WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[jess]

Nutella doesnt have a pelt

When she started sussing nicole it was after I was voting and sitting on that wagon

She then kept that read which is fine, but she was voting epig before and she was also shielding leetic who can easily be scum

imo nutela specifically being like "does anyone wanna switch back to nicole?" toward the end of d1 is a pretty big part of what steered the momentum into nicole dying

so i dont think it's true that she doesnt have any pelts

[GoSpursGo]

[VOTE: Nicole ] aubergine

Imma sit on this nicole wagon, just not feeling her this game unfortunately

@nutella where u at

I guess I agree with Nicole that leetic post is not great

sorry i wont really be available to play until tomorrow (real-life time). the mafia better start quaking in their boots bcuz once im free it's gonna be sooooo over for them

Admittedly, this post doesn't look good either. Just say you'll be unavailable, no need to LARP about how the wolves would totally be destroyed right now if you were around

Disagree, that kind of statement is +town

Its neutral but I don't feel great about leetic going after it.

weird chain

think i don't like this from nicole

pondering

@nutella where u at

sup

I guess I agree with Nicole that leetic post is not great

lol

i think it's p standard leetic

[VOTE: nicole] aubergine

[VOTE: Nicole] aubergine

weeeee (s‘me)
skeeeee (s‘Nicole(

foglands nom nom nom.
Certified silly drunk post (checkmarked)

Why did you quote the vivax post?

But like... OK, I see you were first on the nicole wagon, which then disassembled. Why would nutella beg for it to come back, twice? She could just hold the read without actually going out of her way to try and make a push

[Duelist Mirage]

I'd look at dubz long before I'd look at nutella right now. It doesn't fit with what I know of w!dubz, but d1 nutella is basically never a wolf unless someone can demonstrate to me that she is a hard-busser.

This is the part where you focus a lot on wagon movements and not much on how people actually interact with the game at large, huh?

[jess]

and tr nutella is definitely capable of bussing, but it's sort of an occams razor thing to me where the push looks towny at a base level and i dont see a reason to overcomplicate it, especially when the game has proven to be easy so far

[gims]

But like... OK, I see you were first on the nicole wagon, which then disassembled. Why would nutella beg for it to come back, twice? She could just hold the read without actually going out of her way to try and make a push

leetic was gaining momentum

I don't wanna repeat myself so this is the last time

nutella makes sense as scum if leetic is scum

[gims]

if leetic is scum's bus driver for instance then you do lose the rings before the fingers there

I'd bus nicole to oblivion to save a more important team mate

[gims]

Why did you quote the vivax post?

pretty much to show nicole's slot was ALWAYS hot potato in the game, from the very beginning

[nutella]

We can assume that epig is mechanically clear btw

huh

I assume you're not gonna expound on this, but ok

it is very obvious if you read his posts from today i am not answering any more questions about this

[nutella]

Nutella doesnt have a pelt

When she started sussing nicole it was after I was voting and sitting on that wagon

She then kept that read which is fine, but she was voting epig before and she was also shielding leetic who can easily be scum

there were no votes on nicole when spurs and i got the wagon started again

[nutella]

i recognize i havent been very towny but i do believe i can claim that pelt

[Dubz]

arises from the depths once more and looks at the tally
Rawr and such

Hey yo @GoSpursGo did you change your mind about epig? I remember you being pretty convinced that slot was scum earlier on.

Sumimasen... I keep forgetting you exist in spite of that lizard scale armor you wear about the court. What brings you here to express such curiosity about this read of Epignosis?

I also keep forgetting I exist, while I nap in the sea

As I said, just noted when I was looking at the tally. The only time I remember thinking about epi much was when Spurs asked me to give my thoughts earlier on.

[nutella]

i kind of feel like pyxxy will flip town here but i don't feel confident going anywhere else first idk i hate saying we need a flip but it feels that way

but i wouldnt be surprised by jess/leetic/rondo containing wolves

[gims]

Nutella doesnt have a pelt

When she started sussing nicole it was after I was voting and sitting on that wagon

She then kept that read which is fine, but she was voting epig before and she was also shielding leetic who can easily be scum

there were no votes on nicole when spurs and i got the wagon started again

you were saying nicole/leetic/vivax

you voted epig

when leetic, one of your suspicions, started getting heat, you started feeling uncomfortable about it

then you went back to nicole, a slot that other people, earlier, and before you, were already sussing

thats not having a pelt and if leetic is scum thats not anything clearing at all

[Duelist Mirage]

i recognize i havent been very towny but i do believe i can claim that pelt

Why should we believe in you being town?

[gims]

i kind of feel like pyxxy will flip town here but i don't feel confident going anywhere else first idk i hate saying we need a flip but it feels that way

but i wouldnt be surprised by jess/leetic/rondo containing wolves

why?

[gims]

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

[nutella]

Nutella doesnt have a pelt

When she started sussing nicole it was after I was voting and sitting on that wagon

She then kept that read which is fine, but she was voting epig before and she was also shielding leetic who can easily be scum

there were no votes on nicole when spurs and i got the wagon started again

you were saying nicole/leetic/vivax

you voted epig

when leetic, one of your suspicions, started getting heat, you started feeling uncomfortable about it

then you went back to nicole, a slot that other people, earlier, and before you, were already sussing

thats not having a pelt and if leetic is scum thats not anything clearing at all

i was alarmed by how quickly the leetic wagon grew and it felt like nicole was being saved

sure it looks rougher for me if leetic is wolf, tell you what you can flip me if leetic flips wolf idc

[GoSpursGo]

I'd look at dubz long before I'd look at nutella right now. It doesn't fit with what I know of w!dubz, but d1 nutella is basically never a wolf unless someone can demonstrate to me that she is a hard-busser.

This is the part where you focus a lot on wagon movements and not much on how people actually interact with the game at large, huh?

Yes And also because I am specifically the most reluctant busser in the entire world. I always lose as scum because I fail to bus early enough for cred and/or pair myself with packmates who go down before me. So I literally cannot fathom just murdering Nicole for no reason on d1 and then not even using the resultant cred to powerwolf the hell out of the thread. To me this reads as a towny who got a pelt and keeps seeing the town flip scum, so there's no reason to work too hard.

I guess my question to you is, why can't we just work on our current POE, and if we have a misflip or two we get to see if v!nutella reveals herself? Surely she would become readable in a threadstate where we would actually need her.

[gims]

anyway gn friends

[nutella]

i literally do not have the energy to try hard in this game and it is going so well we have the space for mistakes so like whatever but it is really funny that i went from prime n1 kill target to prime misyeet candidate

[nutella]

just flip leetic/rondo next and if game doesnt end gl

[nutella]

inb4 it's just another scotty or tranq snow game

[Dubz]

arises from the depths once more and looks at the tally
Rawr and such

Hey yo @GoSpursGo did you change your mind about epig? I remember you being pretty convinced that slot was scum earlier on.

@Dubz not really. I've kind of been at pyxxy/epig/leetic all day long. I'm kind of stuck on how pyxxy was defending long con most of the last cycle, Trek defended pyxxy on day 2, and overall pyxxy has yet to vote a wolf.

But like I'm not opposed to epi, nor really leetic. I just haven't had as much time as in previous cycles to really dig into the wagons. So there's a decent chance I'll be the Luigi to gims's Mario and just follow their lead.

Do you have any opinions?

Ah I see

Re: my opinions...no, not really. I'm going to see if I can form any before I fall asleep.

But was planning to sheep you in the meantime. It's a little known fact that kaiju are herd animals, even in reptilian and amphibian forms.

And to be clear, I am a very, very large salamander. NOT a lizard. Never a lizard.

[nutella]

why was vivax nightkilled btw

[gims]

nutella sounds exactly like scum ausuka and I'd love to pursue it but I remember DM is the main pusher of that and doesn't want to 'press X to win' when we get another scum flip so

i'm staying on leetic if that picks up, I think leetic/pyxxy might be kind of a difference check

[gims]

why was vivax nightkilled btw

main leetic susser

[GoSpursGo]

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

[nutella]

i recognize i havent been very towny but i do believe i can claim that pelt

Why should we believe in you being town?

i caught a mafia d1 and then stopped trying bc everyone else was solving the game for me and i have very low investment

it's very funny that i could have been the n1 kill target and now this is happening the mafia are probably enjoying that but w/e

normally i would push back more against the sus on me as either alignment but this game is just weird and im not worried

[nutella]

i kind of feel like pyxxy will flip town here but i don't feel confident going anywhere else first idk i hate saying we need a flip but it feels that way

but i wouldnt be surprised by jess/leetic/rondo containing wolves

why?

just a vibe i get

but the majority was right on trekkie so i go with the flow until it's wrong lol

[GoSpursGo]

I'm willing to vote leetic today as I've felt them be wolfy all game, and they've mostly still fought against the scum that flipped.

Nevertheless, if leetic is flipped, I demand that pyxxy be next if I'm dead after the next night

[nutella]

why was vivax nightkilled btw

main leetic susser

oh right ppl did say that

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

[GoSpursGo]

@Duelist Mirage what is your read on leetic?

[Dubz]

To the "old" man, whoever you may be

I have never bowed to anyone in my eons of existence, for how can a creature so ancient call any human old, or regard any human as master?

However, I will make this one exception I suppose, and now to you, sensei

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

[jess]

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

[nutella]

like it's absolutely not usual for me to post like i have been posting this game as town, i freely admit that

and i think as mafia i would be more self conscious and less open about that and try to disguise it more

this is just a strange game and a strange circumstance for me personally in my lack of enthusiasm

[nutella]

i dont remember my timing on the lc wagon exactly but i think it was a pretty good turnaround from me there as well all things considered

[jess]

and i think as mafia i would be more self conscious and less open about that and try to disguise it more

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this is essentially the reason why i think u b eing low effort/disengaged is probably towny for u in the specific context of this game

[Dubz]

THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY BOW


GRRRRAAAWWRRRR

[jess]

for posterity i actually think that the argument for pyxy being mafia is stronger than the argument for leetic being mafia but im just riding the wave

[Dubz]

Why, as I'm reading backwards, are DM and gims acting like nutella isn't one of the clearest people here lmao

As far as I can tell the game is not off the rails enough for us to be poking at people who should be in the towncore, unless I missed something major

SKREEEE— ahem. Legally distinct rawr.

[GoSpursGo]

and i think as mafia i would be more self conscious and less open about that and try to disguise it more

]

this is essentially the reason why i think u b eing low effort/disengaged is probably towny for u in the specific context of this game

+1

FWIW, I have a hard time believing w!Jess is specifically pushing back against expanding the POE here.

[Dubz]

I'd look at dubz long before I'd look at nutella right now. It doesn't fit with what I know of w!dubz, but d1 nutella is basically never a wolf unless someone can demonstrate to me that she is a hard-busser.

This is the part where you focus a lot on wagon movements and not much on how people actually interact with the game at large, huh?

Yes And also because I am specifically the most reluctant busser in the entire world. I always lose as scum because I fail to bus early enough for cred and/or pair myself with packmates who go down before me. So I literally cannot fathom just murdering Nicole for no reason on d1 and then not even using the resultant cred to powerwolf the hell out of the thread. To me this reads as a towny who got a pelt and keeps seeing the town flip scum, so there's no reason to work too hard.

I guess my question to you is, why can't we just work on our current POE, and if we have a misflip or two we get to see if v!nutella reveals herself? Surely she would become readable in a threadstate where we would actually need her.

wiggles giant salamander toes in agreement

[RondoDimBuckle]

just flip leetic/rondo next and if game doesnt end gl

game wont end

[nutella]

and i think as mafia i would be more self conscious and less open about that and try to disguise it more

]

this is essentially the reason why i think u b eing low effort/disengaged is probably towny for u in the specific context of this game

+1

FWIW, I have a hard time believing w!Jess is specifically pushing back against expanding the POE here.

i respect that it's a ~decent look for her yeah but i wouldn't put it past her specifically to try to pocket me that way either

but that is also a reason i feel good about porscha atm

[nutella]

that is, i think porscha's posts both about me and in general recently have been more skewed toward her town ranges than jess's are for her range/jess is very much not out of her wolfrange here lol

[GoSpursGo]

for posterity i actually think that the argument for pyxy being mafia is stronger than the argument for leetic being mafia but im just riding the wave

I agree.

I think gims and DM have looked at this harder than I have, so I'm gonna follow their lead here if they think pyxxy is not scum, and because it fits their theory. leetic could absolutely be scum independent of that. Like, this doesn't need to be a fight that I need to go after tooth and nail.

But, as I've said... I expect that if leetic flips town then pyxxy needs to be next. pyxxy gets exactly one misflip before we need to resolve that slot.

[nutella]

shit ive been sucked into posting reads and content again im ruining my cool aloof and apathetic image

[Duelist Mirage]

I'd look at dubz long before I'd look at nutella right now. It doesn't fit with what I know of w!dubz, but d1 nutella is basically never a wolf unless someone can demonstrate to me that she is a hard-busser.

This is the part where you focus a lot on wagon movements and not much on how people actually interact with the game at large, huh?

Yes And also because I am specifically the most reluctant busser in the entire world. I always lose as scum because I fail to bus early enough for cred and/or pair myself with packmates who go down before me. So I literally cannot fathom just murdering Nicole for no reason on d1 and then not even using the resultant cred to powerwolf the hell out of the thread. To me this reads as a towny who got a pelt and keeps seeing the town flip scum, so there's no reason to work too hard.

I guess my question to you is, why can't we just work on our current POE, and if we have a misflip or two we get to see if v!nutella reveals herself? Surely she would become readable in a threadstate where we would actually need her.

Then I submit that you do not understand the mindset of what nutella has described to be her wolf game

I do understand that mindset, it's a problem that I have struggled with myself. This is precisely the kind of situation where a wolf who plays like nutella says she does is going to end up bussing a lot. In fact, one of the only games where I have actually bussed was a game a couple of years ago where I replaced into a wolf slot and found that gims had gotten a towncore going and the whole team was in the POE. I had nowhere to go, and after getting accidentally turned into a slot that looked towny after one of my partners acted sus about flipping me, I strongly considered making a push on that partner as the deadline was coming up because I just didn't know where else to go. I got a few moments to check in on the game and a town player had started a wagon on that buddy so I popped on with a comment about how that was exactly what I had been thinking about doing!

And that game is why I adopted a "powerwolf or go home" mentality because trying to slog through the next month after bussing the buddy who was actually active while I was stuck in a neighborhood having to try to constantly put up a show of towniness to gims, knowing I was probably doomed all along, was MISERABLE

Anyway the point of that was that I think d1 bussing is way more common and effective than you do. It's often been said on MS that it's actually better for wolves for one of them to get flipped on d1, they win those games a LOT

[jess]

that is, i think porscha's posts both about me and in general recently have been more skewed toward her town ranges than jess's are for her range/jess is very much not out of her wolfrange here lol

i actually agree bcuz porscha is one of my most confident townreads today lol

[jess]

can someone give me a refresher on why drwilgy is town?

or to rephrase, do y'all still feel collectively confident that wilgy is town? my townread on him is still founded entirely on sheeping the thread consensus

could i get some thoughts on this btw

if i have one major blindspot in this game it is probably exactly drwilgy