WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[Vivax]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

[Duelist Mirage]

Tranq is solid town.

Can you explain that read to me as well?

I want to know as well.

About not being able to make a better choice, I already explained, lack of time and not much catching up.
Sumimasen..

I need help!

The very words Tranq spoke which incensed you because they were skeptical of you were a townie thing to be looking into. It feels like the sort of thing Tranq does to sort- he did the same thing as town in the previous game when he called out Kawaii based on comparing what had Kawaii said to open the game to Kawaii's prior mafia experience. Others have already pointed out that Tranq/Nicole interactions don't feel partnered. Tranq took the correct side in the day end vote and helped flip the wolf instead of town.

There's no particular reason to think Tranq showed up at day end and saw Nicole getting wagoned, just said "shougunai" and bussed, he was playing townie all along.

[gims]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

[gims]

I cant read at all today, I'm gonna try tomorrow morning but my next few days are very busy and I'm unlikely to do any mafia until thursday at the very least

[Duelist Mirage]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

Wakarimasu. I'm still considering whether Nicole intentionaly sham-voted leetic in thread but not in poll in order to look distancey but not actually contribute to the threat of leetic getting flipped.

However we should think about if leetic is mafia, that was actually a prior wagon that more people including mafia teammates could react to. That wagon fell apart but why? Michelle started the wagon on me so it wasn't scum starting it, Nicole probably felt unable to join there because she was expressing the strong townread on me. Long Con then joined for a bizarre reason then hasn't been heard from since so that could be mafia. Epi also voted me because... Uh... IDK self-preservation apparently? *raises eyebrow*

[Porscha]

DM kinda threw a tantrum on pg 14 that I think was coming from a townie perspective

I usually wouldn't give much cred to Wilgy's vote for nicole, but I'm still trying to figure out how to interpret the later votes in the context of her ability - would teammates be more inclined to get the bussing cred, or to try to save her for a time where they'd be more likely to get the benefit of her ability. Hard to say without knowing bussing metas. I personally would gave gone for the latter so for the moment some points to idk...everyone who ended up there?

im about to pass out but i dont know if i really care to move my vote. gl i believe in all of us

I don't love this pop-in.

I don't hate the Nicole wagon but I'm always wary of wagons that get so far ahead of all the others so early into the game

I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper

And I kinda hate this in context

low, sleepy rawr

It will soon be time for me to retire to the bottom of the ocean once more for a yasumi

I don't know, Pikachu, they seem okay to me without anymore context!

Pika!!! Pika pika!!!

I know they weren't votes for Nicole - but that doesnt inherently make them wolfy! We didn't vote Nicole either!

Pika-pi!!

Keikaku...

In context they felt...setsumei-nikui. not sure I can explain it, just pingy. It's not really about them not voting for Nicole.

[leetic]

One thing I particularly dislike is that leetic was in the position of being the precursor wagon to Nicole and he should have been able to produce a lot of information from his POV but instead all we got was this.

Nice hit, and good we got them out early given their role. Not sure how to read VCA, theoretically Nicole would have been more likely to survive if her wolf partners voted her but it seemed very unlikely that she would hit the required 11 votes, especially so late in the day. Dubz isn't a last-minute vote that would have given Duelist Mirage much advantage if they were paired with Nicole, so minor town points there I guess?

What???
Twice what???

I'm not sure exactly what you want me to have done here? My wagon was largely voted by people for poor/no reasons but that's a point that has been litigated a bunch already. Plus my post is looking at specifically EoD wagons, I don't really care about the person who didn't show up in time to move their vote off me

[leetic]

Like knowing my alignment the move from me to Nicole was at least initially motivated by predominantly town but that's not exactly a hot take

[leetic]

AO

Sāikō!

With that magnificent reveal, I have deduced we are in either H or 19 (someone can check my work) as those are the only ones that have Politician and Spy in the crosshairs.

Notably both of these have a Silencer so I wouldn't read into someone not posting today

[Long Con]

Hello, I am sorry that I have not been, eh, as present as I would like to be. Big inventor conference this weekend, no time for Mafia! So many great speakers, new ideas... I am not caught up with the thread at this time, but I think we are doing very well so far! We had a game, ah, a little while back where we eliminated all Wolves with zero civilian, eh, casualties! Perhaps a repeat is in order, good job Town!

[Trekkie99]

YO!

[Trekkie99]

Goofy thing to say to me. Do your worst pal.

^

[Trekkie99]

Who on Nicole’s wagon was the most likely bussing slot?

^

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

Or this idk

does anyone in this game have a good read on epi? i do find him a little wolfy but it's really just bcuz of the absence of towny posts more than anything specific

Dont fret over just a corn dog.jpg

カルタゴ滅ぶべし

[pyxxy]

i wouldnt worry about it for another phase or so but ftr mac hasnt been towny yet

Sure.jpg

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[pyxxy]

There's no possibility to read 10 pages and sleep overnight and be able to function tomorrow, I am pretty sure this calm atmosphere comes from t/t wagons, I know I am town and leetic is a better scum than voting, throwing an excuse and walk away.

Considering that, mafia is in no danger.

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine


See you at the same spot.jpg

AKA
I find you wolfy, hiding behind your fancy picture machines. You don’t have to fully explain your vote for rondo

カルタゴ滅ぶべし

[Trekkie99]

So are we definitely in a one scum team world?

[pyxxy]

I need to be awake in 4 hours to watch aonishiki arata try to beat onosato daiki for the september yusho so gn

if i die imma sit in dead thread laughing at the scumteam for murdering donk towny instead of nutella

gn

Good looking and funny. That's a perfect man.jpg

カルタゴ滅ぶべし

[pyxxy]

So are we definitely in a one scum team world?

カルタゴ滅ぶべし

[Epignosis]

I am still working hard on my latest invention (to pay the bills you see). I will not be with you until later. Therefore, Matte Kudasai!

[pyxxy]

POE based on actual pings is something like LC/jess/Mac/leetic

Tentative town bucket = DM, Wilgy, Scotty

Never rescind town bucket = gims, vivax, Spurs, Nutella

Everyone else is

Now off to snack on some sea creatures or something. Sayōnara!

[VOTE: @Long Con ] aubergine

Konichiwa dubz (idk why I both anymore)

can you expound on the scum read on LC? You really think they’re the most sus in your entire catch up?

I feel like most of the thread has coalesced around a pretty tight POE. Who in that pool of eels is most likely to just be town but had a bad day?

Who on Nicole’s wagon was the most likely bussing slot?

Bottom two questions can be for anyone

Yahō!

The most sus? Idk about that, I'd say those 4 are on roughly equal ground for me. It interested me though. Felt like LC was stretchy in the discussion with DM. And I didn't see they'd gotten much attention (in the limited pages I've read).

If the thread has a consensus POE I'm woefully unaware of it so you'll have to be more specific on who you're asking about!

I'd expect if Nicole was bussed it would be Wilgy or later but I just kinda doubt it happened (but maybe that's what they want me to think)

Maybe it's not consensus and just my own brain, but while the people you chose as your POE haven't done anything to distinguish themselves as towny, it's interesting to me that the venn diagram between the POE that I posted last night (epig/trek/Rondo (and Michelle, but obv that 's no more)) and yours is nonexistent. So I guess wrt the people I'm looking at, who is most towny to you and why?

I would guess that is because they weren't posting in the timeframe I was reading (from when the Nicole wagon restarted until EOD), and Nicole didn't mention them specifically in her posts.

I have no thoughts on those 3, gomen. I'm about to skim through overall mentions of Nicole for more interactions so we'll see if I find anything there.

Any resemblance to kaiju living or radioactive is purely coincidental.

are you done for the night.jpg

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[pyxxy]

I'm sure many things have lead her to where she is now.jpg

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

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[Vivax]

One thing I particularly dislike is that leetic was in the position of being the precursor wagon to Nicole and he should have been able to produce a lot of information from his POV but instead all we got was this.

Nice hit, and good we got them out early given their role. Not sure how to read VCA, theoretically Nicole would have been more likely to survive if her wolf partners voted her but it seemed very unlikely that she would hit the required 11 votes, especially so late in the day. Dubz isn't a last-minute vote that would have given Duelist Mirage much advantage if they were paired with Nicole, so minor town points there I guess?

What???
Twice what???

I'm not sure exactly what you want me to have done here? My wagon was largely voted by people for poor/no reasons but that's a point that has been litigated a bunch already. Plus my post is looking at specifically EoD wagons, I don't really care about the person who didn't show up in time to move their vote off me

You mean dubz?

My issue isn't with your wagon. It's about the reasoning of your attempt to VCA here. Why would Nicole be more likely to survive with partners voting her?
Kinda somewhat understand your Dubz estimate but still feels like weird logic.

[Long Con]

I am still working hard on my latest invention (to pay the bills you see). I will not be with you until later. Therefore, Matte Kudasai!

You are also an inventor??

[GoSpursGo]

I am still working hard on my latest invention (to pay the bills you see). I will not be with you until later. Therefore, Matte Kudasai!

I am disappointed

[GoSpursGo]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)

[GoSpursGo]

Man, I'm deeply disappointed by the contributions today from the people in the POE other than dubz.

Which is not to say I find dubz especially towny, just that nobody else has really even bothered to help me find them, and that's unfortunate

[GoSpursGo]

and yeah I don't think the politician thing is very compelling, there was not going to be a wagon passing that threshold at that point. she could have been bussed just normally I suppose but ehh

I agree the politician likely didn't play into the mafia's strategy. I would say that it sort of felt like there was some momentum building after you and I hopped on, and especially after Wilgy voted, so there could be some points earned by bussing.

Plus, there's always a possibility that Nicole/leetic or Nicole/Epig or Nicole/DM could be w/w. I feel like I never am part of a town that gets that lucky, but it's conceivable.

In any event, idk that I would go after anyone on Nicole's wagon today. I'm sure there are wolves hiding off of her wagon and those might be easier to find today. But we may be useful to consider depending on the outcome of today and the next night cycle

[GoSpursGo]

POE based on actual pings is something like LC/jess/Mac/leetic

Tentative town bucket = DM, Wilgy, Scotty

Never rescind town bucket = gims, vivax, Spurs, Nutella

Everyone else is

Now off to snack on some sea creatures or something. Sayōnara!

[VOTE: @Long Con ] aubergine

Konichiwa dubz (idk why I both anymore)

can you expound on the scum read on LC? You really think they’re the most sus in your entire catch up?

I feel like most of the thread has coalesced around a pretty tight POE. Who in that pool of eels is most likely to just be town but had a bad day?

Who on Nicole’s wagon was the most likely bussing slot?

Bottom two questions can be for anyone

Yahō!

The most sus? Idk about that, I'd say those 4 are on roughly equal ground for me. It interested me though. Felt like LC was stretchy in the discussion with DM. And I didn't see they'd gotten much attention (in the limited pages I've read).

If the thread has a consensus POE I'm woefully unaware of it so you'll have to be more specific on who you're asking about!

I'd expect if Nicole was bussed it would be Wilgy or later but I just kinda doubt it happened (but maybe that's what they want me to think)

Maybe it's not consensus and just my own brain, but while the people you chose as your POE haven't done anything to distinguish themselves as towny, it's interesting to me that the venn diagram between the POE that I posted last night (epig/trek/Rondo (and Michelle, but obv that 's no more)) and yours is nonexistent. So I guess wrt the people I'm looking at, who is most towny to you and why?

I would guess that is because they weren't posting in the timeframe I was reading (from when the Nicole wagon restarted until EOD), and Nicole didn't mention them specifically in her posts.

I have no thoughts on those 3, gomen. I'm about to skim through overall mentions of Nicole for more interactions so we'll see if I find anything there.

Any resemblance to kaiju living or radioactive is purely coincidental.

idk dubz, Epig was among the more active players overnight as the Nicole wagon was building up and even had significant banter with Wilgy. Rondo was also posting though less.

I have a hard time believing you don't have any impression of Epig if Nicole wagon-->EOD is where you were focusing your catchup.

[Vivax]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)

Leetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.

[GoSpursGo]

Tranq is solid town.

Can you explain that read to me as well?

I want to know as well.

About not being able to make a better choice, I already explained, lack of time and not much catching up.
Sumimasen..

I need help!

The very words Tranq spoke which incensed you because they were skeptical of you were a townie thing to be looking into. It feels like the sort of thing Tranq does to sort- he did the same thing as town in the previous game when he called out Kawaii based on comparing what had Kawaii said to open the game to Kawaii's prior mafia experience. Others have already pointed out that Tranq/Nicole interactions don't feel partnered. Tranq took the correct side in the day end vote and helped flip the wolf instead of town.

There's no particular reason to think Tranq showed up at day end and saw Nicole getting wagoned, just said "shougunai" and bussed, he was playing townie all along.

idk, I've frequently been the scum who hops on the bus at the very end of the day because I'm hoping it gives me a shred of town cred. If you want to independently find Tranq towny that's fine, but I think the vote was so late and a more or less foregone conclusion that idk that I 'd give much credit there

[GoSpursGo]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)

Leetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.

Do you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?

Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority

[GoSpursGo]

Day 2 VC on 9/27/26 at ~2100 EDT

pyxxy (4) - Tranq, nutella, DM, gims
Epig (1) - Spurs
Trek (1) - Scottie
Long Con (1) - dubz
leetic (1) - Vivax

8/19

Leading: pyxxy
Missing: A little under half

ETA: Vote close on 9/29/26 at 0500 EDT (~31.5h)

[GoSpursGo]

Why is pyxxy so much more interesting today than they were yesterday?

[GoSpursGo]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)

Leetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.

Do you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?

Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority

After going through Nicole's ISO again, it seems pretty clear they were not unhappy with attacking leetic throughout. Cast shade pretty early on, mused about jumping on the wagon, and then of course voted there before dipping.

It isn't impossible leetic is still scum, but I'd need some more evidence before going there.

[jess]

Gun to head I would vote IHNI ayyyyyy gottem
It would not be DM or Nicole I know that buuuuuuuuut at the same time I could see the angle on either of them but I don’t wanna cause they’re the only players I can actually read, and I mean that as presently in this game and not just in general

this is kinda a hard read to verbalize but i dont really like the way that trekkie lumps dm & nicole into the same bucket in this post

i feel like a lot of wolves launder soft defenses of their partners thru talking about them in conjunction with another player, and it feels like trekkie is going out of his way to make up a reason why he isnt willing to push on nicole. just feels a lil partner-y

[jess]

DM kinda threw a tantrum on pg 14 that I think was coming from a townie perspective

I usually wouldn't give much cred to Wilgy's vote for nicole, but I'm still trying to figure out how to interpret the later votes in the context of her ability - would teammates be more inclined to get the bussing cred, or to try to save her for a time where they'd be more likely to get the benefit of her ability. Hard to say without knowing bussing metas. I personally would gave gone for the latter so for the moment some points to idk...everyone who ended up there?

im about to pass out but i dont know if i really care to move my vote. gl i believe in all of us

I don't love this pop-in.

I don't hate the Nicole wagon but I'm always wary of wagons that get so far ahead of all the others so early into the game

I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper

And I kinda hate this in context

low, sleepy rawr

It will soon be time for me to retire to the bottom of the ocean once more for a yasumi

on the flipside i think that dubz has been more towny today, this + their posts on the last page feel like real solving attempts to me

[jess]

idk what to do at all with the pool of pyxy/epi/rondo. does anyone have a strong read on any of them that i can sheep?

[Vivax]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)

Leetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.

Do you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?

Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority

A lot about epig looks like refuge in audacity so he's kinda attracting a lot of controversy to himself which...Might or might not be mafia.
Don't really see why he'd straight up use that as an opener though so that leans more towards it being town.
He really wants to look like he doesn't give a fuck I guess. Might be a not town aligned force but not necessarily mafia either.

[GoSpursGo]

idk what to do at all with the pool of pyxy/epi/rondo. does anyone have a strong read on any of them that i can sheep?

Why does nobody have a strong read on Epig today? They're squarely in the middle of the post count, it's not like they've been absent, and they were a primary counterwagon on day 1.

[GoSpursGo]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)

Leetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.

Do you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?

Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority

A lot about epig looks like refuge in audacity so he's kinda attracting a lot of controversy to himself which...Might or might not be mafia.
Don't really see why he'd straight up use that as an opener though so that leans more towards it being town.
He really wants to look like he doesn't give a fuck I guess. Might be a not town aligned force but not necessarily mafia either.

Sorry this cross-posted as I was typing.

I could see this opinion. Personally, I am still a pretty loud wolf so "attracting attention" doesn't automatically mean town to me.

It's just not even the audacity, but ever since the nicole flip there's been a total lack of engagement. I guess there was a cover in that they would be in the lab this weekend, but still, there's just nothing there helping me find him.

[nutella]

I could vote epi instead of pyx for sure, at least pyx is making an effort to use the flavor posts cleverly enough for game related responses I guess that counts for something desu ne

[jess]

Yeah leetic is feeling survivalistic here and I don't really like them just bemoaning the wagon on them. I actually feel quite a bit better about this wagon than earlier.

[VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Anyway gotta bounce for rest of day prolly, maybe can check in once more in like an hour.

does anyone remember roughly what the votecount was at the time that nicole made this vote? specifically im wondering if the leetic/epi wagons were tied or not

[Epignosis]

I am still working hard on my latest invention (to pay the bills you see). I will not be with you until later. Therefore, Matte Kudasai!

Spoiler: show

You are also an inventor??

I am still working hard on my latest invention (to pay the bills you see). I will not be with you until later. Therefore, Matte Kudasai!

Spoiler: show

I am disappointed

For those who do not know (and several of you should), I will be very, very busy in my laboratory Saturday and Sunday.

Translator3000, how do the Japanese say, "If you're paying attention to the few things I have already said, why are you acting surprised at this, you wet paper bags!?"

Go on, translate now.

Go chūi kudasai.

Thank you.

[jess]

cause it is kinda interesting that nicole made her vote almost immediately after me/spurs voted for epi

When the stars shine bright
Do we commandeer the ship?
Or...go down with it?

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

Sheeping nutella, and epig's vote on wilgy is wack.

Also yielding to nutella's shielding of leetic.

If I'm pocketed by nutella, hopefully I figure that out soon.

[Epignosis]

Unless Spurs is disappointed in King Crimson, in which case...

*whispers to machine*

Hazubeki furumai!

[jess]

epi who do you think we should kill today?

[GoSpursGo]

So here are the wagonomics movements yesterday towards EOD:

Here is the VC at the top of page 13 (2150 EDT, ~8h until EOD), just before nutella says she wants the Nicole wagon to come back. The Nicole wagon had just disassembled as nutella had come off of Nicole onto me and then epig, and there was some discussion about how large the leetic wagon was getting.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2150 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole () -
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, Spurs, dubz, gims
Spurs (1) - Vivax
pyxxy () -
Epig (2) - MacDougall, nutella
Michelle () -
Rondo (2) - pyxxy, jess
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

16/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~8h hours)

Here it is at 2300 EDT (~7h until EOD) at top of page 14, right as Nicole drops her vote on leetic and bounces. In retrospect, this is a pretty savage outcome for her as she almost certainly thought she was safe as she was going to bed with no votes and 5/4 wagons on leetic and Epig.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole () -
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)

Around 0130 EDT (top of page 15, 4.5h until EOD). The nutella block starts shifting from Epig to Nicole. Others have pointed this out, but Duelist is pushing back pretty hard against this shift. Interestingly, Scotty votes for pyxxy, then joins pyxxy on Rondo, and DM flaps around over in that direction after stopping briefly on Epig.

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Day 1 VC, 9/26/26 at 0130 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole (3) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (3) - dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (2) - MacDougall, jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (3) - pyxxy, Scotty, DM
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

16/20

Leading: leetic, Nicole and Rondo
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~4.5h hours)

And this is the VC at the top of page 16 (around 0300, 3h from EOD). It's a 4-way tie, but Wilgy's vote on Nicole and aggressive wolf-read leads to that wagon really taking off. Long Con and Epig were both coming for DM.

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Day 1 VC, 9/26/26 at 0300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (3) - Michelle, Long Con, Epig
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax () -
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole (3) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax
nutella () -
DrWilgy () -
Porscha (1) - Mac
leetic (3) - dubz, gims, Nicole
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (1) - jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (3) - pyxxy, Scotty, DM
Scotty (1) - leetic
gims () -

16/20

Leading: leetic, Nicole, Rondo, DM
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~3h hours)

And this is the final VC. As Nicole's wagon is building, I notice jess and leetic kind of commenting about being sus of a wagon building up on d1. Leetic brings the DM wagon to 6/4, which could be a last gasp to try and bring a counterwagon forward? Tranq then votes Nicole, with the justification that they think DM is town. Looking back, it appears that Nicole actually voted vivax, so it's possible they never actually moved their vote earlier when they said they were moving to leetic.

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Final Day 1 VC

Duelist Mirage (4) - Michelle, Long Con, Epig, leetic
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax (1) - Nicole
dubz (2) - Trek, DM
Nicole (7) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax, Wilgy, Scotty, gims, Tranq
nutella () -
DrWilgy () -
Porscha (1) - Mac
leetic (1) - dubz
Spurs () -
pyxxy () -
Epig (1) - jess
Michelle () -
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty () -
gims () -

18/20

Leading: Nicole
Missing: Porscha , RondoDimBuckle

ETA: correction

@jess see this post if you'd like to see the wagonomics near EOD1. Yes, Epig/leetic were tied

[jess]

tyty

[Vivax]

I think there's some kind of bias at play where people that were on leetic and then got the hit on nicole suddenly feel like that makes leetic less interesting as mafia.

I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)

Leetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.

Do you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?

Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority

A lot about epig looks like refuge in audacity so he's kinda attracting a lot of controversy to himself which...Might or might not be mafia.
Don't really see why he'd straight up use that as an opener though so that leans more towards it being town.
He really wants to look like he doesn't give a fuck I guess. Might be a not town aligned force but not necessarily mafia either.

Sorry this cross-posted as I was typing.

I could see this opinion. Personally, I am still a pretty loud wolf so "attracting attention" doesn't automatically mean town to me.

It's just not even the audacity, but ever since the nicole flip there's been a total lack of engagement. I guess there was a cover in that they would be in the lab this weekend, but still, there's just nothing there helping me find him.

He doesn't want you to find him. You'll have to flip him for that. All that lab crap isn't even meaningful. I could dump a chunk of dough into a bowl and call it a lab.

Anyway. Don't read too much into it but it's just a random thought aka shitposting crossing my mind atm that I still feel like posting.

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My date of (un)death shall be marked as 8_9_2021. At the hands of killers posing as meatgrinders.