WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[gims]

(for context the reason why it doesnt feel like a bus is because leetic's language around pyxy feels cautious/waver-y and if he was going to bus his partner then i feel like he might sound more confident or decisive to reap to reap any possible towncred from it)

also the reason why i voted epi just now is bcuz if the consensus POE is leetic/epi/pyxy and i dont think that leetic and pyxy are wolves then it stands to reason that A. epi is mafia or b. the consensus POE is misclearing someone so it feels like a fruitful vote in either case

That does make sense I might change later

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo bows to the oldest man in the world @Golden

[VOTE: scotty ] aubergine

[Duelist Mirage]

Sorry I've been gone most of the day.

Are you like confident that pyxxy is not scum, or you just think that Epi is the more likely hit?

Well... Uh... Neither really, I'm currently got a working theory that isn't consensus at all and I don't really know how to approach it here, I feel like I should at least do more ISO diving but we're really short on time

[GoSpursGo]

This is leetic bussing his team mates

Every single one of leetic's vote on mafia is shaped like this lol

(Maybe thats why)

I am starting to wonder if the days where gims and I could work together well to hunt wolves were just a figment of my imagination, desperately trying to find some scrap of camaraderie in a world otherwise empty of all but the honor of my blade.

My country is losing to US backed fascists, today was the national election, so maybe thats why i simply dont understand what youre saying here

Which country is that, gims? If you don't mind me asking?

I do like the pace of 48 hour days making it so you don't have to be on here all the time, but as the game drags on it sure does lead to some burnout where I feel like we've been circling the same POE over and over again.

[gims]

This is leetic bussing his team mates

Every single one of leetic's vote on mafia is shaped like this lol

(Maybe thats why)

I am starting to wonder if the days where gims and I could work together well to hunt wolves were just a figment of my imagination, desperately trying to find some scrap of camaraderie in a world otherwise empty of all but the honor of my blade.

My country is losing to US backed fascists, today was the national election, so maybe thats why i simply dont understand what youre saying here

Which country is that, gims? If you don't mind me asking?

I do like the pace of 48 hour days making it so you don't have to be on here all the time, but as the game drags on it sure does lead to some burnout where I feel like we've been circling the same POE over and over again.

Brazil

[Epignosis]

(for context the reason why it doesnt feel like a bus is because leetic's language around pyxy feels cautious/waver-y and if he was going to bus his partner then i feel like he might sound more confident or decisive to reap to reap any possible towncred from it)

also the reason why i voted epi just now is bcuz if the consensus POE is leetic/epi/pyxy and i dont think that leetic and pyxy are wolves then it stands to reason that A. epi is mafia or b. the consensus POE is misclearing someone so it feels like a fruitful vote in either case

I recommend a refresher course in logic.

[gims]

There was a Brazilian on this site but I havent seen him in a while

[gims]

The reason why I dont think its epig is because he is being incredibly cryptic and people I Trust (Nutella mostly I think) are going "ye he is town"

[Duelist Mirage]

*cries*

48 hour days means I do have to be on here all the time!

Okay then, help me out here: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... start=2400

Read this page and tell me if it affects anything you think about this game

[Epignosis]

There was a Brazilian on this site but I havent seen him in a while

Dragon D. Luffy is my prisoner! I have entrapped him in this robot made of ceiling fans and nothing more!

I call him ONLYFANS.

[gims]

Okay do you think Nutella is scum then?

[GoSpursGo]

Sorry I've been gone most of the day.

Are you like confident that pyxxy is not scum, or you just think that Epi is the more likely hit?

Well... Uh... Neither really, I'm currently got a working theory that isn't consensus at all and I don't really know how to approach it here, I feel like I should at least do more ISO diving but we're really short on time

I mean you can go for it. I feel like you're solidly town, and people shouldn't get their heads bitten off for speaking their mind.

I'm not ready to go after nutella until we have a few wrong flips, if that is part of your idea, but I'll listen. Would want to know who you are pairing her with, in case that person is in range.

However, I will also say--at this point after so much discussion on pyxxy, while I'm gonna look at Epi again, I think there has been sufficient discussion of pyxxy that we're going to learn a fair amount from a miselim of that slot. So given that I also think pyxxy is >rand scum, I'm increasingly feeling like that's the move today

[GoSpursGo]

This is leetic bussing his team mates

Every single one of leetic's vote on mafia is shaped like this lol

(Maybe thats why)

I am starting to wonder if the days where gims and I could work together well to hunt wolves were just a figment of my imagination, desperately trying to find some scrap of camaraderie in a world otherwise empty of all but the honor of my blade.

My country is losing to US backed fascists, today was the national election, so maybe thats why i simply dont understand what youre saying here

Which country is that, gims? If you don't mind me asking?

I do like the pace of 48 hour days making it so you don't have to be on here all the time, but as the game drags on it sure does lead to some burnout where I feel like we've been circling the same POE over and over again.

Brazil

I'm sorry. That's miserable (the fascists, not your country obviously)

[Epignosis]

Okay do you think Nutella is scum then?

If you're asking me, I calculate that as a 12.9% chance.

[jess]

(for context the reason why it doesnt feel like a bus is because leetic's language around pyxy feels cautious/waver-y and if he was going to bus his partner then i feel like he might sound more confident or decisive to reap to reap any possible towncred from it)

also the reason why i voted epi just now is bcuz if the consensus POE is leetic/epi/pyxy and i dont think that leetic and pyxy are wolves then it stands to reason that A. epi is mafia or b. the consensus POE is misclearing someone so it feels like a fruitful vote in either case

I recommend a refresher course in logic.

an d what's the issue with my logic there?

[GoSpursGo]

*cries*

48 hour days means I do have to be on here all the time!

Okay then, help me out here: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... start=2400

Read this page and tell me if it affects anything you think about this game

I'm going to need some context. Who am I focusing on and what was their alignment in this game

[jess]

seems like a really bad ad-hom reaction tbh

[jess]

Sorry I've been gone most of the day.

Are you like confident that pyxxy is not scum, or you just think that Epi is the more likely hit?

Well... Uh... Neither really, I'm currently got a working theory that isn't consensus at all and I don't really know how to approach it here, I feel like I should at least do more ISO diving but we're really short on time

im open to hearing the non-consensus theory

[gims]

DM is trying to say Nutella is scum cause her towngame is obvious and very different from this

I think

[gims]

Nutella's ISO is crap and not towny

[Epignosis]

(for context the reason why it doesnt feel like a bus is because leetic's language around pyxy feels cautious/waver-y and if he was going to bus his partner then i feel like he might sound more confident or decisive to reap to reap any possible towncred from it)

also the reason why i voted epi just now is bcuz if the consensus POE is leetic/epi/pyxy and i dont think that leetic and pyxy are wolves then it stands to reason that A. epi is mafia or b. the consensus POE is misclearing someone so it feels like a fruitful vote in either case

I recommend a refresher course in logic.

an d what's the issue with my logic there?

"If the consensus" is a three-way take right away. NONE of those have to be right. You do indicate that in B, but you immediately discard B altogether to justify A.

seems like a really bad ad-hom reaction tbh

Nothing personal. I am, after all, an "evil" scientist.

[Duelist Mirage]

Okay do you think Nutella is scum then?

That is what I'm thinking now yes

Does she really feel like she has in the other games to you? I've been a little underwhelmed all game and my opinion keeps sagging but I randomly stumbled into that page and got smacked in the face with what a stark contrast there is between how she feels there and how she feels here. She's describing her wolf meta and it feels like what I feel about her play this game. She's trying to dig into Eskanta and get her to explain her read because she CARES about trying to get explanations and thinks players should be able to explain things, whereas here she's just dropping things like "it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

[jess]

i would actually agree that nutella is not as obviously town as she usually is, but i think this is a unique gamestate where a lot of people have been on autopilot to some degree (myself included0, which means that i cant really judge this game by a usual standard

when i look at nut's posts then i think her push on nicole on d1 at a pivotal moment.+ her paranoia about me are town indicative for her, and also i have the general sense that she might be more stilted/uncomfy in the thread if she was in fact a wolf

[gims]

Okay do you think Nutella is scum then?

That is what I'm thinking now yes

Does she really feel like she has in the other games to you? I've been a little underwhelmed all game and my opinion keeps sagging but I randomly stumbled into that page and got smacked in the face with what a stark contrast there is between how she feels there and how she feels here. She's describing her wolf meta and it feels like what I feel about her play this game. She's trying to dig into Eskanta and get her to explain her read because she CARES about trying to get explanations and thinks players should be able to explain things, whereas here she's just dropping things like "it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

Ill vote Nutella with you under the condition that, on a scum flip, you fall in line with jedi plan

[Epignosis]

"it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

We're not spelling it out.

nutella could have played dumb, but she didn't.

[GoSpursGo]

i would actually agree that nutella is not as obviously town as she usually is, but i think this is a unique gamestate where a lot of people have been on autopilot to some degree (myself included0, which means that i cant really judge this game by a usual standard

when i look at nut's posts then i think her push on nicole on d1 at a pivotal moment.+ her paranoia about me are town indicative for her, and also i have the general sense that she might be more stilted/uncomfy in the thread if she was in fact a wolf

I 100% agree with this take.

I see what you're saying, DM, but you're pointing to a page on night 1. We are on day 4 with 3 consecutive mafia flips, and a relatively tight consensus POE. Even I, a noted high poster, have struggled to keep up my attention today.

Do you have any examples of nutella hard-bussing a packmate on day 1 when they had no votes already on them? Because while I know that is like 2 weeks ago at this point IRL... it's the sort of thing I consider clearing until we have at least a couple of miselims that make me reconsider my worldview.

[GoSpursGo]

Okay do you think Nutella is scum then?

That is what I'm thinking now yes

Does she really feel like she has in the other games to you? I've been a little underwhelmed all game and my opinion keeps sagging but I randomly stumbled into that page and got smacked in the face with what a stark contrast there is between how she feels there and how she feels here. She's describing her wolf meta and it feels like what I feel about her play this game. She's trying to dig into Eskanta and get her to explain her read because she CARES about trying to get explanations and thinks players should be able to explain things, whereas here she's just dropping things like "it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

Ill vote Nutella with you under the condition that, on a scum flip, you fall in line with jedi plan

I am stating unequivocally that I'm not doing this. I don't control your votes or anyone else's, but there is a 0% chance I'm voting nutella until we flip a couple of towns.

DM, can you tell me who you're pairing her with? I could consider moving to someone other than pyxxy, but nut isn't one of them.

[gims]

We can assume that epig is mechanically clear btw

[gims]

Unless we think epig and Nutella are a team

[jess]

(for context the reason why it doesnt feel like a bus is because leetic's language around pyxy feels cautious/waver-y and if he was going to bus his partner then i feel like he might sound more confident or decisive to reap to reap any possible towncred from it)

also the reason why i voted epi just now is bcuz if the consensus POE is leetic/epi/pyxy and i dont think that leetic and pyxy are wolves then it stands to reason that A. epi is mafia or b. the consensus POE is misclearing someone so it feels like a fruitful vote in either case

I recommend a refresher course in logic.

an d what's the issue with my logic there?

"If the consensus" is a three-way take right away. NONE of those have to be right. You do indicate that in B, but you immediately discard B altogether to justify A.

seems like a really bad ad-hom reaction tbh

well as a mad & evil scientist myself, i'm saying that if the consensus POE is correct, then you have to be mafia, since i don't think the other two folks in the consensus POE are mafia with each other

that being said im actually going to unvote you right now for reasons
Nothing personal. I am, after all, an "evil" scientist.

[Duelist Mirage]

i would actually agree that nutella is not as obviously town as she usually is, but i think this is a unique gamestate where a lot of people have been on autopilot to some degree (myself included0, which means that i cant really judge this game by a usual standard

when i look at nut's posts then i think her push on nicole on d1 at a pivotal moment.+ her paranoia about me are town indicative for her, and also i have the general sense that she might be more stilted/uncomfy in the thread if she was in fact a wolf

Her entire ISO is autopilot and stilted

Look, there's basically not a single post that's over three lines, the only one that is that long is because she's responding to multiple quotes in it

Why would she be so checked out at the start of the game before it looked easy?

[jess]

i messed up that quote but i just reached the same conclusion as gims yea

[Epignosis]

i messed up that quote but i just reached the same conclusion as gims yea

Why do you think pyxxy is good?

[GoSpursGo]

Rondo bows to the oldest man in the world @Golden

[VOTE: scotty ] aubergine

you have not met Spurs, so you don't realize how old I am

[GoSpursGo]

i would actually agree that nutella is not as obviously town as she usually is, but i think this is a unique gamestate where a lot of people have been on autopilot to some degree (myself included0, which means that i cant really judge this game by a usual standard

when i look at nut's posts then i think her push on nicole on d1 at a pivotal moment.+ her paranoia about me are town indicative for her, and also i have the general sense that she might be more stilted/uncomfy in the thread if she was in fact a wolf

Her entire ISO is autopilot and stilted

Look, there's basically not a single post that's over three lines, the only one that is that long is because she's responding to multiple quotes in it

Why would she be so checked out at the start of the game before it looked easy?

Can you please walk me through who you are pairing her with, and if she has a history of hard-bussing as a scum?

[Duelist Mirage]

"it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

We're not spelling it out.

nutella could have played dumb, but she didn't.

I have zero idea what you're talking about but if there's something that's supposed to be obvious to you guys then why would she expect to get away with faking ignorance? She says herself that she's not good at faking pushes

[GoSpursGo]

We can assume that epig is mechanically clear btw

huh

I assume you're not gonna expound on this, but ok

[jess]

i messed up that quote but i just reached the same conclusion as gims yea

Why do you think pyxxy is good?

i don't, i think there's a pretty decent chance that he's mafia. i also have a really dumb theory about him being mafia specifically with drwilgy that i sort of believe

[gims]

I think it can easily be leetic and nutella btw

[GoSpursGo]

"it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

We're not spelling it out.

nutella could have played dumb, but she didn't.

I have zero idea what you're talking about but if there's something that's supposed to be obvious to you guys then why would she expect to get away with faking ignorance? She says herself that she's not good at faking pushes

There are exactly two reasons in this world where I could imagine nutella would say this about Epi as confidently as she did

[gims]

We should probably not ask and just roll with it

[GoSpursGo]

"it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

We're not spelling it out.

nutella could have played dumb, but she didn't.

I have zero idea what you're talking about but if there's something that's supposed to be obvious to you guys then why would she expect to get away with faking ignorance? She says herself that she's not good at faking pushes

There are exactly two reasons in this world where I could imagine nutella would say this about Epi as confidently as she did

Three actually

[gims]

I think it can easily be leetic and nutella btw

I think jess makes a good point abt leetic being too soft now voting pyxxy to be paired

On a pyxxy townflip I think I tunnel leetic

[GoSpursGo]

"it's not Epi" and not explaining even though I asked!

We're not spelling it out.

nutella could have played dumb, but she didn't.

I have zero idea what you're talking about but if there's something that's supposed to be obvious to you guys then why would she expect to get away with faking ignorance? She says herself that she's not good at faking pushes

There are exactly two reasons in this world where I could imagine nutella would say this about Epi as confidently as she did

Three actually

Maybe 5 lol

Anyways, I'm not gonna think much harder about this. nutella has a pelt and we have started the game flipping 3 towns. I'm not flipping a pelt holding player out of paranoia until the game gets hard, but I heartily encourage discussion of weird theories because who knows what will be useful days from now

[gims]

Nutella doesnt have a pelt

When she started sussing nicole it was after I was voting and sitting on that wagon

She then kept that read which is fine, but she was voting epig before and she was also shielding leetic who can easily be scum

[Duelist Mirage]

i would actually agree that nutella is not as obviously town as she usually is, but i think this is a unique gamestate where a lot of people have been on autopilot to some degree (myself included0, which means that i cant really judge this game by a usual standard

when i look at nut's posts then i think her push on nicole on d1 at a pivotal moment.+ her paranoia about me are town indicative for her, and also i have the general sense that she might be more stilted/uncomfy in the thread if she was in fact a wolf

Her entire ISO is autopilot and stilted

Look, there's basically not a single post that's over three lines, the only one that is that long is because she's responding to multiple quotes in it

Why would she be so checked out at the start of the game before it looked easy?

Can you please walk me through who you are pairing her with, and if she has a history of hard-bussing as a scum?

I don't know her history, I've been here for 5 months, but does this not sound like someone who's going to end up doing a lot of bussing?

what inherently changes between being town and mafia, fearing being found?

How you win, and the wincon you need to move towards, and what you do to do that, is the astonishingly clear answer, I would say. Yet you don't even mention it. It's the difference, no?

Yeah that (needing to fake suspicion on towns to get them eliminated) and having TMI, which like I said makes it difficult to fake such reads.

It could be pyxxy still as the other though I'm rather doubtful, it could explain the gamestate; but even if that's true there's a wolf who's getting townread and nutella fits the bill really nicely imo. If it's not pyxxy I'd look at Dubz the hardest the way I'm thinking right now, everyone else manages to give me townpings sometimes and I barely remember anything Dubz has said but her MO of doing basically nothing except for putting together a string of posting on D2 to lift herself out of the immediate POE is not good. I have not reviewed her ISO here or in her other game at this point to see if that changes how I feel about this, I'm going purely off gut here.

[gims]

[VOTE: Nicole ] aubergine

Imma sit on this nicole wagon, just not feeling her this game unfortunately

@nutella where u at

I guess I agree with Nicole that leetic post is not great

sorry i wont really be available to play until tomorrow (real-life time). the mafia better start quaking in their boots bcuz once im free it's gonna be sooooo over for them

Admittedly, this post doesn't look good either. Just say you'll be unavailable, no need to LARP about how the wolves would totally be destroyed right now if you were around

Disagree, that kind of statement is +town

Its neutral but I don't feel great about leetic going after it.

weird chain

think i don't like this from nicole

pondering

@nutella where u at

sup

I guess I agree with Nicole that leetic post is not great

lol

i think it's p standard leetic

[VOTE: nicole] aubergine

[VOTE: Nicole] aubergine

weeeee (s‘me)
skeeeee (s‘Nicole(

foglands nom nom nom.
Certified silly drunk post (checkmarked)

[RondoDimBuckle]

you know what. Fuck it, go with the herd when in doubt

bow to the old man [VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

[GoSpursGo]

i would actually agree that nutella is not as obviously town as she usually is, but i think this is a unique gamestate where a lot of people have been on autopilot to some degree (myself included0, which means that i cant really judge this game by a usual standard

when i look at nut's posts then i think her push on nicole on d1 at a pivotal moment.+ her paranoia about me are town indicative for her, and also i have the general sense that she might be more stilted/uncomfy in the thread if she was in fact a wolf

Her entire ISO is autopilot and stilted

Look, there's basically not a single post that's over three lines, the only one that is that long is because she's responding to multiple quotes in it

Why would she be so checked out at the start of the game before it looked easy?

Can you please walk me through who you are pairing her with, and if she has a history of hard-bussing as a scum?

I don't know her history, I've been here for 5 months, but does this not sound like someone who's going to end up doing a lot of bussing?

I'm sorry, that's gonna be a tough case for me then. Because I personally would never in a million years beg twice for a packmate's wagon to come back. Like... once is enough for the distancing.

what inherently changes between being town and mafia, fearing being found?

How you win, and the wincon you need to move towards, and what you do to do that, is the astonishingly clear answer, I would say. Yet you don't even mention it. It's the difference, no?

Yeah that (needing to fake suspicion on towns to get them eliminated) and having TMI, which like I said makes it difficult to fake such reads.

It could be pyxxy still as the other though I'm rather doubtful, it could explain the gamestate; but even if that's true there's a wolf who's getting townread and nutella fits the bill really nicely imo. If it's not pyxxy I'd look at Dubz the hardest the way I'm thinking right now, everyone else manages to give me townpings sometimes and I barely remember anything Dubz has said but her MO of doing basically nothing except for putting together a string of posting on D2 to lift herself out of the immediate POE is not good. I have not reviewed her ISO here or in her other game at this point to see if that changes how I feel about this, I'm going purely off gut here.

I'd look at dubz long before I'd look at nutella right now. It doesn't fit with what I know of w!dubz, but d1 nutella is basically never a wolf unless someone can demonstrate to me that she is a hard-busser.

[gims]

I'd look at dubz long before I'd look at nutella right now. It doesn't fit with what I know of w!dubz, but d1 nutella is basically never a wolf unless someone can demonstrate to me that she is a hard-busser.

if t!pyxxy and w!leetic, do re-eval