WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[Scotty]

AO
To note, I have tranq as a particular role, and then Wilgy as a particular role. I could be very off, but we’re getting to the part of the game where identifying roles will be the key

I have zero desire to do this. Explain why you feel it's important?

The population is thinning, and while the street continues to be as busy as ever, I can identify passersby based on clothing, frequency, voices. Part of the routine comes with knowing the constituents.

In laystreetlights terms, behavior is one thing, but identification will ultimately become our biggest strength. The bad guys are already using it- we must match it. It is a reason I think town lost last game

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Can you make the case or remind me where you made it? I only immediately saw your dubz case.

I'm not completely opposed to that wagon since I was making the push on D2. But to me LC and Epig sort of exist in the same space of being "wolfy," but for different reasons and nothing specifically pairing them with Nicole/Trek

Pyxxy has no reason to "truly think LC is just busy"

Yes im sure LC is busy, but what about his alignment? What if he is busy but also demotivated given how the game developed against the scum team? Anyway

The LC/pyxxy world is palpable so lets figure that out

No, gims is right, how is it that you can be confident Long Con is town?

Also pyxxy not voting LC for self pres is kind of amazing

It's not. Um, didn't you vote someone else up until the last minute when you were getting wagoned in the Unhinged game?

in a vacuum (of which i have not seen on my streets as that’s an insular object), pyxxy’s defense of LC is probably the most thorough read he’s offered all game within the sphere of his roleplay. That feels notable and over-explainy.

I agree with Spurs. No need to speculate about who has which town role.
I still think there's a decent chance of pyxxy being the Ice Cream Man based on Michelle's roleblock.

@Tranq curious what you make of pyxxy’s claim here:

It would be really nice to know if LC is silenced or not as it clarifies if pyxxy or someone else may have been roleblocked

[Scotty]

PIYO PIYO
I see Michelle targeted pyxxy N2. Can’t see any hint as to who she targeted N3 before dying, but seeing as there was only one kill and looks like everyone has checked in today (hence no silence) it’s prob a RB on someone not named pyxxy. Wish we could get a feel on who that was.


While I have you and the AO sign is on, why do we town read Jess again? I keep finding her towny based on votes and one or two posts she made relating to dead mafia but curious why everyone else does

[GoSpursGo]

PIYO PIYO
I see Michelle targeted pyxxy N2. Can’t see any hint as to who she targeted N3 before dying, but seeing as there was only one kill and looks like everyone has checked in today (hence no silence) it’s prob a RB on someone not named pyxxy. Wish we could get a feel on who that was.


While I have you and the AO sign is on, why do we town read Jess again? I keep finding her towny based on votes and one or two posts she made relating to dead mafia but curious why everyone else does

I don’t really, she’s kind of in that secondary POE zone for me along with leetic and Rondo. The best look for her is that she was early on Trek’s wagon day 2 when there was basically no real pressure on him and then never wavered. You could consider if that was just distancing; I would need to go back and look at her activity that whole day

[gims]

So the pyxxy thing

He was either lying abt not being roleblocked, or michelle was redirected

If Michelle was redirected, she didnt silence nor killed anyone so she roleblocked elsewhere

We know Michelle had to roleblock on N2 cause nobody died or was silenced

Is that all correct?

[GoSpursGo]

So the pyxxy thing

He was either lying abt not being roleblocked, or michelle was redirected

If Michelle was redirected, she didnt silence nor killed anyone so she roleblocked elsewhere

We know Michelle had to roleblock on N2 cause nobody died or was silenced

Is that all correct?

Yes. It appears that one way or another, her ability resolved as an RB (or on N2 I suppose it could have been redirected to vivax who also died to the NK, though I’m not sure how or why that would have happened)

[gims]

If Michelle was redirected, she was redirected away from pyxxy in a spot where she stated her target on N2

That does make sense as scum will try to protect a POE townslot from getting killed and redirect Michelle to a townie. But ofc theyll always redirect Michelle when pyxxy is mafia.

Are those all correct?

[gims]

What was michelles n1?

[GoSpursGo]

What was michelles n1?

Tranq, who was silenced (though unclear if by her or by some redirection of the mafia silencer)

[GoSpursGo]

If Michelle was redirected, she was redirected away from pyxxy in a spot where she stated her target on N2

That does make sense as scum will try to protect a POE townslot from getting killed and redirect Michelle to a townie. But ofc theyll always redirect Michelle when pyxxy is mafia.

Are those all correct?

I don’t believe Michelle clearly stated her target before N2

[gims]

I see

I dont think pyxxy needed to lie abt not being roleblocked but it is at least interesting that IC Man never targeted Michelle

Perhaps they used it n1

[gims]

If Michelle was redirected, she was redirected away from pyxxy in a spot where she stated her target on N2

That does make sense as scum will try to protect a POE townslot from getting killed and redirect Michelle to a townie. But ofc theyll always redirect Michelle when pyxxy is mafia.

Are those all correct?

I don’t believe Michelle clearly stated her target before N2

Ok thats true, she states her target at the start of d3

[gims]

Well

That feels very conjectural re: pyxxy anyway

I agree his overexpainy LC defense is bad tho + LC dropping from the game

[GoSpursGo]

I see

I dont think pyxxy needed to lie abt not being roleblocked but it is at least interesting that IC Man never targeted Michelle

Perhaps they used it n1

Hum.

I’m pondering your point about pyxxy

Possible if was used n1 but would’ve had to be redirected to mafia cuz I assume town would have shared

[nutella]

man idk about pyxxy and the mech stuff is confusing me

i could probably go leetic at this point i just have no idea

it just isn't epi lol

[Duelist Mirage]

Though I am not sure my dō-maru is protection enough to undertake this, especially after all the damage it has already taken, I will ask gims:

I find it unlikely a wolf nutella says she's cool with
"wolf, town, wolf" suggestions? personally

Agreed

My nutella wolf case kinda required leetic to be scum

we've been clearing nutella on the back of her nicole push on d1, but if leetic is also scum, she was maybe protecting a partner while pushing another partner there

not unlikely and we shouldnt expect scum not to distance

How does this make sense? Why would nutella only push Nicole as a wolf if leetic is yet another wolf? I have already made a case to the contrary. If nutella is one of the treacherous wolves stalking the halls of the court, leetic is even more likely to be town. It's as simple as nutella starting a Nicole wagon with the hopes of it not actually being successful at going through on Nicole there.

[gims]

Bc leetic was also being pushed by nicole so If that was a s^s interaction shed have to just go ahead and take a stance

While if leetic is town she is flat out bussing Nicole when she had options like leetic

[Duelist Mirage]

I can go back and look later, but at least when I previously reviewed after the fact it felt very much like the meta case gave pyxxy an “excuse” to self prez after defending LC for so much of the day. Like I weigh his weak reasoning for defending LC in the first place, and that he was trying very hard to vote anywhere but long con, but I still have no idea how he came to the conclusion that long con was “just busy”.

It is possible that he finally decided Long Con wasn't going to show up at all to even vote and that's why pyxxy finally gave in and switched to attempted self-preservation. But it doesn't really match with him having been making the argument that Long Con was just gone before that point. I don't really know how to read it, it's messy. And maybe that makes it more likely town.

[Duelist Mirage]

AO
To note, I have tranq as a particular role, and then Wilgy as a particular role. I could be very off, but we’re getting to the part of the game where identifying roles will be the key

Have a care about which you speak, Scotty-san. Shogun Ashikaga may find dishonor stemming from them.

[Duelist Mirage]

I agree with Spurs. No need to speculate about who has which town role.
I still think there's a decent chance of pyxxy being the Ice Cream Man based on Michelle's roleblock.

I think it's more likely that it got redirected to Trekkie, given that you were the only one silenced on D2. Odds do not seem high that you ended up targeted by both the silencer and Michelle, or the silencer and Michelle got redirected elsewhere and blocked someone.

But there's lots of possibilities. Including that it hit a townie who just hasn't said so. I'm not even sure that they should say so, does it really help us when there's so much else unknown? They might not have even been the intended target and in that case, letting mafia know that it went elsewhere might affect something like their kill targeting.

[Duelist Mirage]

So the pyxxy thing

He was either lying abt not being roleblocked, or michelle was redirected

If Michelle was redirected, she didnt silence nor killed anyone so she roleblocked elsewhere

We know Michelle had to roleblock on N2 cause nobody died or was silenced

Is that all correct?

I don't even take pyxxy's statement as a real claim, it doesn't seem like the sort of thing you're allowed to seriously post because it's about your role.

And Michelle could have resolved on Long Con as a silence, he never posted. Other than that possibility, yes it had to be a block.

[Tranq]

@Tranq curious what you make of pyxxy’s claim here:

It would be really nice to know if LC is silenced or not as it clarifies if pyxxy or someone else may have been roleblocked

It's a lie? What else is a roleblocked mafia going to say?

[Tranq]

I agree with Spurs. No need to speculate about who has which town role.
I still think there's a decent chance of pyxxy being the Ice Cream Man based on Michelle's roleblock.

I think it's more likely that it got redirected to Trekkie, given that you were the only one silenced on D2. Odds do not seem high that you ended up targeted by both the silencer and Michelle, or the silencer and Michelle got redirected elsewhere and blocked someone.

But there's lots of possibilities. Including that it hit a townie who just hasn't said so. I'm not even sure that they should say so, does it really help us when there's so much else unknown? They might not have even been the intended target and in that case, letting mafia know that it went elsewhere might affect something like their kill targeting.

Who got redirected to Trekkie?

[Tranq]

Mech aside, there is still Trekkie saying "Voting Pyxxy feels lame" and pyxxy's LC posts which i think are the stronger points against him.

[gims]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Aleight

[Duelist Mirage]

Bc leetic was also being pushed by nicole so If that was a s^s interaction shed have to just go ahead and take a stance

While if leetic is town she is flat out bussing Nicole when she had options like leetic

Perhaps my kabuto is too tight upon my head but these words do not generate meaning to me. What is 'taking a stance' and why does nutella have to do it? How did she not do it already? How likely do you think it seemed that Nicole would be exiled from court that day based upon nutella's simple comments about leetic and Nicole there?

[Porscha]

Pyxxy
Voters: gims, Epignosis, Michelle, Scotty, leetic

pyxxy voters at EOD

when pyxxy is town, I think this is likely to have both of them

I know I'm town, so epig/scotty/leetic

epig/leetic could be a solve

I’m open to the possibility.

Can you explain why pyxxy feels more pure than leetic? Like, clearly I’ve felt leetic has been “scummy” since the beginning of the game, but his frustration feels pretty earned from being a wagon basically every day. pyxxy may “vibe” better, but isn’t in large part due to his bit?

I Felt like pyxxy was legitimately swayed by DM's meta case against LC, while leetic seemed to be pushing pyxxy hard there for no reason other than to shield LC

I can go back and look later, but at least when I previously reviewed after the fact it felt very much like the meta case gave pyxxy an “excuse” to self prez after defending LC for so much of the day. Like I weigh his weak reasoning for defending LC in the first place, and that he was trying very hard to vote anywhere but long con, but I still have no idea how he came to the conclusion that long con was “just busy”.

Maybe I am more empathetic because I had a similar progression, but I also just dont really expect long con to be so lacking in influence and availability due to randing wolf or town. So to me I also assumed the activity was NAI. And when presented with a situation thats similar but long con DID slank, it made it more believable that my initial NAI read may be wrong (even if it did only end up being chance)

[Duelist Mirage]

I agree with Spurs. No need to speculate about who has which town role.
I still think there's a decent chance of pyxxy being the Ice Cream Man based on Michelle's roleblock.

I think it's more likely that it got redirected to Trekkie, given that you were the only one silenced on D2. Odds do not seem high that you ended up targeted by both the silencer and Michelle, or the silencer and Michelle got redirected elsewhere and blocked someone.

But there's lots of possibilities. Including that it hit a townie who just hasn't said so. I'm not even sure that they should say so, does it really help us when there's so much else unknown? They might not have even been the intended target and in that case, letting mafia know that it went elsewhere might affect something like their kill targeting.

Who got redirected to Trekkie?

You're suggesting the Ice Cream Man could be pyxxy because we haven't seen a vanillaize action so he could have been trying to use that role and gotten blocked by Michelle. I'm saying that we also can't account for the lack of a second silencing from N1 and we KNOW that Silencer has to act, so there's actually a decent chance that the unaccounted for vanillaize action got directed to Trekkie and thus made his silencing action disappear.

[Porscha]

PIYO PIYO
I see Michelle targeted pyxxy N2. Can’t see any hint as to who she targeted N3 before dying, but seeing as there was only one kill and looks like everyone has checked in today (hence no silence) it’s prob a RB on someone not named pyxxy. Wish we could get a feel on who that was.


While I have you and the AO sign is on, why do we town read Jess again? I keep finding her towny based on votes and one or two posts she made relating to dead mafia but curious why everyone else does

Thats the same reasons for me lol. Also she went out her way to not push me early when she easily could have

[Porscha]

So the pyxxy thing

He was either lying abt not being roleblocked, or michelle was redirected

If Michelle was redirected, she didnt silence nor killed anyone so she roleblocked elsewhere

We know Michelle had to roleblock on N2 cause nobody died or was silenced

Is that all correct?

To be clear, we cannot verify that long con was never silenced. He didnt post or vote at all

[Porscha]

I guess there is a world where pyxxy wasnt role blocked and michelle got redirected to long con who got silenced

[gims]

Bc leetic was also being pushed by nicole so If that was a s^s interaction shed have to just go ahead and take a stance

While if leetic is town she is flat out bussing Nicole when she had options like leetic

Perhaps my kabuto is too tight upon my head but these words do not generate meaning to me. What is 'taking a stance' and why does nutella have to do it? How did she not do it already? How likely do you think it seemed that Nicole would be exiled from court that day based upon nutella's simple comments about leetic and Nicole there?

Nicole was pushing leetic

I think some ppl were pushing leetic on d1 as well, I voted there etc

Nutella had leetic as maybe mafia alongside Nicole

When leetics wagon picks up she is like "well how is that wagon so big, cant we just move to Nicole instead"

If leetic is mafia, thats not rly relevant to her alignment cause she is pushing onto a s^s dynamic

If leetic is town, she is being protown for shielding town and pushing mafia

[Tranq]

I agree with Spurs. No need to speculate about who has which town role.
I still think there's a decent chance of pyxxy being the Ice Cream Man based on Michelle's roleblock.

I think it's more likely that it got redirected to Trekkie, given that you were the only one silenced on D2. Odds do not seem high that you ended up targeted by both the silencer and Michelle, or the silencer and Michelle got redirected elsewhere and blocked someone.

But there's lots of possibilities. Including that it hit a townie who just hasn't said so. I'm not even sure that they should say so, does it really help us when there's so much else unknown? They might not have even been the intended target and in that case, letting mafia know that it went elsewhere might affect something like their kill targeting.

Who got redirected to Trekkie?

You're suggesting the Ice Cream Man could be pyxxy because we haven't seen a vanillaize action so he could have been trying to use that role and gotten blocked by Michelle. I'm saying that we also can't account for the lack of a second silencing from N1 and we KNOW that Silencer has to act, so there's actually a decent chance that the unaccounted for vanillaize action got directed to Trekkie and thus made his silencing action disappear.

Does it work like that though? Last game when i magikarped Golden on Night 1, he only lost the use of his role at the start of Day 2.
The Ice Cream Man somehow targetting Trekkie on Night 1 doesn't mean he wasn't able to Silence on Night 1.

[Porscha]

Though I am not sure my dō-maru is protection enough to undertake this, especially after all the damage it has already taken, I will ask gims:

I find it unlikely a wolf nutella says she's cool with
"wolf, town, wolf" suggestions? personally

Agreed

My nutella wolf case kinda required leetic to be scum

we've been clearing nutella on the back of her nicole push on d1, but if leetic is also scum, she was maybe protecting a partner while pushing another partner there

not unlikely and we shouldnt expect scum not to distance

How does this make sense? Why would nutella only push Nicole as a wolf if leetic is yet another wolf? I have already made a case to the contrary. If nutella is one of the treacherous wolves stalking the halls of the court, leetic is even more likely to be town. It's as simple as nutella starting a Nicole wagon with the hopes of it not actually being successful at going through on Nicole there.

Yeah my point is nutella is unlikely to day 1 make a pool of 3 with 2 wolf partners in it. Ergo if leetic is town, in that one specific instance, it would give nutella more wolf equity - not less

[Porscha]

I agree with Spurs. No need to speculate about who has which town role.
I still think there's a decent chance of pyxxy being the Ice Cream Man based on Michelle's roleblock.

I think it's more likely that it got redirected to Trekkie, given that you were the only one silenced on D2. Odds do not seem high that you ended up targeted by both the silencer and Michelle, or the silencer and Michelle got redirected elsewhere and blocked someone.

But there's lots of possibilities. Including that it hit a townie who just hasn't said so. I'm not even sure that they should say so, does it really help us when there's so much else unknown? They might not have even been the intended target and in that case, letting mafia know that it went elsewhere might affect something like their kill targeting.

TBF if it was a roleblock specifically - someone may not be aware depending on their role

[Duelist Mirage]

So the pyxxy thing

He was either lying abt not being roleblocked, or michelle was redirected

If Michelle was redirected, she didnt silence nor killed anyone so she roleblocked elsewhere

We know Michelle had to roleblock on N2 cause nobody died or was silenced

Is that all correct?

To be clear, we cannot verify that long con was never silenced. He didnt post or vote at all

I wonder if that was intentional to give possible cover for where Michelle's action went? Like probably not but if he was really low activity anyway maybe he just sorta doesn't bother and considers that a possible fringe benefit? Eh

[gims]

@jess @nutella @Scotty tell me where to vote

Fine with any of nicole/vivax/leetic I think

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

Or this idk

Huh when did the leetic wagon get so big

Maybe I'm not comfortable with that

@gims I would prefer going back to nicole over leetic tbh

@Porscha notice how this only really looks clearing for nutella when leetic is town

when leetic is mafia, she was soft defending him a bit before (particularly FROM nicole) and her three people options gave her a 4th which was epig

so. context.

[gims]

tbc i do not think nutella is a wolf

[Tranq]

I guess there is a world where pyxxy wasnt role blocked and michelle got redirected to long con who got silenced

In that world i feel like someone should've said they have been Ice Creamed by now. Or the Ice Cream Man hasn't decided to use their power yet. I guess this is possible.

[gims]

I guess there is a world where pyxxy wasnt role blocked and michelle got redirected to long con who got silenced

In that world i feel like someone should've said they have been Ice Creamed by now. Or the Ice Cream Man hasn't decided to use their power yet. I guess this is possible.

its a one shot so it couldve been used on n1 by someone who is now a dead townie or smt

[gims]

well tbh

if im on a 5 player scumteam im using ice cream on n1, particularly if my slot looks flippable, so its not farfetched that this happened

[gims]

and then town has TWO redirects which might have given ice cream to another mafia

[Duelist Mirage]

Nicole was pushing leetic

I think some ppl were pushing leetic on d1 as well, I voted there etc

Nutella had leetic as maybe mafia alongside Nicole

When leetics wagon picks up she is like "well how is that wagon so big, cant we just move to Nicole instead"

If leetic is mafia, thats not rly relevant to her alignment cause she is pushing onto a s^s dynamic

If leetic is town, she is being protown for shielding town and pushing mafia

I don't think I'd really say Nicole was "pushing leetic", she made like one comment about not liking a post then said she could vote there but didn't do so for no discernable reason, then made an invalid show of voting leetic at EoD.

"being protown" is not a thing that makes people definitively not mafia ever, like I said, does nutella actually expect Nicole to go over from her comment saying "hey I'd prefer going back to Nicole"? She isn't even the one who actually voted first. Nicole was probably not expected to be endgaming, why would nutella definitely not take a chance to do some distancing there, with it seeming reasonably likely that leetic goes over D1? Is it the most likely thing to do? Probably not, but I don't find it absurd to even think about.

[GoSpursGo]

@Tranq curious what you make of pyxxy’s claim here:

It would be really nice to know if LC is silenced or not as it clarifies if pyxxy or someone else may have been roleblocked

It's a lie? What else is a roleblocked mafia going to say?

It was my original interpretation as well, but I’m realizing he could have been saying something else specific. If they were, they’re probably town but it’s not something verifiable

I’m more of a donkey Kong than Funky Kong. It’s why when these discussions turn to mech I defer to others more suited to solving that.

[Duelist Mirage]

and then town has TWO redirects which might have given ice cream to another mafia

Or even the bus driver could cause that, they don't know where their targets are going to be targeting

[GoSpursGo]

I wonder if I’ve roleplayed 10 times yet. I am but a simple man, like Mario, I just want to do good and have good outcomes for the good guys

[gims]

I don't think I'd really say Nicole was "pushing leetic", she made like one comment about not liking a post then said she could vote there but didn't do so for no discernable reason, then made an invalid show of voting leetic at EoD.

"being protown" is not a thing that makes people definitively not mafia ever, like I said, does nutella actually expect Nicole to go over from her comment saying "hey I'd prefer going back to Nicole"? She isn't even the one who actually voted first. Nicole was probably not expected to be endgaming, why would nutella definitely not take a chance to do some distancing there, with it seeming reasonably likely that leetic goes over D1? Is it the most likely thing to do? Probably not, but I don't find it absurd to even think about.

nicole had like a single push on d1 and it was leetic

nutella should expect nicole to perhaps go over when I'm literally asking her 'so who are we voting' and she eventually shields leetic and says thats who she wants instead. I mean, thats what happened in the end.

nutella had no reason to keep shielding leetic nor reason to fuel nicole unless she was using that for leverage later on, and considering nutella is playing like a potato throughout to the point people suspect her, I don't know that I see that as a ploy

again I don't think nutella is scum either way but I see more worlds where she is scum if leetic/nicole were already trying distancing plays. when leetic is town, I think she was just town and having correct leans.

[gims]

and then town has TWO redirects which might have given ice cream to another mafia

Or even the bus driver could cause that, they don't know where their targets are going to be targeting

right

so yeah this will lead to a dead end re: pyxxy but I'll still flip pyxxy as my POE is pretty tight and other than leetic I have no good ideas

[GoSpursGo]

Btw, this week is one of the weeks where I’m in the hospital rather than the lab. So I’ll do my best like Slippy Toad to serve in a supporting role, but I look to gims and DM to be the Star Fox and Falco in this scenario

[Porscha]

@jess @nutella @Scotty tell me where to vote

Fine with any of nicole/vivax/leetic I think

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

Or this idk

Huh when did the leetic wagon get so big

Maybe I'm not comfortable with that

@gims I would prefer going back to nicole over leetic tbh

@Porscha notice how this only really looks clearing for nutella when leetic is town

when leetic is mafia, she was soft defending him a bit before (particularly FROM nicole) and her three people options gave her a 4th which was epig

so. context.

Idk i guess. Just sounds like a lot of unnecessary wolf on wolf violence for a day 1