WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[GoSpursGo]

wilgy is so town

Yeah, I can see it.

Is anyone silenced today?

We have just one death overnight so maybe the RB was used last night from my abilities?

Long con hasn't posted, so it's theoretically possible they're silenced. @Long Con are you silenced?

[GoSpursGo]

I can't lead town. My IC status I received is just taking away from the table my mischop who would most probably happen because meta is a solid piece of steel, isn't it?
@RondoDimBuckle
Thank you for the tea!

I thought you meant you got Ice Creamed for a second. Which would make sense, who else would the Ice-Cream Man use their power on?
It is possible pyxxy is the Ice-Cream Man and you roleblocked him.

Oh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.

Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy

[GoSpursGo]

I can't lead town. My IC status I received is just taking away from the table my mischop who would most probably happen because meta is a solid piece of steel, isn't it?
@RondoDimBuckle
Thank you for the tea!

I thought you meant you got Ice Creamed for a second. Which would make sense, who else would the Ice-Cream Man use their power on?
It is possible pyxxy is the Ice-Cream Man and you roleblocked him.

Oh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.

Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy

Like, that's a little strong, but I can't fathom that the Mafia wouldn't at least try to vanilla-ize Michelle last night. So unless town redirected her for some reason or someone else got vanilla-ized and hasn't shared, this is probably gonna convince me to flip pyxxy today. Unless I'm really missing something

[GoSpursGo]

Sorry for not being super active, again grad school applications are a lot of work. Is the LC vote because of slanking or is there more reasons there? pyxxy's ISO has never been inspiring to me but I'll have to look deeper there

Yeah mostly slanking for LC. I don't think it's unreasonable to think the mafia might sort of disengage if they're feeling demoralized.

Like there's just nothing to townread there

[GoSpursGo]

*throws an origami-shaped bucket filled with wet paper mache onto leetic and Long Con*

Please vote Rondo if you're silenced

Wolf silencer is dead, are there any other silencing mechanics in the setup?

Like a sheet of paper can be folded into different shapes, some are more straight forward than others. Michelle has a 1/3 chance of silencing someone. Parrot can copy Michelle. Druid can silence by way of Necromancing Trekkie.

Good point on the Parrot.

That would be an absolutely absurd use of the Druid, but I guess technically possible

[GoSpursGo]

I will say that I'm not quite amused at MacDougall's sharp decline in activity this phase. But I'll give grace for now in case he's legitimately busy

Ya Mac isn't clear

[GoSpursGo]

I can't lead town. My IC status I received is just taking away from the table my mischop who would most probably happen because meta is a solid piece of steel, isn't it?
@RondoDimBuckle
Thank you for the tea!

I thought you meant you got Ice Creamed for a second. Which would make sense, who else would the Ice-Cream Man use their power on?
It is possible pyxxy is the Ice-Cream Man and you roleblocked him.

Oh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.

Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy

I think I'll soften this a little, because I also think the Bus Driver likely targeted Michelle and it's possible a town redirector targeted the ice cream man. So it's possible that Michelle's ability silenced Long Con (or roleblocked someone else), and the Ice Cream Man could have been redirected to a mafia player, in which case that player is unlikely to share that they were vanilla-ized.

idk why I keep trying to think about mech with all the redirectors out there lol

[GoSpursGo]

It would be really nice to know if LC is silenced or not as it clarifies if pyxxy or someone else may have been roleblocked

[Duelist Mirage]

The ice cream man is one-shot. I disagree it means anything about pyxxy. It could have been used N1, it could still be available because they're hoping for more role information to target with. I don't even think mafia would necessarily care about disabling Michelle with it, if they actually had it available still. If I was mafia here I would probably just bus drive her and hope it helps point her wrong to assist in taking out townies or at least inconveniencing them.

I've been thinking about IC man's possible use a lot too and I just can't come up with a lot of meaning from it. I was indeed thinking about mafia being unlikely to out being vanillized when I first brought it up a while back, but idk if that's even true, they could think it makes them look better and do it.

[GoSpursGo]

The ice cream man is one-shot. I disagree it means anything about pyxxy. It could have been used N1, it could still be available because they're hoping for more role information to target with. I don't even think mafia would necessarily care about disabling Michelle with it, if they actually had it available still. If I was mafia here I would probably just bus drive her and hope it helps point her wrong to assist in taking out townies or at least inconveniencing them.

I've been thinking about IC man's possible use a lot too and I just can't come up with a lot of meaning from it. I was indeed thinking about mafia being unlikely to out being vanillized when I first brought it up a while back, but idk if that's even true, they could think it makes them look better and do it.

Personally I think it’s extremely unlikely IC would be used blindly on n1 based on nothing but it’s possible I guess. But if town was vanilla-ized they certainly should share that information.

I would definitely use the IC on Michelle but I suppose it’s conceivable the mafia disagrees. I’m not sure what better possible target could exist though

[GoSpursGo]

I also lowkey feel like the town roles are kinda busted relative to the mafia roles, but it may just be in this threadstate where the POE feels small

[gims]

[Michelle]

[VOTE: pixxy] aubergine

[Duelist Mirage]

I also lowkey feel like the town roles are kinda busted relative to the mafia roles, but it may just be in this threadstate where the POE feels small

If it weren't for all the anticlaim I'd agree that town has good stuff. Not being able to claim any of it so we can't even know as much as basic stuff like if a cop got a guilty, let alone the intricacies of where actions ended up... Yeah I'm really getting why the anticlaim exists but it's also so frustrating lol

[Duelist Mirage]

[gims]

[gims]

ill make a POE

[GoSpursGo]

I also have a half-formed thought about how it may be ideal to manipulate the votes so the wagons are off by only one vote, so that if the athlete is the leading wagon and doesn’t go over they are outed. But then I guess it doesn’t work as long as the survivalist is a possible claim

[gims]

ill make a POE

I lied

I think pyxxy and LC are both hits and there's legit a deepwolf at least if theyre not both hits

amazing

we shouldnt have been this disengaged but here we are

[Tranq]

I also have a half-formed thought about how it may be ideal to manipulate the votes so the wagons are off by only one vote, so that if the athlete is the leading wagon and doesn’t go over they are outed. But then I guess it doesn’t work as long as the survivalist is a possible claim

I can try this at EOD if the votes are tied.

[Duelist Mirage]

I also have a half-formed thought about how it may be ideal to manipulate the votes so the wagons are off by only one vote, so that if the athlete is the leading wagon and doesn’t go over they are outed. But then I guess it doesn’t work as long as the survivalist is a possible claim

I'm not sure survivalist works that way. But town can also win a vote situation that they wouldn't otherwise have and it might not be clear why. I don't think there's likely value in trying to arrange wagons for that, certainly not more than the risk of having things just get messed with and we might not even know why.

[GoSpursGo]

I also have a half-formed thought about how it may be ideal to manipulate the votes so the wagons are off by only one vote, so that if the athlete is the leading wagon and doesn’t go over they are outed. But then I guess it doesn’t work as long as the survivalist is a possible claim

I'm not sure survivalist works that way. But town can also win a vote situation that they wouldn't otherwise have and it might not be clear why. I don't think there's likely value in trying to arrange wagons for that, certainly not more than the risk of having things just get messed with and we might not even know why.

You’re probably right

Too much time on my hands

[gims]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

[gims]

so 3 in pyxxy/mac/long con/epig

sounds almost right

[nutella]

seems like LC is silenced so yeah guess we go pyxxy first

[nutella]

generally agree with the poe

[GoSpursGo]

so 3 in pyxxy/mac/long con/epig

sounds almost right

Yeah it seems like a reasonable premise. Boring but idk that I have any better ideas

[Duelist Mirage]

seems like LC is silenced so yeah guess we go pyxxy first

Why do you think Long Con is silenced? He just seems totally absent.

[pyxxy]

It would be really nice to know if LC is silenced or not as it clarifies if pyxxy or someone else may have been roleblocked

[GoSpursGo]

seems like LC is silenced so yeah guess we go pyxxy first

Why do you think Long Con is silenced? He just seems totally absent.

Impossible to tell. But yes it would be easy to fake

[GoSpursGo]

It would be really nice to know if LC is silenced or not as it clarifies if pyxxy or someone else may have been roleblocked

I'm curious how you would know that, though obviously I don't want you to violate anti-claim

[Porscha]

i'm tired

michelle (green peek)
rondo (1 rondo)
vivax (2 RIP)
gospursgo (towny)
gims (towny)
um. idk I think DM posts towny btw idk why there's so much contention there


long con called my first post town so maybe he isnt a wolf? it was an easy post to call wolfy like whoever has been mentioning "food tell" eyeroll lol, but he didnt so idk. think his only way out is to just play tho. unless he is silenced, which would be a massive shame

i'm booty at reading epi. I dont know if Ive ever seen him wolf either so it's all the same hard to read for me

scotty is like. fine

um.......................................................... mac exists um.... dubz? idk they have nice tone when making posts I just also dont um. remember their posts heh

pyxxy is ok. i'm like gth townread on him but i'm not gonna hard shield

jess also allegedly exists, as more than a figment of my imagination

is that everybody left?

No that's not everybody left, even including your followup post

What about Rondo, Tranq, and nutella?

What's towny about my posting?

rondo on there

nutella is meh. if mac says she is ok then she is ok

tranq i am neutral on

[pyxxy]

It would be really nice to know if LC is silenced or not as it clarifies if pyxxy or someone else may have been roleblocked

I'm curious how you would know that, though obviously I don't want you to violate anti-claim

[nutella]

seems likely michelle was redirected to lc then? hmm idk

maybe shouldn't assume that

[nutella]

maybe she was just blocked

[pyxxy]

we shouldnt have been this disengaged but here we are

Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda

[pyxxy]

seems likely michelle was redirected to lc then? hmm idk

maybe shouldn't assume that

[nutella]

[Duelist Mirage]

seems like LC is silenced so yeah guess we go pyxxy first

Why do you think Long Con is silenced? He just seems totally absent.

Impossible to tell. But yes it would be easy to fake

I don't think he's faking being silenced, I think he's just gone or faking being gone. If he was silenced (and town) surely he would put a vote on the poll. I don't know why nutella is thinking it's him being silenced. He's just the only one still possible who could be silenced, it doesn't mean he is.

[pyxxy]

seems like LC is silenced so yeah guess we go pyxxy first

Why do you think Long Con is silenced? He just seems totally absent.

Impossible to tell. But yes it would be easy to fake

If he was silenced (and town) surely he would put a vote on the poll.

[nutella]

it's true he hasn't been active even in the previous phase so maybe he's just mia

[nutella]

my vote stays for now

[jess]

im not sure if i have any specific thoughts about long con at all but i think he can hypothetically be mafia simply by the virtue of most other players in the game feeling townier to me

[jess]

if i have a blindspot then it's probably tranq bcus i havent rly processed any of his posts at all and am just sheeping the thread consensus

[jess]

so 3 in pyxxy/mac/long con/epig

sounds almost right

imo i would replace mac with rondo solely bcuz i think that trekkie defending mac so brazenly yesterday doesnt really feel like W/W interaction and it would be a weird wolfing dynamic for the two of them to have

ive gone back and forth and rondo but i found him wolfy yesterday bcuz his treatment of me specifically felt TMI-y

[Porscha]

pyxxy is ok. i'm like gth townread on him but i'm not gonna hard shield

same, I do wish you expanded that thought a bit if you can

ummmm. idk. just dont find him anymore like... idk. think if he was a wolf and he could not do image posting, he would. not sure if he HAS TO for some reason but if i'm being honest, maybe the less word make monkey brain make more sense than like tranq or long con posts?
i'm not sure I can expound on it well

[Porscha]

so 3 in pyxxy/mac/long con/epig

sounds almost right

imo i would replace mac with rondo solely bcuz i think that trekkie defending mac so brazenly yesterday doesnt really feel like W/W interaction and it would be a weird wolfing dynamic for the two of them to have

ive gone back and forth and rondo but i found him wolfy yesterday bcuz his treatment of me specifically felt TMI-y

what part felt tmiy? you said your interaction with him earlier made you tr him

[Porscha]

I can't lead town. My IC status I received is just taking away from the table my mischop who would most probably happen because meta is a solid piece of steel, isn't it?
@RondoDimBuckle
Thank you for the tea!

I thought you meant you got Ice Creamed for a second. Which would make sense, who else would the Ice-Cream Man use their power on?
It is possible pyxxy is the Ice-Cream Man and you roleblocked him.

Oh man that would be so savage for the mafia on top of everything else.

Though yes I do agree with that use of the IC ability, so actually if nobody got IC'd last night then I would almost consider this to be a red check on pyxxy

Like, that's a little strong, but I can't fathom that the Mafia wouldn't at least try to vanilla-ize Michelle last night. So unless town redirected her for some reason or someone else got vanilla-ized and hasn't shared, this is probably gonna convince me to flip pyxxy today. Unless I'm really missing something

huh? does vanillizer work on people who target the vanillizer?

[jess]

so 3 in pyxxy/mac/long con/epig

sounds almost right

imo i would replace mac with rondo solely bcuz i think that trekkie defending mac so brazenly yesterday doesnt really feel like W/W interaction and it would be a weird wolfing dynamic for the two of them to have

ive gone back and forth and rondo but i found him wolfy yesterday bcuz his treatment of me specifically felt TMI-y

what part felt tmiy? you said your interaction with him earlier made you tr him

yea i thought that his exchange with me was towny bcuz it felt like he was trying to get his head into the game/use me as a foundation to get a better handle on his reads

in hindsight i find the exchange kind of wolfy because it feels like rondo's primary intention was actually just getting me on his good side, like:

bawnjorno @jess whats your opinion on @Scotty kudasai

I gotta head to my tea party soon and they made me wear these robes this time that are supposed to ward off evil spirits too

I got shown some moon charts yesterday and I overheard scotty egging on pyxxy to surprise me again dressed as a ghost today so I ran away for good but he didnt want to join in on the caper. So pretty interested in threads opinion on that. You seem pretty bonza so I am hitching my itinery to yours.

Also I think peeps are forgetting that a priest shot could be a random prize win if ya think about it

TOYOTA

bawnjorno @jess whats your opinion on @Scotty kudasai

probably town bcuz of the combination of him being one of the most aggressive/thread leade-y voices in the thread yesterday and him using that influence to push the game toward a scum wagon:

Ok I’ve had a strange blind side to Nicole so far. Going through her iso reveals she is on her phone just idly crossing the street.

well I think I'm down to just trusting vivax, scotty and tranq

honestly want to townread duelist but her multiball point + approach to me felt jumpy yesterday so I'm backing off from townreading her for now

her leetic vote seems fine tho

nutella is finding her footing still which is pair of the course for her towngame but its early and she becomes obvious later on so im holding onto that

still not really feeling nicole, i guess her leetic sus is okay but she is reminding me a bit of an old scumgame of hers

game too large and i dont have many townreads

push comes to shove im sheeping scotty and maybe nutella if i feel good abt it

DM feels super town imo.
I super get the antsiness over the anticlaim stuff and this is town!DM besides it

I would even contend this is her most content-filled post and if she flips wolf, I’m down to fully clear DM because of it (unless this is multiball)

[VOTE: Nicole] aubergine

I don't hate the Nicole wagon but I'm always wary of wagons that get so far ahead of all the others so early into the game

To be fair, this wagon had only now reached a majority a few hours ago, and the day is almost over…so

bussing is hyptohetically possible but the more simple answer is that he's town. also i like his push on trekkie today

its time for me to head into the chashitsu thats tea house for you unedjakated folks.

if you think scotty aint zasshuken and is actually junketsushu then ill accept it

dubz/trekkie/pyxy/epi/mac should proly have a few

why not me?

i kinda forgot that u existed tbqh

bonzai, remember I exist now?


plus pretty sure mac and michelle think I am town so lets work well together.

MITSUBISHI

if he asked me about my read on scotty because he had concerns about scotty himself, why did he immediately & uncritically accept it when i said that scotty was town? especially given that i gave kind of minimal explanation for it

[jess]

it didn't feel like he was processing what i said about scotty in the conversation, or that he wanted to express thoughts about scotty himself, it felt more like a conversation w/a specific objective in mind