The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

[Cape90]

I hope to see sig and PA check in, I think at least one of those is town. Would be wild if both are mafia and one of them used this role and then towny infighting became a thing.

Surely that's not what's going on

Right?


...right...?

[Cape90]

Well if Thunal claims anything specific ping me, this may or may not be important

Same with pyxxy, though it doesn't appear he seems too phased by Thunals prot claim

Later

[Thunal33]

I hope to see sig and PA check in, I think at least one of those is town. Would be wild if both are mafia and one of them used this role and then towny infighting became a thing.

Surely that's not what's going on

Right?


...right...?

Sig briefly checked in. Abi is probably silenced because her going radio silent is really weird for her no matter her alignment. Same with Long Con.

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I don't think it's pyxxy anymore. It probably took me longer than it should have to move off of him, but I kept having trouble acting.

But you do think it’s Roxy?

[DrWilgy]

Thunal D1, is a mixed bag. I think there's some 'fire from the hip' that I'm having difficulty reading deeply into.

I like the read on Sig. I don't like the Porscha vote. Porscha 'TMI'ing Scotty is only possible if Thunal is correct in their Scotty read which was early and not really elaborated on, so what's missing here is how can Thunal be just 'correct' on scotty enough to the point to presume TMI. I don't get the Cape townlean.

Thunal D2, the rainbow list, with exception to Porscha, feels like it matches the post count numbers. This reflect's Scotty's take on it being safe, but to Thunal's credit, if the thread feels towny or 'easy' then that's fine.

What I don't like is Thunal collaborating with Pyx in spite of Pyx being PoE and orange. Feels bad, why not just go after PoE?

OMGUS with nut is fine.

Thunal is odd. I really don't like the Porscha interaction and REALLY don't like the Pyx collab this cycle. However, if the game is 'easy' most things are at least within reason (but not the pyx collab request, that urks me. Feels like a scared wolf.)

I’m always looking to prove myself wrong so I collaborate with people in my PoE a lot. I really don’t have a lot of confidence this game outside of a few townreads.

Is that not contrary to it being easy though?

[DrWilgy]

my catchup notes:

viewtopic.php?p=1128008#p1128008
- Michelle on Cape reading wrong: I read it wrong too and haven't seen game names since I've been gone for ~11 months
- I tr Michelle for picking up this point against Cape
- I don't put it past Cape to post the misreading in place of real solving, or at least to start the day off looking active

viewtopic.php?p=1128018#p1128018
- Cape talking about Wilgy, I don't remember Wilgy doing anything of note on D1, scum Wiggles is a lurker until he needs to run the show from what I remember


I can't say that I've ever played with scum Nutella, that said, her sub entrance seems towny and has effort

DM is in this game???? I thought her post on D1 was in green for off-topic

TSP caring is a good sign

SVS numbers makes no goddamn sense, no offense to SVS. was there a N1 poll that I missed?

viewtopic.phpp=1128205#p1128205
I disagree on Cape being town. I've had scum Cape fool me before. The rest I am cool with, post-catch up. I say this being aware that as TSP said and retracted, this forces a F3-esque situation. To which I say: Bleh.

Sigh this almost always comes from town doesn't it?

I think the poll is 4 town and the one mafia want out is Thunal (probably SVS actually???? but that's just not happening)

If the poll is 4 town, why would mafia worry about *who*?

[sprityo]

don't mean to sound overly harsh Sprityo but like. I have to assume you're scumreading Thunal then?

Potentially, but I would rather believe that they protected someone though. We don’t know what kind of role either so maybe it was a one shot thing

Also I’ve been reading the thread when I can, I simply don’t have much else to say or do in the short minutes I have. This is my last post as I am going in to work so the game is out of my influence for the rest of today.

I keep my vote on Roxy, whoever goes over goes over. The way I am playing seems to be drawing some ire but like, that’s okay. I’ll play and solve how I want to apologies in advance if you die Roxy, especially if you’re town

[DrWilgy]

Not sure how I feel about the mech discussion.

I think it's like half distracting me? I didn't target scotty fwiw

[DrWilgy]

I'm not really down with Cape's takes on us getting snowed and this being a 4 town poll. I don't see how that evolves the gamestate currently.

[sig]

I hope to see sig and PA check in, I think at least one of those is town. Would be wild if both are mafia and one of them used this role and then towny infighting became a thing.

Surely that's not what's going on

Right?


...right...?

Sig is here still not caught up, but is making an effort shortly. I’ve got nothing to do with the current situation.

[sig]

I will say having read nothing this could be a third party power?

We had one flip it’s feasible to have one more, maybe some sort of kill X role style thing

[DrWilgy]

Looking at the vote records in Michelle's ISO and the first clump that normally indicates look here is:
Porscha
3
19%
Voters: Scotty, Thunal33, falcon45ca

I suppose I could parse Porscha and Falcon next. To see if Thunal is one within this group.

Further it is very weird to me that Pyx and Thunal aren't crossed given the votes so far.

[sig]

Vote: sig

Finally a wagon i can get behind

Preface: we should not do a D1 sig yeet. History says it’s a bad idea and this is not the vision of success if we are wrong.

But I’m down to sit here for a bit longee

Very belated OMGUS read for both Scotty and Abi

[sig]

Not much to go on yet, I’m seeing standard entrances from everyone except Wilgy no doctor claim so hmmmm.

If I was hard pressed to find a mafia member I’d say Falcon since he’s always mafia

This feels like a fake thought. Like saying hmm to appear to be thinking.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I agree with this actually.

It’s as if he pulled those reads out of fortune cookies. There isn’t really a link or a strong context of those suspicions beside ‘I’m just gonna name something here’

I just have *strong* memory of sig usually succumbing to the D1 misyeet a lot in the past. Like, I had a mantra that if I think sig is bad, he’s probably good; and if I think he’s good, he’s also probably bad, but also maybe mostly good

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

It’s not a sexy vote but he’s a bit too blendy at this point in the day for my liking and I’m down to roll the dice

When I first read that, it made me think, wow, when was the last time sig played, since I think that kinda used to be the mindset re Falcon, and it really isn't anymore. So I didn't think much of it, but i could see it that way, too, that's he's a vote looking for a safe victim.

It’s legit been a year since I played last game was March 2024.

[DrWilgy]

D1 Falcon gave a readslist

D2 Falcon stuck to the Porscha vote in spite of certain restrictions.

I like this.

[sig]

Random day 1 thoughts based off my catch up

1. Falcon is looking very good he’s a solid civ read.
2. Scotty is engaging and seems civvy
3. Not a fan of this wagon on me, I know it went away, when I had only posted fluff, seems like a safe area for mafia to sit.
4. Abi is probably mafia.
5. SVS is either power wolfing or civ, but I seem to recall she doesn’t power wolf often
6. Michelle has pocketed me
7. I’m civ reading Roxy, which probably means she mafia.
8. What does “snowed by” mean? Why do we keep creating new lingo
9. Thunal EOD 1 POE is horrible. It’s basically low poster/low hanging fruit. Zero chance someone who’s actively hunting isn’t mafia.

[sig]

I’ll add though one of the active solving people is probably mafia.

[sig]

Kinda wanna make this a 3 way tie and see what happens

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I don't think it's pyxxy anymore. It probably took me longer than it should have to move off of him, but I kept having trouble acting.

But you do think it’s Roxy?

I’m not sure. I probably wouldn’t be voting Roxy if the poll weren’t limited.

[Cape90]

I can only speculate, but out of the 4 names, I think if Thunal is town, losing them is the most detrimental to town... I think? Mafia plan stuff like this even if it's 4 town

my catchup notes:

viewtopic.php?p=1128008#p1128008
- Michelle on Cape reading wrong: I read it wrong too and haven't seen game names since I've been gone for ~11 months
- I tr Michelle for picking up this point against Cape
- I don't put it past Cape to post the misreading in place of real solving, or at least to start the day off looking active

viewtopic.php?p=1128018#p1128018
- Cape talking about Wilgy, I don't remember Wilgy doing anything of note on D1, scum Wiggles is a lurker until he needs to run the show from what I remember


I can't say that I've ever played with scum Nutella, that said, her sub entrance seems towny and has effort

DM is in this game???? I thought her post on D1 was in green for off-topic

TSP caring is a good sign

SVS numbers makes no goddamn sense, no offense to SVS. was there a N1 poll that I missed?

viewtopic.phpp=1128205#p1128205
I disagree on Cape being town. I've had scum Cape fool me before. The rest I am cool with, post-catch up. I say this being aware that as TSP said and retracted, this forces a F3-esque situation. To which I say: Bleh.

Sigh this almost always comes from town doesn't it?

I think the poll is 4 town and the one mafia want out is Thunal (probably SVS actually???? but that's just not happening)

If the poll is 4 town, why would mafia worry about *who*?

[Cape90]

Looking at the vote records in Michelle's ISO and the first clump that normally indicates look here is:
Porscha
3
19%
Voters: Scotty, Thunal33, falcon45ca

I suppose I could parse Porscha and Falcon next. To see if Thunal is one within this group.

Further it is very weird to me that Pyx and Thunal aren't crossed given the votes so far.

Yeah I saw you wondering about Porschas wagon day 1. Was there an underlying reason why?

[nutella]

Hm I don't like my Roxy vote

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Had reasons to think a couple of pyxxy's train of thoughts read as towny but those don't trump the towniness of Roxy.

@nutella you seem like you are forcing confidence on your Thunal scum read

Slowing down, Where did your initial townread come from?

ugh idk. my perspective of d1 stuff is still so fuzzy and i guess i thought she seemed fine enough her approach today has just been setting me off so much

i see that she straight up hard-softed something which i. really don't like how she went about it whether it's real or fake but maybe i should back off

[nutella]

my catchup notes:

viewtopic.php?p=1128008#p1128008
- Michelle on Cape reading wrong: I read it wrong too and haven't seen game names since I've been gone for ~11 months
- I tr Michelle for picking up this point against Cape
- I don't put it past Cape to post the misreading in place of real solving, or at least to start the day off looking active

viewtopic.php?p=1128018#p1128018
- Cape talking about Wilgy, I don't remember Wilgy doing anything of note on D1, scum Wiggles is a lurker until he needs to run the show from what I remember


I can't say that I've ever played with scum Nutella, that said, her sub entrance seems towny and has effort

DM is in this game???? I thought her post on D1 was in green for off-topic

TSP caring is a good sign

SVS numbers makes no goddamn sense, no offense to SVS. was there a N1 poll that I missed?

viewtopic.phpp=1128205#p1128205
I disagree on Cape being town. I've had scum Cape fool me before. The rest I am cool with, post-catch up. I say this being aware that as TSP said and retracted, this forces a F3-esque situation. To which I say: Bleh.

Sigh this almost always comes from town doesn't it?

I think the poll is 4 town and the one mafia want out is Thunal (probably SVS actually???? but that's just not happening)

hrm

[sig]

I am not going to be making any sort of lists ever again.

They:

"Don't mean anything"

"Are a word salad"

"She doesn't believe what she is saying"

"It's just blurbs that mean nothing in the context of a game"

"They are scary and cold"

ETC,ETC,ETC


but <3 to all

Okay imma go ahead and town read Roxy lol

[nutella]

You wolf?

I disagree on Cape being town. I've had scum Cape fool me before.

LIMP

Roxy's inclusion and subsequent activity in the thread reads as someone surprised that she has to fight to live today. meaning overnight, if Roxy is scum, mafia felt pretty comfortable in how they were controlling the thread, and had today really shake things up

so I suspect Roxy

The problem with this btw is that Roxy was almost voted out day 1, I led on it. There isn't really a world where Roxy should have felt safe today. If Roxy is scum, I think your town equity goes up based off this comment, if Roxy is town, you sound scummy to me here

idk the acronym meaning for LIMP :<

I don't like that you're setting me up here to be chopped next if Roxy flips green

feels like TMI

Why would Roxy flip green from your POV unless you think SVS might flip red?

I'm trying to understand pyxxy's POV since I thought he might have mech suggesting Roxy wolf, but then he came out saying he was a set up chop after she flipped green so I might have misread. Why do you find that sus?

I do not have mech proving Roxy red else I would drop that.

My reads here are simply that SVS is town, I trust your mech, I know my mech, and that leaves Roxy most likely (in my mech solve) as having been mafia using a power. I don't think she was performing the NK.

why do i want to trust this all of a sudden

[nutella]

You know

This looks like TMI

@pyxxy who do you suspect right now in the poll? Because I feel like I have to vote you because I want to save myself and I townread Roxy and SVS. Do you suspect either of those?

it depends on how I think the mech works

I townread SVS so let's just drop her from the conversation. yes her numbers thing doesn't click with me, I don't think that's indicative

Roxy's inclusion and subsequent activity in the thread reads as someone surprised that she has to fight to live today. meaning overnight, if Roxy is scum, mafia felt pretty comfortable in how they were controlling the thread, and had today really shake things up

so I suspect Roxy

however I have a smaller % of curiosity about mech, and how you talked about it. I want more votes on the board first before we get lost in a mech rabbit hole.

my mech theory were Roxy is scum is more likely than my mech theory where we're all town

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Right, and people surprised they needed to fight today means they didn't know they were the leading wagon at some point yesterday. Which a wolf would know, so it's unlikely she is one to my mind.

This post makes it feel like you're trying to make the thread fit your scenario, rather than trying to make your scenario fit the thread. That way you explained it feels convoluted and not totally sincere.

Imma keep reading, but at this time I'm putting in a vote, [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine I'm totally up to changing it, but as always never know how work is gonna go so might not get a chance to vote later.

Hm I had thought pyxxy's approach to reasoning through stuff looked good but you got me to reread this post and now I am confused by his reasoning yeah

....on what

[sig]

So not voting for Roxy or SVS today.

I’m caught up but can’t promise I retained much from today in fact nothing is really sticking out to me one way or the other.

I’d say gut wise Thunal looks worse.

[nutella]

Scotty
SVS
Cape
Michelle

Abi
Roxy
TSP
Long Con

Porscha
nutella
Falcon

sprityo
DM
Wilgy
pyxxy
sig

i can't help but think that your contributions have been really "safe" as scotty has said

but maybe the game is just easy and the safe takes are right

i don't really follow your progression on porscha though

This is the thing that makes me doubt Nutellas confidence in Thunal

same brother

[sig]

The mech talk right now makes zero sense and makes me very suspicious of people trying to mech scum read one of the four without giving any real reasoning

[nutella]

request into the ether, if the Day 0 post with everyone's ISOs could be edited to include Nutella's now, that would be nice

*severance theme music plays*

[nutella]

What are you?

Alluding to some unknown mechs doesn't help anyone.

Fwiw I don't know what the mech reason would be other than "we all targeted the same person" which was my idea, and pyxxy didn't want me to throw that out.

What is this ‘target the same person’ theory? I don’t get it.

SVS has already claimed she didn’t target any particular person. Is this old mech talk that has been debunked)

Just the idea that the poll was a bunch of people who targeted the same person at night, which is why I was wondering about SVS's target. pyxxy seems to kind of buy that theory so I'm not discarding it yet.

I guess I can't say for certain that I didn't target who you targeted.

But. Uh. I can say that would be extremely useful information, if you knew something about the person I targeted. Given how much I trust who I targeted.

I targeted Scotty. I have no idea who you targeted.

why is all of this info being spilled all of a sudden

[Thunal33]

What are you?

Fwiw I don't know what the mech reason would be other than "we all targeted the same person" which was my idea, and pyxxy didn't want me to throw that out.

What is this ‘target the same person’ theory? I don’t get it.

SVS has already claimed she didn’t target any particular person. Is this old mech talk that has been debunked)

Just the idea that the poll was a bunch of people who targeted the same person at night, which is why I was wondering about SVS's target. pyxxy seems to kind of buy that theory so I'm not discarding it yet.

I guess I can't say for certain that I didn't target who you targeted.

But. Uh. I can say that would be extremely useful information, if you knew something about the person I targeted. Given how much I trust who I targeted.

I targeted Scotty. I have no idea who you targeted.

why is all of this info being spilled all of a sudden

Because I don't want to die today.

[nutella]

Were you or were you not aware then that Roxy was the day 1 counterwagon?

You earlier speculated that Roxy was in a comfortable position in the thread

Oh, the mafia that performed the NK being on the poll was my theory.

And actually, saying it out loud means that Roxy probably wasn't the mafia that performed the NK because she was widely suspected.

bingo

yeah I said that I think scum Roxy probably thought she was going to be chilling coming into D2, before the poll was revealed

.....

consider this post me becoming aware that Roxy was the D1 counterwagon

........lmao

[sig]

Also it’s pretty wild that Thunal and Pyxxy are both on Roxy and having convos around that especially since it’s under the “mech” banner.

Maybe they’re both mafia

[nutella]

this game is so weird lol

[Thunal33]

Looking at the vote records in Michelle's ISO and the first clump that normally indicates look here is:
Porscha
3
19%
Voters: Scotty, Thunal33, falcon45ca

I suppose I could parse Porscha and Falcon next. To see if Thunal is one within this group.

Further it is very weird to me that Pyx and Thunal aren't crossed given the votes so far.

I don't really like this clustering. Why is the Porscha wagon at that point so important? Especially because imo Falcon is the only one in that group that has any reasonable chance of being scum.

[sig]

Tentatively voting [VOTE: thunal] aubergine

Not a huge fan of their content or day 1 list. And we’ve got a pretty limited pool here.

I’ll attempt to ISO Pyxxy and Thunal today and see what’s up.

Definitely not voting Roxy, which I already said and while SVS could be mafia I’m not confident in that.

[nutella]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I don't think it's pyxxy anymore. It probably took me longer than it should have to move off of him, but I kept having trouble acting.

But you do think it’s Roxy?

[VOTE: svs] aubergine

should we make it even more chaotic then

[nutella]

i kind of do think it is four town now unfortunately

[nutella]

don't mean to sound overly harsh Sprityo but like. I have to assume you're scumreading Thunal then?

Potentially, but I would rather believe that they protected someone though. We don’t know what kind of role either so maybe it was a one shot thing

Also I’ve been reading the thread when I can, I simply don’t have much else to say or do in the short minutes I have. This is my last post as I am going in to work so the game is out of my influence for the rest of today.

I keep my vote on Roxy, whoever goes over goes over. The way I am playing seems to be drawing some ire but like, that’s okay. I’ll play and solve how I want to apologies in advance if you die Roxy, especially if you’re town

wowee

[Thunal33]

Tentatively voting [VOTE: thunal] aubergine

Not a huge fan of their content or day 1 list. And we’ve got a pretty limited pool here.

I’ll attempt to ISO Pyxxy and Thunal today and see what’s up.

Definitely not voting Roxy, which I already said and while SVS could be mafia I’m not confident in that.

I pretty much claimed my role and my play around it should be clearing.

Also it’s pretty wild that Thunal and Pyxxy are both on Roxy and having convos around that especially since it’s under the “mech” banner.

Maybe they’re both mafia

This is just not really a thought that makes sense. That would be some pretty wild theater for no discernable gain and I have no problem bussing when I need to.

[nutella]

Abi is probably mafia.

why

[sig]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I don't think it's pyxxy anymore. It probably took me longer than it should have to move off of him, but I kept having trouble acting.

But you do think it’s Roxy?

[VOTE: svs] aubergine

should we make it even more chaotic then

Not a huge fan of this switch right after I broke the tie.

Why SVS?

[nutella]

it's a joke probably

[sig]

Abi is probably mafia.

why

They’re not tunneling me hard core , but did throw my name out. Which at least used to be a pretty standard mafia tell vs when they’re a civ and tunnel me like crazy.

[sig]

Tentatively voting [VOTE: thunal] aubergine

Not a huge fan of their content or day 1 list. And we’ve got a pretty limited pool here.

I’ll attempt to ISO Pyxxy and Thunal today and see what’s up.

Definitely not voting Roxy, which I already said and while SVS could be mafia I’m not confident in that.

I pretty much claimed my role and my play around it should be clearing.

Also it’s pretty wild that Thunal and Pyxxy are both on Roxy and having convos around that especially since it’s under the “mech” banner.

Maybe they’re both mafia

This is just not really a thought that makes sense. That would be some pretty wild theater for no discernable gain and I have no problem bussing when I need to.

I don’t hold any stock in role claims/hints that can’t be verified, especially in a closed game.

[S~V~S]

I tend to miss role hints.

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I don't think it's pyxxy anymore. It probably took me longer than it should have to move off of him, but I kept having trouble acting.

But you do think it’s Roxy?

I’m not sure. I probably wouldn’t be voting Roxy if the poll weren’t limited.

But it is. You think she's the most potentially bad in THIS poll.

People are all voting for reasons other than "This is the person I think is most likely to be bad."

I'm not understanding this.

[Michelle]

I am behind a page and half and it's late

What happened?

[S~V~S]

it's a joke probably

Whenever this happens to be, it remnds me of the old days at LP and TP, when in order to switch an elim to you they had to put a vote on you. So my first reaction to that one vote towards EOD is always OMG!! Fun Times.

Ha ha even though this no longer happens.