Death Note Mafia [END]

[FZ.]

Guide to Common sense 101:

1. Look at a player's past games both civvie and baddie.
2. Compare current game to games from each alignment
3. Don't make obvious and silly conclousions

[thellama73]

Have you considered that maybe I have a role secret that is forcing me to act the way I am acting, FZ?

[thellama73]

Clarification for people who don't understand sarcasm: That post was purely meant to make the point that once you go down the road of assuming imaginary role powers, there is literally no end to how far you can take it. It is completely pointless.

[Marmot]

FZ - You think his normal civvy games consists of, essentially, refusing to contributing in a meaningful fashion to the lynch efforts, but also that he's a smart player? (no offense TH ;o)

FZ - linki - I don't see anybody who I would describe as trying to get lynched in this game, TH maybe depending on your interpretation of his posts

No, I think there's a reason he's acting this way, and it's not necessarily because he's bad. It's like in Are you being served mafia when MP was acting so out of character and was a civ who had to act really weird and do things we didn't know about.

And yeah, I was referring to TH.

@linki: Hi, my name is llama and I ignore common sense and then call my behaviour "drawing conclusions from available facts"

I disagree, llama's case makes sense to me. I'm going to go ahead and vote TH.

Linki: What are you trying to say llama? Never mind about voting.

[S~V~S]

Boo you wound me

You said you were considering voting a low poster. I don't think any SVS (civ, baddie, or indy) would do that in a normal game, which made me think you were a baddie since the baddies are not in their normal position. You didn't go for it, but if you had I'd have voted for you on the spot because that just would have been a whole other level of out of characterish-ness.

I haven't had time to read SVS yet so I missed that but you have a good point here.

Tbh I would not vote for Bass with a family member hospitalized whether good or bad. And my point was that baddies without BTSwould be less likely to be aggressive IMO to avoid lynching a teammate, at least the first few days, and I think they will fly low with this specific set of mechanics. Not that I wanted to vote typical low posters.

[FZ.]

I feel like I'm channelling my inner Epi. Sorry if anything I've said is coming off rude, llama

[Marmot]

Clarification for people who don't understand sarcasm: That post was purely meant to make the point that once you go down the road of assuming imaginary role powers, there is literally no end to how far you can take it. It is completely pointless.

That's what sarcastic orange is for though, so you don't have to clarify something you said that will force you to backtrack.

[thellama73]

Linki: What are you trying to say llama? Never mind about voting.

I hope my above post clears that up. My point was thta if FZ is eager to explain away TH's behavior based on secrets, why not mine or yours or everybody's as well?

Linki: FZ. You have not been rude at all. Think nothing of it.

[thellama73]

Clarification for people who don't understand sarcasm: That post was purely meant to make the point that once you go down the road of assuming imaginary role powers, there is literally no end to how far you can take it. It is completely pointless.

That's what sarcastic orange is for though, so you don't have to clarify something you said that will force you to backtrack.

I hate sarcastic orange though.

[bea]

EBWOP, and I know I understand better in small, digestible bits.

Totally fine by me. I find myself skimming long post as well. I was actually really nervous making such a long post because, after all that's happened, I feel strongly that Trice is mafia but I also know people have only so much time that they can dedicate to reading these post.

Well, I plan to reread it now, knowing where it is going helps. I want beas opinion on him, too. They have been bad bts more than once, including on the Residents from the first Avant game; the game where MP had a whole SECRET BADDIE TEAM.

Imagine that

I'm still like 6 or 7 pages behind, but at the moment, as much as I love tricey - I am leaning toward thinking Aces is on to something. For me, it's the misrepresentation of Aces's vote post that's really hard for me to get past.

[Marmot]

Boo you wound me

You said you were considering voting a low poster. I don't think any SVS (civ, baddie, or indy) would do that in a normal game, which made me think you were a baddie since the baddies are not in their normal position. You didn't go for it, but if you had I'd have voted for you on the spot because that just would have been a whole other level of out of characterish-ness.

I haven't had time to read SVS yet so I missed that but you have a good point here.

Tbh I would not vote for Bass with a family member hospitalized whether good or bad. And my point was that baddies without BTSwould be less likely to be aggressive IMO to avoid lynching a teammate, at least the first few days, and I think they will fly low with this specific set of mechanics. Not that I wanted to vote typical low posters.

How do you think baddies with BTSC will act?

[FZ.]

Even though I disagree about TH, this back and forth made me feel a little better about you llama

linki: the secrets part was just for flavour and because I like throwing around crazy theories wondering if one might actually be true. The fact that TH is acting so out of character to his baddie and civ behaviour is what is preventing me from seeing him as bad, at least for now

[Marmot]

Clarification for people who don't understand sarcasm: That post was purely meant to make the point that once you go down the road of assuming imaginary role powers, there is literally no end to how far you can take it. It is completely pointless.

That's what sarcastic orange is for though, so you don't have to clarify something you said that will force you to backtrack.

I hate sarcastic orange though.

Then you are dead to me.

[Marmot]

Even though I disagree about TH, this back and forth made me feel a little better about you llama

linki: the secrets part was just for flavour and because I like throwing around crazy theories wondering if one might actually be true. The fact that TH is acting so out of character to his baddie and civ behaviour is what is preventing me from seeing him as bad, at least for now

I don't see that as civvie behaviour. Crazy theories are called cray-cray for a reason, because they aren't likely to be tied to anything logical. Baddies like to speculate over mystery roles, and I believe they also enjoy shrouding the game in mystery.

For example, Kira's sympathizers need all the detectives dead to win. For that reason, we should assume that all detectives are on the civvie side unless otherwise proven.

[triceratopzeuhl]

question - what are the odds that TH actually tries to help lynch baddies over the next (however many days he is alive)? If he's going to just vote for whoever without any justification every day, I'll be voting him

[thellama73]

I've made this argument before, but it hasn't stuck, so I will try again, because I think it is important.

A large part of the game of mafia (at least as I perceive it) is detecting baddies through their behavior. Odd behavior does not necessarily mean they are bad, but it is often a clue. Detecting minor discrepancies is one of the most valuable tools in the civvie utility belt.

When you set a precedent for explaining away any aberrant behavior with role secrets, you strip the civvies of that tool, and you give baddies license to behave like baddies, knowing they can count on people to say "oh, he would never behave that way, so it must be forced by role secrets."

I think this approach is devastating to the civvie cause, and I implore people to stop doing it.

That concludes my PSA.

[S~V~S]

Boo you wound me

You said you were considering voting a low poster. I don't think any SVS (civ, baddie, or indy) would do that in a normal game, which made me think you were a baddie since the baddies are not in their normal position. You didn't go for it, but if you had I'd have voted for you on the spot because that just would have been a whole other level of out of characterish-ness.

I haven't had time to read SVS yet so I missed that but you have a good point here.

Tbh I would not vote for Bass with a family member hospitalized whether good or bad. And my point was that baddies without BTSwould be less likely to be aggressive IMO to avoid lynching a teammate, at least the first few days, and I think they will fly low with this specific set of mechanics. Not that I wanted to vote typical low posters.

How do you think baddies with BTSC will act?

As individuals

I just think that not trying TOO hard to lynch people would be a logical move for a baddie who does not start with BTS. Depending on the player, it could also be a smart move to do the opposite for the WIFOM, but for the most part, lying low would be safer.

[S~V~S]

By the way, BEST DAY ONE EVER!!!!!

[triceratopzeuhl]

A large part of the game of mafia (at least as I perceive it) is detecting baddies through their behavior. Odd behavior does not necessarily mean they are bad, but it is often a clue. Detecting minor discrepancies is one of the most valuable tools in the civvie utility belt.

echoing this part in particular in case the 2 times I've said it this game weren't enough

[Marmot]

By the way, BEST DAY ONE EVER!!!!!

Agreed. We're already 2 pages beyond the end of Day 1 in Dr. Who, which was easily a record-setting game here in terms of post count.

[thellama73]

By the way, BEST DAY ONE EVER!!!!!

Agreed. We're already 2 pages beyond the end of Day 1 in Dr. Who, which was easily a record-setting game here in terms of post count.

I heartily agree with this. It has been an immensely fun Day One. I love how much passion and excitement everyone has.

[birdwithteeth11]

Alright. I've now had to catch up (again!), but only for 4 pages this time.

The only other thing I'd add in for now is that TH's vote for llama with no explanation whatsoever, even though he's had several opportunities to do so, shoots him right up to the top of my list along with Trice.

Unless something else major occurs, I will probably be voting either for Trice or TH.

Linki: Yeah. I was going to say this Day 1 is pretty awesome so far. I knew we were close to where Doctor Who was at the end of Day 1 right about now. At this rate, this game could easily overtake my Doctor Who game in terms of post count. Glad to see so many people invested in this game too!

[bea]

I might as well reciprocate while I'm here. I laid out my suspicion of TH earlier, and I maintain it.

*Votes Turnip Head*

llama- I missed your reasoning the first time around. Was it that he was wishy-washy with the day 0 vote? If you re-summed it between here and the end of the thread, I will catch it. Still reading up.....

[Marmot]

Boo you wound me

You said you were considering voting a low poster. I don't think any SVS (civ, baddie, or indy) would do that in a normal game, which made me think you were a baddie since the baddies are not in their normal position. You didn't go for it, but if you had I'd have voted for you on the spot because that just would have been a whole other level of out of characterish-ness.

I haven't had time to read SVS yet so I missed that but you have a good point here.

Tbh I would not vote for Bass with a family member hospitalized whether good or bad. And my point was that baddies without BTSwould be less likely to be aggressive IMO to avoid lynching a teammate, at least the first few days, and I think they will fly low with this specific set of mechanics. Not that I wanted to vote typical low posters.

How do you think baddies with BTSC will act?

As individuals

I just think that not trying TOO hard to lynch people would be a logical move for a baddie who does not start with BTS. Depending on the player, it could also be a smart move to do the opposite for the WIFOM, but for the most part, lying low would be safer.

I agree. I'm just curious since you specifically mentioned non-BTSC baddies in the first post.

[FZ.]

Even though I disagree about TH, this back and forth made me feel a little better about you llama

linki: the secrets part was just for flavour and because I like throwing around crazy theories wondering if one might actually be true. The fact that TH is acting so out of character to his baddie and civ behaviour is what is preventing me from seeing him as bad, at least for now

I don't see that as civvie behaviour. Crazy theories are called cray-cray for a reason, because they aren't likely to be tied to anything logical. Baddies like to speculate over mystery roles, and I believe they also enjoy shrouding the game in mystery.

For example, Kira's sympathizers need all the detectives dead to win. For that reason, we should assume that all detectives are on the civvie side unless otherwise proven.

Don't see how the first part is related to the second one, but at least I agree with the second...

And you don't have to like it, but it helps me.

Now, I really don't know who I want to vote for. There's a part of me that thinks the way Zomba said she liked the way I analyse things, that thinks she was trying to get on my good side, but if it's genuine, I'll feel bad. Then there's LC who has acted very calm and not crazy at all, which is something I've come to expect from him. But maybe he's busy.
I don't know what to think about Trice and Aces, because everyone seems to see Trice as bad, and maybe I'm missing something. Since I've defended him, he seems to be asking me more questions, again, maybe trying to get on my good side, or maybe he just feels I'm listening to him. so, I don't know

[boo]

This post BR:

I think I might give Llama a heart attack, but I think I am considering a vote for a lower poster, Someone I would expect to have had more to say, but who has not stepped up to the plate. Although the plate has been rather crowded for Day One

Because if I was a baddie, I don't know that I would be making aggressive cases, because the baddie I catch might be a teammate. It would be awesome cred, but I dunno, living teammates are more awesome than cred.

Also, @ MP~ is a knowledge of Death Note necessary to effectively play this game?

A lot about how I feel re the Russti theory depends on this answer. If MP says you don't need it, then someone being possible role silenced (which I have never heard of role wise, but it is not impossible, I guess) as it relates to the title of one episode of this show, that involves 2 bad characters (as well as others according to Rico) seems tenuous at best.

It would be a hindrance to gameplay to have to Google stuff all the time to try out a theory.

Although when i Googles "list of Death Note Episodes" one of them is called "Makeshift" and it is focused on the Yotsuba group.

She included that it was low posters who aren't usually, but for the post part this game it's been people who are usually low posters stepping up, not the other way around. People she could be considering voting for by the metric of being a low poster who aren't usually at that point would have included you, LC, maybe SD, maybe juliets, maybe roxy. My point there being, I wasn't really sure who she had in mind, which made me think (I already wasn't trusting her at this point) she was setting herself up to vote for a low poster who is usually a low poster. I was curious what the reaction to my idea of bass would be (I believe what I said, but I knew typical civ SVS would not, and more broadly I wanted other reactions as well). She didn't bite, which while not making me trust her means I don't intend to vote for her today.

But, it wasn't without purpose, because I'm pretty sure I'll be voting for BWT today.

He's done in D0 the kind of thing I said I would find suspicious. In his first post he establishes he'll be going with normal or L/Light, saying he's leaning normal (rehashing things other people have said for why it's the better choice).

Next post swings him to L/Light using a quote from DH. It's really just designed to show open-mindedness.

The next one sort of swings back to normal without doing it in full measure. Just questioning DH's ideas in a way other people have already done.

Then he votes L/Light (saying DH talked him into it) in his next post, but imo nothing in the quote he pulled from DH that he says convinced him is new stuff from DH at that point that BWT hadn't previously said he didn't fully support. It wasn't a vote out of nowhere, it was a vote that allowed him to take minimal responsibility in any scenario.

Couple of more D0 posts that are important. There are some D1 posts that are mostly fluff or disagreeing with some small things.

Then we have this post (the bass part being what is relevant):

Okay. That was a little intense. But I think I have a pretty good idea of what direction(s) I'm leaning towards for this lynch.

Definitely not Epig and DH. I read all that shit twice (thanks for that you fools :P), and I need time for it to absorb into my brain. Needless to say, I don't see anything for either of you, or boo for that matter, that makes me think anything other than "This is just DH/Epig/boo being DH/Epig/boo".

Aces I'm okay on. I was gung-ho to vote for him, until I went back and actually read his reasoning on the Day 0 vote. And then it became pretty clear that Trice took his post entirely out of context by quote-snipping. Given the way that Trice continues to hold onto his IMO fairly weak case, plus taking someone out-of-context, plus making a lot of posts that don't really contribute anything until Aces went and brought Trice up, I could see myself potentially voting for Trice today.

Daisy I feel good about for now. I think her fly-by vote would have been more suspicious if she'd come back in and tried to keep justifying her vote. But since she already had, I can give her a pass.

Bass I do not feel good about. He feels like the type of low-poster who is doing just enough to fly under the radar, but still seem like he's paying attention. I'd feel bad voting for someone that can't be around to defend themselves, but I could be pressed to vote in his direction if I decide to go the route of voting a low-poster.

So I'd say right now, I'm considering a vote for either Trice or bass. I'm sure I might have forgotten some other thoughts with how much I just read, but feel free to ask questions for me if you want my opinion on something else.

Linki: Look forward to hearing your insights, BR!

He doesn't reference what I had said about bass here, but he doesn't add anything to it (really just seems like he picked a low poster out of a hat and decided to say he could vote for them). Keep in mind, in this post he says he knows how he could vote, but does not (and up to this point has not) mention that he is seriously considering Trice.

A few posts dealing with llama/TH stuff, I guess he was trying to set it sorted out in his mind.

Then we get this post:

Thank you Zomberella and SVS. I have no idea if either of you are bad or not, but you boiled down your take on all the players in one post, and I appreciate it. I frankly don't have the time to comb through a couple hundred episodes of "Trice Yells at Everyone" every day. I'll offer my insight and contribute what I can, but I don't see the "discussion" coalescing around anyone in particular. All I see is argument ad nauseum around the D0 poll.

I'm happy to see so many involved, but how do you find so much to talk about when literally nothing has happened yet? The most earth-shattering event so far is the realization that Russ hasn't posted anything.

Waiting for a bandwagon to hop onto?

Hmmm...good point.

Alright. I can probably add TH and Snowman to my list, albeit I would still rank them below Trice and bass. So my list currently goes:

1) Trice
2) bass
3) TH/Snowman

Where Trice has gone from being someone BWT has barely talked to/about (there was one Trice post he quoted to say he agreed with, it was about Kira's being the #1 target) to being his primary suspect. I'm going to go ahead and say that's because at the time of this post, Trice has taken the 2 votes he's still currently sitting at and the odds are good he'll take more before the day is out.

Then in his most recent post, you challenge his bass suspicion, he cites my post about bass, and sets himself up to vote Trice if he doesn't vote bass (Trice being his top choice, but who knows how the wind will be blowing when BWT chooses to vote, right?).

So that's where I am.

some linki, just going to get this through and read.

[Epignosis]

Epig, I assume your speculation crumbles if he posts, and you will not believe in your vote any longer?

I have not voted for this exact reason.

The more I think of it, the less I can understand why Epig would want Russ instalynched for his inactivity, and for what purpose, even on a basic "he's baddie for it" level. But since this isn't quite the basic-type of a mafia game, maybe the question "do you think he's baddie" should be elaborated. So Epi:

1. Do you think Russ is Kira? Or any Kira?
2. Do you think Russ is a Shinigami? If yes, why, given that llama and myself have pointed out that it would take three "undetected" players for this type of character to be fleshed out?
3. Do you think Russ is a baddie with no major investement (i.e. a Kira Sympathizer or a Yotsuba non-Kira member)? If yes, what info or further development do you hope to obtain from lynching someone who has not had any contact of any type with anyone else so far?

And just to be clear, no, I am not asking why lynch someone if we think he's a baddie. I'm asking what kind of intelligence do we hope to obtain from lynching an inactive, if he flips bad. Cause if he's a Kira, bullzeye. If he's less than that, no way to make further connections with anyone. If he flips civ, of course, we would simply have lynched a completely inactive player.

1. Yes, specifically Misa.
2. Yes, specifically Rem. I do not think the Shinigami have the same secrets. Some have suggested that Russ could have been targeted by something, but he didn't post on Day 0 even though he voted, so I do not see how anyone would have inflicted him with that.
3. I think Russ would be posting if he could. If this were DP not posting, it would not catch my eye. Russ is a vocal and analytical contributor. As for information, I don't lynch people for the primary purpose of acquiring information (I think that kind of thinking is a dangerous one, but I'm sure some would disagree). With there being such little Mafia BTSC, at least at this juncture, I am not sure you would have much information to work with in most any lynch (pertaining to connections, anyway). Someone suggested that, if Russ is a Shinigami, he may not be capable of being lynched. Were we to lynch him and he not die, my opinion would be firm on him being a Shinigami, and I would dismiss any posts he would make going forward.

I feel like I'm channelling my inner Epi. Sorry if anything I've said is coming off rude, llama

[Marmot]

Alright. I've now had to catch up (again!), but only for 4 pages this time.

The only other thing I'd add in for now is that TH's vote for llama with no explanation whatsoever, even though he's had several opportunities to do so, shoots him right up to the top of my list along with Trice.

Unless something else major occurs, I will probably be voting either for Trice or TH.

Linki: Yeah. I was going to say this Day 1 is pretty awesome so far. I knew we were close to where Doctor Who was at the end of Day 1 right about now. At this rate, this game could easily overtake my Doctor Who game in terms of post count. Glad to see so many people invested in this game too!

To be fair though, Dr. Who started off pretty normally, but got really intense around Day 7-8.

Linki: that's massive

[FZ.]

A large part of the game of mafia (at least as I perceive it) is detecting baddies through their behavior. Odd behavior does not necessarily mean they are bad, but it is often a clue. Detecting minor discrepancies is one of the most valuable tools in the civvie utility belt.

echoing this part in particular in case the 2 times I've said it this game weren't enough

Emphasis on the minor, not huge changes that you can see on the ground from a plain in the sky

[thellama73]

I might as well reciprocate while I'm here. I laid out my suspicion of TH earlier, and I maintain it.

*Votes Turnip Head*

llama- I missed your reasoning the first time around. Was it that he was wishy-washy with the day 0 vote? If you re-summed it between here and the end of the thread, I will catch it. Still reading up.....

At the time of my vote, there were three things that bothered me about TH (there are now four.)
1. Going back and forth and contradicting himself on the Day 0 vote. I felt like he was trying too hard to be reasonable and please everyone, which I think is baddie behavior.
2. When I called him on this, he barely reacted at all, offering no real defense or argument. I have done this many times as a baddie. Ignore a minor suspicion and it's more likely to go away than if you make a big thing of it.
3. He voted for me with no real reason. I assume the reason is that I am onto him and he wants to stop me knowing my reputation for leading lynches (even if I end up being wrong a lot, I am good at attracting followers as we saw in Film Director).

Now, 4. He basically admitted that he doesn't want to lynch a suspected baddie, which is crazy.

[triceratopzeuhl]

I don't know what to think about Trice and Aces, because everyone seems to see Trice as bad, and maybe I'm missing something.

Not really, 3-4 people at most have actually said they think I'm bad. Like I said earlier, all ace has to do is repeat the same lie long enough for people to start believing it. Note that bass (at least claims to have) randomized onto me.

I've been asking more questions because ace gave up responding to me, so I can focus on more important things - finding all the other baddies too. As I outlined before, somebody with a total one track mind like aceofspades this game isn't so much of a threat to the detective cause. It appears to me that detectives don't need to be alive to win, so if my death is what it takes for the other civs to listen to me, it's for the best.

Nothing personal but I don't see why anybody would bother trying to flatter one person, in a game of 27 what is that going to accomplish?

boo - I don't know about BWT. I've played a lot of a games with him and it seems to me he is almost always behaving like this, regardless of alignment. So it's hard to tell. He almost always jumps around suspicions seemingly randomly

[Black Rock]

Thanks Boo. That was a big post and a lot of thought put into it. Gives me a lot to think about. I think I'm going to read BWT myself now.

[Marmot]

Epig, I assume your speculation crumbles if he posts, and you will not believe in your vote any longer?

I have not voted for this exact reason.

The more I think of it, the less I can understand why Epig would want Russ instalynched for his inactivity, and for what purpose, even on a basic "he's baddie for it" level. But since this isn't quite the basic-type of a mafia game, maybe the question "do you think he's baddie" should be elaborated. So Epi:

1. Do you think Russ is Kira? Or any Kira?
2. Do you think Russ is a Shinigami? If yes, why, given that llama and myself have pointed out that it would take three "undetected" players for this type of character to be fleshed out?
3. Do you think Russ is a baddie with no major investement (i.e. a Kira Sympathizer or a Yotsuba non-Kira member)? If yes, what info or further development do you hope to obtain from lynching someone who has not had any contact of any type with anyone else so far?

And just to be clear, no, I am not asking why lynch someone if we think he's a baddie. I'm asking what kind of intelligence do we hope to obtain from lynching an inactive, if he flips bad. Cause if he's a Kira, bullzeye. If he's less than that, no way to make further connections with anyone. If he flips civ, of course, we would simply have lynched a completely inactive player.

1. Yes, specifically Misa.
2. Yes, specifically Rem. I do not think the Shinigami have the same secrets. Some have suggested that Russ could have been targeted by something, but he didn't post on Day 0 even though he voted, so I do not see how anyone would have inflicted him with that.
3. I think Russ would be posting if he could. If this were DP not posting, it would not catch my eye. Russ is a vocal and analytical contributor. As for information, I don't lynch people for the primary purpose of acquiring information (I think that kind of thinking is a dangerous one, but I'm sure some would disagree). With there being such little Mafia BTSC, at least at this juncture, I am not sure you would have much information to work with in most any lynch (pertaining to connections, anyway). Someone suggested that, if Russ is a Shinigami, he may not be capable of being lynched. Were we to lynch him and he not die, my opinion would be firm on him being a Shinigami, and I would dismiss any posts he would make going forward.

Why do you think Russ is Misa and Rem? The word 'or' makes sense here, but you seem to think Russ is two different roles. Help me out here.

[thellama73]

Nothing personal but I don't see why anybody would bother trying to flatter one person, in a game of 27 what is that going to accomplish?

Having a vocal defender can be incredibly valuable. Picking one person to buddy up with is a tried and true baddie tactic.

[Ricochet]

Finally finished catching up after being away for two and a half hours. Took me only 30 minutes.

The harrowing part is that I should re-read one more time the Ace-Trice banter, because Trice is still probably my top candidate today (D0 behaviour + a few things on D1 that binged me like charging spacedaisy by stripping all her posts/behaviour of contest and a few instance of misrepresenting Ace's views in his banter with him; he's fighting to the bitter end with him, alright, but I think it's more than a opposite-spectrum feud between them and I still suspect Trice more than seeing Ace hunting with an agenda).

Snowman also really pinged me today if he seriously believes this is a game where nothing has happened so far and not much can be made to suspect anyone so far. In contrast to Bass (whose vote and the fact that he called it random is more damning, while his lack of activity isn't as much), Russ or others, he's liekly my profile of baddie skimming everything and wanting to lay low right now.

christ @ amount of linki

[FZ.]

I feel like I'm channelling my inner Epi. Sorry if anything I've said is coming off rude, llama

It was said with the utmost respect and love

[Black Rock]

I voted for Trice, he is my top suspicion for this day and I have run out of Mafia time for now. I won't be able to get back here until after the lynch so I will continue my reading later.

[FZ.]

Nothing personal but I don't see why anybody would bother trying to flatter one person, in a game of 27 what is that going to accomplish?

Having a vocal defender can be incredibly valuable. Picking one person to buddy up with is a tried and true baddie tactic.

What he said.

Finally finished catching up after being away for two and a half hours. Took me only 30 minutes.

The harrowing part is that I should re-read one more time the Ace-Trice banter, because Trice is still probably my top candidate today (D0 behaviour + a few things on D1 that binged me like charging spacedaisy by stripping all her posts/behaviour of contest and a few instance of misrepresenting Ace's views in his banter with him; he's fighting to the bitter end with him, alright, but I think it's more than a opposite-spectrum feud between them and I still suspect Trice more than seeing Ace hunting with an agenda).

Snowman also really pinged me today if he seriously believes this is a game where nothing has happened so far and not much can be made to suspect anyone so far. In contrast to Bass (whose vote and the fact that he called it random is more damning, while his lack of activity isn't as much), Russ or others, he's liekly my profile of baddie skimming everything and wanting to lay low right now.

christ @ amount of linki

Hmm, I think I agree on Snowman

[boo]

I don't know what to think about Trice and Aces, because everyone seems to see Trice as bad, and maybe I'm missing something.

Not really, 3-4 people at most have actually said they think I'm bad. Like I said earlier, all ace has to do is repeat the same lie long enough for people to start believing it. Note that bass (at least claims to have) randomized onto me.

I've been asking more questions because ace gave up responding to me, so I can focus on more important things - finding all the other baddies too. As I outlined before, somebody with a total one track mind like aceofspades this game isn't so much of a threat to the detective cause. It appears to me that detectives don't need to be alive to win, so if my death is what it takes for the other civs to listen to me, it's for the best.

Nothing personal but I don't see why anybody would bother trying to flatter one person, in a game of 27 what is that going to accomplish?

boo - I don't know about BWT. I've played a lot of a games with him and it seems to me he is almost always behaving like this, regardless of alignment. So it's hard to tell. He almost always jumps around suspicions seemingly randomly

Possibly, but I think he's the kind of player with several different types of games that he seems to go to independent of his actual alignment. In this game, the type of game he's playing, even if it is his most normal one in your opinion (I can't say I'd entirely agree), I still think it's exactly the sort of baddie game I was expecting in this game up until this point, and I'm not going to not vote for someone I think is bad because another person (or people, you won't be the only one with that view) thinks it's just that persons typical game.

[FZ.]

As for BWT, he strikes me as someone who posts more when he's a baddie. Right now, he might be posting a little more than his average, but I can't be sure

[FZ.]

BR said she was voting for Trice but her vote is on llama

[Ricochet]

BWT's style of catching-up and locking a few suspicions seems normal to me right now, imo.

[thellama73]

BR said she was voting for Trice but her vote is on llama

Oh, thanks a lot, BR.

I used sarcastic orange. Happy?

[Ricochet]

Should I missplace it, too, perhaps?

jk

[triceratopzeuhl]

Finally finished catching up after being away for two and a half hours. Took me only 30 minutes.

The harrowing part is that I should re-read one more time the Ace-Trice banter, because Trice is still probably my top candidate today (D0 behaviour + a few things on D1 that binged me like charging spacedaisy by stripping all her posts/behaviour of contest and a few instance of misrepresenting Ace's views in his banter with him; he's fighting to the bitter end with him, alright, but I think it's more than a opposite-spectrum feud between them and I still suspect Trice more than seeing Ace hunting with an agenda).

Snowman also really pinged me today if he seriously believes this is a game where nothing has happened so far and not much can be made to suspect anyone so far. In contrast to Bass (whose vote and the fact that he called it random is more damning, while his lack of activity isn't as much), Russ or others, he's liekly my profile of baddie skimming everything and wanting to lay low right now.

christ @ amount of linki

note that I didn't actually accuse spacedaisy of anything, I merely said "if you follow rob's train of thought, here's the quotes backing it." I haven't mentioned daisy as a suspicion since that point at all.

I still hold firm that I haven't misrepresented anything ace said. I strongly believe that he is claiming that because he doesn't appreciate his baddie motivations being noticed and called out.

Facts remain:
-Ace doesn't think L/Light Day 0 vote is a valid reason to be suspicious of anybody when he voted for it, and he claims baddies lay low while making uncharacteristic efforts to not lay low. Textbook self-preservation.
-I am literally the only person that Ace has analyzed or actively harbored suspicions for, whereas I am noting suspicions everywhere else while explaining my case on him. I want baddies dead, he just wants me dead, otherwise he would be participating in the discussions around Russ and TH and Epignosis and anybody else.


linki - I'll wait and see how many more times BWT changes his mind before I think about it too much

[thellama73]

I'm going to be seriously hacked off if I end up getting lynched due to a misplaced vote.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

All this discussion is making me angry. I'll surely be voting one of you dreaded high posters.

But in all seriousness, maybe I won't even randomize this Day 1.

[FZ.]

BR said she was voting for Trice but her vote is on llama

Oh, thanks a lot, BR.

I used sarcastic orange. Happy?

I think it's between Zombarella and Snowman for me. While I hate to vote for Zoombarella after the nice things she said about me, I've seen her play and she's not giving half of it this game. Yeah, she has another game, but this is getting closer to deadline and she's posted just enough to stay under the radar. In the other game she's more aggressive, and came charging into the game. I don't see any of it right now.


linki: Don't hosts let players change their vote if it's placed by mistake?

[Ricochet]

Finally finished catching up after being away for two and a half hours. Took me only 30 minutes.

The harrowing part is that I should re-read one more time the Ace-Trice banter, because Trice is still probably my top candidate today (D0 behaviour + a few things on D1 that binged me like charging spacedaisy by stripping all her posts/behaviour of contest and a few instance of misrepresenting Ace's views in his banter with him; he's fighting to the bitter end with him, alright, but I think it's more than a opposite-spectrum feud between them and I still suspect Trice more than seeing Ace hunting with an agenda).

Snowman also really pinged me today if he seriously believes this is a game where nothing has happened so far and not much can be made to suspect anyone so far. In contrast to Bass (whose vote and the fact that he called it random is more damning, while his lack of activity isn't as much), Russ or others, he's liekly my profile of baddie skimming everything and wanting to lay low right now.

christ @ amount of linki

note that I didn't actually accuse spacedaisy of anything, I merely said "if you follow rob's train of thought, here's the quotes backing it." I haven't mentioned daisy as a suspicion since that point at all.

I still hold firm that I haven't misrepresented anything ace said. I strongly believe that he is claiming that because he doesn't appreciate his baddie motivations being noticed and called out.

Facts remain:
-Ace doesn't think L/Light Day 0 vote is a valid reason to be suspicious of anybody when he voted for it, and he claims baddies lay low while making uncharacteristic efforts to not lay low. Textbook self-preservation.
-I am literally the only person that Ace has analyzed or actively harbored suspicions for, whereas I am noting suspicions everywhere else while explaining my case on him. I want baddies dead, he just wants me dead, otherwise he would be participating in the discussions around Russ and TH and Epignosis and anybody else.

linki - I'll wait and see how many more times BWT changes his mind before I think about it too much

The fact that you took Epig's angle on spacedaisy doesn't help me much. There was a lot of "spacedaisy voted without reasoning" said by many people that I personally didn't understand, either blaming her for not posting on the spot (in which case, ok), for forgetting that she analysed the whole options earlier. You actually quoting from that analysis, yet snipping all the way to a convenient "I can't decide between Normal and L/Lynch", is still not a good sign for me.

[Zombarella]

I'm here. Reading posts from today.

@Llama, so I think my assessment of your posting was based on length not number. I'm gonna have to reassess how I assess. Anyway, not voting for you today.