WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

#851

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:43 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:36 am Politician only appears in worlds with 1 mafia team.
why is that? I think it would make sense in multiball precisely because multiple scum teams cannot manipulate wagons as well, so the politician needs to be outed mafia basically to work

Look at the role matrix in the opening post. I count 10 possible Worlds with the Politician role, and none of these 10 Worlds have a second mafia team.

#852

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:46 am Look at the role matrix in the opening post. I count 10 possible Worlds with the Politician role, and none of these 10 Worlds have a second mafia team.

oh okay

clearly I haven't tried doing that at all, I'll roll with this being the case

#853

checking nicole for spew brb

#854

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:37 am
Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:30 am Your continued inability to find me here is distressing
I don't find you in many games

this is one of those games if you're town

You're not even acting like you care to try

You most of all ought to understand me here and you're just flat out ignoring basically everything that you should recognize as my town attitude

And for what, yet another bout of paranoia about how I'm just some wolf of unlimited ability and wim, as if I haven't just proved that repeatedly proved that wrong?

#855

NicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2026 7:41 pm
gims wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2026 2:52 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2026 2:28 pmgims town

we're towncoring here, friends, hop on!
No

dont ask me why but I think this makes more sense when vivax is town than not

spurs also town for the early nicole push

she interacts with DM a lot, not sure if relevant but maybe relevant if she is trying to softball with a partner

halfway into this: there's no way nicole was town btw, this is pure mafia filler gameplay, she was not town

NicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 3:57 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 1:54 pm
<3 Though I wish we met in the ring

[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

I was already townreading tranq for origami but I'm particularly townreading tranq for origami posting with nicole, I think s^s interactions will be a little more awkward than this and he just feels comfortable enough there. + nicole tried pushing tranq, I get this is thinner but none of this rang as distancing to me.

NicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 5:43 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 5:03 pm Could you explain your vote rationale a bit?
Switching from the one I was scumreading (Tranq) to me seems contextually a bit odd.
Would you define your votes as meaningful?
I'm sheeping spurs because they r very towny.
I also liked Tranq's reasoning for their post.

Not really meaningful I don't feel super strongly on most people but I generally try to use my vote when able day 1.

my guess is that everyone in this dynamics (spurs, tranq, vivax) is more likely town than not for how nicole is talking to/about them

spurs 'r very towny' seems to be spewing spurs town, which I guess I'm already on confbiasing point when it comes to spurs but it is further evidence of town spurs

vivax' push against nicole also seems pure on vivax' end of things

NicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 8:28 am
gims wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 5:37 am well I think I'm down to just trusting vivax, scotty and tranq

honestly want to townread duelist but her multiball point + approach to me felt jumpy yesterday so I'm backing off from townreading her for now

her leetic vote seems fine tho

nutella is finding her footing still which is pair of the course for her towngame but its early and she becomes obvious later on so im holding onto that

still not really feeling nicole, i guess her leetic sus is okay but she is reminding me a bit of an old scumgame of hers

game too large and i dont have many townreads

push comes to shove im sheeping scotty and maybe nutella if i feel good abt it
DM feels super town imo.
I super get the antsiness over the anticlaim stuff and this is town!DM besides it

thats an odd read... maybe its TMI on town!DM?

NicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 11:01 pm Yeah leetic is feeling survivalistic here and I don't really like them just bemoaning the wagon on them. I actually feel quite a bit better about this wagon than earlier.

[VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Anyway gotta bounce for rest of day prolly, maybe can check in once more in like an hour.

I'll sit on this post for a while, not sure if it makes sense as a bussing spot or she is just throwing a vote on a potential counterwagon to herself to survive

#856

I just noticed tranq's anxiety ridden cuticules and smiled

#857

Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:52 am You're not even acting like you care to try

You most of all ought to understand me here and you're just flat out ignoring basically everything that you should recognize as my town attitude

And for what, yet another bout of paranoia about how I'm just some wolf of unlimited ability and wim, as if I haven't just proved that repeatedly proved that wrong?

alright sure, youre probably town

I havent really read OP with any attention so the whole multiball commenting and millers and whatnot feels alien to me

also I don't know why we'd even focus on it until the mech is more determined so I've been reading some of your posting as filler

but you are right that you are more eager than most of your scumgames + youre probably burnt out from randing mafia all the time

okokok

#858

also its possible, maybe even likely, that nicole was TMIing you back then

#859

DM is trekkie towning abt?

#860

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:01 pm dont ask me why but I think this makes more sense when vivax is town than not

I meant tranq, I'm conflating them both, sorry

#861

So here are the wagonomics movements yesterday towards EOD:

Here is the VC at the top of page 13 (2150 EDT, ~8h until EOD), just before nutella says she wants the Nicole wagon to come back. The Nicole wagon had just disassembled as nutella had come off of Nicole onto me and then epig, and there was some discussion about how large the leetic wagon was getting.

Spoiler: show

Here it is at 2300 EDT (~7h until EOD) at top of page 14, right as Nicole drops her vote on leetic and bounces. In retrospect, this is a pretty savage outcome for her as she almost certainly thought she was safe as she was going to bed with no votes and 5/4 wagons on leetic and Epig.

Spoiler: show

Around 0130 EDT (top of page 15, 4.5h until EOD). The nutella block starts shifting from Epig to Nicole. Others have pointed this out, but Duelist is pushing back pretty hard against this shift. Interestingly, Scotty votes for pyxxy, then joins pyxxy on Rondo, and DM flaps around over in that direction after stopping briefly on Epig.

Spoiler: show

And this is the VC at the top of page 16 (around 0300, 3h from EOD). It's a 4-way tie, but Wilgy's vote on Nicole and aggressive wolf-read leads to that wagon really taking off. Long Con and Epig were both coming for DM.

Spoiler: show

And this is the final VC. As Nicole's wagon is building, I notice jess and leetic kind of commenting about being sus of a wagon building up on d1. Leetic brings the DM wagon to 6/4, which could be a last gasp to try and bring a counterwagon forward? Tranq then votes Nicole, with the justification that they think DM is town. Looking back, it appears that Nicole actually voted vivax, so it's possible they never actually moved their vote earlier when they said they were moving to leetic.

Spoiler: show

ETA: correction

#862

Final Favorite video game franchise vote

The Legend of Zelda (1) - Spurs
Mega Man (1) - Long Con
Portal (4) - Golden, Tranq
TBOI (1) - Nicole
Super Meat Boy () -
Pokemon (1) - Porscha
Frogger (1) - Scotty
Factorio (1) - Vivax
Final Fantasy (1) - gims
Bioshock (1) - dubz
Hades (1) - pyxxy
Roller Coaster Tycoon (1) - jess
civ (1) - Mac

Winner: Portal
Missing: Slightly less than half

#863

DrWilgy - quick skim says town
Dubz
Duelist Mirage - rolling with this worldview for now as nicole's comment abt DM and DM's attitude towards me match with her town meta and being unpaired with nicole
Epignosis
Gims
GoSpursGo
Jess
leetic
Long Con
MacDougall
Michelle
Nutella
Porscha
Pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle
Scotty
Tranq
Trekkie99
Vivax

working with this for now

#864

can a town vig shoot pyxxy so we dont have to waste a flip there?

#865

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:46 am
gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:43 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:36 am Politician only appears in worlds with 1 mafia team.
why is that? I think it would make sense in multiball precisely because multiple scum teams cannot manipulate wagons as well, so the politician needs to be outed mafia basically to work
Look at the role matrix in the opening post. I count 10 possible Worlds with the Politician role, and none of these 10 Worlds have a second mafia team.

This would be really nice if true.

#866

trusting LC for now, I suppose

#867

zero reason to townread dubz

#868

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 10:36 am maybe they didn't cause it would out them after she eventually flipped

good chance that this was never tried by the scum team, especially when I look at the wagon which seems to be most if not all townies

Maybe they didn't because they're just not very active

I agree on the wagon comp, so that just further supports the idea that wolves aren't very influential or even trying to be

#869

mkay

we can flip dubz and pyxxy tonight I suppose

sending my kill brb

#870

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 11:36 am This cannot be multiball, right? Politician only appears in worlds with 1 mafia team.

Does it? Cool

I had a paranoid thought about other team switching the role with surgeon to make it look like singleball but that's not how it works. And Nicole doing that to herself would be ludicrous

#871

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:05 pm DM is trekkie towning abt?

Eh I'm not like feeling his towniness from his posting too much but I don't think he's opening the game trying to townread his wolf buddy Nicole, particularly when she's already getting heat

I was wolf with him in your game, remember, and I very much felt his reluctance to townread buddies like me (who very much wanted to be playing that way!)

#872

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:02 pm I just noticed tranq's anxiety ridden cuticules and smiled

#873

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:02 pm I just noticed tranq's anxiety ridden cuticules and smiled

Not that it's a wolf origami ?

#874

It's a cow!

#875

@gims if anyone on Nicole’s wagon is wolf, I’d wager it’s Nutella. But she has had town vibes all the way, and this is mainly on account of the politician. So this would be my ZANY deep wolf theory.

I could be big braining it and mafia didn’t have a strong plan to push for Nicole and fulfill her role to her max benefit.

In any case, I think this wagon picture (thanks spurs) is telling:

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole () -
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)

Nicole chose leetic over Epi as the counterwagon, and I don’t think she makes that decision on a wolf partner leetic.

Epi is a whole other thing tho, and I think he deserves some definite scrutiny

#876

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm Epi is a whole other thing tho, and I think he deserves some definite scrutiny

agreed

#877

so maybe a silly question but if we are living in a multiball world, do we know if this would be reflected in nicole's flip? like would it say "team A" or something?

#878

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm Nicole chose leetic over Epi as the counterwagon, and I don’t think she makes that decision on a wolf partner leetic.

agreed w/this, the way that lnicole gave herself room to jump on the leetic wagon gives me the vibe of a wolf who was trying to capitalize on a miselimination. i think leetic is spewed not mafia with nicole from it

NicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 6:34 pm I'll probably jump on leetic wagon if nothing changes? Dont have much access to the game tonight but will be back before deadline

NicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 11:01 pm Yeah leetic is feeling survivalistic here and I don't really like them just bemoaning the wagon on them. I actually feel quite a bit better about this wagon than earlier.

[VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Anyway gotta bounce for rest of day prolly, maybe can check in once more in like an hour.

#879

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm Epi is a whole other thing tho, and I think he deserves some definite scrutiny
agreed

Aye. Specifically when Nicole starting getting votes, Epi voted DM and then tried to recruit Wilgy into swinging the votes.

Based on vote timing, he is suspicious.
Based on posting though, i don't think as mafia Epi would be this obvious? He strikes me more of a teammate bussing kind of player.
No mention of Rondo is also weird. At that time DM-Nicole-Rondo were tied 3 votes each.

#880

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm @gims if anyone on Nicole’s wagon is wolf, I’d wager it’s Nutella. But she has had town vibes all the way, and this is mainly on account of the politician. So this would be my ZANY deep wolf theory.

While I generally agree with the premise that most people on Nicole’s wagon look very towny (so please don’t @ me those of you who feel entitled to your clear and aren’t getting it), I think Nutella and Wilgy are the players most cleared by Nicole’s flip.

Nutella spent an hour + prior to the wagon restarting trying to get it restarted, so they would need to be very committed to the strategy of flipping the politician despite logistically it being challenging to build a 10 person wagon in a game of this size. I think at that point they just focus on making whoever isn’t a wolf between leetic and Epig and save the politician play for later.

Wilgy could have picked any of the tied wagons to hop on, and chose Nicole. Given that it was a 4 way tie, again it just seems more likely they would pick a non wolf wagon.

I think you could make an argument really for any other slot making sense as a bus, again from a pure wagonomics perspective. Other than Nutella I have not done an in depth analysis of how others on the Nicole wagon treated her slot earlier in the day.

#881

I also agree with the point about leetic looking townspewed from Nicole’s vote, and epig looking suspicious

#882

GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm @gims if anyone on Nicole’s wagon is wolf, I’d wager it’s Nutella. But she has had town vibes all the way, and this is mainly on account of the politician. So this would be my ZANY deep wolf theory.
While I generally agree with the premise that most people on Nicole’s wagon look very towny (so please don’t @ me those of you who feel entitled to your clear and aren’t getting it), I think Nutella and Wilgy are the players most cleared by Nicole’s flip.

Nutella spent an hour + prior to the wagon restarting trying to get it restarted, so they would need to be very committed to the strategy of flipping the politician despite logistically it being challenging to build a 10 person wagon in a game of this size. I think at that point they just focus on making whoever isn’t a wolf between leetic and Epig and save the politician play for later.

Wilgy could have picked any of the tied wagons to hop on, and chose Nicole. Given that it was a 4 way tie, again it just seems more likely they would pick a non wolf wagon.

I think you could make an argument really for any other slot making sense as a bus, again from a pure wagonomics perspective. Other than Nutella I have not done an in depth analysis of how others on the Nicole wagon treated her slot earlier in the day.

Yeah the more I think about it, the more it doesn’t make sense for mafia to push for Nicole at all.

It’s a wasted day on a prospective no-elim, where they could be pooling elsewhere on, say, leetic. Or DM

#883

jess wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:36 pm so maybe a silly question but if we are living in a multiball world, do we know if this would be reflected in nicole's flip? like would it say "team A" or something?

Tranq had determined that no world exists with multiball and a politician. So we’ve got 3-4 mafia on this world and some 3p’s.

Even worlds where there is a forger and multiball can’t exist a politician as the forger must include a role from this world.

I’m firmly of the mind this is straight ballin

#884

GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:57 pm I also agree with the point about leetic looking townspewed from Nicole’s vote, and epig looking suspicious

A silly minor point—this assumes that Nicole actually meant to move her vote to leetic (she said so, but her final vote was still vivax).

#885

GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:01 pm
GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:57 pm I also agree with the point about leetic looking townspewed from Nicole’s vote, and epig looking suspicious
A silly minor point—this assumes that Nicole actually meant to move her vote to leetic (she said so, but her final vote was still vivax).

I think that is a good assumption, but I also think this looks good for Vivax too lol

Just in case she inadvertently left a vote on her partner before moving? I’d definitely remember not to leave that parked on my partner

#886

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:05 pm
GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:01 pm
GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:57 pm I also agree with the point about leetic looking townspewed from Nicole’s vote, and epig looking suspicious
A silly minor point—this assumes that Nicole actually meant to move her vote to leetic (she said so, but her final vote was still vivax).
I think that is a good assumption, but I also think this looks good for Vivax too lol

Just in case she inadvertently left a vote on her partner before moving? I’d definitely remember not to leave that parked on my partner

Agreed. I think it’s very unlikely vivax is paired with Nicole, just not completely and utterly impossible.

#887

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm @gims if anyone on Nicole’s wagon is wolf, I’d wager it’s Nutella. But she has had town vibes all the way, and this is mainly on account of the politician. So this would be my ZANY deep wolf theory.

I could be big braining it and mafia didn’t have a strong plan to push for Nicole and fulfill her role to her max benefit.

In any case, I think this wagon picture (thanks spurs) is telling:
Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole () -
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)
Nicole chose leetic over Epi as the counterwagon, and I don’t think she makes that decision on a wolf partner leetic.

Epi is a whole other thing tho, and I think he deserves some definite scrutiny

As has been pointed out, what's with Nicole's vote on leetic? Like, she voted leetic at some point I guess because it's in that VC, but her vote is on Vivax at end of day, which was her prior stated vote. Forgetting to actually move back? (I guess that would make them both likely town). Pretending to move back and hoping to pass it off as forgetting later?

Wait did she even vote leetic first before Vivax, that doesn't seem right

Ugh this having to process discrepancies between votes in thread and polls is annoying

#888

Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm @gims if anyone on Nicole’s wagon is wolf, I’d wager it’s Nutella. But she has had town vibes all the way, and this is mainly on account of the politician. So this would be my ZANY deep wolf theory.

I could be big braining it and mafia didn’t have a strong plan to push for Nicole and fulfill her role to her max benefit.

In any case, I think this wagon picture (thanks spurs) is telling:
Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole () -
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)
Nicole chose leetic over Epi as the counterwagon, and I don’t think she makes that decision on a wolf partner leetic.

Epi is a whole other thing tho, and I think he deserves some definite scrutiny
As has been pointed out, what's with Nicole's vote on leetic? Like, she voted leetic at some point I guess because it's in that VC, but her vote is on Vivax at end of day, which was her prior stated vote. Forgetting to actually move back? (I guess that would make them both likely town). Pretending to move back and hoping to pass it off as forgetting later?

Wait did she even vote leetic first before Vivax, that doesn't seem right

Ugh this having to process discrepancies between votes in thread and polls is annoying

Suspect she just forgot to hit the poll button before logging out, but impossible to know

#889

ok guys so

whats the verdict on michelle?

#890

jess wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:36 pm so maybe a silly question but if we are living in a multiball world, do we know if this would be reflected in nicole's flip? like would it say "team A" or something?

We wouldn't, all mafia flip the same in multiball; but it basically can't be multiball because the only worlds with politician are singleball (I double-checked Tranq). 8S, 14L, 16H, 19G are the politicians I found and none of the 8 worlds are multiball.

I also realized that wolves probably knew from the start what world we're in based on their own roles, not sure it's relevant to us especially at this point, but something to keep in mind for later perhaps

#891

GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:11 pm
Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm @gims if anyone on Nicole’s wagon is wolf, I’d wager it’s Nutella. But she has had town vibes all the way, and this is mainly on account of the politician. So this would be my ZANY deep wolf theory.

I could be big braining it and mafia didn’t have a strong plan to push for Nicole and fulfill her role to her max benefit.

In any case, I think this wagon picture (thanks spurs) is telling:
Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole () -
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)
Nicole chose leetic over Epi as the counterwagon, and I don’t think she makes that decision on a wolf partner leetic.

Epi is a whole other thing tho, and I think he deserves some definite scrutiny
As has been pointed out, what's with Nicole's vote on leetic? Like, she voted leetic at some point I guess because it's in that VC, but her vote is on Vivax at end of day, which was her prior stated vote. Forgetting to actually move back? (I guess that would make them both likely town). Pretending to move back and hoping to pass it off as forgetting later?

Wait did she even vote leetic first before Vivax, that doesn't seem right

Ugh this having to process discrepancies between votes in thread and polls is annoying
Suspect she just forgot to hit the poll button before logging out, but impossible to know

But your VC snapshot is of the actual votes in poll, right? So how's she go leetic-Vivax-"leetic" (but really Vivax still)

Should I just look back further in ISO and see if she posted a leetic vote earlier? I don't think she did though

#892

gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:13 pm ok guys so

whats the verdict on michelle?

Still not impressed

#893

Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:25 pm
GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:11 pm
Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 2:31 pm @gims if anyone on Nicole’s wagon is wolf, I’d wager it’s Nutella. But she has had town vibes all the way, and this is mainly on account of the politician. So this would be my ZANY deep wolf theory.

I could be big braining it and mafia didn’t have a strong plan to push for Nicole and fulfill her role to her max benefit.

In any case, I think this wagon picture (thanks spurs) is telling:
Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole () -
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)
Nicole chose leetic over Epi as the counterwagon, and I don’t think she makes that decision on a wolf partner leetic.

Epi is a whole other thing tho, and I think he deserves some definite scrutiny
As has been pointed out, what's with Nicole's vote on leetic? Like, she voted leetic at some point I guess because it's in that VC, but her vote is on Vivax at end of day, which was her prior stated vote. Forgetting to actually move back? (I guess that would make them both likely town). Pretending to move back and hoping to pass it off as forgetting later?

Wait did she even vote leetic first before Vivax, that doesn't seem right

Ugh this having to process discrepancies between votes in thread and polls is annoying
Suspect she just forgot to hit the poll button before logging out, but impossible to know
But your VC snapshot is of the actual votes in poll, right? So how's she go leetic-Vivax-"leetic" (but really Vivax still)

Should I just look back further in ISO and see if she posted a leetic vote earlier? I don't think she did though

My snapshots from overnight are just based on what was said in thread, since I was asleep

#894

Duelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:28 pm
gims wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:13 pm ok guys so

whats the verdict on michelle?
Still not impressed

I think she is scum

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #895

yay gottem

#896

No mention of Michelle in Nicole's ISO.
No mention of Nicole in Michelle's ISO.
Michelle says my post is a fake solve.
I could vote here.

#897

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:46 pmyay gottem

Legacy plz

#898

if I had 3 vigs I'd have one for michelle, one for pyxxy and one for dubz

if I had 4, I'd also have one for epig

#899

macdougall is like on his own world doing his thing and idk how to read it really maybe we can discuss that slot

#900

Nice hit, and good we got them out early given their role. Not sure how to read VCA, theoretically Nicole would have been more likely to survive if her wolf partners voted her but it seemed very unlikely that she would hit the required 11 votes, especially so late in the day. Dubz isn't a last-minute vote that would have given Duelist Mirage much advantage if they were paired with Nicole, so minor town points there I guess?

Who shall die upon Mount Fuji?