WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[Scotty]

forget about this game until tomorrow

funny threadstate where other than you, me and DM, everyone forgets about this game from time to time lol

why need remember when ez game is ez

[Scotty]

so one thing for jedi: if they havent used it yet, jedi should wait until we're down to a single mafia left, and then use jedi. so not tonight. we can then safely break the game.

I like this, predicated on a) the Jedi not having been used yet (which it shouldn’t have if used optimally) and b) everyone actually doing their part and not voting.

b feels tough in practice just because human will exists, but I’m all for breaking games with mech if possible

[gims]

I like this, predicated on a) the Jedi not having been used yet (which it shouldn’t have if used optimally) and b) everyone actually doing their part and not voting.

b feels tough in practice just because human will exists, but I’m all for breaking games with mech if possible

alternatively we can have mass crossvoting

everyone finds a dancing pair. if we have even numbers, thats all we need. if we have odd numbers, the one out self votes and dances with themselves

we carry that to EOD, no muss no fuss :>

[Scotty]

I like this, predicated on a) the Jedi not having been used yet (which it shouldn’t have if used optimally) and b) everyone actually doing their part and not voting.

b feels tough in practice just because human will exists, but I’m all for breaking games with mech if possible

alternatively we can have mass crossvoting

everyone finds a dancing pair. if we have even numbers, thats all we need. if we have odd numbers, the one out self votes and dances with themselves

we carry that to EOD, no muss no fuss :>

Why even chance it? Voting isn’t required in this game, just leave it out. Anyone voting can be brandished with an A on their chest.

A for Aho, obviously.

(This is all well and good planning but all it takes is one person to upset the balance. Why I have a pessimistic attitude towards proposed ‘utopias’, but I digress)

[Tranq]

Dibs on voting Scotty

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo why haven't you voted yet? Clearly you're here reading along and not having tea somewhere.

why vote when porscha can get away with not voting? as long as that keeps getting past with no bother, I dont see any reason to vote. You guys have it

Bad excuse

prob move gims above nutella now that I think about it but whatever you get the gist of it

No I don't

lmao dont care (x2)

[RondoDimBuckle]

That's two days in a row that wolves failed to push me over. Sometimes being the bait has benefits.

yeah thats why I have been doing nothing for the first two days, A its fun to mess with people by doing and saying nothing when they expect me to come in and do stuff and B I sleep.

who you pushing tomorrow?

It's almost 6 AM in my timezone so I'll have to get some sleep before deciding. I will note that Duelist looks questionable based on pure VCA so far

List A: Tranq, Scotty, jess, Porscha, Michelle, gims, DrWilgy, leetic
List B: Vivax, nutella, GoSpursGo, gims, DrWilgy, Scotty, Tranq

A and B: Tranq, Scotty, gims, Wilgy
A or B: Vivax, nutella, jess, porscha, leetic, spurs

Michelle - cleared
Rondo - role card

Tranq - silenced
Gims - funky vibes
Wilgy
Scotty - this might be wrong, it might also be right

jess
leetic - targeted twice (nichol and tekkie)
Vivax - nichols miselim d1
Nutella
spurs - bad vibe
porscha - vote skip/last second pile on

dubz - trekkies miselim d1

Pyxxy - loving his vibe
MacDougall - prob 3p

Epignosis - voted with trekkie d2
Long Con - ????
Duelist Mirage - voted with trekkie d1 and 2

is this an insane take on the game atm?

C - GoSpursGo, nutella, MacDougall, Tranq, Dubz, Duelist Mirage, pyxxy


A and B: Tranq, Scotty, gims, Wilgy
A or B: Vivax, nutella, jess, porscha, leetic, spurs
IC - Michelle, Rondo
3:ABC - Tranq
2:AC or BC - Nutella, Spur, (AB: wilgy, gims, scotty)
1:A or B or C - jess, porscha, DM, Mac, vivax, leetic, pyxxy, dubz



Michelle
Rondo

Tranq

Spur - deep wolf if anything but prob just town rubbing me the wrong way
Nutella - something she said wigged me out
gims
wilgy
scotty

jess
DM
pyxxy
mac
leetic
dubz

Epignosis



welp epi, not a good look. only guy to not vote a wolf so far in 3 days of the game.

Spoiler: show

dontsayit.ifyouseeitdontsayityouasshole

EBWOP, I forgot that Wilgy/gims/scotty had 2 hits already as well and forgot to factor that in

I think overall pretty similar to mine, with exception of Rondo and dubz obviously. How is pyxxy not deep in your POE?

just vibe, I mean I could be wrong but Im loving pyxxy's posting and I cant even remember dubz posting, you can flip them if you want. Im not that invested in it. They are more groups of prob 1 wolf in these

[RondoDimBuckle]

forget about this game until tomorrow

funny threadstate where other than you, me and DM, everyone forgets about this game from time to time lol

I wouldnt say I forget about it, its more that towns doing a great job. Why would I go and ruin all that cohesion? remember, feature not bug :think:

[RondoDimBuckle]

so one thing for jedi: if they havent used it yet, jedi should wait until we're down to a single mafia left, and then use jedi. so not tonight. we can then safely break the game.

I like this, predicated on a) the Jedi not having been used yet (which it shouldn’t have if used optimally) and b) everyone actually doing their part and not voting.

b feels tough in practice just because human will exists, but I’m all for breaking games with mech if possible

ngl wolves need some help and I am unlikely to follow this at the best of times, mostly because no one wants to cooperate when I want to do a thing

[gims]

ngl wolves need some help and I am unlikely to follow this at the best of times, mostly because no one wants to cooperate when I want to do a thing

'I don't want to ruin town cohesion'

'I'm not following a protown plan because random grievance that has nothing to do with the game'

[RondoDimBuckle]

ngl wolves need some help and I am unlikely to follow this at the best of times, mostly because no one wants to cooperate when I want to do a thing

'I don't want to ruin town cohesion'

'I'm not following a protown plan because random grievance that has nothing to do with the game'

i contain multitudes

[gims]

you'll contain multitudes in dead chat

[RondoDimBuckle]

you'll contain multitudes in dead chat

I dont think I need to worry about being the night kill being this deep in the poe

[GoSpursGo]

you'll contain multitudes in dead chat

I dont think I need to worry about being the night kill being this deep in the poe

Or maybe that's exactly WHY you need to worry

[GoSpursGo]

Oops I didn't forget

[RondoDimBuckle]

you'll contain multitudes in dead chat

I dont think I need to worry about being the night kill being this deep in the poe

Or maybe that's exactly WHY you need to worry

nah Its comfy and warm with my feet this close to the fire

[RondoDimBuckle]

Remember you're only gonna get 5 posts from me during the day so gl, hope you do as awesome as you have been so far 3 for 3 can we go 4 for 4?

[RondoDimBuckle]

oh I won the prize btw, 1 shot vigilante. prob just shooting dubz or pyxxy or go for the wild deep wolf and hero shot tranq

[GoSpursGo]

Remember you're only gonna get 5 posts from me during the day so gl, hope you do as awesome as you have been so far 3 for 3 can we go 4 for 4?

Dammit Rondo...

now you're making me think through the mechanics of how the bus driver is going to use that information

[GoSpursGo]

I have to go to some meetings, but as the player who knows dubz better than anyone else here, I am personally convinced she is town and I would not recommend using any town KP to clear the slot tonight. Do with that what you will.

[Michelle]

Yay one more red flip!

What's the Poe again??
Do we think Pyxxy is clear in any way

[GoSpursGo]

Yay one more red flip!

What's the Poe again??
Do we think Pyxxy is clear in any way

Yay!

pyxxy/rondo/epi/porscha for me, maybe leetic/jess for me

No

[Duelist Mirage]

also once we are down to one scum, jedi can trigger their one shot and have everyone self vote

whoever is the last mafia will have two votes and die

if they switch, theyre outed

Goodness thats so stupid but it would work

No it wouldn't

There's a LOT wrong with that

[gims]

also once we are down to one scum, jedi can trigger their one shot and have everyone self vote

whoever is the last mafia will have two votes and die

if they switch, theyre outed

Goodness thats so stupid but it would work

No it wouldn't

There's a LOT wrong with that

Like what

[Duelist Mirage]

1-40 - extra vote ability, to be cast privately for any living player in any day phase
41-70 - 1-shot athlete ability
71-85 - removal from the lynch poll the following day
86-90 - 1-shot commuter ability
91-95 - 1-shot doctor ability
96-97 - 1-shot necromancer ability
98-99 - 1-shot reloader ability
100 - 1-shot vigilante ability

we need to also start killing everyone thats still roleplaying for prizes lol

No

I see you've noticed one of the flaws but it's too late for that, there's already prizes out and unless we're gonna have people claim them, (which isn't necessarily going to work but maaaybe a possibility we could try) that's always a possible confounding factor

But firstly, we have no way of knowing whether the Jedi even has their power, and no they shouldn't get themself modkilled to tell us, don't even get into that realm please

[gims]

Ok im hardcore stopping you right there

We are doing this

[gims]

One problem is maybe ppl have prizes that relate to vote, so If a townie dies we'll know prize winners are the POE for scum

Which youre one of them so lol

Second of all we dont need jedi to tell If they used or not, this role served no purpose on d1-2-3 ofc

[gims]

Also ppl who have vote manipulation abilities as prizes should ALWAYS claim that

Only scum would hide that info cause this is pointless for town

[GoSpursGo]

We don't need to decide on the Jedi right now, we need to elim another scum first anyways and for the Jedi to not get NK'd tonight.

But I do think it's a fair point that there are a good number of ways the plan goes sideways. And you still have to get ~13 town players to all agree to do it. So while it would be a delightfully broken way to end the game, we can wait and see if it's even a discussion after the next 72 hours

[Duelist Mirage]

Day 1 spoiled VC progression

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/24/26 at 1500 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Spurs, Tranq
Trekkie99 (2) - gims, Scotty
Tranq (2) - Rondo, Nicole

6/20

Leading: Players with votes
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Duelist Mirage, Epignosis, Jess, leetic, Long Con, MacDougall, Michelle, nutella, Porscha, pyxxy, Trekkie, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (~39 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/24/26 at 1615 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (2) - gims, Scotty
Tranq (1) - Rondo
Vivax (2) - Spurs, Nicole

6/20

Leading: Trekkie and Vivax
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Duelist Mirage, Epignosis, Jess, leetic, Long Con, MacDougall, Michelle, nutella, Porscha, pyxxy, Trekkie, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (~38 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/24/26 at 2000 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Tranq (1) - Rondo
Vivax (2) - Spurs, Nicole
dubz (1) - vivax
Nicole (1) - gims
nutella (1) - leetic

8/20

Leading: Vivax
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Duelist Mirage, Epignosis, Jess, Long Con, MacDougall, Michelle, nutella, Porscha, pyxxy, Trekkie

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (~32 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 0930 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (3) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (2) - Epig, Spurs
leetic (1) - DM
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (1) - MacDougall

13/20

Leading: @NicoleAndDime
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Jess, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (20.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1030 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (3) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (1) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (1) - MacDougall

13/20

Leading: @NicoleAndDime
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Jess, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (19.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1230 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (3) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (1) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (2) - pyxxy, Jess
Epig (1) - MacDougall

14/20

Leading: Nicole
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (17.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1300 EDT

Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (2) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (1) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (2) - MacDougall, gims

12/20

Leading: Nicole, @Vivax and @Epignosis
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq, Jess

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (17 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1430 EDT

Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (2) - nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (2) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (2) - gims, jess

13/20

Leading: Nicole, Vivax, @leetic , and @Michelle
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (15.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1500 EDT

Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (2) - nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - DM, Spurs, Scotty
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (3) - gims, jess, pyxxy

13/20

Leading: leetic and Michelle
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (15 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1600 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (1) - nutella
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - DM, Scotty, Spurs
Spurs (1) - Vivax
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (1) - gims
Rondo (1) - pyxxy

13/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: @DrWilgy , @Dubz , @Porscha , @Trekkie99 , @RondoDimBuckle , @Tranq , @jess

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (14 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1930 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (1) - nutella
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - DM, Scotty, Spurs
Spurs (1) - Vivax
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (1) - gims
Rondo (1) - pyxxy, jess
Scotty (1) - leetic

14/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: @DrWilgy , @Dubz , @Porscha , @Trekkie99 , @RondoDimBuckle , @Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (10.5 hours)

So here are the wagonomics movements yesterday towards EOD:

Here is the VC at the top of page 13 (2150 EDT, ~8h until EOD), just before nutella says she wants the Nicole wagon to come back. The Nicole wagon had just disassembled as nutella had come off of Nicole onto me and then epig, and there was some discussion about how large the leetic wagon was getting.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2150 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
dubz (1) - Trek
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, Spurs, dubz, gims
Spurs (1) - Vivax
Epig (2) - MacDougall, nutella
Rondo (2) - pyxxy, jess
Scotty (1) - leetic

16/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~8h hours)

Here it is at 2300 EDT (~7h until EOD) at top of page 14, right as Nicole drops her vote on leetic and bounces. In retrospect, this is a pretty savage outcome for her as she almost certainly thought she was safe as she was going to bed with no votes and 5/4 wagons on leetic and Epig.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
dubz (1) - Trek
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)

Around 0130 EDT (top of page 15, 4.5h until EOD). The nutella block starts shifting from Epig to Nicole. Others have pointed this out, but Duelist is pushing back pretty hard against this shift. Interestingly, Scotty votes for pyxxy, then joins pyxxy on Rondo, and DM flaps around over in that direction after stopping briefly on Epig.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/26/26 at 0130 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole (3) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - dubz, gims, Nicole
Epig (2) - MacDougall, jess
Rondo (3) - pyxxy, Scotty, DM
Scotty (1) - leetic

16/20

Leading: leetic, Nicole and Rondo
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~4.5h hours)

And this is the VC at the top of page 16 (around 0300, 3h from EOD). It's a 4-way tie, but Wilgy's vote on Nicole and aggressive wolf-read leads to that wagon really taking off. Long Con and Epig were both coming for DM.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/26/26 at 0300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (3) - Michelle, Long Con, Epig
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole (3) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax
Porscha (1) - Mac
leetic (3) - dubz, gims, Nicole
Epig (1) - jess
Rondo (3) - pyxxy, Scotty, DM
Scotty (1) - leetic

16/20

Leading: leetic, Nicole, Rondo, DM
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~3h hours)

And this is the final VC. As Nicole's wagon is building, I notice jess and leetic kind of commenting about being sus of a wagon building up on d1. Leetic brings the DM wagon to 6/4, which could be a last gasp to try and bring a counterwagon forward? Tranq then votes Nicole, with the justification that they think DM is town. Looking back, it appears that Nicole actually voted vivax, so it's possible they never actually moved their vote earlier when they said they were moving to leetic.

Spoiler: show

Final Day 1 VC

Duelist Mirage (4) - Michelle, Long Con, Epig, leetic
Vivax (1) - Nicole
dubz (2) - Trek, DM
Nicole (7) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax, Wilgy, Scotty, gims, Tranq
Porscha (1) - Mac
leetic (1) - dubz
Epig (1) - jess
Rondo (1) - pyxxy

18/20

Leading: Nicole
Missing: Porscha , RondoDimBuckle

The one thing that immediately jumps out at me is that dubz is even more townspewed, as Trek was trying to miselim them all day long. The three flipped scum also don't appear to be bussing, as I never saw LC, Nicole, or Trek pop up on each others' wagons

Trekkie was doing what?! You just quoted a bunch of VCs of Trekkie voting literally nobody.

[Duelist Mirage]

Oops I missed eod

I’m good with it lol

Dubz is formally cleared now

For... being on a wolf who seems to have just been AFK?

Brought up LC on day 2 when nobody else was, on reviewing the day 2 VC trek was also pushing dubz all day.

dubz has a wide wolf range but I have a hard time believing the very first thing she does when she wakes up to find her packmate Nicole went over d1 is bus the hell out of another packmate

Again, what are you looking at?! The single vote you have Trek making in your quoted VCs d2 is the last one on leetic. I do not recall any sort of "push" on Dubz in any way other than his late d1 vote, which as I said earlier was just a vote, I don't recall any reasoning ever being given (though I haven't gone back to review)

[GoSpursGo]

Day 1 spoiled VC progression

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/24/26 at 1500 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Spurs, Tranq
Trekkie99 (2) - gims, Scotty
Tranq (2) - Rondo, Nicole

6/20

Leading: Players with votes
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Duelist Mirage, Epignosis, Jess, leetic, Long Con, MacDougall, Michelle, nutella, Porscha, pyxxy, Trekkie, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (~39 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/24/26 at 1615 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (2) - gims, Scotty
Tranq (1) - Rondo
Vivax (2) - Spurs, Nicole

6/20

Leading: Trekkie and Vivax
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Duelist Mirage, Epignosis, Jess, leetic, Long Con, MacDougall, Michelle, nutella, Porscha, pyxxy, Trekkie, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (~38 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/24/26 at 2000 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Tranq (1) - Rondo
Vivax (2) - Spurs, Nicole
dubz (1) - vivax
Nicole (1) - gims
nutella (1) - leetic

8/20

Leading: Vivax
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Duelist Mirage, Epignosis, Jess, Long Con, MacDougall, Michelle, nutella, Porscha, pyxxy, Trekkie

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (~32 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 0930 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (3) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (2) - Epig, Spurs
leetic (1) - DM
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (1) - MacDougall

13/20

Leading: @NicoleAndDime
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Jess, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (20.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1030 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (3) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (1) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (1) - MacDougall

13/20

Leading: @NicoleAndDime
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Jess, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (19.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1230 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Tranq
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (3) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (1) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (2) - pyxxy, Jess
Epig (1) - MacDougall

14/20

Leading: Nicole
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (17.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1300 EDT

Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (2) - gims, nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (1) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (2) - MacDougall, gims

12/20

Leading: Nicole, @Vivax and @Epignosis
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq, Jess

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (17 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1430 EDT

Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (2) - nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (2) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (2) - gims, jess

13/20

Leading: Nicole, Vivax, @leetic , and @Michelle
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (15.5 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1500 EDT

Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (2) - nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - DM, Spurs, Scotty
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (3) - gims, jess, pyxxy

13/20

Leading: leetic and Michelle
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (15 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1600 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (1) - nutella
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - DM, Scotty, Spurs
Spurs (1) - Vivax
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (1) - gims
Rondo (1) - pyxxy

13/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: @DrWilgy , @Dubz , @Porscha , @Trekkie99 , @RondoDimBuckle , @Tranq , @jess

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (14 hours)

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1930 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
Nicole (1) - nutella
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - DM, Scotty, Spurs
Spurs (1) - Vivax
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (1) - gims
Rondo (1) - pyxxy, jess
Scotty (1) - leetic

14/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: @DrWilgy , @Dubz , @Porscha , @Trekkie99 , @RondoDimBuckle , @Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (10.5 hours)

So here are the wagonomics movements yesterday towards EOD:

Here is the VC at the top of page 13 (2150 EDT, ~8h until EOD), just before nutella says she wants the Nicole wagon to come back. The Nicole wagon had just disassembled as nutella had come off of Nicole onto me and then epig, and there was some discussion about how large the leetic wagon was getting.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2150 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
dubz (1) - Trek
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, Spurs, dubz, gims
Spurs (1) - Vivax
Epig (2) - MacDougall, nutella
Rondo (2) - pyxxy, jess
Scotty (1) - leetic

16/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~8h hours)

Here it is at 2300 EDT (~7h until EOD) at top of page 14, right as Nicole drops her vote on leetic and bounces. In retrospect, this is a pretty savage outcome for her as she almost certainly thought she was safe as she was going to bed with no votes and 5/4 wagons on leetic and Epig.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 2300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
dubz (1) - Trek
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (5) - DM, Scotty, dubz, gims, Nicole
Epig (4) - MacDougall, nutella, Spurs, jess
Rondo (1) - pyxxy
Scotty (1) - leetic

15/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq, Vivax

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~7h hours)

Around 0130 EDT (top of page 15, 4.5h until EOD). The nutella block starts shifting from Epig to Nicole. Others have pointed this out, but Duelist is pushing back pretty hard against this shift. Interestingly, Scotty votes for pyxxy, then joins pyxxy on Rondo, and DM flaps around over in that direction after stopping briefly on Epig.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/26/26 at 0130 EDT

Duelist Mirage (2) - Michelle, Long Con
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole (3) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
leetic (3) - dubz, gims, Nicole
Epig (2) - MacDougall, jess
Rondo (3) - pyxxy, Scotty, DM
Scotty (1) - leetic

16/20

Leading: leetic, Nicole and Rondo
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~4.5h hours)

And this is the VC at the top of page 16 (around 0300, 3h from EOD). It's a 4-way tie, but Wilgy's vote on Nicole and aggressive wolf-read leads to that wagon really taking off. Long Con and Epig were both coming for DM.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 VC, 9/26/26 at 0300 EDT

Duelist Mirage (3) - Michelle, Long Con, Epig
dubz (1) - Trek
Nicole (3) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax
Porscha (1) - Mac
leetic (3) - dubz, gims, Nicole
Epig (1) - jess
Rondo (3) - pyxxy, Scotty, DM
Scotty (1) - leetic

16/20

Leading: leetic, Nicole, Rondo, DM
Missing: DrWilgy , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle , Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600EDT (~3h hours)

And this is the final VC. As Nicole's wagon is building, I notice jess and leetic kind of commenting about being sus of a wagon building up on d1. Leetic brings the DM wagon to 6/4, which could be a last gasp to try and bring a counterwagon forward? Tranq then votes Nicole, with the justification that they think DM is town. Looking back, it appears that Nicole actually voted vivax, so it's possible they never actually moved their vote earlier when they said they were moving to leetic.

Spoiler: show

Final Day 1 VC

Duelist Mirage (4) - Michelle, Long Con, Epig, leetic
Vivax (1) - Nicole
dubz (2) - Trek, DM
Nicole (7) - Spurs, nutella, Vivax, Wilgy, Scotty, gims, Tranq
Porscha (1) - Mac
leetic (1) - dubz
Epig (1) - jess
Rondo (1) - pyxxy

18/20

Leading: Nicole
Missing: Porscha , RondoDimBuckle

The one thing that immediately jumps out at me is that dubz is even more townspewed, as Trek was trying to miselim them all day long. The three flipped scum also don't appear to be bussing, as I never saw LC, Nicole, or Trek pop up on each others' wagons

Trekkie was doing what?! You just quoted a bunch of VCs of Trekkie voting literally nobody.

There's a second spoiler in there--Trek is trying to push dubz at the end of day 1.

Oops I missed eod

I’m good with it lol

Dubz is formally cleared now

For... being on a wolf who seems to have just been AFK?

Brought up LC on day 2 when nobody else was, on reviewing the day 2 VC trek was also pushing dubz all day.

dubz has a wide wolf range but I have a hard time believing the very first thing she does when she wakes up to find her packmate Nicole went over d1 is bus the hell out of another packmate

Again, what are you looking at?! The single vote you have Trek making in your quoted VCs d2 is the last one on leetic. I do not recall any sort of "push" on Dubz in any way other than his late d1 vote, which as I said earlier was just a vote, I don't recall any reasoning ever being given (though I haven't gone back to review)

Here I'm saying dubz is pushing on Long Con, which is unlikely for w!dubz to do to w!LC

[Duelist Mirage]

Oops I missed eod

I’m good with it lol

Dubz is formally cleared now

For... being on a wolf who seems to have just been AFK?

Brought up LC on day 2 when nobody else was, on reviewing the day 2 VC trek was also pushing dubz all day.

dubz has a wide wolf range but I have a hard time believing the very first thing she does when she wakes up to find her packmate Nicole went over d1 is bus the hell out of another packmate

Should also generally be hesitant to find activity as AI, but I just also don’t believe she would be completely absent from the thread if her pack was going down. Her wolf meta is very much powerwolf, and this feels like v!dubz who figures the rest of the town has got this so she doesn’t need to exert herself.

Sounds a lot like what people were just saying about Long Con

Actually also sounds a lot like me other than that part, are you sure she'd still keep the "powerwolf" meta up if the team is falling down around her? Just because someone can powerwolf sometimes doesn't mean it's the only way they might play wolf.

[Duelist Mirage]

I think we can also do 'cop cover'

as in, we can clearly that, if we are cop, our targets were w, z, and their affiliations are a, b

that way we can help the cop out their results without outing the cop

lemme know if this is excessive or fair (I'm thinking fair)

I’m not sure we should explicitly say our targets because of the bus driver.

Though the mech advantage may be so overwhelming that it doesn’t matter atp

I think we are probably not even allowed to claim targeting things, hypothetically or not

I did give some consideration to trying to set something like that up earlier but it'd definitely have to be cleared by the mod first and I decided it probably wouldn't be and even if it was it was likely to give a lot of role info away to mafia so I didn't even ask

[GoSpursGo]

Oops I missed eod

I’m good with it lol

Dubz is formally cleared now

For... being on a wolf who seems to have just been AFK?

Brought up LC on day 2 when nobody else was, on reviewing the day 2 VC trek was also pushing dubz all day.

dubz has a wide wolf range but I have a hard time believing the very first thing she does when she wakes up to find her packmate Nicole went over d1 is bus the hell out of another packmate

Should also generally be hesitant to find activity as AI, but I just also don’t believe she would be completely absent from the thread if her pack was going down. Her wolf meta is very much powerwolf, and this feels like v!dubz who figures the rest of the town has got this so she doesn’t need to exert herself.

Sounds a lot like what people were just saying about Long Con

Actually also sounds a lot like me other than that part, are you sure she'd still keep the "powerwolf" meta up if the team is falling down around her? Just because someone can powerwolf sometimes doesn't mean it's the only way they might play wolf.

I have never seen a dubz wolf team get hosed quite as badly as this team is getting hosed, so I can't say with 100% certainty that she would keep up her WIM. But I would still find it extremely unlikely for her to immediately bus long con on d2 after losing Nicole.

You certainly don't have to take my word for it, and you can vote her if you like. I'm just saying that I believe it would be a miselim, and I won't be voting for her for at least 2-3 cycles.

[GoSpursGo]

I have never seen a dubz wolf team get hosed quite as badly as this team is getting hosed

tbqh, I've never beaten a dubz wolf team at all, and I think I may have only ever been swept by wolves that have dubz on their team.

[Duelist Mirage]

Ok im hardcore stopping you right there

We are doing this

No, I'm hardcore stopping you right there

There is zero reason to think Jedi can still act

You are trying to take a game where we are in really good shape solving normally and force unreliable mech instead

It COULD work or it could blow up towncore through modkill/seppuku and get towncore randomly eliminated instead of PoE

Stop talking about this publically please, take up your angleshooty ideas with the host

I'm playing the game the way it's intended

[Scotty]

so one thing for jedi: if they havent used it yet, jedi should wait until we're down to a single mafia left, and then use jedi. so not tonight. we can then safely break the game.

I like this, predicated on a) the Jedi not having been used yet (which it shouldn’t have if used optimally) and b) everyone actually doing their part and not voting.

b feels tough in practice just because human will exists, but I’m all for breaking games with mech if possible

ngl wolves need some help and I am unlikely to follow this at the best of times, mostly because no one wants to cooperate when I want to do a thing

[gims]

No, I'm hardcore stopping you right there

There is zero reason to think Jedi can still act

You are trying to take a game where we are in really good shape solving normally and force unreliable mech instead

It COULD work or it could blow up towncore through modkill/seppuku and get towncore randomly eliminated instead of PoE

Stop talking about this publically please, take up your angleshooty ideas with the host

I'm playing the game the way it's intended

no it cant

none of this is angleshooting

youre the one talking about a bunch of seriously silly things

all we're gonna do it, come day FIVE, nobody votes, thats it

if we have a redcheck instead, we do that instead

if we have better mech to do, we do that instead

if jedi is dead, we do something else instead

but 'angleshooting'? really? what part of it is angleshooting, using available mech in a way thats sensible?

[gims]

im also dead voting rondo after we kill pyxxy just for that line

[gims]

'angleshooty ideas' isn't something you should ever say unless you think someone is bending the rules btw

this isn't bending the rules, this is the use of a mechanical tool in a mechanical way that benefits town, thats it

its not our fault that scum put themselves in that spot

[gims]

so annoying.

[gims]

and not worth my time at that.

[GoSpursGo]

Ok im hardcore stopping you right there

We are doing this

Ok im hardcore stopping you right there

We are doing this

No, I'm hardcore stopping you right there

There is zero reason to think Jedi can still act

You are trying to take a game where we are in really good shape solving normally and force unreliable mech instead

It COULD work or it could blow up towncore through modkill/seppuku and get towncore randomly eliminated instead of PoE

Stop talking about this publically please, take up your angleshooty ideas with the host

I'm playing the game the way it's intended

I think you're both being a little unnecessarily harsh towards one another.

I agree that gims's plan would not meet the definition of what I consider to be angleshooting.

[gims]

im sorry for being harsh, DM.

this isnt the first time im accused of angleshooting and I hate it every single time it happens, I find it unfair, this isn't a word that should be used loosely because its an accusation of unethical play.

[Duelist Mirage]

One problem is maybe ppl have prizes that relate to vote, so If a townie dies we'll know prize winners are the POE for scum

No we don't!! We can't know that unless we knew Jedi acted and unless like the druid gets reloaded and outs the Jedi, we can't know that!

Which youre one of them so lol

And we don't know who the prize winners are so even if we DID somehow know Jedi was acting we would have to also get those all claimed which may not even be possible

Second of all we dont need jedi to tell If they used or not, this role served no purpose on d1-2-3 ofc

Please stop

You can't assume anyone would use a role like you just now have decided is the optimal way

I would assume it's been used, if I had to make an assumption, because people like using their role and not sitting on it!

[Porscha]

Rondo hanging back looks weird.

Porscha didn’t vote but was fully here.

Epi looks bad just for *reasons*

Pyxxy isn’t a defacto wolf anymore. Wouldn’tcha know

umm i thought eod was overnight tonight and not last night. was my bad lol

[gims]

You can't assume anyone would use a role like you just now have decided is the optimal way

I would assume it's been used, if I had to make an assumption, because people like using their role and not sitting on it!

what?

[Porscha]

Rondo why haven't you voted yet? Clearly you're here reading along and not having tea somewhere.

why vote when porscha can get away with not voting? as long as that keeps getting past with no bother, I dont see any reason to vote. You guys have it

true. town be winning without my votes anyhow. lol

[Duelist Mirage]

Also ppl who have vote manipulation abilities as prizes should ALWAYS claim that

Only scum would hide that info cause this is pointless for town

LMAO what

Where's your imagination

You think it's so strange that wolves might try to push over a townie to protect a wolf counterwagon then get caught doing so because the wolf flips instead because they don't know there was vote manipulation in town's favor?