[ENDGAME]: Film Directors.

[S~V~S]

This was in reply to Made, I forgot to quote that part, lol.

[Canucklehead]

Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

No one ever takes my opinions seriously.

Huh?

[thellama73]

Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

No one ever takes my opinions seriously.

Huh?

What?

[S~V~S]

Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

No one ever takes my opinions seriously.

Huh?

What?

wat

(wher's Dom when you need him??)

[thellama73]

Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

No one ever takes my opinions seriously.

Huh?

What?

wat

(wher's Dom when you need him??)

Who?

[Made]

If this helps anyone: I think it's worth point out the interesting trust dynamic that seems to be going on.

MM, Myself, Rico, Llama(?), DF

vs

Roxy, SVS, TH, Dom, LC

BR, Canuck, BWT are neither positive or negative to either of the trust groups.

I'm not saying this to create an overarching argument about the roles or possible association between the two groups, since this is very much simplified (notably when you look at Llama and LC). That said I think BR, Canuck, and BWT are an interesting group in the fact that they seem to be escaping the aforementioned feud.

[Made]

On a sorta not really related note, how would someone describe MM's typical baddie game.

[S~V~S]

If this helps anyone: I think it's worth point out the interesting trust dynamic that seems to be going on.

MM, Myself, Rico, Llama(?), DF

vs

Roxy, SVS, TH, Dom, LC

BR, Canuck, BWT are neither positive or negative to either of the trust groups.

I'm not saying this to create an overarching argument about the roles or possible association between the two groups, since this is very much simplified (notably when you look at Llama and LC). That said I think BR, Canuck, and BWT are an interesting group in the fact that they seem to be escaping the aforementioned feud.

BR said that lynching me was a horrible idea. That seems a fairly definitive statement.

[thellama73]

If this helps anyone: I think it's worth point out the interesting trust dynamic that seems to be going on.

MM, Myself, Rico, Llama(?), DF

vs

Roxy, SVS, TH, Dom, LC

BR, Canuck, BWT are neither positive or negative to either of the trust groups.

I'm not saying this to create an overarching argument about the roles or possible association between the two groups, since this is very much simplified (notably when you look at Llama and LC). That said I think BR, Canuck, and BWT are an interesting group in the fact that they seem to be escaping the aforementioned feud.

What the heck? This is completely inaccurate with respect to me. If I had to group those players into Trust v. Don't Trust, it would look like this.

Trust: DF, SVS, Roxy, maybe Made but less so
Don't Trust: Dom, Rico, Maybe MM, maybe BR, Maybe LC

[Mongoose]

Good evening, players.

Hope you are having a very special Tuesday.

I'm planning on a film club event this weekend where we would all watch The Golem at the same time. Stay tuned for details. It is available on Youtube.

As you were!

[thellama73]

Good evening, players.

Hope you are having a very special Tuesday.

I'm planning on a film club event this weekend where we would all watch The Golem at the same time. Stay tuned for details. It is available on Youtube.

As you were!

Can we make it on Sunday? The conference I am speaking at (because I am so big and important) is on Saturday.

[S~V~S]

We need a bard smiley

[S~V~S]

*barf

[Canucklehead]

A Bard smiley would also be awesome! Little Willy Shakes, with quill and manuscript!

[Canucklehead]

[Marmot]

I think SVS is suggesting that Roxy is Godard (vomps message partner) since she defended vomps, because how else would Roxy be certain of vomps being civ while also being civ? If Roxy is civ and she knew vomps was civ, there would be no reason to entertain a vote for him.

I might be wrong about what SVS is insinuating, but that's how I read it.

Why do you insist on doing this, not just in this game, but in every game? What if Roxy really is this role? Don't you think, in light of all the info dropping discussion, that discussing what civvie role someone may or may not be, or that someone may think they are, is a really bad idea?

Some of us work really hard to get our point across while being somewhat vague and not endangering people, and to have you do this is, frankly, infuriating. You are supposed to read between the lines, not publish them.

I responded to this before, but I have been stewing on it ever since.


{/high horse]

Linki~ I am more sure of MM, but would rather come to a consensus.

Don't make ambiguous comments or leave your ideas open if you're going to accuse me for misinterpreting. Say what you mean.

Linki: Da fuq?

[Marmot]

There is so much going on right now. I'll off the bus and on my pc in a bit.

[Long Con]

*barf

[Marmot]

I think SVS is suggesting that Roxy is Godard (vomps message partner) since she defended vomps, because how else would Roxy be certain of vomps being civ while also being civ? If Roxy is civ and she knew vomps was civ, there would be no reason to entertain a vote for him.

I might be wrong about what SVS is insinuating, but that's how I read it.

Why do you insist on doing this, not just in this game, but in every game? What if Roxy really is this role? Don't you think, in light of all the info dropping discussion, that discussing what civvie role someone may or may not be, or that someone may think they are, is a really bad idea?

Some of us work really hard to get our point across while being somewhat vague and not endangering people, and to have you do this is, frankly, infuriating. You are supposed to read between the lines, not publish them.

I responded to this before, but I have been stewing on it ever since.

{/high horse]

Linki~ I am more sure of MM, but would rather come to a consensus.

I don't mean to call people out, but you're not helping matters.

There are holes in your theories about Roxy. I proved you wrong. I also think Roxy is bad news. I'm not going to sit back while you defend an untrue statement. You have also refused to follow links, so I have to keep bringing my theories back to the forefront of discussion in quotes rather than hoping they went unnoticed. Why do you keep getting distraught over my statements? Am I hitting the nail on the head again?

Let me also ask, why are you waiting to come to a consensus? You did the same thing Day 1. You thought I was bad for defending AP, but you voted AP. You've stated (in the quote below) that you are 'for sure' on me. Why do you want to wait for a wagon to form?

LC, who are your top three suspects?

Glad you asked. I'm still of the mindset that Llama is a baddie, and if I recall correctly, I think that MM and Made are on his team as well.

And that's my top three!!!

I am not as sure of Llama as you are, but I can agree on MM for sure, possibly made as well. Ricochet rounds out my top three

Linki: ewww

[Marmot]

SVS, per my previous post, why did you respond to it once casually, then flip out on the same post over 4 hours later?

Response 1
Response 2

[A Person]

Good evening, players.

Hope you are having a very special Tuesday.

I'm planning on a film club event this weekend where we would all watch The Golem at the same time. Stay tuned for details. It is available on Youtube.

As you were!

can dead people join?

[Dom]

Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

No one ever takes my opinions seriously.

Huh?

What?

wat

(wher's Dom when you need him??)

wat

[Dom]

Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

TBH, Canuck, I'm exhausted in terms of Mafia right now. I am taking a small break after this game. That's why I'm being short/not very active anymore. I'm just.... losing steam.

[Mongoose]

Good evening, players.

Hope you are having a very special Tuesday.

I'm planning on a film club event this weekend where we would all watch The Golem at the same time. Stay tuned for details. It is available on Youtube.

As you were!

can dead people join?

It is mandatory for dead people to join.

[Made]

Ok, here's my current train of thought. SVS has seemed incredibly off to me this game. I have faith in my read in her, but far more faith in the fact that trying to lynch Roxy would be an easier hill to climb. That said I think I'm right. Voting now to hopefully bring way to discussion surrounding her.

Voting SVS

[A Person]

Good evening, players.

Hope you are having a very special Tuesday.

I'm planning on a film club event this weekend where we would all watch The Golem at the same time. Stay tuned for details. It is available on Youtube.

As you were!

can dead people join?

It is mandatory for dead people to join.

Oh, that I'll try my hardest. I don't want to be...modrezzed?

[S~V~S]

I think SVS is suggesting that Roxy is Godard (vomps message partner) since she defended vomps, because how else would Roxy be certain of vomps being civ while also being civ? If Roxy is civ and she knew vomps was civ, there would be no reason to entertain a vote for him.

I might be wrong about what SVS is insinuating, but that's how I read it.

Why do you insist on doing this, not just in this game, but in every game? What if Roxy really is this role? Don't you think, in light of all the info dropping discussion, that discussing what civvie role someone may or may not be, or that someone may think they are, is a really bad idea?

Some of us work really hard to get our point across while being somewhat vague and not endangering people, and to have you do this is, frankly, infuriating. You are supposed to read between the lines, not publish them.

I responded to this before, but I have been stewing on it ever since.

{/high horse]

Linki~ I am more sure of MM, but would rather come to a consensus.

I don't mean to call people out, but you're not helping matters.

There are holes in your theories about Roxy. I proved you wrong. I also think Roxy is bad news. I'm not going to sit back while you defend an untrue statement. You have also refused to follow links, so I have to keep bringing my theories back to the forefront of discussion in quotes rather than hoping they went unnoticed. Why do you keep getting distraught over my statements? Am I hitting the nail on the head again?

There are lots of holes in lots of theories about lots of people. I may be right about her, or I may be wrong. I have my opinion.

And I mentioned why I waited 4 hours in that post right up there^^

I thought about that post for HOURS. Basically, whether you agree with me or not that Roxy is bad or civ, the fact is that you casually potentially outed her. When someone is being vague, and saying stull like, "I think I saw" or "She said something that led me to believe" then saying, "Oh person X thinks Person Y is role Z" is potentially outing people. That was the point I was making. So don't tell me to say what I mean and to be less vague. The fact that I actually do NOT think she is not that role is not the point.

You don't announce speculation on who is what civvie role in the thread. Whether it is true or not, it is a form of target painting and info dumping.

I have refused to follow links becasue I CAN"T FOLLOW THEM ON MY PHONE WITHOUT LOSING MY POST.. Why does having crappy technology in the form of an old phone make me a baddie? That's absurd, lol.

Let me also ask, why are you waiting to come to a consensus? You did the same thing Day 1. You thought I was bad for defending AP, but you voted AP. You've stated (in the quote below) that you are 'for sure' on me. Why do you want to wait for a wagon to form?

LC, who are your top three suspects?

Glad you asked. I'm still of the mindset that Llama is a baddie, and if I recall correctly, I think that MM and Made are on his team as well.

And that's my top three!!!

I am not as sure of Llama as you are, but I can agree on MM for sure, possibly made as well. Ricochet rounds out my top three

Linki: ewww

Because we cannot change votes this game. We have lynched a crapton of civvies already, there are potential vote manipulations floating around, and if we scatter all our votes around, a civvie is going to get lynched. The lynch ends at a weird time, so we are going to be short a few votes as well. In this case, it is looking like the baddies are taking aim at me. So, it is a good idea to try to all agree on someone as much as it is possible in order to not lynch that civ. Because I will be at twork during the busiest part of my day the last few hours of the poll and will be utterly unable to defend.This is why I care so much about it. Why does it bother you? Cause it's harder for the baddies if the civvies coordinate and don't spread their votes out?

How does this desire, or my being annoyed at you info dumping (and whether it is true or not, naming a civvie as a certain role in thread is just that), or any of the other ridiculous points you have made about me, make me bad? They don't becasue I am not.

I do not want to vote for Llama. I am willing to vote for MM or Made if people go that way. I could also vote for Ricochet, but fewer people seem to be looking in that direction. I will be back to vote before the deadline vote for either MM or Made, whoever has the most votes.

[S~V~S]

The thing with the link~ I just asked for a common courtesy, please post quotes, not links. What the hell is so hard about that? It is what most of us have done for years & years.

I was asking for a favor.

[Turnip Head]

Made, bro. I have questions. I'm going to have to channel MP for a bit here because I've got lots to say.

TH are you seeing baddie svs?

Personally I think I am. I elaborated on this previous, so check my post history or ask for repost. Opinions since then have not since changed.

I went back through your posts to look for this, and was shocked at how little is actually there. You have two posts in the game which explore your own thoughts on SVS, both from Day 3. The quotes:

Llama, you of all people know how easily it is to get close to a lynch multiple days in a row as a civvie. For a sus Vomp, I'd need to see blantant support of a teammate. this ofcourse being the reason I'm looking into SVS.....speaking of which....

Just finished reading her, and tell me (everyone) what you think about this: It just be my shitty luck of getting a ton of baddie games in a row, but SVS seems to be playing "Better" than usual. Like don't get me wrong, SVS is an amazing player, but like the reason that i often don't suspect her or think about her is because she seems to sandbag. Like her cases aren't super solid, but the case again Bwt, and jabs on Rico are focused and on point.

Also, tangent, the awesome thing about trust you Llama is i can tell you in thread and not worry about you getting Nked because you're you.

And I just thought of the perfect comparison for how SVS is acting this game: She's playing like how she did in Monty python. While on the surface, that's not damning because she was technically neutral in that game, but it's noteworthy that she said in the post game that she was attempting to draw a night kill that game. Maybe baddie team /w Gollum protection?

In the first post, you say you're looking at SVS because she has defended Vomp... who it seems you weren't suspicious of if I'm reading this right. Looks like if you DID suspect him, it was due to a connection to SVS. That connection has been debunked, but as you've said above, your thoughts on SVS have not changed.

You accuse SVS of playing "better" than usual. You say her cases are on point, and cite this as cause for suspicion. It's an impossible suspicion for SVS to defend against IMO. You're accusing her of playing "better" directly after she had very conspicuously helped to lynch 2 civvies (this is Day 3, remember). And yet, you say your thoughts on her have not changed. Also, what's up with the part where you qualify your opinion of SVS by citing your streak of baddies roles? Has that streak continued into this game, or...? I don't understand what you were getting at by bringing that up, it seems to have no bearing on anything that's said before or after it. So for now it pings me simply because it's so left field.

In your second post, you come up with a crazy theory that SVS is a baddie trying to get targeted by the other baddie team so that she can protect herself. This looks like blatant suspicion mongering to me because of how flimsy the premise is. I get the impression you'll say anything if you think it could plant seeds of suspicion in people's heads.

This is all I could find in your posts that explore your suspicion of SVS. In recent days you spent far more breath/keystrokes, on arguing that LLAMA should be gunning for SVS, even though it seemed clear Llama didn't want to pursue that after the Vomp lynch. You continuously belabored this point for some reason. To really spell this out, this is how it looks to me: Pre-Vomps lynch, you explored suspicions of SVS/Vomp in relation to each other. Post-Vomps lynch, you explore LLAMA's suspicion of SVS bereft of the Vomp connection. That's the kind of switch in tactics that I see coming from the baddies' camp, not from a civ.

As a parting thought, while going through Made's posts, one post from Day 1 in particular stood out to me. Early in the Day phase, Llama made a list of everybody in the game with his thoughts on each one attached. Made piggybacked off of it, as you can see here. Of particular interest to me are Made's entries on FZ and Llama, and how different those two are from Made's entries on the rest of the players in the game.

Have you finished reading that list? Good, here's my conclusions from it. In light of all that's happened, I think Made might be on the team that killed FZ: look how easily Made gives her a pass in his list, while putting "no read" next to virtually every other player. I think he might have killed FZ to push Llama further toward a Vomps lynch, and after that I think Made turned on Llama to try and pit him against SVS in the aftermath. Look at how quickly he buddied up to Llama in that entry, while still leaving himself an out to suspect Llama in the future. Which is... exactly what Made did.

I encourage everyone to do a chronological read-through of Made's posts, because I'm seeing baddie intentions hidden underneath just about everything he's written. If we're looking for a baddie who took advantage of the Vomp suspicion in order to cause infighting and mayhem amongst the players who suspected him, then I believe Made fits that profile, almost to a tee.

[Turnip Head]

Yikes, this poll ends at 9:30am on the west coast. What's the over/under on the # of missing votes? I'ma say 6.

[S~V~S]

Yeah, alot of people are gonna miss votes, thats why i am so fanatical about sticking together as much as possible.

BBL to vote, hopefully we have somewhat of a turnout.

[Ricochet]

Deadline will be 7:25pm here and I don't think I need to say how better that is compared to 5am deadlines, but I can see what a tricky vote day it might turn out to be for everybody else. I'll have to keep mixing writing on my research project and writing & voting here, although with as much emphasis on the former as possible.

I'm seeing more into Made's gameplay through TH's write-up, because personally up until his [Made's] jump on Llama, I couldn't really read or understand him much: lax first days, the goof up of voting FZ. out of the blue and such. Checking back the quotes TH brought up, he read FZ. as genuine on D1, next came the confusing vote, then finally a redaction on that, being as confused as anyone else about it. I don't know if that fully mixes with him being part of the team that orchestrated FZ.'s lynch and capped the Vomps havoc (he missed D2's [MP vs Vomp] vote and he picked up on the suspicion(s) on Vomp only after), but it's an intriguing angle.

Then his cases (or jumps) on SVS and Llama. Again, I'll be forever at a disadvantage in this game at interpreting players' gameplay based on past games, the way Made implied reading SVS here, but right now I'm far from reading SVS as a baddie, compared to others. As for Llama, I've already said I'm not even decided if either LC, Made or Dom truly intend to make a call on him bad (well, LC probably does the most at this point and Made probably the least).

Also, I read TH's pinge of Made as more genuine then his case on Roxy.

I'll have no problem deciding who to vote for later on.

Sorry if there were already replies to this, but what does everyone think of Dom as of late ie. with his jump on Llama, his dubious voting and all?

[thellama73]

I may live to regret this, but I trust SVS this game, and I agree with her about keeping our votes together. TH makes a persuasive case on Made. I'll make a decision on who to vote for before too long.

[Canucklehead]

TH's case on Made is interesting, but I'm wary because I don't actually really trust TH at this point. However, in two-mafia games, baddies often make some of the best baddie hunters, since they're desperate to remove the threat of NK by the other team....so thinking someone might be a baddie si not neccesarily a reason to discount their suspicions and cases.

I did a read through of MM last night, and I really didn't see anything at all that read like a baddie to me there, so I don't think I'll be jumping on that train unless some more compelling thoughts/cases on him come forward....

[Long Con]

TH, fantastic job on the Made research! That's looks like some top-quality analysis to me, and it put Made on top of my list, so I will vote for him now.

*votes Made*

[Long Con]

As for Llama... still seems slimy to me, but I'm willing to wait another day to deal with that.

[thellama73]

As for Llama... still seems slimy to me, but I'm willing to wait another day to deal with that.

Your vote post seems slimy to me, so let's call it even.

[thellama73]

Okay, I finished my reread of Made. Here's the thing: he doesn't make any sense. Apart from what TH pointed out, there's also his weird idea that I should still suspect SVS despite Vomps flipping civ. Also, he kept saying "Llama is not the person I'm planning to gun for." Then when people asked him who he was planning to gun for, he refused to answer. Then when the time came he gunned for.... no one really. He expressed suspicions of Roxy and SVS, but I hardly call that gunning.

All that said, I am hesitant to vote for Made for acting weird. I have been burned on that before, and Made kind of always acts weird, and baddies tend to try to avoid standing out like that. Not sure. MM is next on my reading list.

[birdwithteeth11]

Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough to dissuade me from voting Rico for this lynch. So my vote is going there still.

As for Made, I'm not seeing it. I just think he's being really, really, REALLY strange. I still need time to properly re-read MM too.

Votes Rico

[thellama73]

I just read MM LONG read! Stop posting so much, MM.

If he is bad, he is playing like a champ, because I just cannot see what others are seeing there.

BWT, I might join you in a Rico vote, because there is still a kernel of suspicion from Day 1 that lingers in my mind. Dom is my first choice, but I am sensitive to what SVS said about spreading the vote (it's an argument I've made many times) and I don't see much eagerness to pile onto Dom today. I'm going to reread Rico and TH next.

[S~V~S]

TH's case on Made is interesting, but I'm wary because I don't actually really trust TH at this point. However, in two-mafia games, baddies often make some of the best baddie hunters, since they're desperate to remove the threat of NK by the other team....so thinking someone might be a baddie si not neccesarily a reason to discount their suspicions and cases.

I did a read through of MM last night, and I really didn't see anything at all that read like a baddie to me there, so I don't think I'll be jumping on that train unless some more compelling thoughts/cases on him come forward....

So if you are not discounting cases, what do you think of Made & MMs cases on me? Do you agree that civs should keep a tight vote if possible?

As for Llama... still seems slimy to me, but I'm willing to wait another day to deal with that.

Your vote post seems slimy to me, so let's call it even.

Why do you find s vote for Made slimy?

Linki :o

[Spacedaisy]

That was weird, I came to vote and found the thread was locked. How long was it locked for?

I took a shot in the dark and voted one of the three who already have votes. Sorry if you are good Made...

[S~V~S]

Voted Made

[birdwithteeth11]

Yeah. I'm curious as to why the thread was locked so long. Especially given how close we are to the poll deadline.

[Spacedaisy]

I figured it was an accident and went ahead and unlocked it. I hope that was ok.

[Roxy]

I lied.
I have had no time to read back properly bc of my game and the insanity of tracking so much. I realize it is my own fault but I am asking to please give me a bit more time for me to get in a groove with my game.

I have voted Made and was shocked to see others are finally paying attention to his posts and that it is not just me.

Linky O.o

[Canucklehead]

The baddies have a "lock the thread when Uwe Boll comes under suspicion" ability. Which is making me much more confident about following TH's lead on Made.

[S~V~S]

One of the BSD roles can lock it iirc.

[S~V~S]

Bad*

[Canucklehead]

Wait, SD unlocked the thread?? I don't think that's kosher...I assmed the baddies used their ability. I don't think these posts an votes should be happening right now. :s