The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyways

My thought process really isn't that confusing I don't think

I thought Roxy was wolf day 1 thought she got saved EoD 1 so I put her in the poll

Pyxxys day 1 play was egregious and the vote on me was really bad especially since I'm... obviously town and I know I'm town so I put them in the poll

SVS play around Roxy especially towards eod didn't make much sense to me it seemed to me they were town reading Roxy but unlike me who was kicking and screaming to save Porscha they barely put up a fight for Roxy... maybe I'm expecting something that isn't normal for SVS fuck if I remember but it just felt like such a weak attempt to save someone you clearly find towny and it felt off to me so I put SVS in the poll

There was some weird SVS Thunal stuff day 1 so I put Thunal in the poll

It was always my intent to... try to solve the D1 CW

I always wanted Roxy to go over unless they proved themself to be overwhelmingly towny cause I think solving the CW is beneficial in most scenarios unless the CW becomes towny

SVS and Thunal were there cause I thought if Roxy was town and proved themself to be town I'd next want to look in those 2 after D1 for a wolf

Pyxxy was an underperforming wolfy player D1 who I saw as a safe out in the case the other 3 were all able to prove my concerns wrong

I do not think Pyxxy cleared themself blah blah blah I don't think I made a bad play but you have the info now you know it's possible there's 0 wolves in the 4 do with that what you will

I think this was a good process

was the silence a side effect of your ability being used or was it separate

Thank you finally someone not calling me whack or anything else

Anyways no 100% not related to my role unless it's unstated in my role pm

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also rip TSP that’s a bummer of a role to lose.

What a weird kill. Probably tried to go rando to avoid the protection like Night 1.

I haven’t done an NKA yet, but my initial thought is there’s nothing he said that could be tied to mafia so he was a safe kill.

I have a very cynical theory on NKA but meh

NKA is a lot of wifom but

I believe it may theoretically be possible that wolves can learn the abilities of players and if true than I would not be surprised if they learned TSPs ability and saw it as a necessary kill before today

yeah this aligns with what I thought. nice

Omg fwenship

I thinkkkkkk my role vaguely implies the existence of a wolf role cop and less vaguely implies the existence of multiple vote manip abilities

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Abbi is so frustrated about being silenced so she didn't have it as an effect of using her role.

I also openly said this multiple times but yes

My role is not conditional except in that every one of my abilities is one shot

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also Sprit is a good vote and I don't understand how/why Pyxxy was saved yesterday

I saw many actions failed. That means mafia has an ability to make town fail like a total block? I don't think a role cop is the reason of TSP dying, I think he died for his pushes.

Possibly. I don’t usually do NKA, as I feel like it gets too into WIFOM territory, but I’ll take a look at his iso as a starting point tomorrow

I do not think tsp died for his pushes I rather think that's an insane take

TSPs ability is possibly the most powerful in this game and goes into effect today

You want me to believe the wolves just got lucky killing one of the most dangerous abilities against them the day it would go into effect

Like it's not hard to realize that

Who the heck was tsp even pushing? I don't remember I don't think they ever had the thread position too be a threat

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Abbi is so frustrated about being silenced so she didn't have it as an effect of using her role.

I have two theories based on the static in my brain:

1) there is a mafia silencer and a town silencer, both being used independently on LC and Abbi. Weird choices but ok.
2) there is some sort of role that copies any conditions (good or bad) of another player. That would probably be exactly LC

Abbi seems like mafia silencer material for sure. Though I guess I could be wrong in that assumption

If there's a town silencer they should never ever use it this is the most anti town ability I've ever seen

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What's most annoying too me is that I couldn't even play around my ability...I wanted to solve with it but i was just hard muted couldn't vote couldn't speak so I couldn't solve the way I intended when I used it and the day was wasted with meaningless spec about the mech that wasn't even true because I couldn't give the info I planned on outting straight away

I’m assuming you being silenced isn’t noted in your role at all?

Because yea, that just sounds like shit mech luck.

I kinda feel like the mech is fucking us so far

Unless @Long Con comes in and says he discovered the cure for blindness in the Quantum Realm

Nothing like that, unfortunately. Sucks to be silenced and de-voted. Anyone silenced today?

I was at a friend's house since the night ended until now, so I haven't caught up yet, and I won't be fully good until tomorrow afternoonish because I have to go to bed soon and work in the morning.

Has anyone not shown up today so far?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Abi should be clear town btw. Not mech, I just think her process has been clearly towny today and I really doubt she silenced herself or had a teammate agree to silence her.

Wheeeee

[Long Con]

What's most annoying too me is that I couldn't even play around my ability...I wanted to solve with it but i was just hard muted couldn't vote couldn't speak so I couldn't solve the way I intended when I used it and the day was wasted with meaningless spec about the mech that wasn't even true because I couldn't give the info I planned on outting straight away

I’m assuming you being silenced isn’t noted in your role at all?

Because yea, that just sounds like shit mech luck.

I kinda feel like the mech is fucking us so far

Unless @Long Con comes in and says he discovered the cure for blindness in the Quantum Realm

Nothing like that, unfortunately. Sucks to be silenced and de-voted. Anyone silenced today?

I was at a friend's house since the night ended until now, so I haven't caught up yet, and I won't be fully good until tomorrow afternoonish because I have to go to bed soon and work in the morning.

Has anyone not shown up today so far?

A very brief glance at the poll and I say : DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, and falcon haven't posted. But I could be wrong or missing someone. Going to work now, see you in a few hours, thread! Might sneak in some catchup on my phone, we'll see.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What's most annoying too me is that I couldn't even play around my ability...I wanted to solve with it but i was just hard muted couldn't vote couldn't speak so I couldn't solve the way I intended when I used it and the day was wasted with meaningless spec about the mech that wasn't even true because I couldn't give the info I planned on outting straight away

I’m assuming you being silenced isn’t noted in your role at all?

Because yea, that just sounds like shit mech luck.

I kinda feel like the mech is fucking us so far

Unless @Long Con comes in and says he discovered the cure for blindness in the Quantum Realm

Nothing like that, unfortunately. Sucks to be silenced and de-voted. Anyone silenced today?

I was at a friend's house since the night ended until now, so I haven't caught up yet, and I won't be fully good until tomorrow afternoonish because I have to go to bed soon and work in the morning.

Has anyone not shown up today so far?

A very brief glance at the poll and I say : DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, and falcon haven't posted. But I could be wrong or missing someone. Going to work now, see you in a few hours, thread! Might sneak in some catchup on my phone, we'll see.

Wonder if it was 1 shot than

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think muting me was extremely beneficial to wolves in that weather I'm wrong or not and weather i fluff post a lot or not i am a driver of content and solving always

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm booooooooooored

[Michelle]

OK.

This group I think is towny, No order

Dr Wilgy
Porscha
Cape90
Princess Abigail
Scotty
Michelle
LC


This is Midrange/no read, I had sig bad last list, and Falcon town, they both fell off and need to be reread. DM, I dunno, this is how they play, they no show until they start taking votes then they show up and go gangbusters.

sig
falcon
DM

My bad list seems to be the consensus as of now? I'll vote for any of this group. I started with Sprit becasue his cavalier attitude to yeeting Roxy felt ungenuine to me.
pyxxy
Sprityo
Nutella

Thunal



Has her own category. She feels bad, she sounds bad. She role claimed. She would be in the last category if not for that. She felt not unlike Sprit to me during Roxys yeet.

What did LC to deserve the town read?

[Michelle]

Wonder of it was a group cancel

It seems to be the case, and also if mafia did that they know it and could claim it.

[Michelle]

tsp not an expected kill but kinda makes sense theyd go for the unexpected yeah

His ability is super powerful and I think it's likely wolves can find out player abilities sooooo again not really unexpected

Who would role cop TSP?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

OK.

This group I think is towny, No order

Dr Wilgy
Porscha
Cape90
Princess Abigail
Scotty
Michelle
LC


This is Midrange/no read, I had sig bad last list, and Falcon town, they both fell off and need to be reread. DM, I dunno, this is how they play, they no show until they start taking votes then they show up and go gangbusters.

sig
falcon
DM

My bad list seems to be the consensus as of now? I'll vote for any of this group. I started with Sprit becasue his cavalier attitude to yeeting Roxy felt ungenuine to me.
pyxxy
Sprityo
Nutella

Thunal



Has her own category. She feels bad, she sounds bad. She role claimed. She would be in the last category if not for that. She felt not unlike Sprit to me during Roxys yeet.

What did LC to deserve the town read?

I'd ask the same question but about Wilgy

[Long Con]

tsp not an expected kill but kinda makes sense theyd go for the unexpected yeah

His ability is super powerful and I think it's likely wolves can find out player abilities sooooo again not really unexpected

Who would role cop TSP?

It could be they just got lucky. Otherwise that is a great question. Assuming one would want to roll cop a more active player?

[Long Con]

And that is not to say that Tony is inactive.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

tsp not an expected kill but kinda makes sense theyd go for the unexpected yeah

His ability is super powerful and I think it's likely wolves can find out player abilities sooooo again not really unexpected

Who would role cop TSP?

Why wouldn't you role Cop someone being quiet and reserved

That's exactly who I'd role cop

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Blah blah occams razor blah blah don't believe in luck

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I could turn it around and ask who would NK tsp

Because I'm not buying "he was killed for his reads" when he had zero thread influence at all

I think that's quite the silly idea

[sprityo]

Guess I'm alone okay I'll kick dis shit off

Poll yesterday was my ability... didn't really think it was that hard to guess it was me all things considered but I guess so

It was not randomly generated I picked the names on it

Wheeeee

We love that, welcome back Abby

Thanks... be honest did you mute me lol

No I didn’t

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Guess I'm alone okay I'll kick dis shit off

Poll yesterday was my ability... didn't really think it was that hard to guess it was me all things considered but I guess so

It was not randomly generated I picked the names on it

Wheeeee

We love that, welcome back Abby

Thanks... be honest did you mute me lol

No I didn’t

Okie dokie

[Long Con]

tsp not an expected kill but kinda makes sense theyd go for the unexpected yeah

His ability is super powerful and I think it's likely wolves can find out player abilities sooooo again not really unexpected

Who would role cop TSP?

Why wouldn't you role Cop someone being quiet and reserved

That's exactly who I'd role cop

You make a good point I can definitely see that angle.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I just really don't believe in coincidence when the most powerful role in the game dies the day their ability activates

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Brrrrrrr

[Michelle]

tsp not an expected kill but kinda makes sense theyd go for the unexpected yeah

His ability is super powerful and I think it's likely wolves can find out player abilities sooooo again not really unexpected

Who would role cop TSP?

Why wouldn't you role Cop someone being quiet and reserved

That's exactly who I'd role cop

It's not like Tony was the only inactive.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Brrrrrrr

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

tsp not an expected kill but kinda makes sense theyd go for the unexpected yeah

His ability is super powerful and I think it's likely wolves can find out player abilities sooooo again not really unexpected

Who would role cop TSP?

Why wouldn't you role Cop someone being quiet and reserved

That's exactly who I'd role cop

It's not like Tony was the only inactive.

This doesn't disprove my point

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Tsp was playing the game and present but flying under the radar that's exactly who wolves role cop

They don't need to use it on loud voices who'll probably die one way or another anyways

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

They don't need to kill tsp over reads that are barely being pushed and nobody is biting on

That's arguably the worst play the wolves could make

But knowing his role yeah you kill that 2000% of the time

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But we can agree to disagree and approach solving from different angles

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't particularly town read Nutella anyways

[Scotty]

If SVS is torn we’re all just snowed

*wolf

Good question

Nutella maybe

Pong Con

These were TSP’s last suspicions. SVS was not really a suspicion, more of a warning if we’re wrong. The Long Con read here is novel. Could be something there if Long Con perhaps felt threatened.

But he was a low-lying town that wasn’t aligned with mafia so it’s not the biggest weird move to kill him

[Scotty]

Notably, pyxxy still hadn’t posted.

If anyone was a perfect mafia silence role, it’s that’s one. Since he was a heavy counterwagon and maybe can’t defend himself.

[Scotty]

Town having a silence role doesn’t sound particular correct unless it’s compulsory or it’s a random option in a slew of options a la JOAT.

[Michelle]

I could turn it around and ask who would NK tsp

Because I'm not buying "he was killed for his reads" when he had zero thread influence at all

I think that's quite the silly idea

I disagree. He became extremely towny and he is experienced. It's not like a noob was killed out of the blue before the top tier players. Tony is a top tier player.

I dislike how you try to discredit my idea. It's not the worst even if cannot be proved but we can discuss about it.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Town having a silence role doesn’t sound particular correct unless it’s compulsory or it’s a random option in a slew of options a la JOAT.

I have mulled over the idea in my head that IF SVS is telling the truth about their role and they dunno what it does and the numbers correlate to players than perhaps it's that role silencing people

Mainly because I think it was noted that the number rolled by SVS N1 correlated to me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I could turn it around and ask who would NK tsp

Because I'm not buying "he was killed for his reads" when he had zero thread influence at all

I think that's quite the silly idea

I disagree. He became extremely towny and he is experienced. It's not like a noob was killed out of the blue before the top tier players. Tony is a top tier player.

I dislike how you try to discredit my idea. It's not the worst even if cannot be proved but we can discuss about it.

He was towny but he was not leading town his pushes were not being followed

It is an awful strategy to kill tsp for his suspicions if your LC or Nut there's no danger it is actively more harmful to bring attention to the one person talking about you AND FAILING than it is to let them live

This isn't the play idrc if Nut dies here but the idea they should die because TSP said they maybe were a wolf is one of the wolfiest leaps in logic I've seen in this game

[Michelle]

Maybe it's not a joat if it's repetitive.

What if it's mafia silencing one townie and one of their own?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't care how good tsp is

If you have no thread control

And your pushes aren't being followed

You don't get killed no matter how right you are

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Maybe it's not a joat if it's repetitive.

What if it's mafia silencing one townie and one of their own?

Another thought I had was this

Muting me and LC if LC is wolf makes some sense cause it doesn't look that suspicious

However from a purely mechanical standpoint i think this is unlikely cause your basically outting your team at that point

[Michelle]

I could turn it around and ask who would NK tsp

Because I'm not buying "he was killed for his reads" when he had zero thread influence at all

I think that's quite the silly idea

I disagree. He became extremely towny and he is experienced. It's not like a noob was killed out of the blue before the top tier players. Tony is a top tier player.

I dislike how you try to discredit my idea. It's not the worst even if cannot be proved but we can discuss about it.

He was towny but he was not leading town his pushes were not being followed

It is an awful strategy to kill tsp for his suspicions if your LC or Nut there's no danger it is actively more harmful to bring attention to the one person talking about you AND FAILING than it is to let them live

This isn't the play idrc if Nut dies here but the idea they should die because TSP said they maybe were a wolf is one of the wolfiest leaps in logic I've seen in this game

I see you underestimate the influence Tony can have in the game and would have if he lived longer.
You can be right about the role cop but I gave you an alternative to think at.

It's not wolfy and it's very logical.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Coincidences are unlikely in mafia

Tsp had the most powerful role I've ever seen in mafia

And no thread control

It's really more illogical to try to justify a kill off TSP dying than to think hmm powerful role died the day it would activate role cop is likely

Especially since... again... I have reason to believe wolves have a role cop

[DrWilgy]

Good M O O O O O R N I N G!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Wilgy find me a wolf

[DrWilgy]

I haven't caught up. I was annoyed about how end of last day went, but I half feel that it may be my misunderstanding/lack of effectivity with mech, is there a clear explanation/recap?

I really don't know how mech claims 'cleared' Thunal or Pyx.

[Thunal33]

I work all day tomorrow and will only have brief moments to check in to read, so…

New GTH just dropped!

Cape90 - ‪SCUM‬
DarlingMonroe - ‪SCUM‬
DrWilgy - ‪TOWN‬
falcon45ca - ‪SCUM‬
Long Con - ‪TOWN‬
Michelle - ‪TOWN‬
Porscha - ‪TOWN‬
☆Princess Abigail☆ - ‪TOWN‬
pyxxy - ‪TOWN‬
S~V~S - ‪TOWN‬
Scotty - ‪TOWN‬
sig - ‪SCUM‬
Spacedaisy/nutella - ‪SCUM‬
sprityo - ‪SCUM‬
Thunal33 - ‪TOWN‬


‪couple notes, working backwards.‬
‪-thunal is only town in my eyes for mech reasons. Until those mech reasons are refuted or there are other possibilities, that’s where I am. On posting and behavior, it feels scummy‬
‪-sprityo feels extremely blendy and opportunistic with his pop-ins. That SVS and I agree on this is probably a good sign? Probably.‬
‪-Porscha still feels different from her scum games i referenced. Solving and needling. Feel much towncar porsche‬
‪-Long Con where you at bro, we need some phat mech notes‬
‪-I realize I have no strong inclinations on falcon, and that probably needs a reread. I saw others townread him and I’m happy for them? I guess? ‬
‪-Cape is going to be the one I will struggle with the most this game. He’s hitting all the logical notes I associate with an active supatown. If he’s scum, he’s a deepwolf. ‬

‪In all cases, I need a scum flip to really do a deep dive.‬

‪I do feel like we were pigeonholed into voting only 4 people yesterday and I caution everyone to gang up on people for voting for one of the 4 and changing their mind and being perhaps hypocritical. I feel more and more it was 4 town and the mafia was down to fuel the paranoia and possibly let chaos reign.‬

‪@DarlingMonroe if you are town, we NEED you, madam! You are an important cog in this wheel‬

Agree re Thunal.

Agree re most of your notes, I'm still slotting Cape town; when he has wrong info or perhaps misread something, he owns it and doesn't try to spin why he could still be right. That reads towny to me. I had Falcon town early, but his towny self hasn't really shown since, so he's more midrange for me now.

No change on Sprit, his snark @ me but not you for the vote was interesting; I'm putting that down to my post was first by 2 seconds. Noted his "my action failed" and maybe it did, but the person who failed the actions would know it too.

Will finish reading and do a list.

I wouldn't know if my # failed (I asked) and I don't have an action that I would get results for so

Really? You had me town day 1 and you only have me town on mech now? Is it because I voted Roxy? Because it was a PoE vote and I was open about that. I was also scared about losing a strong role in pyxxy. I thought he could be a different type of protective role or maybe something investigative, and Roxy wasn't really fighting her death so I didn't think she was a strong role.

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy find me a wolf

I'm still on the Thunal should've gone over yesterday train.

Pyx, Sprit, Sig and Cape are all effective options.

[nutella]

Why the nutella votes?

Low interest in solving fmpov

when the only day i'd gotten to play so far was where voting was limited to four people all of whom i ended up with some reason to townread it's pretty discouraging


today i am interested in looking at sprityo and porscha the most

[nutella]

Why the nutella votes?

Low interest in solving fmpov

And TSP suspected her

Which makes this intriguing, right?

tsp not an expected kill but kinda makes sense theyd go for the unexpected yeah

what

??