Death Note Mafia [END]

[Zombarella]

Dang, I need to go, and I don't think I'll be back before going to sleep. I don't feel comfortable voting for any of those with votes yet Zombarealla, if you're a civvie, I'm really sorry.

*votes zombarealla*

I am and I promise to never say anything nice about you ever again!

[Zombarella]

I'm here. Reading posts from today.

@Llama, so I think my assessment of your posting was based on length not number. I'm gonna have to reassess how I assess. Anyway, not voting for you today.

Now you come?

I didn't even know you posted this! It's totally a coincidence. I was still on page 13.....................! where is the super frustrated the world is against me smiley!

[Boomslang]

Dang, I need to go, and I don't think I'll be back before going to sleep. I don't feel comfortable voting for any of those with votes yet Zombarealla, if you're a civvie, I'm really sorry.

*votes zombarealla*

Reading over FZ's posts, this desire to vote really seems to come from nowhere for me. He mentions her "saying nice things" about him, with the counterpoint (in the same post) being that she simply hasn't been active in what has been an overwhelmingly complicated thread. He seems torn between her and Snowman, then expresses the decision to vote in his next post, 3 minutes later. Then as soon as she throws up a post, he backpedals. I'm not sure what's going on, but it seems fishy.

Him? He? His?

Derp, I'm sorry; excuse me while I check both the player list and my privilege.

[boo]

I don't believe you. *voting BWT*

[Epignosis]

DH's reasoning simply convinced me it was the right decision is all.

I can tell you where your first mistake was.

[Matahari]

sheesh, I still have 3 pages before i'm caught back up. I will say that no matter what anyone else thinks, I believe that worrying about challenges matters. Too many innocent ppl get lynched from baddies seizing an opportunity to use things against them. And facts and logic are wasted on me, they too can be manipulated. So, going on the feels, I'm putting some faith in Aces, he has an uncanny nose when it comes to sniffing out baddies with little info to go on (by that, I mean I wasn't sold on every argument made in the posts, but that combined with how sure he seems, is important). I'm also giving Epi's case some serious thought, not as convinced there, but worth a reread. Looking at 2 other ppl, but I want to catch up before I say anymore.

[Tangrowth]

Alright, folks, I'm here.

Regarding BR's vote: regardless of whether she comes back and pleads with me to change it, I won't let her. Votes are final. When it comes to a contradiction between what someone has said in thread and voted in the poll, the poll trumps.

Tough luck.

I'm here. Reading posts from today.

@Llama, so I think my assessment of your posting was based on length not number. I'm gonna have to reassess how I assess. Anyway, not voting for you today.

Brevity is the soul of wit, quoth the Bard.

Wu Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with, quoth the Wu Tang Clan.

By the way, BEST DAY ONE EVER!!!!!

I, too, am pleased at how this game has progressed.

My mood will shift, however, if there are missing votes.

[triceratopzeuhl]

If that's the best case you can come up with, you're not going to manage to lynch a civ today like you so badly want to

What?

I defend myself from DH/him, and at the same time level my own accusations, he responds by saying "im gonna lynch u now" instead of defending himself, what are you asking about? Aceofspades is:

L/Light supporter
low poster
sharing other people's ideas exclusively - without even going back to the original "suspicious" posts

it's not concrete but it's multiple pings - lynching baddies consistently is about either an obvious slip (there have been none yet by anybody) or behaviour recognition over the course of several days.

If I have time this evening I'll read back through the thread and determine which people aceofspades is pulling theories from (be nice if he had used quotes instead of barely rephrasing) - if they are similarly L/Light supporters with other pings, I'm probably on to something here.

As I said before, keeping an eye on people who do something isn't remotely the same thing as lynching somebody for doing something - which is what DH and AceOfSpades are bother trying to do. The game isn't the simplistic - not if you want to win. Flag it and continue playing, vote the players with the most flags.

Tricer did you ever do this? I did not see anything about it in your posts.

I didn't bother because his suspicion of me (taken directly from DH originally) was the only one he mentioned even a single other time this game.

BWT - I don't see why I'm "latching onto him" by discussing tons of things, but he's not "latching onto me" by making 80% of his posts about me. I didn't even vote for him.

[Zombarella]

@Acer – I like your summary list. It seems cool and collected and more civ like than not.

Me and S~V~S had an exchange on here just last night about how it's inconvenient for some people to read through five paragraphs just to get the basics of a case. I did this so people would have a quick reference. Because I am nice like that.

@Tricer – The things you are saying are weird. You didn’t act normal in Donner (when you were bad) because the game was weird, but you are acting normal now, which means you are a civ, because you are an confrontational when you are bad, but you’re being an a**h**** now because you always are….You are pinging me but you did agree with me about Turnip Head:

We must continue to observe his behavior until there can be no doubt.

That's a little weird.

And I think your summary list defending yourself against Acer is good (a little hot-headed but good). I don’t think I’ll vote for you today.

[boo]

sheesh, I still have 3 pages before i'm caught back up. I will say that no matter what anyone else thinks, I believe that worrying about challenges matters. Too many innocent ppl get lynched from baddies seizing an opportunity to use things against them. And facts and logic are wasted on me, they too can be manipulated. So, going on the feels, I'm putting some faith in Aces, he has an uncanny nose when it comes to sniffing out baddies with little info to go on (by that, I mean I wasn't sold on every argument made in the posts, but that combined with how sure he seems, is important). I'm also giving Epi's case some serious thought, not as convinced there, but worth a reread. Looking at 2 other ppl, but I want to catch up before I say anymore.

Facts can be manipulated?!

Hmmm.

Fact, everyone's screen name is their screen name.

I am now manipulating this fact into all of your screen names now being boo is awesome.

I look forward to the successful results of my manipulation of the facts!

:P

[Marmot]

Maybe I should miss the vote and see what happens.

[triceratopzeuhl]

And facts and logic are wasted on me, they too can be manipulated. So, going on the feels...

Facts can be manipulated?!

#justtumblrthings

[Boomslang]

Maybe I should miss the vote and see what happens.

[Zombarella]

Maybe I should miss the vote and see what happens.

[Marmot]

Ok I'll vote.

[juliets]

Trice, I don't really understand what you are saying because your post refers to the past so supposedly aces had already pulled things from people who voted Light/L. I have to also add though that I thought Aces reasoning about baddies voting normal lynch made some sense to me and though I haven't yet I will take another look at who those people who voted that option. Not saying I totally believe it but his reasoning was solid I felt.

I went back and read both yours and Aces posts and came out of that experience feeling sure you had misrepresented what Aces said - several times in fact. I feel like Aces summed it all up when he said:

Here is my Tl;dr

Trice started this day making a bunch of fluff post, then when I said I was suspicious of him he wigged out and responded in a manner consistent with mafia members (over defensive, using flimsy evidence to try and discredit me, taking my post out of context to conjure up a poor case)

Though I would prefer you took the time to read the whole case. I put a lot effort into it.

I did note in reading that you had some posts that weren't fluff posts proceeding his calling you out but there were enough fluff posts to make me uneasy.

My read is that you are bad and even though the evidence might not be overwhelming it's what I've got for today.

Voting Trice

[DharmaHelper]

What an interestingly close vote.

[Zombarella]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

[Epignosis]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

Why is my vote so important to you?

[Zombarella]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Trice, I don't really understand what you are saying because your post refers to the past so supposedly aces had already pulled things from people who voted Light/L. I have to also add though that I thought Aces reasoning about baddies voting normal lynch made some sense to me and though I haven't yet I will take another look at who those people who voted that option. Not saying I totally believe it but his reasoning was solid I felt.

I went back and read both yours and Aces posts and came out of that experience feeling sure you had misrepresented what Aces said - several times in fact. I feel like Aces summed it all up when he said:

Here is my Tl;dr

Trice started this day making a bunch of fluff post, then when I said I was suspicious of him he wigged out and responded in a manner consistent with mafia members (over defensive, using flimsy evidence to try and discredit me, taking my post out of context to conjure up a poor case)

Though I would prefer you took the time to read the whole case. I put a lot effort into it.

I did note in reading that you had some posts that weren't fluff posts proceeding his calling you out but there were enough fluff posts to make me uneasy.

My read is that you are bad and even though the evidence might not be overwhelming it's what I've got for today.

Voting Trice

It's interesting that you admit to not understanding my point, but instead of asking for clarification you just vote for me immediately

[Epignosis]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

Interesting. This means that you don't have any suspect of your own, given that your vote is contingent upon what I do in the next fifty minutes, despite the fact that I have more than one suspect and may have lied about some of them.

[Marmot]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

I think it would be foolish to vote someone on Day 1 for not posting.

[triceratopzeuhl]

So far the votes against me are: 1 randomized, 2 probable baddies, and one non-participant. I hope the rest of y'all get around to voting for an actually baddie soon

[Epignosis]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

I think it would be foolish to vote someone on Day 1 for not posting.

There are many foolish reasons to vote someone, but in my experience as a host, that isn't one of them. And he didn't post Day 0 either.

[juliets]

Trice I made an assumption about your answer, i.e., that you had to give a reason that didn't fit the question I was asking because you had not gone back and looked after you said you would. But just so there is no misunderstanding going forward, please clarify. I can't change my vote but maybe it will stop others from voting for you.

[Zombarella]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

I think it would be foolish to vote someone on Day 1 for not posting.

Right. So what's Epi's game then? Uncharacteristically go after someone for not posting based on an unsubstantiated theory, call out TH for not supporting him, drum up lynch votes for TH, then not vote Russ in the end? That feels pretty wrong.

[Zombarella]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

Dang it Zomba! Edit! I mean that if Epi doesn't vote for Russ, then I will vote for Epi.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Trice I made an assumption about your answer, i.e., that you had to give a reason that didn't fit the question I was asking because you had not gone back and looked after you said you would. But just so there is no misunderstanding going forward, please clarify. I can't change my vote but maybe it will stop others from voting for you.

what

You asked if I had done this. I said no I have not. The reason I did not is that it would involve reading 20 pages of thread, but I already know aceofspades is probably bad from his behaviour following that point. Aceofspades also completely abandoned all those ideas immediately after mentioning them, so for all I know he just randomly pulled thoughts from other posters - meaning they likely have no connection to him and there is no point figuring out who it was.

It's pretty straightforward.

Here I thought you were confused about one of my other posts, not that

[birdwithteeth11]

I don't believe you. *voting BWT*

Well then believe in your faulty logic.

[triceratopzeuhl]

35 minutes left and 15 missing votes

[DharmaHelper]

35 minutes left and 15 missing votes

Welcome to my hell.

[Tangrowth]

I will not hesitate to punish players for missing votes. You've been warned.

[Ricochet]

inb4 14 modkills

[S~V~S]

I voted for FZ. I think she is not acting like a civvie, she keeps talking about how bad or not bad a variety of people are, and then she votes for someone for a really weak reason? Normally that would be no biggie, but this was a crazy Day One, and she was right in the thick of it for quite a bit of it. Or said she was going to vote, and then did not.

Not buying it.

[Epignosis]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

Dang it Zomba! Edit! I mean that if Epi doesn't vote for Russ, then I will vote for Epi.

If I miss the vote, will you?

[thellama73]

I'll be on the radio when this lynch ends. I hope I will be alive when I get off my call.

[Ricochet]

Wrapping up:

TH's Russ theories are pretty bonkers, but for a completely inactive player, Russ has received nothing but theories and canon-suspicions today; if you ask me, that schedule part is actually very deeply rooted to the character's trait, so it could be totally flavour. But even so, I think TH's may have mixed up wanting to observe if a player's behaviour will seem very strict in the following days and wanting to say Russ is that player, prompting others to question why he wouldn't want to get rid of Russ if he thinks he's XKira. I don't know, I see more confusion here. As for Russ, I will clearly not advocate silencing him for good without any grasp of why he isn't playing actively thus far.

Re: FZ, I notice several senior players are expecting a high standard of gameplay from her and to them she fails to deliver so far. I have no doubt she is a great player, but so far I have not noticed her to be so decisive and upfront in the early days (referencing Film, of course, where sadly she didn't even get to play too much), so I have no demands in that regard. It is a bit off to want to gun down two indecisive players and, at the same time, major game new players, out of which her case on Zomba is definitely odd, but right now she hasn't decided to go for it and may not do it after all. As for her comments on pursuing or not Yotsuba, I'm starting to see a pattern of players (her and Epi, so far) trying to diminish the importance of Yotsuba non-Kira members in the game's equation and I think it deserves closer inspection in the upcoming days.

I reckon Snowman's status falls under major league new player as well, so I'll withold from thinking of voting for him, but I really expect more starting tomorrow. Efforts to catch-up/adapt/keep up with the game have been various around here, but the lowpost-type "I didn't pick up much" is the least convincing type of reaction, imo.

As for Trice, I've tried my best with re-read him in more than one light, but he still sticks out to me for his D0 stance and his uhm diatribe? with Ace and I see him more as the antagonizer, especially early on this Day. Back then, much of what Ace charged him with resonanted with what my thoughts were and in a way they still do.

votes Trice

[Boomslang]

35 minutes left and 15 missing votes

Welcome to my hell.

I feel like the game is in a Mexican standoff right now... So guess I'll be among the first to shoot. I think there's a lot of information that came out of the Trice/Ace exchange, most of which showed Trice to be self-contradictory and a bit flustered. I'm not reading a genuine defense in those posts, so I'm going to add my vote.

linki w/Rico: I feel the same way about Russ, but I feel a little less forgiving toward TH. Hopefully Russ posts tomorrow and can give some good intel. Also skeptical of FZ; Snowman's few posts suggest a lack of involvement with the game, which hasn't yet made itself clear to me as ignorance or malice.

[Marmot]

I will not hesitate to punish players for missing votes. You've been warned.

Or we could just pretend that those players all put a proxy vote on TH.

[Zombarella]

Trice I made an assumption about your answer, i.e., that you had to give a reason that didn't fit the question I was asking because you had not gone back and looked after you said you would. But just so there is no misunderstanding going forward, please clarify. I can't change my vote but maybe it will stop others from voting for you.

what

You asked if I had done this. I said no I have not. The reason I did not is that it would involve reading 20 pages of thread, but I already know aceofspades is probably bad from his behaviour following that point. Aceofspades also completely abandoned all those ideas immediately after mentioning them, so for all I know he just randomly pulled thoughts from other posters - meaning they likely have no connection to him and there is no point figuring out who it was.

It's pretty straightforward.

Here I thought you were confused about one of my other posts, not that

Are you saying that you didn't read the thread?!? Seriously?

[Ricochet]

35 minutes left and 15 missing votes

Welcome to my hell.

I feel like the game is in a Mexican standoff right now... So guess I'll be among the first to shoot. I think there's a lot of information that came out of the Trice/Ace exchange, most of which showed Trice to be self-contradictory and a bit flustered. I'm not reading a genuine defense in those posts, so I'm going to add my vote.

linki w/Rico: I feel the same way about Russ, but I feel a little less forgiving toward TH. Hopefully Russ posts tomorrow and can give some good intel. Also skeptical of FZ; Snowman's few posts suggest a lack of involvement with the game, which hasn't yet made itself clear to me as ignorance or malice.

This is his problematic post, the last part especially, if you ask me.

Thank you Zomberella and SVS. I have no idea if either of you are bad or not, but you boiled down your take on all the players in one post, and I appreciate it. I frankly don't have the time to comb through a couple hundred episodes of "Trice Yells at Everyone" every day. I'll offer my insight and contribute what I can, but I don't see the "discussion" coalescing around anyone in particular. All I see is argument ad nauseum around the D0 poll.

I'm happy to see so many involved, but how do you find so much to talk about when literally nothing has happened yet? The most earth-shattering event so far is the realization that Russ hasn't posted anything.

Even if ignorant or uninvolved, it still made me very wary.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Since it looks like I'm getting lynched today - there will be a whole lot of "I told you so" when ace, bwt, TH, and possibly blackrock and DH turn up baddie. Callin' it now

linki - zomba - are you shitting me? I didn't say that at all

[Zombarella]

Um...Epi? Are you going to vote? Is Russ not your prime suspect? I mean, how can we let that baddie live?

If Epi doesn't vote for Russ, after all of that fuss (heh heh - I'm a poet) then I might vote for him.

Dang it Zomba! Edit! I mean that if Epi doesn't vote for Russ, then I will vote for Epi.

If I miss the vote, will you?

@6:20:59

[Zombarella]

Since it looks like I'm getting lynched today - there will be a whole lot of "I told you so" when ace, bwt, TH, and possibly blackrock and DH turn up baddie. Callin' it now

linki - zomba - are you shitting me? I didn't say that at all

Oh good, cause you wrote half of it.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Since it looks like I'm getting lynched today - there will be a whole lot of "I told you so" when ace, bwt, TH, and possibly blackrock and DH turn up baddie. Callin' it now

it is really hard to get a read on the huge number of people who have barely participated other than to come along and say "I vote somebody because somebody else made a good case," though

[Matahari]

Ok, I wound up voting first so as not to miss it. Voted BWT.

The other 2 players I mentioned earlier were FZ and BWT. I dont know if I've played with FZ before, so had nothing to make comparisons with, but I felt like her posts were calculated to be non-committal and still sound like she was baddie-hunting at the same time. They reminded me of baddie Hedge. BWT had caught my eye a zillion pages ago when he responded in support of a few posts without actually saying why he felt the same way. He just supported whatever the player said as though it was an established fact. I don't even remember who now, but I will look it up after things settle down.

Boo, yes, sadly facts, numbers, logic etc can be presented in any way a person with an agenda wants to present them. I've always thought LC should win an award for this kind of talent, he makes an awesome baddie because his presentation of facts sounds perfectly acceptable, even after the civvie gets lynched

[Epignosis]

The thread is now locked.

[Tangrowth]

The thread is now locked.

Real funny. :P

[Epignosis]

The thread is now locked.

Real funny. :P