WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[GoSpursGo]

@jess nutella's iso is pretty bad.

Obvs the nicole stuff is what it is but aside from that it looks like her wolf play and includes townreads on trekkie and a random shield on long con. Also strong day 1 defense of leetic who I think is very wolfy too. She is also absent her usual town fire, which doesn't ordinarily go away in town stomps having been a wolf on the receiving end before she is overwhelming in that way.

She feels very much like a wolf drowning with her team dying around her while all she can do is keep tapping the "I killed nicole" sign.

@MacDougall - nut being mafia is hard sell for me because she's probably the player here who had the most direct influence on getting incole killed at the end of day one:

Anyone wanna bring back the nicole wagon

and i dont really think she's the type to hard-bus like that,, at least not in the context of a gamestate where nicole hypothetically could have survived a bit longer if nut didnt help push her over the edge

ive also just found her really towny on a tonal/energy level and she's done some classic nutella things like her paranoia about me a few days ago

but i mean ive lost my ability to godread nutella so i wont entirely discount it, i just dont rly see it as likely

I know what you mean. There is some classic nutella in here too. And some of the reasons to suspect are ironically townie in some respects like the switching from leetic town to wolf to town shows a lack of tmi in her solving process. So I am certainly not planning to actively push her. But I think she is clearly the most questionable widely townread player. I think on the sum of it all I still lean town though.

fwiw, I've read the nutella stuff on this page and can see the angle. You have to allow that she ruthlessly hard-bussed Nicole for cred on D1, but if that was the wolf plan I feel like she would have used that cred more actively to try and bamboozle us on future days.

But worth considering.

[MacDougall]

Wilgy / Epi are both POE but I think they both have as much town equity as they do wolf.

Duelist Mirage is to me still a slot that I still have as POE plus they resolve d1 wagons. I do need to reread them after latest flips tho.

Leetic is now my top wolfread.

Pyxxy I kind of feel is town atm. Mostly because of the stubborn fight they put up. Like they are town for the same reason I am? But I need to look into it a lil more.

And yeah nutella kind of... makes sense as a wolf even moreso when you have my poe. She fits nicely with wilgy because if wilgy is a wolf then the wolf team bussed nicole d1 which points at one or both leetic/DM also being wolves and them tactically choosing nicole to go over those two.

Everyone else I am pretty comfortably townreading now.

[MacDougall]

@jess nutella's iso is pretty bad.

Obvs the nicole stuff is what it is but aside from that it looks like her wolf play and includes townreads on trekkie and a random shield on long con. Also strong day 1 defense of leetic who I think is very wolfy too. She is also absent her usual town fire, which doesn't ordinarily go away in town stomps having been a wolf on the receiving end before she is overwhelming in that way.

She feels very much like a wolf drowning with her team dying around her while all she can do is keep tapping the "I killed nicole" sign.

@MacDougall - nut being mafia is hard sell for me because she's probably the player here who had the most direct influence on getting incole killed at the end of day one:

Anyone wanna bring back the nicole wagon

and i dont really think she's the type to hard-bus like that,, at least not in the context of a gamestate where nicole hypothetically could have survived a bit longer if nut didnt help push her over the edge

ive also just found her really towny on a tonal/energy level and she's done some classic nutella things like her paranoia about me a few days ago

but i mean ive lost my ability to godread nutella so i wont entirely discount it, i just dont rly see it as likely

I know what you mean. There is some classic nutella in here too. And some of the reasons to suspect are ironically townie in some respects like the switching from leetic town to wolf to town shows a lack of tmi in her solving process. So I am certainly not planning to actively push her. But I think she is clearly the most questionable widely townread player. I think on the sum of it all I still lean town though.

fwiw, I've read the nutella stuff on this page and can see the angle. You have to allow that she ruthlessly hard-bussed Nicole for cred on D1, but if that was the wolf plan I feel like she would have used that cred more actively to try and bamboozle us on future days.

But worth considering.

Yes that is a valid point but it would be hard to pull off unless your team steps up and gives you cover to do so and this wolf team have clearly not done so.

Like the dynamic on day 2 was that I was wagoned most of the day and therefore wolf nutella is incentivised to say and do very little to stop that especially when counter wagons were wolves she had strongly defended on day 1. There is an aspect if antispew at play plus also not wanting to get her hands dirty too much on a mac town flip because most here would hold her more accountable for it (or at least she would be wary of this) given the meta over the years has often had people asking nutella to read me for them.

Then on day 3 she is dealing with a day a wolf died, mac is now cleared, her other wolf teammate she had defended is being run up...

You can see how if she was a wolf and bussed nicole there has not really been any dynamic that presented itself to her since that has allowed her to appeal to authority to direct the game into more pro wolf outcomes. In actuality the towniest looking things she could have done is what she has done which are the little things AND absence of pro wolf play outside of day 1.

[MacDougall]

Man i am convincing myself on nutella pretty hard now after rereading her day 2 and 3.

[MacDougall]

On day 2 she votes me and then when I started fighting she is like "shrug no idea guess ill vote jess" then goes back to me. Meanwhile town killed a pretty easy to find wolf (one she defended on day 1) and probably had another run up (who she also defended).

Then on day 3 she's no energy forced into another Sophie's choice between pyxxy and lc and she is already the deepest wolf and her team are just floundering. She is simultaneously trying to say correct and wise things like pyxxy seems town while also protecting the wolf agenda...

Hard game if she's a wolf. Really hard.

But it looks to me like her and leetic are wolves whose team has just been decimated around them.

[MacDougall]

Imma go back to doing f all cuz that was working and if it aint broke dont fix it.

[nutella]

honestly all fair but i am indeed town

[leetic]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

[GoSpursGo]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

Who specifically that is scum reading you right now do you suspect are the remaining two wolves?

[leetic]

The one thing I will say about pyxxy is the reasons they had for wolfreading LC were terrible. Since wolf partners have TMI I'd expect a better argument from w!pyxxy that LC was wolf than "he was inactive in this past game as a wolf"

[leetic]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

Who specifically that is scum reading you right now do you suspect are the remaining two wolves?

Have skimmed through the thread but it's apparent a lot of people are scumming me and given past trends they can't all be town. I will say that MacDougall's sudden switchup on me after he was townreading me so much for (kinda sorta) defending him during D2 does not look good

[leetic]

I dunno how leetic could have such a small town pool tbh. I consider him outed. Good day.

Believe this argument or not but if I were wolf I'd posit a bigger townpool lol. As town I don't see the need to towncore people I'm not confident in

[leetic]

Trekkie has been pro Mac so again I am not incentivised to suspect them in the current gamestate. I have a vague feeling they are gonna flip mafia and I will be in defense mode again on day 3 but that is fine lol.

This is a post that aged poorly especially given that Mac slanked most of D3

[leetic]

On day 2 she votes me and then when I started fighting she is like "shrug no idea guess ill vote jess" then goes back to me. Meanwhile town killed a pretty easy to find wolf (one she defended on day 1) and probably had another run up (who she also defended).

Then on day 3 she's no energy forced into another Sophie's choice between pyxxy and lc and she is already the deepest wolf and her team are just floundering. She is simultaneously trying to say correct and wise things like pyxxy seems town while also protecting the wolf agenda...

Hard game if she's a wolf. Really hard.

But it looks to me like her and leetic are wolves whose team has just been decimated around them.

And this feels like revisionism given that you were not exactly pushing Trekkie D2 at all. If they were a "pretty easy to find wolf" what does that say about you all but shielding them?

[Duelist Mirage]

On day 2 she votes me and then when I started fighting she is like "shrug no idea guess ill vote jess" then goes back to me. Meanwhile town killed a pretty easy to find wolf (one she defended on day 1) and probably had another run up (who she also defended).

Then on day 3 she's no energy forced into another Sophie's choice between pyxxy and lc and she is already the deepest wolf and her team are just floundering. She is simultaneously trying to say correct and wise things like pyxxy seems town while also protecting the wolf agenda...

Hard game if she's a wolf. Really hard.

But it looks to me like her and leetic are wolves whose team has just been decimated around them.

I like the analysis and yeah I've also had nutella being deepwolf as a possibility in the back of my mind for some time now. I've seen a wolf push a d1 case on a buddy only to have everyone decide it was good and flip there, against what was actually desired. But I think leetic is like, exactly who would not be her remaining buddy, because she showed up when leetic was getting wagoned near EoD to start that Nicole wagon, didn't she? If her buddy leetic is looking to be under threat, why start a wagon on a different buddy?

As an accidental wagon that was meant to be just distancing, it's weird because if leetic goes over then nutella looks worse for going elsewhere. As a choice to try to flip Nicole instead of leetic, um why? It wouldn't have looked particularly amiss for her to vote me for instance, she wasn't townreading me. I guess I maybe wasn't a great counterwagon choice because Nicole and Trek had both been calling me town so their movement options were limited but Long Con did try to push me anyway. I guess expecting that level of coordination is probably too much but it just doesn't seem like how anyone is likely to handle that situation with leetic as a buddy.

[Duelist Mirage]

The one thing I will say about pyxxy is the reasons they had for wolfreading LC were terrible. Since wolf partners have TMI I'd expect a better argument from w!pyxxy that LC was wolf than "he was inactive in this past game as a wolf"

.....

I'm sorry, which game are you reading here?

[gims]

Yup that flat out didnt happens lol

[Golden]

Apologies for the delay, I am working through who has met prize requirements now and will be back shortly and provide the prize in Discord.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo why haven't you voted yet? Clearly you're here reading along and not having tea somewhere.

why vote when porscha can get away with not voting? as long as that keeps getting past with no bother, I dont see any reason to vote. You guys have it

true. town be winning without my votes anyhow. lol

our votes

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo why haven't you voted yet? Clearly you're here reading along and not having tea somewhere.

why vote when porscha can get away with not voting? as long as that keeps getting past with no bother, I dont see any reason to vote. You guys have it

Bad excuse

he's just mad I'm allowed to not get more scrutiny for not voting all the time lol

it works, how does it always work? Well now its gonna work for me

[RondoDimBuckle]

Remember you're only gonna get 5 posts from me during the day so gl, hope you do as awesome as you have been so far 3 for 3 can we go 4 for 4?

Dammit Rondo...

now you're making me think through the mechanics of how the bus driver is going to use that information

Also don't bother, he's just a liar, Rondo be like that

hahahahaha, yeah host hadnt even said who was eligible for a prize and went to bed saying they would do it later at that point.

[RondoDimBuckle]

As he SLAMS in a vote on [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine the children are woken by sighs of extreme pleasure. This is sure to come up in some counsellor's room at a later date.

This may be my favourite correct vote ever.

In light of Jack not being here, let me post something he would ^ Mac voting Long Con

[Golden]

Players who met all roleplay requirements on day 3

Duelist Mirage
GoSpursGo
pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle
Scotty

The funniest post which got the extra entry was:

I just think you’re breaking wind on my street. Leave that to the professionals (the actual wind)

[Golden]

I think we can also do 'cop cover'

as in, we can clearly that, if we are cop, our targets were w, z, and their affiliations are a, b

that way we can help the cop out their results without outing the cop

lemme know if this is excessive or fair (I'm thinking fair)

For clarity, you cannot infodump fake or real info, so this plan would not work within the rules.

[leetic]

The one thing I will say about pyxxy is the reasons they had for wolfreading LC were terrible. Since wolf partners have TMI I'd expect a better argument from w!pyxxy that LC was wolf than "he was inactive in this past game as a wolf"

.....

I'm sorry, which game are you reading here?

it's usually a good idea to go for a slanker at this stage in the game

This is Long Con as wolf a few months ago: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... 1&sr=posts

He made a total of 14 posts over the final week (two day phases) that he was alive after I went down on d2, all very brief. He completely vanished for over a full day before making his final post in the game, which contained a claim that he was busy. I find it to be plenty similar to his disappearance here, not the opposite!

Yes, I know it's annoying to read posts that are in pictures rather than text but come on man

[gims]

That wasnt a wolfread

[gims]

That was a "LC was silenced and isnt posting as a result" explanation for his lack of presence

[Duelist Mirage]

Yes, come on man, pyxxy moved his vote to Long Con after I posted about his previous game and two other people looked at that and went "oh that does kinda look the same"

And you're calling it pyxxy's reasoning

I am not pyxxy

[MacDougall]

honestly all fair but i am indeed town

Plausible but if anything wolfier than if you were all incredulous haha.

[MacDougall]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

Weird post. It's just me dawg. Townie old me.

[MacDougall]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

Who specifically that is scum reading you right now do you suspect are the remaining two wolves?

Have skimmed through the thread but it's apparent a lot of people are scumming me and given past trends they can't all be town. I will say that MacDougall's sudden switchup on me after he was townreading me so much for (kinda sorta) defending him during D2 does not look good

See @nutella this is towny lol. He is all how very fucken dare u.

[MacDougall]

As he SLAMS in a vote on [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine the children are woken by sighs of extreme pleasure. This is sure to come up in some counsellor's room at a later date.

This may be my favourite correct vote ever.

In light of Jack not being here, let me post something he would ^ Mac voting Long Con

Thats beautiful man.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

Who specifically that is scum reading you right now do you suspect are the remaining two wolves?

Have skimmed through the thread but it's apparent a lot of people are scumming me and given past trends they can't all be town. I will say that MacDougall's sudden switchup on me after he was townreading me so much for (kinda sorta) defending him during D2 does not look good

See @nutella this is towny lol. He is all how very fucken dare u.

get pocketed

[MacDougall]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

Who specifically that is scum reading you right now do you suspect are the remaining two wolves?

Have skimmed through the thread but it's apparent a lot of people are scumming me and given past trends they can't all be town. I will say that MacDougall's sudden switchup on me after he was townreading me so much for (kinda sorta) defending him during D2 does not look good

See @nutella this is towny lol. He is all how very fucken dare u.

get pocketed

What you disagree?

[MacDougall]

So you think leetic is a wolf then? @leetic rondo suspects you.

[nutella]

honestly all fair but i am indeed town

Plausible but if anything wolfier than if you were all incredulous haha.

skill issue

[nutella]

Come on wolves. Y'all got humiliated the last two times you tried to go for me. Are you sure you want a round three?

Who specifically that is scum reading you right now do you suspect are the remaining two wolves?

Have skimmed through the thread but it's apparent a lot of people are scumming me and given past trends they can't all be town. I will say that MacDougall's sudden switchup on me after he was townreading me so much for (kinda sorta) defending him during D2 does not look good

See @nutella this is towny lol. He is all how very fucken dare u.

i have been townreading leetic since forever

[nutella]

oh youre comparing to me

yeah sorry i just dont care lol

[Porscha]

if i'm being honest I think spurs just has a bias for scumming people who are posting more than people who arent regardless of whether they are towny or wolfy lol and is letting the day 1 nicole wagon just vibe and barely exist is (fine) but not actually optimal

like what's any different from nutella 5 posting and rondo 5 posting and mac 5 posting each day? they are all in drastically different tiers and the only difference would be votes. nutella iirc has been on... all 3 flipped wolves? so I get the TR there

but idk where rondo or mac ended each day. i know mac didnt vote trekkie but I think if you want to sus me, you have to sus mac first and essentially create an argument that him and trekkie theatered in thread and I as the third wolf did it to bolster mac and then mac also townread me back and then mac stopped playing again. which is plausible, but I think that's pretty much the only world where I'm a wolf. and I also called out nicole very early and got zero cred for it as her partner.

I mean Nutella more or less owns the Nicole pelt, so that’s the difference between her and rondo/mac. Yeah bussing is a thing, but when the pack so far has shown no signs of bussing idk why we need to tie ourselves in knots worrying about it.

I’m not sure how you can simultaneously sus Nutella for actually restarting the Nicole wagon, yet try to claim credit for sussing Nicole without voting for her.

Like, I’m not saying for sure you’re a wolf and I’m not even sure you’re in my most likely solve, but atp I just don’t have much reason to town you. That’s just how I see the game.

ok well I wasn't sussing nutella so you're already misreading what I'm saying lol

I also feel no need to towncase myself and you'll probs die over night soon anyway so no real point in wasting breath

idk why you specifically pointed out nutella then if you weren't making a point on that read being off. But that's fine. I'm also very unlikely to go after you in the next day phase.

FWIW I've found this exchange towny, I just don't usually trust my ability to read based on that.

you had all 3 of those players in different tiers, so it was contrasting how you viewed 3 different players who all give a similar amount of effort

may you find confidence to read people in how they post. inshallah

[MacDougall]

oh youre comparing to me

yeah sorry i just dont care lol

Cmon man apathy isnt cool any more. Wide eyed earnest sincerity is the social currency of the cool.

[MacDougall]

@Porscha can u inject nutella with some wim?

[nutella]

this is me being earnest and sincere

[nutella]

who needs wim when you can do nothing and win

[MacDougall]

who needs wim when you can do nothing and win

Yeah but remember that game on MU where you and Jess rolled my entire wolf team from start to end and I ended up having to concede cuz i had no more outs. You didnt have to do anything then either but you were like feasting on the blood of wolves and had a hunger no amount of winning could satisfy. You LIVED for the death of wolves. Revelled in it. Fist pumped the moon for it.

[MacDougall]

*sigh* if ur not gonna get towny im gonna end up tunnelled on you lol.

[Porscha]

Rondo why haven't you voted yet? Clearly you're here reading along and not having tea somewhere.

why vote when porscha can get away with not voting? as long as that keeps getting past with no bother, I dont see any reason to vote. You guys have it

Bad excuse

he's just mad I'm allowed to not get more scrutiny for not voting all the time lol

it works, how does it always work? Well now its gonna work for me

it doesnt always work, but in my defense, I used to have so many instances of saving a wolf during eod, or backreading eod and realizing I would have 100% defended the wolf... that the rate of me not voting may not be that bad of a way to get wolves over lmfao. can't mislead town to save a wolf, and then when they flip wolf later, I spend a gratuitous amount of time trying to avoid the ML

meow

[Porscha]

@Porscha can u inject nutella with some wim?

no but I recommend just letting her chill and do what half of the players are doing since. the wheel is still churning and burning out wolves at a high velocity

nobody's gonna forget she exists later if we have to get to that point

[MacDougall]

@Porscha can u inject nutella with some wim?

no but I recommend just letting her chill and do what half of the players are doing since. the wheel is still churning and burning out wolves at a high velocity

nobody's gonna forget she exists later if we have to get to that point

But what if I think she might be the wolfiest player alive right now? What then?

[Porscha]

@Porscha can u inject nutella with some wim?

no but I recommend just letting her chill and do what half of the players are doing since. the wheel is still churning and burning out wolves at a high velocity

nobody's gonna forget she exists later if we have to get to that point

But what if I think she might be the wolfiest player alive right now? What then?

then you made a good case that i've already seen multiple people acknowledge while back reading and you've done your part

[jess]

meow