The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

[Thunal33]

This many vanities also concerns me but I dunno when eod is

8:00 pm EST today

[Michelle]

Scotty feels like he’s trying too hard to find reads.

This is not really AI to me, just thought I’d note it.

My suspicion started here. It was wishy washy and I didn't like it.
Mafia tend to throw a suspicion backtracking in the same time.
Of course I didn't remember the exact moment and post and if you want to push me for bad memory, be my guest.

And you are one of the best and natural wolves I played with. I have to pay attention to you and force everyone to scrutinize you if I have a suspicion.
Your reads look well. But a good wolf can post good reads.

I will continue with the iso

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

This many vanities also concerns me but I dunno when eod is

8:00 pm EST today

Than I stand by my concern

[Michelle]

This many vanities also concerns me but I dunno when eod is

We still have time.

[Michelle]

Many vanities means mafia feels safe and not pushing strongly for a wagon

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Yes which is my concern

[Michelle]

Add to this the low activity that another bad thing

[Roxy]

Caught up but it isn't sticking, probs due to the fact I am a 4 year Olds best friend and I thoroughly enjoy every minute.

W hile I an unsure of sig I have a vibe he is probs town poss 3p but unlikely. He should however know (bc we have played many times) I post however I want to as town or bad. The noble smiley is one of my faves. Reminds me of my old dog Bear. Not voting sig.

Thunal feels different tone wise to me. I have gotten her wrong before but I have also been right. I want to just give her time bc it feels like she hardly plays anymore.

Porscha wow. You are all over the map. You have sussed people then cleared them, buddying up the thread. I've missed you and your energy in games I have played but I could vote here.

Sprityo your Darling vote is a cop out with all that is in the thread. I despise D1 low poster votes just bc they cba'ed to have opinions on things that are in the thread. I am also 98% sure low poster votes d 1 lead to much towny sadness whenI have seen them. Voting here vote sprityo

[Roxy]

Also decided not to really comment on Capes vote for me bc he really does not know me plus the fact I really don't give a care bc Ariya is here

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Mrrrrrrrh I hate that post

[Michelle]

@Roxy since you are caught up, tell me your reads on Long Com and SVS please

[Thunal33]

Many vanities means mafia feels safe and not pushing strongly for a wagon

I don't think it means mafia aren't in danger but the problem with a lot of vanities is that mafia can easily manipulate the wagons.

[Michelle]

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Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
20%
Voters: Scotty, sprityo
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
10%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
20%
Voters: Long Con, DrWilgy
Porscha
1
10%
Voters: falcon45ca
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
10%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sequence (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
30%
Voters: Syn, nutella, Epignosis
Total votes: 10

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Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
1
8%
Voters: sprityo
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
8%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
17%
Voters: Long Con, DrWilgy
Porscha
2
17%
Voters: Scotty, falcon45ca
☆Princess Abigail☆
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
1
8%
Voters: Michelle
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
17%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, Thunal33
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

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Poll runs till Sun Mar 09, 2025 3:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
1
6%
Voters: sprityo
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
6%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
13%
Voters: Long Con, DrWilgy
Porscha
3
19%
Voters: Scotty, Thunal33, falcon45ca
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
6%
Voters: pyxxy
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
1
6%
Voters: Cape90
S~V~S
1
6%
Voters: Michelle
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
13%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, S~V~S
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
1
6%
Voters: Roxy
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sequence (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
19%
Voters: Syn, nutella, Epignosis
Total votes: 16

[Thunal33]

Caught up but it isn't sticking, probs due to the fact I am a 4 year Olds best friend and I thoroughly enjoy every minute.

W hile I an unsure of sig I have a vibe he is probs town poss 3p but unlikely. He should however know (bc we have played many times) I post however I want to as town or bad. The noble smiley is one of my faves. Reminds me of my old dog Bear. Not voting sig.

Thunal feels different tone wise to me. I have gotten her wrong before but I have also been right. I want to just give her time bc it feels like she hardly plays anymore.

Porscha wow. You are all over the map. You have sussed people then cleared them, buddying up the thread. I've missed you and your energy in games I have played but I could vote here.

Sprityo your Darling vote is a cop out with all that is in the thread. I despise D1 low poster votes just bc they cba'ed to have opinions on things that are in the thread. I am also 98% sure low poster votes d 1 lead to much towny sadness whenI have seen them. Voting here vote sprityo

Thanks! I want to play more often.

Do you wolfread sprityo?

[Michelle]

Many vanities means mafia feels safe and not pushing strongly for a wagon

I don't think it means mafia aren't in danger but the problem with a lot of vanities is that mafia can easily manipulate the wagons.

Who's mafia?

[sprityo]

One last post before work for you @Roxy

Not a cop out, genuinely want to play the game with you all and day 1 (in my opinion) is the most inconsequential day to vote off someone who isnt even here. Especially someone who literally checked in to confirm playing and had this far been away. In either case, I’d rather the people with the time and are invested in doing their day 1 sleuthing take the reins. My vote stays, I’ll check back with yall after work

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Brrrrrrrrrrrr

[DrWilgy]

Hello friends. I haven't read the past 12 pages. Celebrating the ol' anniversary this weekend.

Why does Porchuaga have 3 votes?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hello friends. I haven't read the past 12 pages. Celebrating the ol' anniversary this weekend.

Why does Porchuaga have 3 votes?

People be wildin save me doctor

[Thunal33]

Many vanities means mafia feels safe and not pushing strongly for a wagon

I don't think it means mafia aren't in danger but the problem with a lot of vanities is that mafia can easily manipulate the wagons.

Who's mafia?

Sig and Porscha are the two people I really have below null today. Lime Coke I barely have below null but I'm not acting on it because I know I can read him well later.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Do we actually think it’s porscha

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like really?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Are you guys reading the same game that I’m not?

[Scotty]

Scotty, Abi, and Michelle are the people I feel fairly confident town on. SVS and Cape are a tier below that.

I am aligned with this list.

You can be a town lean.

sig and Porscha could easily both be bad

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I can't shake the feeling she TMIed Scotty town and I don't like how she dropped the Scotty read.

I could do this too depending on what she or sig says later on.

What about what they said up until now? I feel like that behavior is already rather telling

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I can't shake the feeling she TMIed Scotty town and I don't like how she dropped the Scotty read.

I could do this too depending on what she or sig says later on.

Porscha is good

Do not take her away from me

por que

[Michelle]

@Lime Coke come and play friend!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Are you guys reading the same game that I’m not?

Well I'm vocally against Porscha

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I can't shake the feeling she TMIed Scotty town and I don't like how she dropped the Scotty read.

I could do this too depending on what she or sig says later on.

Porscha is good

Do not take her away from me

por que

She's town i dunno she just is her attitude is towny I do not understand the desire to kill her

[Michelle]

Do we actually think it’s porscha

I don't think so

Do you have reads?

[Michelle]

One last post before work for you @Roxy

Not a cop out, genuinely want to play the game with you all and day 1 (in my opinion) is the most inconsequential day to vote off someone who isnt even here. Especially someone who literally checked in to confirm playing and had this far been away. In either case, I’d rather the people with the time and are invested in doing their day 1 sleuthing take the reins. My vote stays, I’ll check back with yall after work

Isn't Darling Monroe in this situation?

[Scotty]

Are you guys reading the same game that I’m not?

Oh have you read the game? Wouldn't know it from your contributions today

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I can't shake the feeling she TMIed Scotty town and I don't like how she dropped the Scotty read.

I could do this too depending on what she or sig says later on.

Porscha is good

Do not take her away from me

por que

She's town i dunno she just is her attitude is towny I do not understand the desire to kill her

sorry, i'm gonna need more insight than just 'trust me bro'

[S~V~S]

Ok so only daisy and pyx have not posted yet. Hopefully Epi is prodding them but I am unsure bc of Porcha's intro post.

Not seeing anything wrong with Scotty and his questioning/posting.

Not seeing sig as sk at all.

Actually it's very early for me to mention anything so I am done now.

Never too early!

What do you make of SVS’ notation of my posting? I think yall have more of a history and would be able to read each other better than I do.

I also would like to get the whole gang in here and have a party with pyx and saisy

I'm a little surprised you dropped the SVS sus here, but maybe I'm being too critical, as you literally say it's an observation

feels like fakery between you and SVS

If you want to see Scotty and I commit fakery, go look at Ted Lasso. I'll wait.

I tried some standard "calling him out on minor issue as distancing" early on, and he actually started acting like a towny. I had no choice but to defend myself as lightly as I could, but he kept coming. I was deer in the headlights, didn't know what to do, and I prolly made my chatroom a hell for the other members of our team, Michelle and Thunal, with my bitching about it. I'm usually a pretty fun BTS partner, but that game i was a whiny bitch, no lie. It was a semi traumatic (mafia wise, not reality wise lol) experience for me, and I'm fairly sure the rest of our team knows it. Maybe it was for him, too he hadn't been bad in years iirc, and i can be fairly rigid and obsessive and Drama Queenish when I'm upset. Most def Drama Queenish.

I know this is WiFom, but if I'm bad with him again, the last thing I',m doing is throwing out some semi provocative remark at him as distancing since I know up close and personal how he reacts to it. If I'm bad, and he's not my teammate, I'm not doing it either, since, again, I know how he reacts to it. Nope nope nope, not touching him in thread with a ten foot pole.

Like i said, it's all WiFom, but it is the Gods honest truth. And I would think he knows it if he thinks about it.

K gotta catch up and read back, I've only skimmed the last page so far.

what if youre bad and he's town? :3c

[Scotty]

I believe there are probably ~4 mafia.

Michelle and Abbi and now TSP are pushing against Porscha here near EoD. I don't know what to make of that, but those aren't all mafia voices defending their teammate.

I just need help.

Because ok, let me step back. Porscha has played rather messy this game. I don't remember Porscha's meta if she has any. But it's been a bit emotionally reactive for my taste. And a good amount of lol's thrown in. Is that town?

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I can't shake the feeling she TMIed Scotty town and I don't like how she dropped the Scotty read.

I could do this too depending on what she or sig says later on.

What about what they said up until now? I feel like that behavior is already rather telling

She was also in my red list, I would move to avoid a tie, consolidate to take a concept from Assassins.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Are you guys reading the same game that I’m not?

Well I'm vocally against Porscha

Not helping

[Scotty]

Ok so only daisy and pyx have not posted yet. Hopefully Epi is prodding them but I am unsure bc of Porcha's intro post.

Not seeing anything wrong with Scotty and his questioning/posting.

Not seeing sig as sk at all.

Actually it's very early for me to mention anything so I am done now.

Never too early!

What do you make of SVS’ notation of my posting? I think yall have more of a history and would be able to read each other better than I do.

I also would like to get the whole gang in here and have a party with pyx and saisy

I'm a little surprised you dropped the SVS sus here, but maybe I'm being too critical, as you literally say it's an observation

feels like fakery between you and SVS

If you want to see Scotty and I commit fakery, go look at Ted Lasso. I'll wait.

I tried some standard "calling him out on minor issue as distancing" early on, and he actually started acting like a towny. I had no choice but to defend myself as lightly as I could, but he kept coming. I was deer in the headlights, didn't know what to do, and I prolly made my chatroom a hell for the other members of our team, Michelle and Thunal, with my bitching about it. I'm usually a pretty fun BTS partner, but that game i was a whiny bitch, no lie. It was a semi traumatic (mafia wise, not reality wise lol) experience for me, and I'm fairly sure the rest of our team knows it. Maybe it was for him, too he hadn't been bad in years iirc, and i can be fairly rigid and obsessive and Drama Queenish when I'm upset. Most def Drama Queenish.

I know this is WiFom, but if I'm bad with him again, the last thing I',m doing is throwing out some semi provocative remark at him as distancing since I know up close and personal how he reacts to it. If I'm bad, and he's not my teammate, I'm not doing it either, since, again, I know how he reacts to it. Nope nope nope, not touching him in thread with a ten foot pole.

Like i said, it's all WiFom, but it is the Gods honest truth. And I would think he knows it if he thinks about it.

K gotta catch up and read back, I've only skimmed the last page so far.

what if youre bad and he's town? :3c

ok and see this is a comment that continues to feel like Porscha is just slinging mud.

sec, need to go look at some previous games real quick

[S~V~S]

Scotty feels like he’s trying too hard to find reads.

This is not really AI to me, just thought I’d note it.

My suspicion started here. It was wishy washy and I didn't like it.
Mafia tend to throw a suspicion backtracking in the same time.
Of course I didn't remember the exact moment and post and if you want to push me for bad memory, be my guest.

And you are one of the best and natural wolves I played with. I have to pay attention to you and force everyone to scrutinize you if I have a suspicion.
Your reads look well. But a good wolf can post good reads.

I will continue with the iso

Yeah Scotty called me out for the same exact reasoning, and we talked it out.

So this is the bad vibes?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I tend to remember Porsche having some difficulty as mafia and starting off smoothly here. I don’t know about the last 10 pages or so

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don’t like Scotty saying he doesn’t remember Porsche’s meta for some reason tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Are you guys reading the same game that I’m not?

Oh have you read the game? Wouldn't know it from your contributions today

No I just said in this post that I am not reading the game I’ve been at “work” all day

[S~V~S]

Good M~O~O~O~O~O~O~O~O~R~N~I~N~G~

Wait, did I miss the part where wilgy says that he is “definitely a doctor” or???


You know this is good enough reason for today. Let’s mix it up, let’s be aggressive [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Also, hello to people I have not played with before!
@Cape90
@DarlingMonroe
@Lime Coke
@pyxxy

I’m the guy that dies usually, so I hope to stick around long enough this game to know you all better

hello! nice to meet you!

in brief, why do you usually die early? innoculate me

Just as luck would have it. I’ve never been the best deducer or strategist, but when I last checked in like 2021 or something I had a 70% chance of dying (and winning) as town or something like that, which also coincided with a above average town win rate oddly enough.

I’m just a little guy, rusty at mafia at best, and I honestly forgot I even won a game last year lol

I’m not sure how this answers the question asked?

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

I can't shake the feeling she TMIed Scotty town and I don't like how she dropped the Scotty read.

I could do this too depending on what she or sig says later on.

What about what they said up until now? I feel like that behavior is already rather telling

I misunderstood this when I replied a few minutes ago (I think).

It’s day 1, sig is a fairly low poster. Things can change fairly easily. Like Michelle’s question to Rox about me and LC; that notched her out of my orange into my green. She believes it, imo.

[Scotty]

I don’t like Scotty saying he doesn’t remember Porsche’s meta for some reason tbh

My man, I have a terrible memory. I talk about it a lot

I tend to remember Porsche having some difficulty as mafia and starting off smoothly here. I don’t know about the last 10 pages or so

So! There may be some validity to that. I went back to Apathy mafia (which was played like 1.5 years ago when the pyramids were still being built) and she lolcatted the entire time before being D1'd as wolf. Very different here. She's a bit reactive but is actually putting out reads

Any one else have an thoughts about wolf Porscha and I'll pass you the mic

[S~V~S]

@Long Con and @DrWilgy
Still feeling your Michelle vote? I am curious cause she’s a contending wagon and I don’t think she’s bad.

I’ll go read to see why you voted for her.

[Scotty]

Caught up but it isn't sticking, probs due to the fact I am a 4 year Olds best friend and I thoroughly enjoy every minute.

W hile I an unsure of sig I have a vibe he is probs town poss 3p but unlikely. He should however know (bc we have played many times) I post however I want to as town or bad. The noble smiley is one of my faves. Reminds me of my old dog Bear. Not voting sig.

Thunal feels different tone wise to me. I have gotten her wrong before but I have also been right. I want to just give her time bc it feels like she hardly plays anymore.

Porscha wow. You are all over the map. You have sussed people then cleared them, buddying up the thread. I've missed you and your energy in games I have played but I could vote here.

Sprityo your Darling vote is a cop out with all that is in the thread. I despise D1 low poster votes just bc they cba'ed to have opinions on things that are in the thread. I am also 98% sure low poster votes d 1 lead to much towny sadness whenI have seen them. Voting here vote sprityo

Also decided not to really comment on Capes vote for me bc he really does not know me plus the fact I really don't give a care bc Ariya is here

this pop in feels very phoned in. Like a collect call. I get you're busy with fam, just calling this post out like I see it, and I see a bit of player salad. Especially considering you said of porscha, who is leading, 'i could vote there' and then heading straight to sprityo, a vanity wagon.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

feeeeeeels off

[Thunal33]

I don’t like Scotty saying he doesn’t remember Porsche’s meta for some reason tbh

My man, I have a terrible memory. I talk about it a lot

I tend to remember Porsche having some difficulty as mafia and starting off smoothly here. I don’t know about the last 10 pages or so

So! There may be some validity to that. I went back to Apathy mafia (which was played like 1.5 years ago when the pyramids were still being built) and she lolcatted the entire time before being D1'd as wolf. Very different here. She's a bit reactive but is actually putting out reads

Any one else have an thoughts about wolf Porscha and I'll pass you the mic

She snowed me until f5 here: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/49014 (I was Spellblade)

I ended up catching her on lylo specific stuff and she was pretty consensus town d1.

[S~V~S]

13) Claiming is legal. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. FAFO.

I have reason to believe Michelle is the king. We should protect Michelle at all costs, yall

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

You came back to ask why Porscha had votes but didn’t change this obvs (I think) joke vote?

[Scotty]

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You may select 1 option


Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
20%
Voters: Scotty, sprityo
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
10%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
20%
Voters: Long Con, DrWilgy
Porscha
1
10%
Voters: falcon45ca
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
10%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sequence (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
30%
Voters: Syn, nutella, Epignosis
Total votes: 10

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Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
1
8%
Voters: sprityo
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
8%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
17%
Voters: Long Con, DrWilgy
Porscha
2
17%
Voters: Scotty, falcon45ca
☆Princess Abigail☆
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
1
8%
Voters: Michelle
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
17%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, Thunal33
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

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You may select 1 option


Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
1
6%
Voters: sprityo
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
6%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
13%
Voters: Long Con, DrWilgy
Porscha
3
19%
Voters: Scotty, Thunal33, falcon45ca
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
6%
Voters: pyxxy
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
1
6%
Voters: Cape90
S~V~S
1
6%
Voters: Michelle
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
13%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, S~V~S
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
1
6%
Voters: Roxy
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sequence (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
19%
Voters: Syn, nutella, Epignosis
Total votes: 16

VS 4 way tie...

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Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
1
6%
Voters: sprityo
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
6%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
13%
Voters: Long Con, DrWilgy
Porscha
2
13%
Voters: Thunal33, falcon45ca
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
6%
Voters: pyxxy
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
2
13%
Voters: Cape90, Scotty
S~V~S
1
6%
Voters: Michelle
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
13%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, S~V~S
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
sprityo
1
6%
Voters: Roxy
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None