long Con is that he actually made the Jack wagon happened, putting it at 2 despite all total absence of case on the slot.

If you think 2 minutes about mafia theory and how to village properly.

You don't start a random wagon D3 at EOD minus 20 when all the day has been about 2 slots (namely dunya and you Lime Coke). You don't do that especially when nobody (I swear nobody) even voiced or articulated a sus on Jack (please post/quote if I am wrong on this, memory could be failing me).

Why?

Because it's so rand. I means you have rouhgly 20% to hit a wolf with it. (from a village pov, actually it's less because you are handing out undeserved kp to wolves but anyway, lets keep it simple). So you won't most of the time.

What happens the next day? You just repeat D-1 trying to resolve the slots you were allready talking about (strenghtened by the fact these slots most likely joined said wagon because heh, u gotta survive). But you lost minimum 2 villagers doing it.

Hence why I posted people were throwing yesterDay.

So.

I am pretty sure Long Con is very aware of all of this. He doesn't sound like an idiot or a noob. Yet he happiliy made it happen. NGL I am annoyed at Daisy for joining like she did too. Thunal I just think was hard pocketed by Dunya.

get them people

I have a reason.

I can believe it

[Syn]

I'd be more inclined to think Long Con is the last wolf over Scotty and especially over Daisy

Nanook and Scotty are my 3p reads

what do you think of her pushing you and me? I get lolvillage but its irking me out ngl.

tee bee aytch I don't see a reason for wolf!daisy to do that when dunia almost uwu'd her way out of the chop

[Syn]

I agree, with you, Dunya at the start , say to kill Roxy Because she was looking afraid, Roxy Push her to be killed from D1, so i think Roxy is town, after i'm lost of who the wolf can be ,

For now here my tough of how can people be :

Town
Scotty
Thunal
Roxy
Nanook

The independant :
Le petit Pousin

some doubt:
Space Daisy
Dragon

More Doubt:
Jack
Long Con

More more doubt:
Lime Coke ( My choice of yeasterday and for now didnt change really but maybe yes will see)

Trying to catch up

I am free of this game and its alignments

[Syn]

I agree, with you, Dunya at the start , say to kill Roxy Because she was looking afraid, Roxy Push her to be killed from D1, so i think Roxy is town, after i'm lost of who the wolf can be ,

For now here my tough of how can people be :

Town
Scotty
Thunal
Roxy
Nanook

The independant :
Le petit Pousin

some doubt:
Space Daisy
Dragon

More Doubt:
Jack
Long Con

More more doubt:
Lime Coke ( My choice of yeasterday and for now didnt change really but maybe yes will see)

Trying to catch up

Why do you think it's Lime Coke?

[Syn]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Hey, wanna talk?

[Long Con]

I can believe it

I am keeping it a secret reason just a bit longer, for security reasons. It's not that great.

[Syn]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Hey, wanna talk?

Sorry I'm shy

[Syn]

Also I just wanted to add some excitement since I was abandoned on nanook

[Spacedaisy]

So my takeaway, looking at how Dunya interacted with my POE list is that it’s never Syn and probably not Roxy. That was a genuine flare up between them and I don’t see that happening between teammates who have BTSC.

That's like

One of the easiest things in the world for competent mafia to do lol

Dunya 100% would NEVER fake real life hostility or offense to hide she's a wolf. She would never do something that would have required mod intervention. She doesn't believe in it. That's all I'm saying.

Regardless, I have my vote where I want it. It's not moving. I'll let you guys do your thing from here. I'll check back to see what happens but I've said my piece. I get it if you yeet me. It's whatever. We can still win it.

[Long Con]

So my takeaway, looking at how Dunya interacted with my POE list is that it’s never Syn and probably not Roxy. That was a genuine flare up between them and I don’t see that happening between teammates who have BTSC.

That's like

One of the easiest things in the world for competent mafia to do lol

Dunya 100% would NEVER fake real life hostility or offense to hide she's a wolf. She would never do something that would have required mod intervention. She doesn't believe in it. That's all I'm saying.

Regardless, I have my vote where I want it. It's not moving. I'll let you guys do your thing from here. I'll check back to see what happens but I've said my piece. I get it if you yeet me. It's whatever. We can still win it.

Technically, there WAS no mod intervention. Now that you mention it...

[Long Con]

Also I just wanted to add some excitement since I was abandoned on nanook

Hey, thanks for thinking of me!

[Le petit poussin]

Daisy, you won't like it. Bear with me, I am just a poor uninformed human being...

irl love and all.

but

[Le petit poussin]

Please don't skip this post. formatting involved. don't fail me

I feel like sharing one thing I noticed about Daisy while staring at her ISO for the last 2 hours: her voting pattern.

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I was to post a case about her, lined up to 7 quotes from the first two days... but actually I am not sure I will convince anyone like that. YOu can read her ISO yourself and make your mind. I'll just stress some points here and there

D1, she voted Long Con. (presumably for talking about no shows if I read that right).
Falcon leading wagon, chopped, flipped town.

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At this point I cannot resist quoting their D1 vote justification, posted at SOD2:
" there was one vote on Long Con and I actively suspected him, despite feeling like I trusted the people on the falcon wagon more than others, just vibe wise. Then DDL said if I voted there, he would join me. I looked at the math and thought, that would tie up falcon and Long Con and the final decision would be made by a civ, even if it's an uninformed civ, I've prefer that to manipulated wagon. So I dropped a vote on Long Con, then DDL followed suit as he said he would. I think it was DDL anyway, I'll have to recheck that."


how convoluted. as a villager, you obviously vote because "that would tie up falcon and Long Con and the final decision would be made by a civ, even if it's an uninformed civ, I've prefer that to manipulated wagon" -> ngl this sounds like wolf mindset to me, like the root of this vote is her willigness to not being held accountable for anything. Also the wording is a bit weird here ngl. final decision being made by a civilian? so you are tying up? wat? aren't you a civilian yourself????

D2, she voted Long Con. (for the same reasons? she posted she is getting weirded out because nobody called her out for tying up wagons D1 so she might be onto something. ok. suspicious about other slots - DDL, who was pushing dunya - but that's the vote).
Thunal and Lime Coke leading wagons, Moto chopped, flipped town.

D3 she joins at EOD minus 2 hours roughly. dunya is up to a gazillion votes (can't remember but 7 at a minimum to Lime Coke's 2 or 3). Take a chair.



She votes dunya.
then she votes Long Con
then she votes Syn
then she votes Lime Coke
then she votes Jack (wagon takes off! yeah!)


Dunya is chopped still, flips wolf.

COnclusion?

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She is wolf and all her votes not named dunya are villagers/3p.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So my takeaway, looking at how Dunya interacted with my POE list is that it’s never Syn and probably not Roxy. That was a genuine flare up between them and I don’t see that happening between teammates who have BTSC.

That's like

One of the easiest things in the world for competent mafia to do lol

Dunya 100% would NEVER fake real life hostility or offense to hide she's a wolf. She would never do something that would have required mod intervention. She doesn't believe in it. That's all I'm saying.

Regardless, I have my vote where I want it. It's not moving. I'll let you guys do your thing from here. I'll check back to see what happens but I've said my piece. I get it if you yeet me. It's whatever. We can still win it.

I've literally faked a fight with her before lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways it could be real and still be partnered regardless, I rarely see that stuff as clearing

[Jackofhearts2005]

By definition, isn’t anyone else a wolf voted for town/3p cause there’s only one wolf left?

Gottem

[Le petit poussin]

By definition, isn’t anyone else a wolf voted for town/3p cause there’s only one wolf left?

Gottem

Touché. I was a bit overdramatic there.

[Scotty]

what I disliked about Long Con is that he actually made the Jack wagon happened, putting it at 2 despite all total absence of case on the slot.

If you think 2 minutes about mafia theory and how to village properly.

You don't start a random wagon D3 at EOD minus 20 when all the day has been about 2 slots (namely dunya and you Lime Coke). You don't do that especially when nobody (I swear nobody) even voiced or articulated a sus on Jack (please post/quote if I am wrong on this, memory could be failing me).

Why?

Because it's so rand. I means you have rouhgly 20% to hit a wolf with it. (from a village pov, actually it's less because you are handing out undeserved kp to wolves but anyway, lets keep it simple). So you won't most of the time.

What happens the next day? You just repeat D-1 trying to resolve the slots you were allready talking about (strenghtened by the fact these slots most likely joined said wagon because heh, u gotta survive). But you lost minimum 2 villagers doing it.

Hence why I posted people were throwing yesterDay.

So.

I am pretty sure Long Con is very aware of all of this. He doesn't sound like an idiot or a noob. Yet he happiliy made it happen. NGL I am annoyed at Daisy for joining like she did too. Thunal I just think was hard pocketed by Dunya.

get them people

This is a good point actually

[Thunal33]

Other stuff from my spew notes:
-Jibay is just town. In addition to Dunya really not wanting anyone to sheep people on him, she tried to make up an angleshooty reason for him being a wolf based on Wisdom calling him JB. Then she retracted that bad reason as soon as she got pushback for it.

-DDL is very towny. She talks about paying attention to anyone who will set up Lime Coke as a mischop and calls out DDL in particular. She's making him look bad if Lime Coke had flipped.

-She thought Scotty was the one who shot Wisdom. Slight good look for Scotty, but not unfakeable.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I veto killing Long Con. He is clear town.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I veto killing Long Con. He is clear town.

He's just having fun.

[Syn]

-She thought Scotty was the one who shot Wisdom. Slight good look for Scotty, but not unfakeable.

I also thought this

[Syn]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I veto killing Long Con. He is clear town.

I promise LC won't die

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It's a problem when every player alive in the game couldn't possibly be mafia.

[Thunal33]

-She thought Scotty was the one who shot Wisdom. Slight good look for Scotty, but not unfakeable.

I also thought this

I also wonder if that's why SVS died, because if they knew or suspected SVS were Tina they'd prob go for a power role that actually has power currently.

[Long Con]

In case anyone is scared of the big bad wolf:

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I veto killing Long Con. He is clear town.

We need a running list of who is hard defending who.

Come to think of it, why do I recall someone hard defending dunya? Who was that? Damn

[Scotty]

In case anyone is scared of the big bad wolf:

OOHHHHHH LONG CONNNNSON

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I veto killing Long Con. He is clear town.

We need a running list of who is hard defending who.

Come to think of it, why do I recall someone hard defending dunya? Who was that? Damn

I'm pretty sure every player alive has at least one person saying they are sure about their towniness.

[Spacedaisy]

Daisy, you won't like it. Bear with me, I am just a poor uninformed human being...

irl love and all.

but

I don’t care. I’m not scared of your case. I already expect to get killed. I just hope after I’m dead and flipped they actually consider YOUR actions at EoD and read why I’m voting you.

::shrugs:: Get me yeeted.

And it’s just a game, I’m not mad at you irl.