The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

[Porscha]

okay posting didn't feel bad, that's a good thing

I don't think my juice is back, but I guess I'm back, and we can work with that

good to see y'all

hi pyx

why would posting feel bad?

my last memory of syndicate was me playing when I didn't have the juice, which was a metaphor for not really feeling it and not enjoying mafia

also had a shit diplomacy game a few months ago and I'm in a phase of wondering if online posting makes me act meaner than is good

so wasn't sure how coming back for goc would feel

You need engagement. Everyone, pyxxy needs engagement, so please direct some questions and conversations pyxxy's way. This is the cure for juicelessness.

pyxxy, Michelle and I went back and forth about her stated reasons for giving Abigail a townread. She gave a couple of loose reasons to townread Abbi, and, in my opinion, those reasons don't match thread history.

Yeah I'm less worried that I think he's likely wrong, more worried about how the conclusion seems kind of contrived /random/unnatural

On a scale of 1-10, what are the chances that I'm voting for Michelle based on subjective minutiae that I see as a red flag?

what I remember of you is that you're a miskill target for always voicing your opinion, even when it doesn't make sense to others

voting for michelle lines up with that perfectly, although I saw that Porscha doesnt' townread Michelle and that was in response to someone maybe assuming that Porscha did townread Michelle? which made me blink because I had also assumed for some reason that Porscha townread Michelle, so the correction was a good post, unless it's Porscha preemtively avoiding blame for a town Michelle flip, because posting about it would at least keep Michelle's name in the active conversation and that's how people die

which is to say...one in you Porscha Michelle?

This post feels weird. I don't think having one in LC Porscha Michelle is a natural conclusion and I'm worried about that group having all town.

[Roxy]

I still do suspect you Porscha. For what I said that you feel isn't a good enough explanation. It was just how fast you suspected and cleared people.

Also I felt that maybe you were being saved as I was being voted for BEFORE the CFD that happened at EoD 1.

[nutella]

barely here but
roxy moving up
porscha moving down

[Porscha]

Kinda feel like ur read of me @S~V~S is bad lol

Not accurate at all

Youre in my POE to be sure, and while at one point you were most sus to me, I never actually voted for you, even when you were a viable wagon and Scotty poked me about why I hadn’t. I was on the sig wagon.

I’m a bit botd here since I went and looked at Hod Dog fingers, and it wasn’t as overt as I recalled it being.

I ask about Wilgy and TSP since they both came in when you had a lot of votes and questioned why YOU had votes, but not anyone else who had votes.

I seriously doubt that a team consisting of you, TSP and Wilgy would act that way lol, but I had to ask your thoughts on it.

I'm kind of surprised they had much to say about it, I dunno how much either of them had read during the day. Hard for me to have much of an opinion, I don't think either have played with wolf me recently and just ~assume~ I'm in town meta or something. Cuz idk why they'd defend me otherwise if they were wolfing, thread was pushing into me

[Porscha]

Caught up but it isn't sticking, probs due to the fact I am a 4 year Olds best friend and I thoroughly enjoy every minute.

W hile I an unsure of sig I have a vibe he is probs town poss 3p but unlikely. He should however know (bc we have played many times) I post however I want to as town or bad. The noble smiley is one of my faves. Reminds me of my old dog Bear. Not voting sig.

Thunal feels different tone wise to me. I have gotten her wrong before but I have also been right. I want to just give her time bc it feels like she hardly plays anymore.

Porscha wow. You are all over the map. You have sussed people then cleared them, buddying up the thread. I've missed you and your energy in games I have played but I could vote here.

Sprityo your Darling vote is a cop out with all that is in the thread. I despise D1 low poster votes just bc they cba'ed to have opinions on things that are in the thread. I am also 98% sure low poster votes d 1 lead to much towny sadness whenI have seen them. Voting here vote sprityo

Also decided not to really comment on Capes vote for me bc he really does not know me plus the fact I really don't give a care bc Ariya is here

this pop in feels very phoned in. Like a collect call. I get you're busy with fam, just calling this post out like I see it, and I see a bit of player salad. Especially considering you said of porscha, who is leading, 'i could vote there' and then heading straight to sprityo, a vanity wagon.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

feeeeeeels off

very torn between agreeing with this read and calling it fake lol

crazy how you just sub in and instantly clear yourself with 1 post lol

How is that clearing?

I changed my mind after I said it and she didn't respond to it but still suggested I was wolfing lol

wat
I put you in light town pile

That's sweet lol, but I meant you didn't interact with me directly and I'm pretty sure (?) You floated the idea I could be w/w with Roxy or something lol (could have been someone else, I'm popping in and out of thread a lot, sorry in advance if you weren't in that convo)

[Porscha]

@Michelle

You seem to know what your role does, I don’t. I roll dice and get a number. Can’t get the same # twice.

The relation of my roll and the color ranks on my list could totally be coincidence. But still my guess is we have a lot of poll manips so it might be smart to avoid ties and too much vote spreading if possible when voting.

Probably a good idea, there were a few vote manip roles in Napoleon Dynamite. I don't think I've ever seen someone's readslist have mechanical importance? (except for Roxy's tiebreak lists, but she knew what she was doing with those)

Please explain to me what I knew what I was doing? What a way to sling mud without actually doing it. No quotes, no proof just shade. My what a big oak tree you became.

I don't think this was mud slinging or shade at all?

[Porscha]

Hm
Okay I think Roxy is just town here

since I clarified?

Wow that was a bit quick.

You just feel towny on this page

Agreed. After reading all of Roxy’s posts on this page, she is just town town town. The feistiness, the progressions.

Thunal….i have a read developing. It’s very safe and although I agreed with her D1 votes almost lockstep, it still all feels so safe and not as ready to jump in the egg patch, so to speak.

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Who the hell tryna jump into the egg patch? Lmao

Is your read safe, or is thunals play safe?

[Porscha]

Um ok idk what happened to my response to thunals post about pyxxy putting me scotty and Michelle into a rule of 3, 1 wolf scenario and that post isn't being friendly for my mobile work around, so I agree that ... I don't like the conclusion because it feels contrived, a bit of an unnatural thought (?), and I'm less worried that he's incorrect and more worried about how he got there

[Porscha]

I still do suspect you Porscha. For what I said that you feel isn't a good enough explanation. It was just how fast you suspected and cleared people.

Also I felt that maybe you were being saved as I was being voted for BEFORE the CFD that happened at EoD 1.

Yeah abbi undoubtedly saved me. Lol

And ok, thanks for explaining

What's wolfy about changing reads? Just worried i have TMI from how fast i was doing it?

[Porscha]

barely here but
roxy moving up
porscha moving down

Roxy should move up

But it shouldn't be predicated on me moving down

Why me move down

[nutella]

mostly p950 rubbed me the wrong way in your approach to roxy, like not committing to wolfreading her but not treating her in particularly good faith

[Porscha]

mostly p950 rubbed me the wrong way in your approach to roxy, like not committing to wolfreading her but not treating her in particularly good faith

One might say I am trying to work with her on her read of me to figure out where it's coming from and if it's towny or not

I don't scumread her

and my question was at worst in neutral faith, all it did was request that she elaborate more, since her initial post about me had some mental jumps that she hadn't written down

[Scotty]

Hm
Okay I think Roxy is just town here

since I clarified?

Wow that was a bit quick.

You just feel towny on this page

Agreed. After reading all of Roxy’s posts on this page, she is just town town town. The feistiness, the progressions.

Thunal….i have a read developing. It’s very safe and although I agreed with her D1 votes almost lockstep, it still all feels so safe and not as ready to jump in the egg patch, so to speak.

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Who the hell tryna jump into the egg patch? Lmao

Is your read safe, or is thunals play safe?

There’s nothing safe about doing an about-face suspicion on thunal, where I actually town read her yesterday. Prettttty unsafe if I’m wrong

[TonyStarkPrime]

mostly p950 rubbed me the wrong way in your approach to roxy, like not committing to wolfreading her but not treating her in particularly good faith

Eh here’s the reality of the situation — Thunal doesn’t have much of a choice. There’s motivated reasoning. Pyxxy isn’t really present, SVS is clearly town. In Thunal’s shoes you’re forced into the read. It’s like F3 when you’re about to get crossed.

[TonyStarkPrime]

And… I mixed up thunal and porscha

[TonyStarkPrime]

I withdraw everything I said

[Porscha]

Hm
Okay I think Roxy is just town here

since I clarified?

Wow that was a bit quick.

You just feel towny on this page

Agreed. After reading all of Roxy’s posts on this page, she is just town town town. The feistiness, the progressions.

Thunal….i have a read developing. It’s very safe and although I agreed with her D1 votes almost lockstep, it still all feels so safe and not as ready to jump in the egg patch, so to speak.
[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Who the hell tryna jump into the egg patch? Lmao

Is your read safe, or is thunals play safe?

There’s nothing safe about doing an about-face suspicion on thunal, where I actually town read her yesterday. Prettttty unsafe if I’m wrong

What lol? I'm asking you to clarify your own post (please) where you used the word "safe" multiple times

[Porscha]

I withdraw everything I said

Big plays from tsp

[Scotty]

Hm
Okay I think Roxy is just town here

since I clarified?

Wow that was a bit quick.

You just feel towny on this page

Agreed. After reading all of Roxy’s posts on this page, she is just town town town. The feistiness, the progressions.

Thunal….i have a read developing. It’s very safe and although I agreed with her D1 votes almost lockstep, it still all feels so safe and not as ready to jump in the egg patch, so to speak.
[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Who the hell tryna jump into the egg patch? Lmao

Is your read safe, or is thunals play safe?

There’s nothing safe about doing an about-face suspicion on thunal, where I actually town read her yesterday. Prettttty unsafe if I’m wrong

What lol? I'm asking you to clarify your own post (please) where you used the word "safe" multiple times

Thunal’s approach isn’t making waves. It appears she is coming to conclusions that feel talked about already. Me nodding along to this post at end of day, for instance:

Atm my PoE is kind of boring. Sig, Roxy, Lime, Wilgy, and DM I'd consider PoE.

The keyword there is ‘boring’. Nothing safer than making a POE of the lowest posters.

I can’t think of contrarian POV’s she’s posited this game, really. Not that that’s mafia-indicative, but I think I have a recency bias coming off her Napoleon Dynamite game (town) where she was less hesitant to make needling reads, leading to a far messier result and often times was even apologetic for said messiness.

[Thunal33]

since I clarified?

Wow that was a bit quick.

You just feel towny on this page

Agreed. After reading all of Roxy’s posts on this page, she is just town town town. The feistiness, the progressions.

Thunal….i have a read developing. It’s very safe and although I agreed with her D1 votes almost lockstep, it still all feels so safe and not as ready to jump in the egg patch, so to speak.
[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Who the hell tryna jump into the egg patch? Lmao

Is your read safe, or is thunals play safe?

There’s nothing safe about doing an about-face suspicion on thunal, where I actually town read her yesterday. Prettttty unsafe if I’m wrong

What lol? I'm asking you to clarify your own post (please) where you used the word "safe" multiple times

Thunal’s approach isn’t making waves. It appears she is coming to conclusions that feel talked about already. Me nodding along to this post at end of day, for instance:

Atm my PoE is kind of boring. Sig, Roxy, Lime, Wilgy, and DM I'd consider PoE.

The keyword there is ‘boring’. Nothing safer than making a POE of the lowest posters.

I can’t think of contrarian POV’s she’s posited this game, really. Not that that’s mafia-indicative, but I think I have a recency bias coming off her Napoleon Dynamite game (town) where she was less hesitant to make needling reads, leading to a far messier result and often times was even apologetic for said messiness.

Again, I haven't had contrarian POVs this game and sometimes that's how the chips fall.

I also was being intentionally UTR day 1 for good reason. My takes are all very much real but I didn't want to be the loud voice pushing them when thread consensus was headed that way anyway.

[Thunal33]

I'm moving TSP into town lean.

[Thunal33]

Scotty feels like he’s trying too hard to find reads.

This is not really AI to me, just thought I’d note it.

Then why bring it up if you don’t actually suspect me for it?

This sounds like dropping potential breadcrumbs so you can come back later and be like ‘well, I did find it weird at the time’

I’m saying what the thread makes me feel you generally resd as somewhat combative to me, this just feels like you’re looking for things to find bad rather than noticing them, if it makes sense.

And it’s totally possible I might come back to it, based on how you respond to it. It’s the only thing that’s happened so far that stands out to me.

hm. hm. hmhmhmhmhm. i think scotty is notably the towniest player in the thread up until this point lol. not sure where this anti scotty rhetoric is coming from. don't think all 4 players involved are wolves, but it's just like. idk. really blase responses to him lol

Rather quick defense of Scotty, no?



He has one vote...



SOMEBODY SAVE SCOTTY, FOR THE LOOVE OF GODDDDDDDDD!!! - porscha

ok but in seriousness (lol) I'm not worried about scotty having votes... the players in the thread were just constantly pushing back on him (except long con i think, who took the opportunity to apply pressure to svs for the "not ai just noting" remark (understandable as either alignment tho so meh lol))

This is the lingering thing that worries me about Porscha even though I think some of her other posts were towny. This sort of putting people who were suspecting Scotty in the same pile and having similar responses to all of them.

I still maintain that her wolf game is almost looking for susses while here she's more generous to people and that's the big thing that made me pivot on her.

[Thunal33]

however I think you're wrong to be concerned that scotty would looked paired with you. not saying feelings invalid or anything, certainly posting these things make you look much more isolated in the thread. which oddly enough makes me question abby's thread vibing. sorry if this train doesn't make sense I'm only awake at 3am to make sure my friends got on the bus. [VOTE: abby] aubergine gn y'all ttyl

Not really a big fan of all the qualifiers in this post. "not saying feelings invalid" "oddly enough" "sorry if it doesn't make sense"

[Thunal33]

TSP being sort of towny means that the Lime flash wagon was probably town motivated unless my reads are horribly wrong.

[Thunal33]

Scotty
SVS
Cape
Michelle

Abi
Roxy
TSP
Long Con

Porscha
nutella
Falcon

sprityo
DM
Wilgy
pyxxy
sig

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Who tried but nobody died?
Poll runs till Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


pyxxy
1
20%
Voters: Thunal33
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
2
40%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Scotty
Chicken Masks FTW (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
2
40%
Voters: Syn, Epignosis
Total votes: 5

VC

We still have more than 24 hours

[DrWilgy]

A smaller voting pool is convenient for catching up.

Pyx's iso is bleh. I don't like that there was a dichotomy observed between LongusCongus/Porscha/Michelle with Abi as the center and no further exploration beyond that a vote for Abigail. I don't know the vote records at the time, so maybe it was the only of the four available, but I wish there was more thread exploration there.

[DrWilgy]

Roxy D1 is lighter than I normally expect, but a lot of feel based responses to the thread. Normally fine and a splash of No U between Rox and Porscha.

Roxy D2 some speculation on the polls and more on Porscha. Roxy/Porscha is a thing, but I don't know how it pans out. Roxy's thoughts on the poll are interesting, but I tread into WIFOM there.

I'd like more from Roxy, but nothing's inherently wolfy nor is it certifiably towny Roxy. I'm used to Roxy's big breakdown thoughts, but maybe we aren't there yet?

[DrWilgy]

Oh no. SVS has 2 pages.

[DrWilgy]

Damn, Thunal too.

Pyx > Rox
? SVS
? Thun

Will resume after bathtime.

[Scotty]

Damn, Thunal too.

Pyx > Rox
? SVS
? Thun

Will resume after bathtime.

Catch up in the bath! I shower with my phone all the time

[pyxxy]

catching up

[nutella]

hmmm

[nutella]

Scotty
SVS
Cape
Michelle

Abi
Roxy
TSP
Long Con

Porscha
nutella
Falcon

sprityo
DM
Wilgy
pyxxy
sig

i can't help but think that your contributions have been really "safe" as scotty has said

but maybe the game is just easy and the safe takes are right

i don't really follow your progression on porscha though

[nutella]

maybe tsp/thunal/porscha are just all wolves together LMAO

[pyxxy]

something something "wow poll" back to reading

[Thunal33]

Scotty
SVS
Cape
Michelle

Abi
Roxy
TSP
Long Con

Porscha
nutella
Falcon

sprityo
DM
Wilgy
pyxxy
sig

i can't help but think that your contributions have been really "safe" as scotty has said

but maybe the game is just easy and the safe takes are right

i don't really follow your progression on porscha though

I tried to detail it, but it was that I thought her grouping the Scotty naysayers together and thinking of blanket suspecting them was wolfy. I still kind of think so, but I looked at her wolf game that I played against her where she couldn’t seem to resist shading people, and there were times this game where I feel she would have jumped on something as a wolf but didn’t. Like her thinking Sig’s posts were wolfy but giving him time because he’s a common ML.

I get heat every other game for being safe because sometimes I just think the game is easy. I’m pretty confident in my top four townreads being town. If you search my games there are plenty of town games where I’ve been “safe” and consensus because that’s what I believe.

[pyxxy]

@Michelle

You seem to know what your role does, I don’t. I roll dice and get a number. Can’t get the same # twice.

The relation of my roll and the color ranks on my list could totally be coincidence. But still my guess is we have a lot of poll manips so it might be smart to avoid ties and too much vote spreading if possible when voting.

what are some poll manips that you've seen before, so that it might help me understand why the poll selections were made
e.g. +1 vote, -1 vote...would voting for one person get redirected onto someone else?, oh I think I've seen immunity before even if they win the poll the next highest gets chopped
-- is that roughly what you're thinking we need to watch out for?

I'm heavily inclined to think this power was used by a town, although ripping it voluntarily on N1 seems a bit risky, as Michelle said re: her own experience.

However your numbers theory doesn't click for me. Feels like when I have the right pieces for a puzzle hunt but I'm solving it completely wrong.

[pyxxy]

Overnight I suspected TSP for the vote but thinking better I don't know if his play matches scum!TSP behaviour.

I expect scum to be more manipulative about their play, but TSP is just vibing imo.

What everyone thinks?

I read TSP entirely on activity and vibes, and he's passing my vibes check rn

[pyxxy]

The only odd one out on the poll is thunal

how am I odd?

going to hold off so we can wait for a claim or anyone else to share some wild theories but I think this is pretty level 1.

do you have any theories?

I have a wild theory that it could have to do with who we targeted at night.

Or it's just a 1-shot town role who can pick 4 people.

let's talk mech at some point, but not right now

[pyxxy]

The only odd one out on the poll is thunal

how am I odd?

going to hold off so we can wait for a claim or anyone else to share some wild theories but I think this is pretty level 1.

do you have any theories?

I have a wild theory that it could have to do with who we targeted at night.

Or it's just a 1-shot town role who can pick 4 people.

This si not a town role at least bI hope not.

it's a mafia/baddie role let me explain my thought process:

Why would a towny limit conversation? They wouldn't. Mafia would. They hate daytime talk and if they can narrow the focus then they have more control of the vote.

If I was towny and this was my role I would NEVER use it. It would be too limiting for the town.

would you use it if the role power guaranteed at least 1 mafia in the poll?

this is a hypothetical but trust that I have a reason for asking beyond reading you

[Thunal33]

I would probably use it as town and save it for when I thought the game was going on the wrong track.

[Thunal33]

@pyxxy who do you suspect right now in the poll? Because I feel like I have to vote you because I want to save myself and I townread Roxy and SVS. Do you suspect either of those?

[Scotty]

catching up

are you also in the bath?

[pyxxy]

my catchup notes:

viewtopic.php?p=1128008#p1128008
- Michelle on Cape reading wrong: I read it wrong too and haven't seen game names since I've been gone for ~11 months
- I tr Michelle for picking up this point against Cape
- I don't put it past Cape to post the misreading in place of real solving, or at least to start the day off looking active

viewtopic.php?p=1128018#p1128018
- Cape talking about Wilgy, I don't remember Wilgy doing anything of note on D1, scum Wiggles is a lurker until he needs to run the show from what I remember


I can't say that I've ever played with scum Nutella, that said, her sub entrance seems towny and has effort

DM is in this game???? I thought her post on D1 was in green for off-topic

TSP caring is a good sign

SVS numbers makes no goddamn sense, no offense to SVS. was there a N1 poll that I missed?

viewtopic.php?p=1128205#p1128205
I disagree on Cape being town. I've had scum Cape fool me before. The rest I am cool with, post-catch up. I say this being aware that as TSP said and retracted, this forces a F3-esque situation. To which I say: Bleh.

[Thunal33]

Imagine if it is 4 town and mafia are taking a load off. I’m kind of wondering if it was a setup to get Roxy killed that probably isn’t going to work.

I’m still annoyed I’m in the poll. I was going to continue being more of a supporting voice and live near the middle in people’s reads but being in the poll made that impossible.

[Thunal33]

Imagine if it is 4 town and mafia are taking a load off. I’m kind of wondering if it was a setup to get Roxy killed that probably isn’t going to work.

I’m still annoyed I’m in the poll. I was going to continue being more of a supporting voice and live near the middle in people’s reads but being in the poll made that impossible.

fwiw I’m leaning towards a town role as well because it would be OP as mafia and also mafia should wait to use it until late game. I’m also assuming it’s 1 shot.

[Scotty]

Imagine if it is 4 town and mafia are taking a load off. I’m kind of wondering if it was a setup to get Roxy killed that probably isn’t going to work.

I’m still annoyed I’m in the poll. I was going to continue being more of a supporting voice and live near the middle in people’s reads but being in the poll made that impossible.

Here’s my problem with that- it’s too much chance for the WIFOM to turn into GJIFOM (grape juice in front of me)

If this is the case, mafia just gave us 4 clears.

Too much risk. Not a chance

[Thunal33]

Imagine if it is 4 town and mafia are taking a load off. I’m kind of wondering if it was a setup to get Roxy killed that probably isn’t going to work.

I’m still annoyed I’m in the poll. I was going to continue being more of a supporting voice and live near the middle in people’s reads but being in the poll made that impossible.

Here’s my problem with that- it’s too much chance for the WIFOM to turn into GJIFOM (grape juice in front of me)

If this is the case, mafia just gave us 4 clears.

Too much risk. Not a chance

I’m more thinking of the case of a wrong town picking people.

[pyxxy]

@pyxxy who do you suspect right now in the poll? Because I feel like I have to vote you because I want to save myself and I townread Roxy and SVS. Do you suspect either of those?

it depends on how I think the mech works

I townread SVS so let's just drop her from the conversation. yes her numbers thing doesn't click with me, I don't think that's indicative

Roxy's inclusion and subsequent activity in the thread reads as someone surprised that she has to fight to live today. meaning overnight, if Roxy is scum, mafia felt pretty comfortable in how they were controlling the thread, and had today really shake things up

so I suspect Roxy

however I have a smaller % of curiosity about mech, and how you talked about it. I want more votes on the board first before we get lost in a mech rabbit hole.

my mech theory were Roxy is scum is more likely than my mech theory where we're all town

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine